Poland to purchase 670 Redback IFV

Revealed purchase lists so far:
>180 K2 MBT(to be delivered until 2024 in the same configuration as K2NO, likely for urgent needs) - $2.2bil<
>400 K2PL until 2030 - $6.1bil<
>48 FA-50(8 of which will be delivered by the end of this year) - $2.6bil<
>670 Redback(not much details on this but likely to be produced locally with ZSSW-30 turret) - $3.8bil>
The total expenditure is expected to amount up to 15 billion USD.
Also, the Polish government is asking for hard discounts in return for further collaborations in sectors like Nuclear Power plant, Highspeed railway, Hydro fuel cell, etc.

They're literally bagging every weapon they can get their hands on recently. What's going on in Poland?

  1. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >What's going on in Poland?
    They realized that industrial warfare isn't going anywhere.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >They realized that industrial warfare isn't going anywhere.
      True.

      Why does that shithole need so much AFVs?

      needs to replace BMP-1

  2. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    bussines with Koreans is better than burgers or germs, since they're much more willing to transfer technologies and licenses. But i really don't like FA-50 purchase, makes no fucking sense since Poland already invested deeply into F-16 and F-35

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      The K2 is the best mbt in the world but probably the most expensive too

      Redbacks are the best ifvs also

      Fa50s has surprisingly strong performances in real combat situations but its not going to do well against 4.5 and 5 gen fighters, the kf21 is supposedly better than the f35 so if anything they should go with kf21s

      Looks like Poland could have the strongest army in europe very soon

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >The K2 is the best mbt in the world but probably the most expensive too
        Retarded ricemoron fuck off.

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Idiot monkey go put your head through a woodchipper and gtfo gays like you should have a nice day and never show up here again

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >Redbacks are the best ifvs also
        Nah mate the CV90 with the new upgrades is the shit.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Bwahahaha the cope

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          chud soldier detected

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Didn't they spend a comparable amount on the SEPv3 Abrams and HIMARS purchases?

  3. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >What's going on in Poland?
    Gonna reclaim their rightful clay from Belarus.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Western belarus is unironically rightful polish land populated by people with polish roots

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >from Ukraine
      yup its that time

  4. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >The total expenditure is expected to amount up to 15 billion USD
    how the fuck are they planning on paying for all of this ?

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Take a loan for 25 years. If you live long enough to worry about paying it back then that is a great victory.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      16b is less than 4% of Poland's GDP.
      They can afford to spend that in a year, let alone several years as in this case.
      Not to mention the fact that Russia just demonstrated that:
      1.They have no respect for borders.
      2.They think they should attack Poland.
      3.They are dumb and spiteful enough to do it even if it would tank their economy.
      4.They are petty enough to turn an entire country into a wasteland if they can't have it and rapacious enough to turn it into a wasteland if they take it.
      Poland is being smart (unlike Germany, Austria and countless others).

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Poles better not ask the EU to pay for these with european taxpayer's money.
        If they want european armies to hang out in their country it can be done. It's already being done. They don't trust them to defend Poland? Then why are they in the EU?
        We need a buy european act. These guys are insufferable with their blatant disregard for european solutions, before demanding the EU take their needs into account.
        FFS they have a local industry that could be making these weapons, and they don't even ask them.
        Not even refugees ask for this many gibs.

        "less than 4%"
        Oh yeah right, any normal country can spend "less than 4% of its GDP" on comfort sales for useless weapons since russians have been demilitarized anyway, disregarding the rest of military spending.
        Anon are you aware countries run on a budget and Poland isn't particularly doing well, budget-wise?
        Didn't they want 500 HIMARS too?
        And what about maintenance, and the people to man all these weapons? Won't they be paid wages either?
        This is ridiculous.

        https://i.imgur.com/cROvPNE.jpg

        [...]
        Lol retard detected, K2 also happens to be the most expensive tank and can operate underwater + precision strike targets from 1km+ distance even on top or behind the target, the only tank that is close is the leopard 2 but unfortunately the leopard 2 has not had the greatest track record in actual combat

        >the only tank that is close is the leopard 2
        The K2 has always been a discount Leclerc with stuff on the top, and always will be.
        Its autoloader is literally a copy of the Leclerc's.

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Poland will be the spearhead of Europe when Ukraine falls, and is at the forefront of NATO. You better be wishing that they're better armed than an average nation unless you don't want to be the next.

