>The police are not allowed to be armed similarly to the population that they protect because... well just because ok!
Let me guess you aren't "driving" you are "traveling"
If they're used on cartels, fine.
If they're used on an elderly hippie couple growing pot for their arthritis and they shoot their dog and tackle/taze them until they die of heart attacks, then frick those pigs.
>to the population that they protect because.
False advertising. Police has no duty to protect neither population nor law.
Police has only duty to not violate law themselves.
I don't care that the police are getting these weapons (though I do very much mind that civilians aren't legally allowed to do so). Give every cop an M60 for all I care. But I don't understand why they're copying the military aesthetic when they're supposed to be enforcing laws, not protecting the country.
Police shouldn't wear camo. Combat is a rare unfortunate occurrence of the job, not their main role. They should either wear typical professional police uniforms or obnoxiously bright uniforms with "POLICE" thrown on every angle to let everyone know of their presence. Why are their faces blurred? They don't want to let civilians know who's going to no-knock raid their dogs? Those American flag patches should be full color, not what the Air Force considers tacticool.
Does that dude on the bottom right have a fricking sapper tab? That's absolutely fricking moronic, unless he's an EOD tech, in which case it's still pretty strange. I can't even imagine what sort of cringe I would experience if I could read the tabs on the dipshit next to him.
In the United states, its been ruled that anybody can wear camos regardless of of their affiliation. It becomes a problem if they claim to be "military".
When I was in high school there was a group of evangelists that posted up outside my school wearing FBI windbreaker and tried to stop kids to talk about jesus calling themselves the Firm Believers In christ. That didn't go over well with the school or police
No dumdum, the entire point of a police uniform is to clearly identify you to everyone in eyeshot as a copper. A tiny camo patch on a camo carrier on camo fatigues does a really shit job of this.
>low light conditions
Anon, I don't think you will need see what they are in a low light conditions if you got US MARSHALS or any 3 letter agencies coming after you.
Or even just when they're moving, they're indistinguishable from any other LARPer. It's going to get them all shot dead one of these days when they roll up at the wrong guy's ranch.
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SWATs are usually pretty vocal about their appearance.
11 months ago
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It's almost like all the multicam is completely counterproductive or something.
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>counterproductive
More like SWATs or specialized police groups get whatever shit gets donated to them by the market. Be it USGI or not. Not every department has a standardized uniform.
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It's not like dye doesn't exist or they can't afford some fricking trousers.
11 months ago
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Its more cheaper to just leave it as it is.
Oh sure it's all hand-me-downs for the poor fellas, and not the ever larger bloated police budgets where they go buy designer fatigues to LARP as the men that they wish they were. All on the taxpayer's dime too
Some departments are not as funded as the others. Shit like military surplus are fricking cheap and the U.S. government sells them for a dime to civilians and police organizations alike.
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Oh sure it's all hand-me-downs for the poor fellas, and not the ever larger bloated police budgets where they go buy designer fatigues to LARP as the men that they wish they were. All on the taxpayer's dime too
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Big budget swats usually buy crye or whatever. The ones on a smaller budget buys basic military surplus gear.
11 months ago
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more dangerous to be a mechanic than a cop but they want us to kneel down and blow them and thank them for their service
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>multicam
Swats either wear plain colored uniforms or camo ones. Their camos can range depending on what they got.
It's not about "Well the cops have the freedom to dress however they want!"
No, no gum gum for you, Dum Dum.
The point is that the cops should be highly visible. They are direct agents of the government's laws, their job is not to capture things and kill bad guys.
They don't need to be dressing like soldiers outside of extremely rare circumstances.
When cops start acting like soldiers, it's a pretty good fricking sign that you live in tyranny.
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It’s gay. They aren’t operating in a non-permissive environment as a direct action element. When I went to CQB school tbe instructor said don’t be snowed by swat guys who say “we did 120 warrants last year.” He said they have control of the scene, show up with very large teams and do the slow and deliberate room-by-room clearing, totally different than direct action units.
>police militarization >wearing camos that can be bought in the market(either off brand or USGI) >equipment is also bought from there
You can dress like a "militarized cop" by just going to the market.
>noooo you can't use camouflage that's only for the military
Police militarization is artillery, that's the test to see if something is a military or not. Artillery is all that matters.
