PzH2k in Ukraine, Ukrainian Opinion

Why is the PzH2k their favorite weapon system to use instead of the MARS/HIMARS?
What is the difference in actual usage?
>inb4 they just say that because they want more and tell that to everybody
Germany sent a lot of different systems, including the MARS, but the PzH2k was singled out.
Shouldn't the higher range of something like the MARS make it more popular among the Ukranian general staff? Usually the very high cost of the ammo would be an issue, but they literally get it for free.

Source:

6:15, autotranslate subtitles.

  1. 1 week ago
    Anonymous
    • 1 week ago
      Anonymous

      Shouldn't fuckhuge missiles be able to do that too?

      • 1 week ago
        Anonymous

        way more expensive.

        • 1 week ago
          Anonymous

          Look at that ring, I just realized our panzerman is married.
          I hope he has a lot of panzerchildren.

          It's all free shit over there anyway.

          • 1 week ago
            Anonymous

            wrong hand buddy, stay single

            • 1 week ago
              Anonymous

              Germans wear their wedding ring on the right hand, travel more

              • 1 week ago
                Anonymous

                >Spends his time looking at men's rings
                Freak

      • 1 week ago
        Anonymous

        10 times more expensive and way less Ammo capacity for sustained fire.

        • 1 week ago
          Anonymous

          >10 times more expensive and way less Ammo capacity for sustained fire.
          Actually going by the price poles originally paid adjusted by inflation and the price the Yukes just paid for 100 of them + training, setting up infrastructure, ammo etc. and ignoring the latter it's about the same price.
          Meanwhile it has a way better autoloader, it's better protected, is more accurate with more range and can use better ammo.
          >inb4 hurr durr muh nato standardization
          Krabs aren't greenlit for vulcan ammo.

    • 1 week ago
      Anonymous

      Wow, a destroyed BMP? I am demoralised.

      • 1 week ago
        Anonymous

        You should be. Russia is getting curb-stomped by a country without nukes.

    • 1 week ago
      Anonymous

      what are we supposed to see in that pixel party?

    • 1 week ago
      Anonymous

      I don't get it. Why Russian videos are always a blurry mess, with overly frequent cuts and no follow-up footage? Why Ukies can do it but Russians don't?

      • 1 week ago
        Anonymous

        Just try and open your mind for 2 seconds. And then reread what you wrote and ask yourself if someone who's objective would say a similar thing. The answer is no, an objective observer wouldn't give a fuck. Youre literally a atomized propaganda aggregate serving people who want you dead.

        >vatmoron vidz all bad (even tho good ones exist)
        >ukrop vidz all good( even tho some fake shit exists)

        I hope ukrops and vatmorons create good war stories I can read and good men survive to help the respective nations. Any other position is A FALSEHOOD.

  2. 1 week ago
    Anonymous

    Even his hands are panzers

  3. 1 week ago
    Anonymous

    My guess is that it feel more impactful instantly. Hirmas might destroy the backbone and do more damage. But apparently they extremely fast counter batterie fire brings immediate relief in the area it's deployed in.

    • 1 week ago
      Anonymous

      >My guess is that it feel more impactful instantly. Hirmas might destroy the backbone and do more damage. But apparently they extremely fast counter batterie fire brings immediate relief in the area it's deployed in.
      this
      Also if you already have them, id wager they are more cost efficient just look at that one pzh2000 clip - 1 smart, 1 airburst and a few normal shells were enough

  4. 1 week ago
    Anonymous

    Himars used for strategic goals, artillery for tactical goals.

    • 1 week ago
      Anonymous

      This. HIMARS deletes ammo dumps, HQs, airfields, bridges, etc. But there aren't enough to use against frontline troops. that's where conventional artillery comes in, and a SPG that can fire a half-dozen rounds or more in less than a minute and then run away is a very useful platform.

  5. 1 week ago
    Anonymous

    >I'm President Zelensky and this is my favorite artillery system in the entire war

    • 1 week ago
      Anonymous

      GMLRS has been used against mostly strategic targets, with some reports of hitting tactical targets at the start of the offensive(s). PzH2000 will be all tactical.

      lmfao

    • 1 week ago
      Anonymous
    • 1 week ago
      Anonymous

      stunning endorse, I just bought 5

    • 1 week ago
      Anonymous

      Perfection.

    • 1 week ago
      Anonymous

      Witnessed.

    • 1 week ago
      Anonymous

      baste

    • 1 week ago
      Anonymous

      Based and Sheppilled.
      >tfw no asari gf

      • 1 week ago
        Anonymous

        >tfw no quarian gf

  6. 1 week ago
    Anonymous

    German systems get +10% damage and accuracy bonus against Russians which results in the highest possible DPS amongst all artillery pieces currently used by Ukraine

    • 1 week ago
      Anonymous

      >German systems get +10% damage and accuracy bonus against Russians which results in the highest possible DPS amongst all artillery pieces currently used by Ukraine
      >only few people did notice the PzH2000 turning towards Russian position even before they were given any coordinates

  7. 1 week ago
    Anonymous

    >Why is the PzH2k their favorite weapon

    According to who? The fucking Krauts?
    The Polish Krab has been given in 4-5x greater numbers and has proven less complicated and more reliable, and you can see them rolling around every critical front line that Ukraine is fighting.

    The 300 T-72M1s donated is also the most significant contribution of combat vehicles to date.

    Fuck the Germans.

    • 1 week ago
      Anonymous

      It's not a question of which has the most impact
      simply which they prefer to use

      • 1 week ago
        Anonymous

        >It's not a question of which has the most impact
        >simply which they prefer to use

        Yeah, they prefer the Krab (less finicky, more reliable, Poland right next door for repairs etc.)
        Wouldn't be surprised if the Polish even deployed their own technical staff to Ukraine to do repair on these, unlike the Krauts, who first need Putin's permission to perform repairs on any PzH 2000.

        • 1 week ago
          Anonymous

          >Yeah, they prefer the Krab
          They don't.
          >(less finicky, more reliable,
          Neither is true. The autoloader on the krab is actually less reliable and more finicky. Also just generally worse.
          >Poland right next door for repairs etc.)
          German repair depots are on the polish border.

          https://i.imgur.com/pBhpgSJ.jpg

          >Ukraine has ordered 100 more PzH2000s.