          >KF21 max speed mach 1.8, max operating ceiling 55,000 feet, 11g+
          AHAHAHA 11G+
          Holy shit the delusion of koreans knows no limits.
          These guys think they're as good as Dassault now. Webm related. This is what actual aircraft manufacturer with experience and talent can achieve. Also daily reminder your indonesian "partner" bought 42 Rafale. Surely this won't impact their ability to get some KF-21.
          Now be a good boy and go buy more F-35s.

          The Rafale is to be introduced as a gap filler since KF-21 will only enter the service after 2026. KF-21 will take up much bigger portion of the air fleet.

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Lol keep coping while the muds gangbang your prime roast beef while you jack it off dreaming about it gay

          Literally every military in the world recognizes the K2 as the top mbt followed by the Leopard 2 and then the M1A2, the tech gap between these three is literally like an M1A2 versus a sherman tank when compared against the chieftain let alone the leclerc which is barely any better than the chit that china or japan shit out, the armata on paper is a legit rival to the K2 but in reality there are probably less than 100 active and they have no real support system to maintain it even in non-warfare systems versus a logistics/supply system for the K2 that literally decades ahead of the next closest rivals due to AI and robotics in their production system

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >Literally every military in the world recognizes the K2 as the top mbt followed by the Leopard 2 and then the M1A2,
            Source?

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            The zergling has been awoken.
            Bullshit numbers.
            You have no idea what you're talking about.

            https://i.imgur.com/Nyeymzg.jpg

            >The K2 has always been a discount Leclerc with stuff on the top, and always will be.

            The K2 wildly outperforms the Leclerc. The top attack munitions are a pretty big deal too.

            Waow top attack muniitons.
            Because Bonus is not a french round. Jesus Christ you guys don't know shit.

            Poland being a net beneficiary of funds doesn't make their GDP or population smaller.
            Considering they also plan to produce and repair these themselves, it can also be viewed as investment not just in defense but the economy.
            This is without even covering all the loans (including under lend-lease) they will be getting specifically for defense spending.

            Question still remains: where does the money comes from? I hope it's not freebies from Europe, or it won't work. At all.
            Poland has a frontier with Belarus, and Kaliningrad, and it close to baltic countries. That's the only points supporting its stance.
            Romania actually is more endangered by Russia due to Transdnistria.

            Poland will be the spearhead of Europe when Ukraine falls, and is at the forefront of NATO. You better be wishing that they're better armed than an average nation unless you don't want to be the next.
            [...]
            The Rafale is to be introduced as a gap filler since KF-21 will only enter the service after 2026. KF-21 will take up much bigger portion of the air fleet.

            >Poland will be the spearhead of Europe when Ukraine falls
            TOPKEK Ukraine won't fall.
            >and is at the forefront of NATO.
            Bullshit they don't participate for shit to joint operations or even to the QRF in any significant way.
            >You better be wishing that they're better armed than an average nation unless you don't want to be the next.
            Yeah right I think the french nukes got me safe anon. Since it's the only argument russians have anyway.
            The only poles who defend my country are those who joined the foreign legion.

            Lol are you a 10 year old playing vidya or just a retard?

            The dassault is not even f16 level let alone f15, there are literally 10,000+ fighter jets in operation today that would mog the dassault and only ~1,000 are considered elite of which less than 500 are truly next gen defined as possessing tech that makes it a 100% kill ratio versus anything else, the F22s are at the top of the food chain nothing comes close you could scramble 100+ dassaults and they would all be dead pigeons before an F22 breaks a sweat, then the K21 followed by the F35, the russians and chinese have some models on paper that appear to be in this class but in reality they are probably only 1.0 gen ahead of shit class fighter jets like the dassault or gripen, lol the dassault is literally only used by thirdies and ss african countries that have a choice between a dassault or a mig21 lol

            Lmao a zergling 12 y/o spewing BS calls me 10 y/o.
            >The dassault is not even f16 level let alone f15
            >the F22s are at the top of the food chain nothing comes close you could scramble 100+ dassaults and they would all be dead pigeons before an F22 breaks a sweat
            BWAHAHAHAHA
            He doesn't know.
            Watch zergling:
            Rafale MOGGING the F-16 starting neutral, 2013, Norway, NTM:

            Rafale MOGGING the F-22 in BFM Fox2 + guns, 2009, UAE, ATLC:

            This made burgers SEETHE for years, it never fails to do so. The damage control is always insane.
            What now, zergling?
            >and only ~1,000 are considered elite
            Who speaks like that? You're literally a kid.
            Learn your stuff maybe in 10 years once you're 20-something you'll feel stupid, if you survive the korean propensity for sudoku.