American cops are trained to wet their pants and become hysterical when approaching a suspect. They are so ingrained with the fear of their own grisly death at all times that they can't properly control their weapons and panic-fire for any reason until they are out of bullets. Often they shoot each other by mistake. They are taught that every minute of every day they are on duty they need to be ready for a full blown firefight vs multiple enemies with automatic weapons. I believe most of them have induced PTSD even before they kill someone
They are so brainwashed into crippling mind-bending fear they will even put handcuffs on dead and dying people and scream at them for several minutes before allowing any rescue personnel to help.
I am not lying and not exaggerating, this is done on purpose tho nobody knows why.
That ain't it chief. Guns are about the same, marksmanship has gone into the shitter, and it's harder than ever to get hold of high explosives or reactants to make them.
Graham v. Connor, which essentially says that police are allowed to use as much force as they think is necessary, including lethal, if it's judged to be acceptable by their peers. Their peers are not socity as a whole, but only other police officers. You can see where this ripe for abuse and how 'I was fearing for my life' becomes a Get out of jail free card for any police brutality.
Kyle Dinkheller getting his dumbass killed by Andrew Brannan because Dinkheller managed to frick up every step of the way for what should have been a routine traffic stop for speeding.
And police taking the message from Dinkheller getting his dumbass killed, that police need to treat everyone they encounter as a lethal threat to them and adopt the 'us verses them', warrior mentality which they now train their new recruits.It also doesn't help you have a war criminal like Eddie Gallagher training police in this mindset now.
Full legal cover and treating everyone who's not a police offer as a threat. It's no wonder policing in America is fricked up.
Let's invest and spend precious taxpayer money to make SWAT gear look more friendly. People have sensibilities and law enforcement should account of that.
Cops should wear a uniform which has to be ironed with creases in the sleeves and down the pant legs much like a ceremonial uniform.
Every year they should have to take standardised testing on a range of laws and if they fail they simply lose their jobs until they pass the exams again and can be re-instated.
Cops should only be allowed to have their service pistol locked up in a safe in the trunk of their patrol car, and every time they unlock the safe they have to write a report justifying why they took out their firearm for that particular job.
Cops should be tested every year on their physical fitness and ground grappling skills in detaining, disarming suspects including suspects with knives.
Not having your body camera on should be grounds for immediate dismissal and should be grounds for jail time if said body camera isn't on during an arrest.
In any shooting or use of force scenario, cops should be legally held to a higher standard than any regular citizen and fearing for one's life should not even be an argument. If there was a mass shooting happening and the nearest patrol car didn't come to a screeching halt outside and run into the building full speed I would happily see that cop be charged with every murder the shooter committed for gross dereliction of duty.
>Acting like police militarization is a new thing
If anything it's a return to old trends. Throughout most of human history, Police/law enforcement often used the exact same equipment as the military. In many places it was the Military doing law enforcement. In the US, a shit ton of LE departments were using lever actions in the 1880's while the US army was still using a single shot rifle. The trend of police using top of the line arms began to die off after WW2. Even then, many agencies bought surplus arms. According to my grandpa, our little middle of nowhere sheriff's department was issuing M-1 Garands and Carbines as standard long arms since the 50's, with Thompsons also being purchased and used. They replaced them with AR's in the 80's.
If anything, cops began issuing plates and optics before the US army did, not counting SOCOM. It all depends on how much funding the department had on hand at a time. People only think it's a recent thing because Obama handed out surplus GWOT shit like candy to LE for dirt cheap, often times for free.
Except the point isn't the weapon choices, it's the use of camo and other aspects of military apparel that serve no practical purpose other then letting them LARP as soldiers. If you're arresting someone, you want to make it fricking clear that you're the police and that they're going to lose if they don't comply, which is why mono color uniforms with giant fricking patches in an opposing color that say POLICE are a standard uniform the world over for police doing high risk things, except for the US where as if you looked at
https://i.imgur.com/V29gfCk.jpg
Anon, police literally have a POLICE or FBI, US MARSHALS symbols on their plates and everything. Even with camos, they are identifiable.
or
https://i.imgur.com/LFcVD5j.jpg
, you're not going to see the POLICE tags at a glance because the fricking camo pattern is doing it's job and letting it blend in. Compare it to something like
https://i.imgur.com/Lz28gC2.jpg
>counterproductive
More like SWATs or specialized police groups get whatever shit gets donated to them by the market. Be it USGI or not. Not every department has a standardized uniform.
where they're wearing some surplus camo, but they've got the black vests with white writing on it that make it very easy to read POLICE even if some of those guys don't have it on both sides of their vest.