          Which they will receive in 3 years. Maybe 12 active currently if not already down for maintenance and shipped back.
          Poland gave Ukraine over 50 Krabs NOW, engaged at the most critical times and making a difference NOW. Not in 3 years.

          Again, I have to emphasize, FUCK THE KRAUTS.

          Anon asked which they bought, you buy things you want.

        • 1 week ago
          Anonymous

          Yes Krab was so good that our army decide to not buy more of them, and buy the K9 from Korea, PzH 2k advantage is that it is better armoured against counter battery fire, at the end of the day krab is just a upgraded AS90

    • 1 week ago
      Anonymous

      >According to who? The fucking Krauts?
      According to the Yukes themselves.
      >The Polish Krab has been given in 4-5x greater numbers
      I don't think the individual operators care. Pretty sure most guns they use are AKs, but that doesn't matter either.
      >and has proven less complicated and more reliable
      That is not the case.
      >Fuck the Germans.
      How the hell do poles have such massive inferiority complexes?

    • 1 week ago
      Anonymous

      Cope.
      It's a superior weapon system and going by the price the ukranians paid for their 100 and the poles paid for their krab batch back in the day adjusted to inflation they have about the same price.

    • 1 week ago
      Anonymous

      Ukraine has ordered 100 more PzH2000s. How many crabs did they buy so far?

      • 1 week ago
        Anonymous

        54

        • 1 week ago
          Anonymous

          Buy. Not get gifted, buy for money.

          • 1 week ago
            Anonymous

            >Purchased?

      • 1 week ago
        Anonymous

        >Ukraine has ordered 100 more PzH2000s.

        Which they will receive in 3 years. Maybe 12 active currently if not already down for maintenance and shipped back.
        Poland gave Ukraine over 50 Krabs NOW, engaged at the most critical times and making a difference NOW. Not in 3 years.

        Again, I have to emphasize, FUCK THE KRAUTS.

        • 1 week ago
          Anonymous

          That's nice. The Ukies still like the PzH2ks better. Deal with it. And now get back to cleaning those toilets, the krauts aren't paying you for shitposting on PrepHole.

          • 1 week ago
            Anonymous

            >The Ukies still like the PzH2ks better.

            t. trust me bro.

            • 1 week ago
              Anonymous

              Source in the OP.
              Plus them literally ordering 100.

              • 1 week ago
                Anonymous

                >Source: a German officer on the payroll of KMW

                Sounds legit.

        • 1 week ago
          Anonymous

          That has nothing to do with anything. The thread is about how Ukraine prefers the PzH2000 and you were sperging out about that.
          The fact that Ukraine would rather have 100 expensive PzH2000 for their post war army and didn't order any Krabs speaks for itself

          • 1 week ago
            Anonymous

            Wrong. Ukraine purchased 3 divisions worth of Krabs to be delivered in a few months, over 50 in addition to the 18 that were given in-kind:

            https://defence24.pl/przemysl/polska-sprzedala-kraby-ukrainie-rekordowy-kontrakt

        • 1 week ago
          Anonymous

          Buy. Not get gifted, buy for money.

          Trying too hard.

        • 1 week ago
          Anonymous

          >Which they will receive in 3 years. Maybe 12 active currently if not already down for maintenance and shipped back.
          You refer to that item about PzH2000 experiencing faster barrel wear than expected, because Ukrainians been using them much more intensly than expected. However shots fired in relation to barrel wear was all within expected parameters. Its a modern western rapid fire high accuracy artillery system, offcourse it needs maintenance so it can continue being a rapid fire high accuracy artillery systems; its not a 2S1 Gvozdika which need 20 units firing in tandem while praying 1 will hit the target instead of a kindergarten.

        • 1 week ago
          Anonymous

          >If I have more of a thing I also like it more
          Calm down lad, you'll get to German quality levels eventually.

        • 1 week ago
          Anonymous

          Poland has done a lot more for Ukraine overall than Germany in the last six months. That doesn't change the fact that the PzH2000 is a better gun for the current situation than the Krab.

    • 1 week ago
      Anonymous

      >According to who?
      The yooks.

      • 1 week ago
        Anonymous

        >ACUUTALLY LE KRAB IS BETTER
        >Ukies buy 100 PzH2000 Instead of Krab
        damn what did they mean by this

    • 1 week ago
      Anonymous

      Please stop. It's embarrassing and makes you look like seething 14yo

      • 1 week ago
        Anonymous

        Nope. Schwabian lies and posturing do not deceive anyone.

        • 1 week ago
          Anonymous

          You're Ostdeutsche, aren't You? Or that Polack - Kraut mischling shitposting 24/7

          • 1 week ago
            Anonymous

            Literally just a garden variety polish tourist on PrepHole, anon. You should be able to recognize them by now.

          • 1 week ago
            Anonymous

            Literally just a garden variety polish tourist on PrepHole, anon. You should be able to recognize them by now.

            i bet he's not even polish, his talking points are too vatnik

            • 1 week ago
              Anonymous

              This

            • 1 week ago
              Anonymous

              This guy gets it, he probaly just wants to start shit between germany and poland.

            • 1 week ago
              Anonymous

              This

              This guy gets it, he probaly just wants to start shit between germany and poland.

              I used to think so too, but when there was a polish general and most posts were in polish (jannies asleep for 4 days) they showed the exact same behaviour and it didn't sound like google translate.

              Poles and germs have an ancient blood feud so strong it resembles autism.

              Germans barely care about us, no matter how hard PiStards try to meme it.

              • 1 week ago
                Anonymous

                >I used to think so too, but when there was a polish general and most posts were in polish (jannies asleep for 4 days) they showed the exact same behaviour and it didn't sound like google translate.
                Check pic rel - a shill who forgot to swich his vpn and deleted it when others noticed it
                I don't deny that there some delusional PiS tards and le ebin edgy kids but i don't think they'd repeat Russia Today verbatim

              • 1 week ago
                Anonymous

                I'm sure D&C shills exist, but I'm also sure the majority of these posters are jsut retarded PiS voters

    • 1 week ago
      Anonymous

      Why are p*les so angry most of the time?

      • 1 week ago
        Anonymous

        They're angry drunks and they're drunk most of the time

    • 1 week ago
      Anonymous

      Cringe

    • 1 week ago
      Anonymous

      Do they really?

