Fricking dirt cheap toilet cleaning poles did it again. Poland lied about the extent of their military aid to Ukraine, they claim it's 1.8 billion € and proudly show off that number. Now let's verify what they sent and how much it's actually worth.
https://www.oryxspioenkop.com/2022/08/a-european-powerhouse-polish-military.html
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_foreign_aid_to_Ukraine_during_the_Russo-Ukrainian_War
https://www.hotcars.com/how-capable-are-the-t72a-tanks-that-poland-sent-to-ukraine/
>230 T-72A and T72M1
Unit price in 2011: $0.5 million -> $115 million
https://www.reuters.com/article/ozatp-ethiopia-tanks-ukraine-20110610-idAFJOE7590IR20110610
>50 PT-91 Twardy
Unit price in 2010: $2.82 million -> $141 million
https://www.globalsecurity.org/military/world/europe/pt-91.htm
>18 AHS Krab
Unit price $11.6 million -> 208.8 million
https://mezha.media/en/2022/06/08/poland-sells-to-ukraine-more-than-50-new-155-mm-ahs-krab/
>160 Piorun MANPADS
Unit price in 2016: $155,000 -> $24 million
https://www.thefirstnews.com/article/polish-army-to-buy-more-piorun-anti-aircraft-missiles-29260
>40 BWP-1
Unit cost in 2007 $467,000 -> $18.7 million
http://www.army-guide.com/eng/product4460.html
>20 122mm 2S1 Goździks
Unit cost: Dirt cheap. You can get them for $40,000. Let's assume they cost at least $200,000, 5 times that price, in military condition -> $4 million
https://mortarinvestments.eu/catalog/item/2s1-gvozdika
So right now we are at around $512 million worth of materiel.
What's missing now is the unknown number of T72M1R tanks (<20), a few AMZ Dzik-2 IMV's, an LPG WDSz command vehicle, 100 R73, mortars, small arms and ammunition. If we're fricking generous, let's round the number up and imagine it's worth 88$ million (it's not), then this is just a fricking third of what Poland pretends to have sent.
There's no fricking way Poland sent 1.8 billion, every unit cost here would have to be multiplied by 3 to get to this result.
Hi vatnik!
Where are the Mig-29 you promised Ukraine you fricking plumber?
They went to Ukrainie as "spare parts"?
Poland also did send small arms and ammo for example.
There are lots and lots of grot's in ukraine, or absolute shitload of komar's.
And those spare parts, are they in the room with us now?
Even Germoney delivered Mig29 spare parts, but polish Migs still are on their runways.
>And those spare parts, are they in the room with us now?
Well no, these are in Ukraine you silly goose.
>implying vatnigs even know how a toilet looks like. Don't you have some front to rout from?
Cope, polacks, cope. The shitter's clogged and your next shift comes up
What is the tactical advantage of mass replying and denigrating blue collar work on /k/?
Are you for reall ? You really coudn't find anything better to shill. fricking pathetic.
They are getting desperate.
A vatnig does not have to be russian. A vatnig is a brainless russian shill in general, be he actual russian, serb or even american. Not every russian is a vatnig. The anon constantly shitting on poland in every /k/ thread is a quite clearly a russian living in germany, henceforth all the butthurt.
Oryx's list is disingenuous anyway. It lists smaller aid for germany, but not poland. There are some smaller caveats (Gibbs vs just selling) not included too, but it is still nowhere near as moronic as trying to put it into dollars, which is outright data manipulation.
Polish aid fades compared to Rußian Lend-Lease
>Verification not required
Kek, although sadly not anywhere near all captures are 100% useful to ua.
lmfao
>Unit cost in 2007
>2010
>2016
Inflation must be hitting them hard
It's around 20% right now
Don't forget that 2007 is fricking 15 years ago. Ages in terms of military worth.
MILITARY aid you plumber. Don't you have a toilet to unclog?
How about you add
>Accepting, sheltering, feeding and clothing around 5 million refugees, as well as getting them jobs, education, and a future.