            >Do a barrel roll
            I am right now anon, out of laugher.

            • 3 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              >Bonus
              Did You just mistaken a standard NATO 155mm smart ammo for a tank round? You abysmal, cum guzzling retard?

              >where does the money comes
              We gonna finally taxate the foreign corporations. Such a T-Mobile, which earned staggering 12 bilion € in last decade, while paying 6 500 € (SIX AND HALF THOUSAND) of CIT in the same time. That applies to each and every corpo in Poland, btw. CANAL+ and Orange comes to mind.

              >Lmao a zergling 12 y/o spewing BS calls me 10 y/o.
              Hook, sink and liner. If he's ten years old then You must be fuming to fall for such a lame bait.
              BTW: haveserved anons here used to complain of certain French habit. Said habit included snatching every data possible during the exercises. That includes radar profiles, emissions, signatures - in such an abusive way, that would make Chinese blush and Soviets looks tame in comparison.

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >The K2 has always been a discount Leclerc with stuff on the top, and always will be.

          The K2 wildly outperforms the Leclerc. The top attack munitions are a pretty big deal too.

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Poland being a net beneficiary of funds doesn't make their GDP or population smaller.
          Considering they also plan to produce and repair these themselves, it can also be viewed as investment not just in defense but the economy.
          This is without even covering all the loans (including under lend-lease) they will be getting specifically for defense spending.

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >These guys are insufferable with their blatant disregard for european solutions
          you VILL accept ze morons and arabs, polackenscheiss!!

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          By looking how "prepared" German army is you if Poles won't hold the line your asshole gap will be be attacked unprotected before you will even see Russians

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >Russians can't even take Kharkiv
            >hurr durr Germany prepare for invasion!!!

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Germany will pay for it unironically.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Illegal eu transfer money aka german tax payer money

  5. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    They learned their lesson, never trust co called "allies".

  6. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Source? These are all just rumors, especially the FA-50.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      It's the most confident part of the deal since it's been informed that 8 TA-50 under construction which are ordered by the South Korean Air force are likely to be converted into FA-50.

  7. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Does Poland even have a structure plan? Buying shitloads of random gear might not be the bast call. What do they need and what does NATO need on the eastern flank?

  8. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Why does that shithole need so much AFVs?

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Open terrain, silly

  9. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >What's going on in Poland?
    Everybody is smelling blood in the water. Polacks are prepping to pacify the fractured east to become a regional east euro hegemon. Expect them to become increasingly active as cracks in Vatnikstan shitty ass "empire" become even more obvious.

    Same thing is going on with other actors in the regions: balts have been on a buying binge of weapons and equipment even before the invasion as they are prepping for muscovites last desperate attempt of getting a easy win to stabilize home, chechens the other day were requesting AA in a region that has no air activity. They want additional arms as they are prepping to fight other churkas in the upcoming caucasus wars.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Russia will nuke Poland if they invade

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        IM NOOOOOOOOKING

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Not if your NOOKS are scattered in a rebelling provinces with a general free for all going on. Think of the "federation" as a giant soviet glacier, forzen in time and formed from the Russian SSR. When the glacier starts melting and fracturing (which has already begun) there is going to be lots of chaos and kino going on.

        Poland will just be one of the big fish moving in on this chaos in part to control the chaos as well as to look to confiscate any of the big boy toys laying around, including nooks but also chem and bio agents.

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          you can fantasize about this all you want but even if Russia did desintegrate I'm pretty sure they wouldn't miss the chance to level Warsaw on their way out if Poland attacked them in the process

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            To then get nuked into oblivion themselves so no breakaway regions are left. Too bad, so sad 🙁
            Love how you vodkamorons talk so losely about nukes when you wont do shit anyways.

            • 3 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              you were the one saying Poland will invade Russia...