    • 1 week ago
      Anonymous

      now you just look salty
      t. pole without complexes

    • 1 week ago
      Anonymous

      we are on the same side, retard. if you want to work for putin, go shoveling shit in königsberg.

  8. 1 week ago
    Anonymous

    Why don't they add Dauerwerbesendung to the clip?

  9. 1 week ago
    Anonymous

    You can see the hunger for war in the german.

  10. 1 week ago
    Anonymous

    Well the special forces commander Roman Kostenko says the HIMARS had a mediocre impact.

    ?t=499
    Considering that the Ukranians ate 60,000 grenades pr. day at one point I can understand how they took a liking to Western tube artillery that actually shuts up the Russian artillery instead of sporadically blowing up ammo dumps here and there.

    Judging from the reaction of the Ukranians it seems like HIMARS, while being significant, is a bit overhyped by Western MSM and Sóyboys.

    • 1 week ago
      Anonymous

      >is a bit overhyped by Western MSM and Sóyboys
      Well it has a cool name makes big explosions and most importantly is American.

    • 1 week ago
      Anonymous

      Why are Western "journalists" such onions-guzzling homosexuals?

  11. 1 week ago
    Anonymous

    I feel like instead of hard technical facts sometimes there may be soft factors which make systems preferred. Like how easy they are to use... or even how comfortable the seats are.

    Like if you have a spine killing seat and sit in it for 10 hours and THEN have to engage in combat the combat capability of the vehicle WILL be negatively affected. You will also have to rotate the crew out more often as they have to rest their spines. But in comfortable seats they can work for a long time.
    There are probably other soft factors like that such as noise.

  12. 1 week ago
    Anonymous

    The famous vatnik face meme was brought to you by the PzH 2000 also

    • 1 week ago
      Anonymous

      Yeah, nah, cunt.

      Post your gas bill this month Kraut.

      • 1 week ago
        Anonymous

        I don't use gas. Never have. Only about 20% of households do.

        • 1 week ago
          Anonymous

          Yeah, nah, cunt.

          Post your gas bill this month Kraut.

          I actually do use gas but my provider filled its tanks early on so I've got a price guarantee of it staying the same until the middle of next year.
          Goes for 98% of gas users in Duisburg according to their website.

          • 1 week ago
            Anonymous

            >Duisburg
            I'm sorry anon.

      • 1 week ago
        Anonymous

        I got an actual raise on my gas bill. It's 29€ more per month. This gas shit is one of the most overhyped nothingburgers in history.

        • 1 week ago
          Anonymous

          are you sure about that anon
          https://www.ndr.de/ratgeber/verbraucher/Gaspreis-aktuell-So-viel-kostet-die-Kilowattstunde,gaspreis142.html

    • 1 week ago
      Anonymous

      I missed when this was spread. Can you link the video/context?

      • 1 week ago
        Anonymous
        • 1 week ago
          Anonymous

          Fucking nice shot. Thanks anon.

          • 1 week ago
            Anonymous

            How have you not seen this yet?
            Did Reddit servers crash for you?

            • 1 week ago
              Anonymous

              No, just been busy with work and social obligations.

  13. 1 week ago
    Anonymous

    HIMARS are also quite effectively countered by S-400 when Ivan has not piss drunk fallen asleep.

  14. 1 week ago
    Anonymous

    >people still falling for gay vatmoron d&q
    every thread

    • 1 week ago
      Anonymous

      anon were you in the TF2 thread?

      • 1 week ago
        Anonymous

        what tf2 thread

    • 1 week ago
      Anonymous

      >idiot with /v/ macro doesn't know what he's talking about
      Every second of every day.

  15. 1 week ago
    Anonymous

    >MARS
    Nobody is talking about the MLRS much, I think the implication is that it's a strategic weapon and they're keeping its use hush hush

    note however that Putin keeps moaning about the MLRS and HIMARS, not the Pzh2k

  16. 1 week ago
    Anonymous

    I heard that the software for requesting artillery fire that the Ukrainians use, is running directly on the pzh2000 computer. If that’s true It would be a huge advantage.

  17. 1 week ago
    Anonymous

    >That one angry Pole who shits up every thread about g*erman or other euro military
    Time to seek help and/or touch grass fren

    • 1 week ago
      Anonymous

      Poles and germs have an ancient blood feud so strong it resembles autism.

      • 1 week ago
        Anonymous

        Blood feud in the sense that Poles will start screeching about Germans every chance they get and Germans just making car theft jokes every now and then but generally not caring about Poland at all

        • 1 week ago
          Anonymous

          We actually like Polish people. Everyone who´s ever worked in a trade job has probably had a polish collegue who´s really good at his job. Tbh, I think the biggest redpill is that polish and german people are awfully similar in terms of ethics and culture.

          • 1 week ago
            Anonymous

            Can cönfirm

            • 1 week ago
              Anonymous

              The entire obsession is pretty one-sided.
              I hope at least Russians care about them.

          • 1 week ago
            Anonymous

            >in a trade job has probably had a polish collegue who´s really good at his job.
            Not only in trade nowadays.

        • 1 week ago
          Anonymous

          >Germans just making car theft jokes every now and then but generally not caring about Poland at all

          Yeah no you gays are also screeching in Poland threads. Especially the ones where Korean shit is being talked about

          • 1 week ago
            Anonymous

            you mean like the last one?
            Where the retard started it with the sole purpose of shitflinging, trying to provoke as many people as possible?
            I don't think that dumbass wasn't polish either

          • 1 week ago
            Anonymous

            Don't conflate PrepHole autists with normal people. Autists here will start studying Malaysian history just to win an argument about the Malay military

            • 1 week ago
              Anonymous

              Fair enough, anon.

          • 1 week ago
            Anonymous

            You are quite possibly the neighbor we care the least about, even Belgium is more relevant to the current German Zeitgeist. Your terminally online bubble has broken your mind.

            Watch the krautroach scurry away now he has been confronted with the truth about the unreliable PzH2k despite what the skinny man with a dress up uniform said and also to add insult to injury they have realised they aren't in the top 3 donators at all and 50% of what they did donate was pure shit.