Now, if you want to argue that Game Wardens and US Border Patrol are in a unique situation where there is a practical purpose to them wearing camo, that's something that's more of an edge case, but there is no reason the fricking Marshals should have their POLICE patches in fricking camo brown instead of neon fricking colors so people know who's coming through the door, and it has and will result in more LEOs getting blasted by people who don't know who's kicking down their door in the middle of the night, especially when they get the wrong house, and then a good portion of those people getting blasted in return because cops don't appreciate being shot at anymore like anyone else.
>Throughout most of human history, Police
Those weren't police. Police are a relatively new concept and their defining characteristic is that they have absolutely fricking nothing to do with the military.
Yeah
>The police are not allowed to be armed similarly to the population that they protect because... well just because ok!
Let me guess you aren't "driving" you are "traveling"
So why cant I have high capacity full auto rifles with armor piercing ammo just like cops?
Oh wait im going to get a (You) that's just leftist homosexual nonsense.
you can have all of that except full auto? What's your point
Hello homosexual (You)!
Just as I predicted.
? do you not own body armor and an AR?
Wheres my full auto AR?
https://3dgunbuilder.com/accessories/yankee-boogle-swift-link/
>just like cops
Most departments use shit from the civilian market.
If they're used on cartels, fine.
If they're used on an elderly hippie couple growing pot for their arthritis and they shoot their dog and tackle/taze them until they die of heart attacks, then frick those pigs.
They have no duty to protect you or your children, they have a duty to grab your guns
Total pigger death
>to the population that they protect because.
False advertising. Police has no duty to protect neither population nor law.
Police has only duty to not violate law themselves.
I don't care that the police are getting these weapons (though I do very much mind that civilians aren't legally allowed to do so). Give every cop an M60 for all I care. But I don't understand why they're copying the military aesthetic when they're supposed to be enforcing laws, not protecting the country.
Police shouldn't wear camo. Combat is a rare unfortunate occurrence of the job, not their main role. They should either wear typical professional police uniforms or obnoxiously bright uniforms with "POLICE" thrown on every angle to let everyone know of their presence. Why are their faces blurred? They don't want to let civilians know who's going to no-knock raid their dogs? Those American flag patches should be full color, not what the Air Force considers tacticool.
Does that dude on the bottom right have a fricking sapper tab? That's absolutely fricking moronic, unless he's an EOD tech, in which case it's still pretty strange. I can't even imagine what sort of cringe I would experience if I could read the tabs on the dipshit next to him.
I hate every "person" in this picture.
They're game wardens so camo is a way not to get shot by organized crime, cartels, and illegal grow operators in the boonies.
In the United states, its been ruled that anybody can wear camos regardless of of their affiliation. It becomes a problem if they claim to be "military".
You can wear an FBI jacket too.
And hat too. Again, it becomes a problem if you "pose" as a military or law enforcement personnel.
>And hat too.
When I was in high school there was a group of evangelists that posted up outside my school wearing FBI windbreaker and tried to stop kids to talk about jesus calling themselves the Firm Believers In christ. That didn't go over well with the school or police
Pretty sure what they were doing was obstructing peace. Along with violating other rules within school property.
No dumdum, the entire point of a police uniform is to clearly identify you to everyone in eyeshot as a copper. A tiny camo patch on a camo carrier on camo fatigues does a really shit job of this.
Anon, police literally have a POLICE or FBI, US MARSHALS symbols on their plates and everything. Even with camos, they are identifiable.
now try reading that shit in adverse low-light conditions at a hundred paces
>low light conditions
Anon, I don't think you will need see what they are in a low light conditions if you got US MARSHALS or any 3 letter agencies coming after you.
Or even just when they're moving, they're indistinguishable from any other LARPer. It's going to get them all shot dead one of these days when they roll up at the wrong guy's ranch.
SWATs are usually pretty vocal about their appearance.
It's almost like all the multicam is completely counterproductive or something.
>counterproductive
More like SWATs or specialized police groups get whatever shit gets donated to them by the market. Be it USGI or not. Not every department has a standardized uniform.
It's not like dye doesn't exist or they can't afford some fricking trousers.
Its more cheaper to just leave it as it is.
Some departments are not as funded as the others. Shit like military surplus are fricking cheap and the U.S. government sells them for a dime to civilians and police organizations alike.