Classic vatnik cope
??? why are you posting this shit it has nothing to do with ruskies
pools are very easily enraged
Note how it got a lot quieter suddenly. They are busy doing the calculations themselves and finding ways to triple the numbers
you mean checking the facts behind claims made by dishonest and emotional OP
>dishonest and emotional
>Posts sources for all numbers
Sure, little plumber. Sure.
Ever considered the possibility that PiS is lying?
Of course, and if they do then more shame to them.
Yeah they are so angry and butthurt and obsessed, I bet they could even spend their free time spamming /k/ with threads with fake numbers to feel better about themselves. Pathetic.
Cope, Poland's tank and artillery donations unironically saved Ukraine.
>shit goes south for Russia
>instant D&C shilling
like pottery
expect supposed poles shitting on german gear next
>russia gettin' fricked up the ass
>threads shitting on poland pop up
like clockwork.
and FSB doesnt even have to turn their VPN, on, lmao.
https://streamable.com/h7ctz0?fbclid=IwAR3fiT_LOoctdv9BqOvPrepHole45ViUickuPp4fl0O22Gy3XKtYXzaq0FyHii8g
Less than a minute after
Literally like clockwork.
i love my ukrainian and polish brethren
>50 PT-91 Twardy
Nope. In really it's not 50. Why do you think Koreans started sending K-2 to Poland immediately?
>18 AHS Krab
Polish army just ordered 48 Krabs, as if they wanted to make up for some loses...
Etc, etc.
Nice try mr Not Vatnik Intelligence, but you won't get your exact data on fricking PrepHole.
And also apart from that, how Ukrainians got MiGs 29 that are able to shoot NATO's rockets? Magic dude! Poland and Slovakia and pure magic!
What hasn't the NordStream bubble shopped into Rußia anus yet?
Serious question for everyone in this thread.
How will vatBlack folk recover?
Thats the neat part.
second poland seethe thread in an hour, really makes me think
a lot more was sent than just that. we talking equipment, ammo and who knows what else. it's just that countries eventually stopped autistically bragging who sent what and how much and so did poland. i guess the only country keeping the literally perfect list of what was sent is germany.
>Yeah sure we have sent it. No, you can't see it.
When the biggest assets combined don't even make up half the amount that's claimed, you should question it
>Makes thread fact checking poland with math and sources
>Gets stormed by thousand mad plumbers
Like clockwork. Poland cannot into facts or space
to be fair, Russia cannot into invading ukraine
OP is a moron who pretends that ammo and supplies costs $0 and you're even more braindead for unironically agreeing with him. I guess all missiles send to Ukraine are not worth anything either?
>ammo and supplies cost $1.2 billion
lol, lmao even. Check the detailed german sources, ammo and supplies don't even add up to 10% of the cost of the weapon systems
>le detailed german sources
>let's assume x things costs y because... we say so
Black person are you even trying
>point out the poor coordination of this raid
>still attempts to engage me in the subject matter
>think I care about whatever maskirovka /misc/ cooked up this time
Zeeky boogy doog
>Number is literally sourced
Sourced where?
You think Poland is officially giving exact numbers on how much military equipment they've given out? Right now - when they're literally in a proxy war with potential of hot war?
homie, go leave. You're too stupid for /k/.
https://gagadget.com/en/150796-ukraine-received-50-60-polish-pt-91-twardy-tanks-but-there-will-be-more/
Cope, little plumber. I'm sure your imaginary polish tank divisions will win the war
Literally this:
>we shall receive all 232 tanks PT-91 Twardy, which were in service of the Ground Forces of Poland
Tanks that are going to Ukraine aren't in posession of Polish Army any more. Once they're inspected by techical guys, they're all gone.
That's the reason why UK has sent Challengers with crews and why Korea sends their own K-2 now, instead of keeping Poland tank-less til ordered batch is produced.
You would need 425 PT91 to get to that 1.2 billion figure you dipshit, almost twice the amount Poland has ever had
>Cost of a tank = price of a tank
You are literally moronic. If your IQ went above 85 in some test, it means autism.