            Lol moron

            • 1 week ago
              Anonymous

              >You are quite possibly the neighbor we care the least about

              And you will bear the consequences for that 🙂

              >Just recently you made Slovenia terminate their BOXER deal with you since you tried to fuck them over.
              Tonin, the former defence minister who signed the agreement, called the termination “exceptionally damaging” and driven by nothing but “stubborn political opposition to the previous government.”
              an end to the deal was one of the promises the Golob government made when it took office in June.

              Why does the shill always lie?

              Where is the lie, my ally that lacks reading comprehension? 🙂

              • 1 week ago
                Anonymous

                >starts cracking smiles
                What consequences could these be I wonder.
                You will forever live in our shadow, the German peoples only acknowledging the existence of your country briefly when they hear two cleaning ladies speak Polish.

              • 1 week ago
                Anonymous

                I start cracking smiles because either you are a troll or a fool and therefore dont need to write paragraphs to counter arguments since well...see start of my sentence (:

              • 1 week ago
                Anonymous

                Ok? Tell me when your median wage exceeds our NEETbuxs

              • 1 week ago
                Anonymous

                Will 5k€ per month suffice in my managerial position?

              • 1 week ago
                Anonymous

                Dream on

              • 1 week ago
                Anonymous

                I thought so 🙂 And this is a low salary for my position currently btw.

              • 1 week ago
                Anonymous

                Evidently you are doing a terrible job

              • 1 week ago
                Anonymous

                >I make a lot of money
                >also I suck so hard that they pay me as little as possible in my profession
                lol

              • 1 week ago
                Anonymous

                Evidently you are doing a terrible job

                >scraping this hard for attacks

                Youch!

        • 1 week ago
          Anonymous

          It's all banter these days.
          We have a lot of overlap historically and ethnically with Germans, I look up to them and wish we were more like Germany (minus the weird fetish stuff and scat and homosex).

  18. 1 week ago
    Anonymous

    The Panzerhaubitze 2000 is regarded as one of the best, if not the best 155mm System. Not suprising the ukrainians like it. It has a firing mode that fires projectiles at diferent angles impacting the same spot at the same time to make the number of artillery pieces seem bigger. Pretty cool to scare russians.

  19. 1 week ago
    Anonymous

    >Confirmed to my in Kiev
    Sure thing bro lol just like the Gepard was the wunderwaffen that liberated 6000km2

    • 1 week ago
      Anonymous

      >just like the Gepard was the wunderwaffen that liberated 6000km2
      correct

      • 1 week ago
        Anonymous

        >No confirmed kills
        >No footage in-theatre, except for one where it hits a tree with its radar

        THE KRAUT
        HE AVOIDS WAR
        HE DOES BUSINESS WITH MONGOL

        • 1 week ago
          Anonymous

          wrong

        • 1 week ago
          Anonymous

          >Ukies arent filming their valuable Western Equipment 24/7
          >this must mean they aren't actually doing anything
          retard

          • 1 week ago
            Anonymous

            >Gepard
            >Valuable

            Yeah, in 1975.
            You realize why it was withdrawn from service along with all vehicles like it? It's nothing but drone bait.

            • 1 week ago
              Anonymous

              >Yeah, in 1975.
              Unironically more valuable than 10 of their regular tanks.

            • 1 week ago
              Anonymous

              Absolutely retardet opinion that can only exist because you have no idea what you are talking about retard. All the Gepards sent to Ukraine were modernized in 2000. The reason why Gepards were put out of service was budget cuts of the Bundeswehr in the following years.

              • 1 week ago
                Anonymous

                >Modernised in 2000
                >22 fucking years ago
                >Stood doing fuck all in the wunderwarehouse that is German military maintainance
                Your kidding right? Germany is the fucking WORST country for keeping equipment in working order. Shame on you.

              • 1 week ago
                Anonymous

                >22 fucking years ago
                How many Wunderwaffen anyone has donated to Ukraine are meaningfully younger than that though

              • 1 week ago
                Anonymous

                Holy shit you are coping so hard. Of course the Gepard that needed maintainance got it before being to Ukraine you fucking monkey

              • 1 week ago
                Anonymous

                I don’t know why people are so retarded regarding it, the Gepard carries stingers.

              • 1 week ago
                Anonymous

                It doesn't, Stingers on Gepards were tested but then the budget cuts happened and the entire project was closed. Image is a prototype with stingers

              • 1 week ago
                Anonymous

                >imagining intensifies

              • 1 week ago
                Anonymous

                >Ukranians single out Gepard as particularly useful
                >ukranians think the PzH2k is their favourite weapon system
                >butthurt shills think both are worthless
                I guess they know better than the yukes what the yukes like

              • 1 week ago
                Anonymous

                Its Polaks and Vatniks blindly seething

          • 1 week ago
            Anonymous

            Bro are you retarded EVERYTHING is filmed, NLAWs point blank, HIMARs in the rear, AA systems going off left right and centre.
            The Gepard is a huge fucking meme brother don't be such a retard thinking everyone's a pole or a bong it's kinda what a schizophrenic would do.

            • 1 week ago
              Anonymous

              >Everything is filmed
              Show me more than one video of a Ukrainian s-400 system visibly firing (not filmed 3km away from the launcher)

              • 1 week ago
                Anonymous

                Ukraine doesn't operate the S400 you stupid cunt

              • 1 week ago
                Anonymous

                What about the s400 systems that got donated you retard?

              • 1 week ago
                Anonymous

                >What about the S400 that was donated
                It wasn't you stupid cunt

              • 1 week ago
                Anonymous

                What about the s400 systems that got donated you retard?

                Kek, who is this idiot? Typical Gepard fan boys, completely deluded.

        • 1 week ago
          Anonymous

          Lmao u dumb cunt. At least you can fanboy over a tank general that's never been seen combat or a training exercise with more than 3 tanks. Sad.

          lmao the seethe over a one word response. Very efficient

          • 1 week ago
            Anonymous

            When was the last time Germany used a Leopard 2 in a combat zone

            • 1 week ago
              Anonymous

              The fuck do I care

              • 1 week ago
                Anonymous

                What's the point of this skeletonised stroke victim if they have never used a tank?

                >polish soldier who uses Krab instead of pzh2k says krabs are better than soviet artillery
                Impressive. The German howitzer is still better and more popular though.
                #undefeated

                Can you provide proof of this or did it come to you in a dream?