Oh sure it's all hand-me-downs for the poor fellas, and not the ever larger bloated police budgets where they go buy designer fatigues to LARP as the men that they wish they were. All on the taxpayer's dime too
Big budget swats usually buy crye or whatever. The ones on a smaller budget buys basic military surplus gear.
more dangerous to be a mechanic than a cop but they want us to kneel down and blow them and thank them for their service
>multicam
Swats either wear plain colored uniforms or camo ones. Their camos can range depending on what they got.
How the frick did that go over your head?
It's not about "Well the cops have the freedom to dress however they want!"
No, no gum gum for you, Dum Dum.
The point is that the cops should be highly visible. They are direct agents of the government's laws, their job is not to capture things and kill bad guys.
They don't need to be dressing like soldiers outside of extremely rare circumstances.
When cops start acting like soldiers, it's a pretty good fricking sign that you live in tyranny.
What the frick did you just fricking say about me, you little shit? Ill have you know I graduated top of my class in the Navy Seals, and Ive been involved in numerous secret raids on Al-Quaeda, and I have over 300 confirmed kills. I am trained in gorilla warfare and Im the top sniper in the entire US armed forces. You are nothing to me but just another target. I will wipe you the frick out with precision the likes of which has never been seen before on this Earth, mark my fricking words. You think you can get away with saying that shit to me over the Internet? Think again, fricker. As we speak I am contacting my secret network of spies across the USA and your IP is being traced right now so you better prepare for the storm, maggot. The storm that wipes out the pathetic little thing you call your life. Youre fricking dead, kid. I can be anywhere, anytime, and I can kill you in over seven hundred ways, and thats just with my bare hands. Not only am I extensively trained in unarmed combat, but I have access to the entire arsenal of the United States Marine Corps and I will use it to its full extent to wipe your miserable ass off the face of the continent, you little shit. If only you could have known what unholy retribution your little clever comment was about to bring down upon you, maybe you would have held your fricking tongue. But you couldnt, you didnt, and now youre paying the price, you goddamn idiot. I will shit fury all over you and you will drown in it. Youre fricking dead, kiddo.
It’s gay. They aren’t operating in a non-permissive environment as a direct action element. When I went to CQB school tbe instructor said don’t be snowed by swat guys who say “we did 120 warrants last year.” He said they have control of the scene, show up with very large teams and do the slow and deliberate room-by-room clearing, totally different than direct action units.
https://mises.org/power-market/police-have-no-duty-protect-you-federal-court-affirms-yet-again
Even scarier is the fact they have no duty to know current case law. ExCopFedEsq.
>The police of a militarized nation are themselves militarized
Shocking!
>police militarization
>wearing camos that can be bought in the market(either off brand or USGI)
>equipment is also bought from there
You can dress like a "militarized cop" by just going to the market.
jamie pull up that webm of the mexican sicarios driving on a us highway with a 50 cal chilling in the passenger seat
Let's meme it as the patriotic duty of everything police department to donate their military gear to Ukraine.
>noooo you can't use camouflage that's only for the military
Police militarization is artillery, that's the test to see if something is a military or not. Artillery is all that matters.
>game wardens
of all the police that should wear camo doesn't that make the most sense? same as anti-poacher units
I think a better topic for discussion is the militarization of OP's mom
American cops are trained to wet their pants and become hysterical when approaching a suspect. They are so ingrained with the fear of their own grisly death at all times that they can't properly control their weapons and panic-fire for any reason until they are out of bullets. Often they shoot each other by mistake. They are taught that every minute of every day they are on duty they need to be ready for a full blown firefight vs multiple enemies with automatic weapons. I believe most of them have induced PTSD even before they kill someone
They are so brainwashed into crippling mind-bending fear they will even put handcuffs on dead and dying people and scream at them for several minutes before allowing any rescue personnel to help.
I am not lying and not exaggerating, this is done on purpose tho nobody knows why.
In a country where everyone and their moms are armed, I don't blame them.
Funny, everyone and their mom was armed prior to the 1960s too and those cops were packing revolvers and proper uniforms. I wonder what changed.
the modernization of weaponry and bombs probably did the trick.
That ain't it chief. Guns are about the same, marksmanship has gone into the shitter, and it's harder than ever to get hold of high explosives or reactants to make them.
Anon, the 80s/90s literally left a scar on everybody.