>Cost of a tank = price of a tank
That's literally how every other country calculates their contributions to Ukraine
Pooles have to lie to even pretend to be a proper country
pretty sure they adjust for inflation rates and use current value instead of your naive arithmetic
>A tank that cost 1 million in 1972 is now worth 7.5 million
Yes that's exactly how poles would present their "aid" to Ukraine
You are extra salty. It says a lot about you.
>Yeah sure, Poland delivered $1.2 million worth of PT91 to Ukraine
>implying poland has 425 PT-91 when they actually only have 92
a vatnik would admit that Ukraine dunked on them with even less aid
>Expecting IRA shills to have one coherent line of reasoning
They have no problem calling ukes a israelite empire one moment and calling for denzifying it the next
Also as if their other copes didn't make Russia look like shit, remember "soldiers prefer to not have optics"?
Okay, another argument: You think a vatnik would be sober and mathematically able to calculate that list?
now this is a much better argument, coming back to the point i think poles count their humanitarian help into it and didn't disclose all of the military stuff
I guess your estimate could be roughly correct
but armored combat vehicles make only a portion of the total aid
now count in basic shit like ammo, food, medical supplies, small arms, equipment, fuel, trucks, spare parts, etc.
>now count in basic shit like ammo, food, medical supplies, small arms, equipment, fuel, trucks, spare parts, etc.
But those things don't add up to about 1 billion. See the detailed german deliveries for example, where the combined cost of those come not even close to the cost of the systems and are only like 10% of that.
Even if we're extremely overly generous and assume they add up to the same amount as the systems, there's still a third missing.
Something don't add up and I think it's PiS
Nah, OP is a homosexual. Simple as
Or Poland, which has 1/3 of the GDP of Canada, has actually just contributed 1/3 of the military aid of Canada - and not 100%.
Maybe they're too busy taking in millions of refugees.
>refugees are military aid
Poles are fricking stupid my sides
>This number comes from Kiel Institue, a German economic institute. Why exactly would they lie about it?
They don't lie about it, they simply didn't verify it. Check their data set: https://www.ifw-kiel.de/publications/data-sets/ukraine-support-tracker-data-17410/
They simply cite Michał Dworczyk and that's it.
In fact, in their "prices" section they don't even give prices for T72A or T72M1
Finally someone who can see the fricking obvious
>Finally someone who can see the fricking obvious
It wasn't a compliment.
Only a German would waste their own free time to make a nothingburger expose because he's been brought to the brink of insanity from the bantz coming his way since the start of the war.
You're in every thread about Polish army.
Literally Armatard tier.
>waste their own free time
You just decibnred the /k/ experience
Anon, are you having a stroke?
>decibnred
anon, the excel file you linked literally has the unit prices of the military equipment, and clearly they don't align with your calculations.
Not to mention I checked that link you posted in the OP and it doesn't mention a 2.82 million price anywhere. In fact, it mentiones the price of the Japanese TK-X as $8 million and describes it as "comparable" to Twardy, which would align with the $9,2 price mentioned in the Polish-Malaysian deal from this file.
> In fact, it mentiones the price of the Japanese TK-X as $8 million and describes it as "comparable" to Twardy, which would align with the $9,2 price mentioned in the Polish-Malaysian deal from this file.
Also I forgt: PT-91 Twardy is not PT-91 M Pendekar
The PT91M was actually worth a lot more in 2002 - around 7.2 million
>slavs lie
shocking to no one
how is 250 tanks and several batteries of artillery not significant help
It is. But it's not 1.8 billion worth of help.
PiS is just lying to make themselves look like glorious knights in shiny armor, when they actually are dipshits and only delivdered the cheapest shit they have.
They haven't even provided modern rocket artillery, just 20 fricking grad. Or mobile AA systems
It hardly matters how much they send when it's all financed by Brussels/Germany anyway.
How about you go suck a dick and kys ivan ?
How about you actually donate 1.8 billion to Ukraine, you cheap bawds?
Because that's definitely everything they've sent and it's all public. Right.
And even then that would be more proportionally to gdp than most Western countries.