              • 1 week ago
                Anonymous

                What's the point of you seething over nothing

              • 1 week ago
                Anonymous

                >B-but your seething
                Fuck no lol I'm laughing like fuck at this unexperienced loser and all his fan boys. A French AMX30 driver from 1991 has more of a clue that that idiot by default.

                In the OP.
                Also 100 German howitzers bought.
                Did they buy 100 krabs?
                No?
                Maybe because the autoloader sucks?
                Maybe because it isn't reliable?
                Or maybe because it is actually just a semiautoloader?
                Or maybe because the krab has worse performance?
                Maybe it's none of those things.
                But I don't care, I'm still gonna laugh at you.

                Idc if you OP do you have proof of them saying the PzH2k is better than everything else, don't get your knickers in a twist m8 it's only a question and no I will not accept turbo jaw's promise that the Ukies said it was zie best!

              • 1 week ago
                Anonymous

                What the fuck are you even talking about? He said that he got told by some Ukrainians that they liked the PzH2000 the best. What's the problem with that

              • 1 week ago
                Anonymous

                Eternal polish asshurt causing endless seethe about anything German
                Most of polish politics is just going on about Germans being the devil and that they should pay ten gorillion in reparations

              • 1 week ago
                Anonymous

                There might be no Ukrainian that used both the Krab and the PzH2000 since they're deployed in different battallions.

              • 1 week ago
                Anonymous

                He talked to the upper echelons of the army and officers, some of them have probably commanded both already but I guess they mostly just told him troop feedback mixed with what they've experienced while commanding their men.

              • 1 week ago
                Anonymous

                He got told by people in the ministry of defense not by on the ground operators but whatever. I'm sorry I by proxy insinuated your nice little crab is a worse weapon. Didn't mean to hurt your feelings friend

              • 1 week ago
                Anonymous

                Oh so you don't think their could be a chance they perhaps just told him it was good to get more stuff for free? What a gullible cunt you are.

              • 1 week ago
                Anonymous

                No proof then just the word of a retard with zero experience of modern warfare then? Gotcha

                Eternal polish asshurt causing endless seethe about anything German
                Most of polish politics is just going on about Germans being the devil and that they should pay ten gorillion in reparations

                >Its da Poles!!!
                Fuck no lol

                >do you have proof of them saying the PzH2k is better than everything else
                Nobody with any idea on the subject ever doubted that lmao

                So no then? We know it's barrel fucks up alot and the spares take a long time which makes it pretty shit if it can't fire.

                Just seem like alot of nationalistic Germans desperately hoping for a win at last after such a catastrophic embarresment on the world stage.

                Take this

                >Everything is filmed
                Show me more than one video of a Ukrainian s-400 system visibly firing (not filmed 3km away from the launcher)

                guy as a prime example.

              • 1 week ago
                Anonymous

                >So no then?
                What? It's still in the thread.
                >We know it's barrel fucks up alot
                No it doesn't, if you'd have any experience with guns you'd know all barrels wear out if used too much and they have better barrels than krabs depending on the version.
                Since Rheinmetall made the early ones iirc and then they got a cheap copy, which is worse.
                >and the spares take a long time
                Source?
                >ust seem like alot of nationalistic [Poles] desperately hoping for a win at last after such a catastrophic embarresment on the world stage.
                Polish history in a nutshell

              • 1 week ago
                Anonymous

                Proof other than the head of Germans scrap yards personal conversation with himself?
                >barrel and spares
                Familiarise yourself with the topic before posting idiocy
                >Der Spiegel reported on July 29 that Panzerhaubitze 2000 self propelled artillery guns, widely touted by Western sources as the most capable in the world, were showing significant signs of “wear and tear” after just a month in service - with the guns only having been delivered and the end of June. This has resulted in guns breaking down, forcing Ukraine to rely more on its artillery acquired from other sources.
                >A further issue with the Panzerhaubitze 2000 has been its poor compatibility with ammunition from other NATO member states despite a strong emphasis in the alliance on interoperability.
                It's just not very good
                https://militarywatchmagazine.com/article/german-weapons-poor-failing-ukraine-turkey
                >The vaunted German quality did not stand the test in real combat conditions, as a result, two-thirds of the Panzerhaubitze 2000 simply broke down "due to intensive use." The spare parts that come with the guns, according to the German politician, "are not always suitable for routine repairs." In addition, many howitzers are so damaged that they require major repairs, which can only be done in a special workshop
                >Poland again
                Why so obsessed with the toilet cleaners? Is it because they are making fools out of you in Ukraine? Or because they ditched the Leo 2 further orders for K2s? Or because they are spending a fuck ton more than you on Defence in future and your hyped up €100bn injection has fallen flat?

              • 1 week ago
                Anonymous

                >Proof other than the head of Germans scrap yards personal conversation with himself?
                Their purchase :^)
                >Familiarise yourself with the topic before posting idiocy
                Why don't you ever do that yourself?
                They needed maintenance after being over-used, they didn't break down, that's fake news or a wrong translation, whatever you prefer, they sent warning messages about requiring maintenance.
                That's all.
                Did you just lie or actually believe your own bullshit?
                >It's just not very good
                It is the best.
                > two-thirds of the Panzerhaubitze 2000 simply broke down "due to intensive use."
                Fake news.
                0 broke down.
                Breaking down and needing maintenance after a month of over-use, which is normal, are not the same thing.
                >Why so obsessed with the toilet cleaners?
                Don't pretend you aren't the same guy from before now lmao

                Here's news for you:
                The reason the German howitzers were overused is because Ukranians prefer them to polish garbage.

              • 1 week ago
                Anonymous

                >Purchase of Pzh2k
                You mean the money you gave to them that they can only spend with German companies?
                >It's fake news
                Cry me a river you soft twat. Its all over google how they are breaking read the title of the article you sperg. They break way before they are supposed too because the quality isn't very good.
                I'm sorry you feel bad about this.
                >Best
                When it works, it's no good having a system that works 5/10 times you used it when another system works 10/10 times. Sounds unreliable to me and also the source I posted and the other sources available.
                >Breaking down
                Needing maintainance, yeh maintenance Germany didn't send the parts for you fucking idiot. As stated earlier which you decided to ignore.
                >The spare parts that come with the guns, according to the German politician, "are not always suitable for routine repairs." In addition, many howitzers are so damaged that they require major repairs, which can only be done in a special workshop
                >Everyone on PrepHole is the same
                Schizo, why does Poland trigger you so much lol

              • 1 week ago
                Anonymous

                I guess you are actually retarded and not just pretending

              • 1 week ago
                Anonymous

                >Time will be our judge and when the dust settled we will see who is on top
                That one always worked well for slavoids lmao
                [...]
                tldnr you didn't know what you were talking about or lied, glad we cleared that up

                >See source
                >Don't like it
                >You are liar!
                Why are they like this?