This.
there's multiple vids of idiot cops magdumping a corpse, and then handcuffing it...Frightened children being trained to be more frightened...
You can blame this on three things.
Graham v. Connor, which essentially says that police are allowed to use as much force as they think is necessary, including lethal, if it's judged to be acceptable by their peers. Their peers are not socity as a whole, but only other police officers. You can see where this ripe for abuse and how 'I was fearing for my life' becomes a Get out of jail free card for any police brutality.
Kyle Dinkheller getting his dumbass killed by Andrew Brannan because Dinkheller managed to frick up every step of the way for what should have been a routine traffic stop for speeding.
And police taking the message from Dinkheller getting his dumbass killed, that police need to treat everyone they encounter as a lethal threat to them and adopt the 'us verses them', warrior mentality which they now train their new recruits.It also doesn't help you have a war criminal like Eddie Gallagher training police in this mindset now.
Full legal cover and treating everyone who's not a police offer as a threat. It's no wonder policing in America is fricked up.
Let's invest and spend precious taxpayer money to make SWAT gear look more friendly. People have sensibilities and law enforcement should account of that.
they bleed.
FRICK THE POLICE
>They are all Demonic
I'm 100% serious when I say this.
Cops should wear a uniform which has to be ironed with creases in the sleeves and down the pant legs much like a ceremonial uniform.
Every year they should have to take standardised testing on a range of laws and if they fail they simply lose their jobs until they pass the exams again and can be re-instated.
Cops should only be allowed to have their service pistol locked up in a safe in the trunk of their patrol car, and every time they unlock the safe they have to write a report justifying why they took out their firearm for that particular job.
Cops should be tested every year on their physical fitness and ground grappling skills in detaining, disarming suspects including suspects with knives.
Not having your body camera on should be grounds for immediate dismissal and should be grounds for jail time if said body camera isn't on during an arrest.
In any shooting or use of force scenario, cops should be legally held to a higher standard than any regular citizen and fearing for one's life should not even be an argument. If there was a mass shooting happening and the nearest patrol car didn't come to a screeching halt outside and run into the building full speed I would happily see that cop be charged with every murder the shooter committed for gross dereliction of duty.
>Acting like police militarization is a new thing
If anything it's a return to old trends. Throughout most of human history, Police/law enforcement often used the exact same equipment as the military. In many places it was the Military doing law enforcement. In the US, a shit ton of LE departments were using lever actions in the 1880's while the US army was still using a single shot rifle. The trend of police using top of the line arms began to die off after WW2. Even then, many agencies bought surplus arms. According to my grandpa, our little middle of nowhere sheriff's department was issuing M-1 Garands and Carbines as standard long arms since the 50's, with Thompsons also being purchased and used. They replaced them with AR's in the 80's.
If anything, cops began issuing plates and optics before the US army did, not counting SOCOM. It all depends on how much funding the department had on hand at a time. People only think it's a recent thing because Obama handed out surplus GWOT shit like candy to LE for dirt cheap, often times for free.
Except the point isn't the weapon choices, it's the use of camo and other aspects of military apparel that serve no practical purpose other then letting them LARP as soldiers. If you're arresting someone, you want to make it fricking clear that you're the police and that they're going to lose if they don't comply, which is why mono color uniforms with giant fricking patches in an opposing color that say POLICE are a standard uniform the world over for police doing high risk things, except for the US where as if you looked at
or
, you're not going to see the POLICE tags at a glance because the fricking camo pattern is doing it's job and letting it blend in. Compare it to something like
where they're wearing some surplus camo, but they've got the black vests with white writing on it that make it very easy to read POLICE even if some of those guys don't have it on both sides of their vest.
Now, if you want to argue that Game Wardens and US Border Patrol are in a unique situation where there is a practical purpose to them wearing camo, that's something that's more of an edge case, but there is no reason the fricking Marshals should have their POLICE patches in fricking camo brown instead of neon fricking colors so people know who's coming through the door, and it has and will result in more LEOs getting blasted by people who don't know who's kicking down their door in the middle of the night, especially when they get the wrong house, and then a good portion of those people getting blasted in return because cops don't appreciate being shot at anymore like anyone else.
>Throughout most of human history, Police
Those weren't police. Police are a relatively new concept and their defining characteristic is that they have absolutely fricking nothing to do with the military.
They say its all mostly drugsgang related