Suck your mate's dick and get a grenade dropped on you, vatnik fricker
>proportionally to gdp
>I got killed by a round from Nigeria, holy shit that thing is worth half the GDP of a country
I think they used the prices when those tanks were produced, instead of their 2022 values (or at least, 15 years old prices)
>How about you actually donate 1.8 billion to Ukraine, you cheap bawds?
What, are you too cheap for that? Are pictures of vatBlack folk the only thign you can donate to Ukraine?
Idk what are You raging about; but I can also provide a quick guide to make rußian flag useful
so vatBlack folk geting fricked with even less
Which village did the vatniks lose this time?
All of them
Dunno, I'm just here to press cheap poles into donating the actual amount of what they claim
t. draft dodger
I assume OP got beat up by a Pole and that's why he's seething so hard? I can't even imagine caring enough about Poland if that's not the case.
Much obliged!
Thank you for the very informative and organic thread! 🙂
Two threads today
>Poland lied about the extent of their military aid to Ukraine, they claim it's 1.8 billion € and proudly show off that number
This number comes from Kiel Institue, a German economic institute. Why exactly would they lie about it? Chances are, not all specifics about the military aid are public, and I do not know whether stuff like ammo, fuel or even transportation costs are included.
I can 100% guarantee OP is in fact a german,
Lol at poles thinking they're different from russians. They're just weaker so they know they won't get away with pulling the same shit. They tried in the 30s.
Trying to compare Poles to Russians puts you in a really bad light because Germans and Russians are basically the same thing.
that's some proper seething and screeching of someone who knows he's talking about his betters.
Poland has always been, is and will always be the conscience of Europe and the world - and excessively smug and pompous about it.
t. czech
Thanks, czechbro
Those better be multiple separate pipes in that thicc corridor.
They've also sent a dozen or so jets, set up training camps for Ukies, donated an airport, operate CASEVAC networks, and house millions of their women and children.
Poland is putting its money where its mouth is.
>They've also sent a dozen or so jets,
Lying pole lying again
Funfact: That PT-91 price is actually not the same as the one in the source
http://www.army-guide.com/eng/product179.html
>Average Unit Cost: $5,935,484
>Not to mention I checked that link you posted in the OP and it doesn't mention a 2.82 million price anywhere.
That's actually true, they made a typo and wrote "billion" instead of "million":
>The PT-91 MBT is to cost about 14 billion zlotys [Z]
>how dare you fact check PiStards and pooles
I'd never denigrate blue collar work, but pooles just suck at their job, man
>Funfact: That PT-91 price is actually not the same as the one in the source
Yeah, it specifically mentiones it's adjusted for $2021.
>>The PT-91 MBT is to cost about 14 billion zlotys [Z]
Frankly, I don't get what they meant by this. Even if it's a typo, why do they describe a $8 million price as comparable just the next sentence? And is this still talking about '93 prices?
Either way, and actual military deal seems like the better source for the price than an unsourced article from some subscription based website.
>Yeah, it specifically mentiones it's adjusted for $2021.
Because tanks obviously grow in value over time, like wine
lmao moron, no wonder poland thinks they are the saviours of europe. Germany doesn't adjust their deliveries for inflation.
>1 minute apart
>Because tanks obviously grow in value over time, like wine
it's not about tanks getting more expensive, the source of the price is still that same 15 year old deal, it's an adjustment for inflation, pure common sense
Tanks. lose. worth. over. time. fast. than. inflation.
A $1 million T72 form 1970 is not worth $7 million today, but only a laughable $0.5 million.
A $6 million PT-91 in 2001 is not worth $9 million in 2022, but rather around the $2.82 million cited by GlobalSecurity in 2015.
What is wrong with schizos on this board, non stop dick measuring contest who gave Ukraine more stuff. Poland given they are a medium country still kinda shit economically gave way above it's league to Ukraine. They gave like 500 soviet era tanks to Ukraine that Ukrainians could use right away which is way better than double of that value in money to be honest. Is anyone gonna unironically compare Poland to Germany or US?
The schizo kraut OP can't stand being talked down upon. It's really that simple.