              • 1 week ago
                Anonymous

                >"source" doesn't even get basic info or lingo right and is based on a mistranslation
                lel

              • 1 week ago
                Anonymous

                >do you have proof of them saying the PzH2k is better than everything else
                Nobody with any idea on the subject ever doubted that lmao

              • 1 week ago
                Anonymous

                In the OP.
                Also 100 German howitzers bought.
                Did they buy 100 krabs?
                No?
                Maybe because the autoloader sucks?
                Maybe because it isn't reliable?
                Or maybe because it is actually just a semiautoloader?
                Or maybe because the krab has worse performance?
                Maybe it's none of those things.
                But I don't care, I'm still gonna laugh at you.

              • 1 week ago
                Anonymous

                >Also 100 German howitzers bought.
                >Did they buy 100 krabs?
                >No?

                They didn't buy it because Polish factories already work at 100%, trying to complete orders for Ukraine and meet theor own needs and can't make 100 Krabs in a month. That 57 Krabs they are buying are comming from ones in warehouses and ones that will be finished assembling. Germany however had a lot of their artillery just laying around in storage and unused.

                I doubt that Ukies would buy anything from Germans if they had to wait a year to get only a dozen of brand new and fresh howitzer. They needed something relatively useful and ready for deployment ASAP. If poles had hundreds of artillery hardware laying around Ukies would gladly guy all of them.

                Basically your argument is that Ukies buy German artillery because they like them. While in reality this was matter of availability.

              • 1 week ago
                Anonymous

                >can't make 100 Krabs in a month
                Neither can Germany. Those 100 PzH2000s will be delivered in batches over the course of years not months.

      • 1 week ago
        Anonymous

        Lmao u dumb cunt. At least you can fanboy over a tank general that's never been seen combat or a training exercise with more than 3 tanks. Sad.

  20. 1 week ago
    Anonymous

    >Shouldn't the higher range of something like the MARS make it more popular among the Ukranian general staff?
    General staff aside shit like counter battery fire makes it instantly popular among soldiers kinda like barely anyone gave a shit about long range bomber pilots but a fighter pilot thet chases away enemy planes harrassing your grunts becomes a instant celebrity

  21. 1 week ago
    Anonymous

    poles on suicide watch

  22. 1 week ago
    Anonymous

    NGL was hoping for Nana Ehlers.

  23. 1 week ago
    Anonymous

    The time is 4:15.

  24. 1 week ago
    Anonymous

    10.23 indeed.

  25. 1 week ago
    Anonymous

    I love it when he busts out the markers and start drawing graphs. I doubt any German has loved the business of war this much since Rommel.

  26. 1 week ago
    Anonymous

    >german general anounced the ukrainian politician said...
    Let's watch what Ukrainian soldiers say.

    • 1 week ago
      Anonymous

      >polish soldier who uses Krab instead of pzh2k says krabs are better than soviet artillery
      Impressive. The German howitzer is still better and more popular though.
      #undefeated

    • 1 week ago
      Anonymous

      Kraut response: 404

      • 1 week ago
        Anonymous

        Radio Free Europe has the same videos about the Pzh2K, retard. Unless they give a direct comparison between them instead of Soviet stuff there is nothing to say except for OP. Poland may as well ask too what they like the most.

  27. 1 week ago
    Anonymous

    >15:50
    >Ukrainian armed forces need amphibians
    based af

  28. 1 week ago
    Anonymous

    Probably quicker response time to fire support requests and counter battery.

  29. 1 week ago
    Anonymous

    >Be Germany
    >don't give weapons
    >have Scholz say your weapons are decisive
    >have others paid to say your weapons are great
    >meanwhile in reality...
    >Ukraine’s ambassador to Germany Andrij Melnyk offered his own frank assessment in response: “Unpopular opinion: Fuck off.”

    • 1 week ago
      Anonymous

      >>don't give weapons
      Only the UK and the US gave more.
      >Ukraine’s ambassador
      *ex
      He lost his job.

      • 1 week ago
        Anonymous

        Of course he did. He told them to fuck off lmao.

        • 1 week ago
          Anonymous

          >third most valuable gibs giver
          >tell them to fuck off because you either fall for your own retarded propaganda of pretending Germany doesn't send anything or you're so fucking tone-deaf you can't tell when you overdo it
          He wasn't doing his country any favors by being a retard in Germany.

      • 1 week ago
        Anonymous

        >US UK
        Yeh Poland is infront also and the quality of what Germany sent isn't very good, their are high ticket items on the whole list but the majority of it is just shit like adblue and crap stuff but it inflates the total donation and makes Germany look better than it is, when in reality CZ gave much more important stuff.

        >third most valuable gibs giver
        >tell them to fuck off because you either fall for your own retarded propaganda of pretending Germany doesn't send anything or you're so fucking tone-deaf you can't tell when you overdo it
        He wasn't doing his country any favors by being a retard in Germany.

        4th

        • 1 week ago
          Anonymous

          >Yeh Poland is infront also
          Nope, you're far behind.
          >the quality of what Germany sent isn't very good
          lel, cope
          >but the majority of it is just shit like adblue and crap stuff
          Nope.
          >when in reality CZ gave much more important stuff.
          First of all, small shit is necessary as well.
          Second of all, there's plenty of other things.
          >4th
          Third.
          Stay mad about it.

          • 1 week ago
            Anonymous

            >cope cope cope; the post

            Its okay, Hans. Time will be our judge and when the dust settled we will see who is on top. And please stop pretending to be all cool with Poland you backstabbing basedcucks. Just recently you made Slovenia terminate their BOXER deal with you since you tried to fuck them over.
            https://www.defensemirror.com/news/32736/Slovenia_to_Terminate____281M_Boxer_APC_Deal#.YyTM7T-bGdM

            • 1 week ago
              Anonymous

              >Time will be our judge and when the dust settled we will see who is on top
              That one always worked well for slavoids lmao

              >Purchase of Pzh2k
              You mean the money you gave to them that they can only spend with German companies?
              >It's fake news
              Cry me a river you soft twat. Its all over google how they are breaking read the title of the article you sperg. They break way before they are supposed too because the quality isn't very good.
              I'm sorry you feel bad about this.
              >Best
              When it works, it's no good having a system that works 5/10 times you used it when another system works 10/10 times. Sounds unreliable to me and also the source I posted and the other sources available.
              >Breaking down
              Needing maintainance, yeh maintenance Germany didn't send the parts for you fucking idiot. As stated earlier which you decided to ignore.
              >The spare parts that come with the guns, according to the German politician, "are not always suitable for routine repairs." In addition, many howitzers are so damaged that they require major repairs, which can only be done in a special workshop
              >Everyone on PrepHole is the same
              Schizo, why does Poland trigger you so much lol

              tldnr you didn't know what you were talking about or lied, glad we cleared that up

              • 1 week ago
                Anonymous

                >absolutely zero coherent counterargumentation in his post

                Shame!

            • 1 week ago
              Anonymous

              >Matej Tonin, the former defence minister who signed the agreement, called the termination “exceptionally damaging” and driven by nothing but “stubborn political opposition to the previous government.”

              >Putting an end to the deal was one of the promises the Golob government made when it took office in June.
              Kek

              • 1 week ago
                Anonymous

                lmao how little has to be happening in your country that people start campaigning around the procurement of some APCs

              • 1 week ago
                Anonymous

                Gotta say they are living the dream if the gov literally is contrarian just the spite the former gov. This is some own the libs tier stuff.

            • 1 week ago
              Anonymous

              >Just recently you made Slovenia terminate their BOXER deal with you since you tried to fuck them over.
              Tonin, the former defence minister who signed the agreement, called the termination “exceptionally damaging” and driven by nothing but “stubborn political opposition to the previous government.”
              an end to the deal was one of the promises the Golob government made when it took office in June.

              Why does the shill always lie?

          • 1 week ago
            Anonymous

            >Your far behind
            Personally im way infront of both you you combined, but as you will be upset to see Poland is infront of you lol
            >10 tons of Adblue
            What's the value of that? Because its included in your overall donation and it's pure garbage a waste of logistics. There is lots of examples on Germanys list.
            >4th
            Lmao how embarresing for you pls see picrel, Germans truly are so fucking stupid I bet you are this clown

            What about the s400 systems that got donated you retard?

            • 1 week ago
              Anonymous

              >august
              Nice try, anon.

              >absolutely zero coherent counterargumentation in his post

              Shame!

              >"plsplpplsplsspls give me attention"
              Have a (You)

              • 1 week ago
                Anonymous

                >Now I am the (You) farmer, not him

                Weak projection. Last (You)

              • 1 week ago
                Anonymous

                >August
                >Last month
                The cope on this cunt, care to correct me with September's or do you just want to hide from the truth fucking Poland is more capable than you lmao

              • 1 week ago
                Anonymous

                Cant be living in reality and in a uncle Adolf dream
                world at the same time. Fuhrer would be turborotating in his grave if he'd know about the current broomstick armies jej

              • 1 week ago
                Anonymous

                Watch the krautroach scurry away now he has been confronted with the truth about the unreliable PzH2k despite what the skinny man with a dress up uniform said and also to add insult to injury they have realised they aren't in the top 3 donators at all and 50% of what they did donate was pure shit.

              • 1 week ago
                Anonymous

                PzH2k is highly reliable and being able to overuse a heavy vehicle like that for an entire month while only needing some maintenance is actually impressive.
                Germany sent the third most military equipment.
                What Germany sent is both very useful, necessary and some of the best shit around.
                The 5 MARS launchers always get overlooked for some reason.

              • 1 week ago
                Anonymous

                >50% of what they did donate was pure shit.
                Based on what? A small part of it being Adblue which you've been shittalking in half a dozen posts because you literally can't afford a card?
                Post guns on engine block, tourist.

              • 1 week ago
                Anonymous

                It's shit because it's not polish

              • 1 week ago
                Anonymous

                I'm sure there's a polish Adblue brand.

                >You are quite possibly the neighbor we care the least about

                And you will bear the consequences for that 🙂

                [...]
                Where is the lie, my ally that lacks reading comprehension? 🙂

                >Where is the lie, my ally that lacks reading comprehension? 🙂
                In every single one of your posts, actually.

              • 1 week ago
                Anonymous

                >they aren't in the top 3 donators
                Remove all the shit other nations have given because they got free shit from Germany for that. Everyone can see you venting like a chud, but you aren't pretty strong when it comes to actual arguments.

              • 1 week ago
                Anonymous

                Have you ever thought about that the reason why Germany hasn't taken the lead in weapon deliveries might be that they just don't care that much? That they're just not that invested in Ukraine winning?
                In which case all your yelling and arguing and seething doesn't really achieve anything because you know they don't really care. All you ship out is shit!!! Ok? So what? I didn't pressure my Bundestag person hard enough so now more Ukies have to die. Oh well

                >Stage 5: Acceptance
                >That's entirely expected. You've had a major change in your life, and that upends the way you feel about many things. Look to acceptance as a way to see that there may be more good days than bad. There may still be bad

              • 1 week ago
                Anonymous

                >There may still be bad
                Obviously, they are German kek

              • 1 week ago
                Anonymous

                >angloid still this mad about the fact he betrayed the white race twice and lost his empire for it
                kek

            • 1 week ago
              Anonymous

              >What's the value of that?
              Diesel exhaust fluid?
              Anon, do you own a car?
              And why do you keep pretending that's the only thing on the list with 100k grenades, millions of rounds of ammo and all kinds of radar systems, 24k man portable anti tank weapons and much more?
              Here's the list, enjoy.
              https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_foreign_aid_to_Ukraine_during_the_Russo-Ukrainian_War#The_German_Government_announced_that_it_will_send_Ukraine_the_following

              • 1 week ago
                Anonymous

                >Adblue in Ukraine
                >thinking Ukraine the poorest country in Europe needs Adblue for fucking Ladas and military kit donated out of everyone's mothballed stock
                Cope hard you simpleton they aren't driving around in Golf GTDs

              • 1 week ago
                Anonymous

                It's used for all kind of vehicles.