>The country that gets 9 billion in free money every year donates only their shittiest equipment, lies about it
>You WILL like that
Okay moron
>They gave like 500 soviet era tanks
Lol a bazillion tanks
So where are polish counter battery radars, high precision rocket artillery, or mobile AA? nowhere to be seen, because poland only donated their cheapest shit they wanted to get rid of anyways.
And then made up the value of that shit
Bro no one knows shit. We only know what is public so declaring anything now is moronic. I wouldn't be surprised if all western countries are supporting Ukraine with ammo/training but are just not bragging about it to not piss off Russia even more. We will know the real scale of help only couple years after the war when countries will reveal everything.
>May I see it
>No!
PiStards caught lying and cheating again
Everything will be revealed after the war is over.
Of course nobody will care then as all Russians and Vatniks will be die in the inevitable genocide.
idk if yours is an organic outrage or you work for someone but you made it abundantly clear you care nothing for actual support for Ukraine and your intent is entirely malicious. You should stop and contemplate your values.
>your intent is entirely malicious
Not at all. I want those shitty PiStards to actually supply shit to Ukraine, like the promised Mig 29, their WR-40 rocket artillery (instead of shitty Grad), their Rosomak IFV's (instead of shitty BMP-1), their Cougar IMV or Poprad anti-air systems.
Ukraine needs modern stuff, but all poland has delivered is fricking old. With the notable exception of Krab, which just fricking explodes.
>I'm objective and you can trust the numbers I post
>also PiStards
yea buddy
sure you don't have bias or axe to grind with Poland. The most reliable guy in the world.
>muh inflation
>muh invisible deliveries
Poles came up with that 1.8 billion figure in June and it was 1/3 of what they claimed. And they haven't delivered anything else until now, their figure is still at that 1.8 billion since 4 fricking months.
Cheap fricking bastards sitting on WR-40's, Rosomak, Cougar and Poprad while Ukraine desperately needs anti-air systems, modern IMV's, IFV's and modern rocket artillery.
>didn't adjust the 2011 currency for inflation.
>doesn't actually know what all of the data is
>posts anyway
it warms my heart to see germoids and vatBlack folk make threads seething about poland 🙂 keep them coming friends, what cope will you come up with next?
t. pole
PIDF in full strength today I see.
Posting in a bait thread
Ruskie rape babies seething again lol, go fluff your wife’s turk bvll kruatBlack person
not a butthurt seething thread btw
you can clearly see how everyone is obsessed with krauts and not the other way around
I thought this isn't supposed to be a political board lol what a joke jannies are
Friendly reminder that krautchan got shut down for being a pedo porn central and it's never coming back.
I expected nothing less from a g*rm
My most hated board by quite some margin
All the cringeworthy internet rot like wojaks and country balls came from there
Ahs Krabs were given with support and command vehicles
|_T_|T_
Just adjusting prices by inflation adds another $57 million. What about spare parts? Ammunition? Logistics?
Also you are looking at soviet T-72A prices while they planned to spend 400mln on upgrades in 2019 and most of the work has already been done.
>The Polish Ministry of Defence (MoD) signed a contract with a consortium, composed of the Polish Armaments Group (Polska Grupa Zbrojeniowa, PGZ), Zaklady Mechaniczne (ZM), Bumar-Labedy and Wojskowe Zaklady Motoryzacyjne (WZM), for an overhaul and upgrade of a number of T-72M1 main battle tanks (MBT). The deal is worth 1.75 billion Polish Zloty. Work should start this year and run through to 2025.
this list is far from complete - i know of at lest two other: OSA AA systems (undisclosed number) and shiiiton of komar AT - plus all soviet caliber ammo we could find (there were also rumors about migs 29 and hinds sent as spare parts.
One thing of note is that in their small arms package are about 10k MSBS rifles; each one with a unit price of 1700 and being by far the most modern small arms platform anyone has given them (Looking at you, Greece).
But I don't think its actually military support. Every time I read the quote its "military and social support".
And that checks out. That checks out...Fricking completely. Because Poland has been proudly facetanking the bulk of the Ukranian refugee crisis. The refugees are not only given shelter, but the kids were given schools, and everyone was covered by the polish social security system.