                Yeh it is so it inflates the overall donation making Germany look more usefull than it is which then spurs these autismo krauts on 4chins on and gives them false hope they are more relevant than Czechia lol

                What the fuck are you talking about?
                It's necessary to run a fleet of motorized vehicles.

                >August
                >Last month
                The cope on this cunt, care to correct me with September's or do you just want to hide from the truth fucking Poland is more capable than you lmao

                >Modernised in 2000
                >22 fucking years ago
                >Stood doing fuck all in the wunderwarehouse that is German military maintainance
                Your kidding right? Germany is the fucking WORST country for keeping equipment in working order. Shame on you.

                Cant be living in reality and in a uncle Adolf dream
                world at the same time. Fuhrer would be turborotating in his grave if he'd know about the current broomstick armies jej

                Man I really hope this is a samefag because the thought that multiple people are seething this much about shit they don't understand would be rather depressing.

              • 1 week ago
                Anonymous

                >Adblue
                Multiple vehicles, shut the fuck up its Ukraine you think gay emissions laws matter there and they don't just flash the ecu and delete the need for it entirely? This is how broken you are by regulations you up tight freak.
                >Fleet of modern vehicles
                Bmp1/2, T series tanks, Mtlbs, military vehicles from the UK/Poland/US/Czech/Aus do not need adblue.

                Germany is a fucking joke.

              • 1 week ago
                Anonymous

                Have you ever thought about that the reason why Germany hasn't taken the lead in weapon deliveries might be that they just don't care that much? That they're just not that invested in Ukraine winning?
                In which case all your yelling and arguing and seething doesn't really achieve anything because you know they don't really care. All you ship out is shit!!! Ok? So what? I didn't pressure my Bundestag person hard enough so now more Ukies have to die. Oh well

            • 1 week ago
              Anonymous

              >>10 tons of Adblue
              >What's the value of that?
              Actually that shit is kinda expensive.

              • 1 week ago
                Anonymous

                Yeh it is so it inflates the overall donation making Germany look more usefull than it is which then spurs these autismo krauts on 4chins on and gives them false hope they are more relevant than Czechia lol

    • 1 week ago
      Anonymous

      Is this British?

      • 1 week ago
        Anonymous

        No, American.

        >>don't give weapons
        Only the UK and the US gave more.
        >Ukraine’s ambassador
        *ex
        He lost his job.

        He didn't lose his job. He was retiring at the end of the month. Don't let facts get in the way of your seethe.

  30. 1 week ago
    Anonymous

    Polebro, pls stop seething so hard itt, it is not healthy for your heart. Have a borovička. Call your mum. Chill.
    t. Czech

    • 1 week ago
      Anonymous

      >Polebro, pls stop seething so hard itt, it is not healthy for your heart. Have a borovička. Call your mum. Chill.
      >t. Czech
      this

      [...]
      i bet he's not even polish, his talking points are too vatnik

      I suspect we might need Hans Landa for this one

  31. 1 week ago
    Anonymous

    >NATO countries are fighting over whose weapons the Ukies like the best to vaporize vatniks with

    This is not the WW3 I was promised
    But I'll take it

  32. 1 week ago
    Anonymous

    this whole thread proves germans can't meme

    • 1 week ago
      Anonymous

      All of PrepHole except for butthurt tourists like him.

  33. 1 week ago
    Anonymous

    >Kraut status: Fragile

    • 1 week ago
      Anonymous

      >not the first post by this ID
      >anon was so butthurt he had to add a post directed at nobody to express his anger
      lmao

  34. 1 week ago
    Anonymous

    The common Polish L

  35. 1 week ago
    Anonymous
    • 1 week ago
      Anonymous

      https://i.imgur.com/1sJyDpl.png

      >imagining intensifies

      This is just sad

      • 1 week ago
        Anonymous

        yeah it's common sense this willhelmshavener Madel is the best Girl

  36. 1 week ago
    Anonymous

    Somebody got a video of Gepard in action in ukraine?

  37. 1 week ago
    Anonymous

    Reminder that germany has easily outperformed poland in aid to ukraine. Both in total and per gdp.

    • 1 week ago
      Anonymous

      Don't bully the retarded sperg too much.

    • 1 week ago
      Anonymous

      Don't bully the retarded sperg too much.

      You utterly retarded krauts. NO Poland is above Germany in terms of total aid given to Ukraine

      https://i.imgur.com/kvi0yfN.jpg

      >Your far behind
      Personally im way infront of both you you combined, but as you will be upset to see Poland is infront of you lol
      >10 tons of Adblue
      What's the value of that? Because its included in your overall donation and it's pure garbage a waste of logistics. There is lots of examples on Germanys list.
      >4th
      Lmao how embarresing for you pls see picrel, Germans truly are so fucking stupid I bet you are this clown [...]

      being on 3rd place with its $1,8 billion while Germany is below and comes after on 4th place with $1,2 billion. And when it comes to per capita, then again NO, Poland is again amongst the top 3 (after Estonia and Latvia) while Germany is only on 13th place.

      P.S. Germans are utterly stupid and pathetic. It’s really not that hard to double check widely known stats.

      • 1 week ago
        Anonymous

        >’s really not that hard to double check widely known stats
        But it's way more fun to just write lazy one sentence answers and watch the resulting chaos

      • 1 week ago
        Anonymous

        >while Germany is below and comes after on 4th place with $1,2 billion.
        Oh, and I forgot to add, that those German $1,2 billion are propped by tons of fucking AdBlue which propped them up to the 4th position, and they wouldn’t even be there at 4th place without that huge “eco” useless shit. Absolutely cringe.

        • 1 week ago
          Anonymous

          Germany has sent plenty of adblue to Ukraine. 10 tons so far.

  38. 1 week ago
    Anonymous

    >PzH2000
    did they fix the issue where you can't fire the gun from inside the vehicle and so you literally have to have a guy walk outside and yank on a rope?

  39. 1 week ago
    Anonymous

    The issue with PZH2k is that the autoloader is faulty and breaks easily. Krabs are more reliable.

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