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                But it will 🙂

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                it won't, but it would be kinda cool if it did to see Polish delusions meet reality

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Okay vodkamoron 🙂
                r*ssian delusions already got bizarre when they entered Ukraine. So better shoot them in the neck while they are irrational like animals before their deaths.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                go ahead then

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                "G-G-Go a-ahead then" he says nervously. 🙂
                You won't do shit and likely a good chunk of those nukes will go off on your own territory.
                Oh and thats your future if you are not nuked. Wonderful, isnt it? Too drunk to realize he is getting fucked by churkas and dagestanis/chechens. My favourite pic to describe your utter shithole. Funny there are millions of people that still think r*ssia is a super power of any kind.

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Dude just give Królewiec and chunk of Belarus back to Poland and this can all be avoided.

            • 3 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              what can be avoided? Polish great power fantasies ending in nuclear hellfire?

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                The Poles are unironically the most Noble of the Slavic races and only their rule will bring about peace in the region.

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Russia's GDP is the size of the UK's (on paper). They only have ~250 warheads.
            Vatniks are loading washers into attack helicopters to take back home and they don't have toilets.

            Do the math.

            • 3 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              Russia's GDP is the size of Italy

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                lol even better

                Vatniks are sitting on no more than a couple hundred warheads. That one tank depot supposedly had 90% out of commission.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >muh noooks

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >Same thing is going on with other actors in the regions: balts have been on a buying binge of weapons and equipment even before the invasion as they are prepping for muscovites last desperate attempt of getting a easy win to stabilize home,
      we are going to BURY them and then BURN Petersburg and Moscow and salt the earth with radioactive cobalt

  10. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Oh it's simple we smell blood In the water. And waiting for an eventual chimpout from either lukashenko or xuilo so we can finish them off once and for all and you know go back to living peacefully till either another dictator pops up in Russia or China decides to test its luck with NATO

  11. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    it;s over
    any economists here? when will our economoy collapse? I'm sick of this retarded socialist country, I know, we have to be prepared, but all that shit is being bought abroad. And I don;t have to mention that this war is like it always used to be- peace time- fuck army, they can use t-72 and bmp-1 and su-22. Now, when russians by mistake attacked ukraine instead of this unprepared countr- oh we need ambrams, f-35, korean tanks and ifv etc.. fucking joke country. Fuck I;m sick of being cheap workforce for other countries. any anons here know where can I find a job with my not the best english and experience as road freight forwarder?

    >inb vatnik
    fuck off, I hope life in the apartment your parents bought you is comfortable and stress free

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >Works a dead end job
      >"hurr you must be all rich. Fuck the gubbermint! PO FTW!!!!111"

      commies deserve rope. Nothing else 🙂

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >Spending 4% of GDP is going to cause an economic collapse
      Not only is your english not the best, but also your economics and math.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      If you hate commies fren, just move to us

  12. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Preparing the military to defend the reunification of Poland, Ukraine, Lithuania, and Belarus into the Commonwealth against German/Russian aggression.

  13. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Source?

  14. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >Poles with NATO

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Post Snake Island
      Post Northern Front
      Post Moskva
      Post Odessa landings
      Post functioning air power
      Post intact ammo depots
      Post PGMs
      Post missiles that actually hit their targets
      Post Russian soldier that hasn't had their asshole resized
      Post negative HIV test
      Post relatives over the age of 70
      Post encrypted comms
      Post unexpired rations
      Post optics
      Post NVGs
      Post an AA system that hasn't routinely gotten dunked on
      Post living VDV
      Post sugar
      Post bread
      Post non defaulted currency
      Post domestic industry that can process raw goods
      Post domestic semiconductor industry
      Post what you think Russia will gain even if they control 100% of Ukrainian soil
      Post Baltic Sea control
      Post how much you've begged literal third worlders for your artillery shells back
      Post river crossings without double digit casualty rates
      Post aircraft not routinely dunked by MANPADs
      Post Post Hostomel
      Post sensor suites in a non potato resolution
      Post Officers that aren't dead
      Post a competent NCO corps
      Post Kyiv
      Post intact supply trains
      Post control of the Black Sea
      Post Russians being a-okay with returning to an pre-Industrial agrarian economy
      Post Finland and Sweden not being NATO members
      Post how you feel about being dependent on China and India
      Post crying babushkas over the losses of their sons
      Post the Oligarchs sitting comfy while they destroy the legacy of your entire culture
      Post how Russians feel about being viewed the world over as one tiny step better than North Korea
      Post police blackbagging protestors
      Post families being denied the money for the death of their sons
      Post literally any positive outcome Russian can expect to have even if they 'win'

  15. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >Poles without NATO

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >implying russian women wouldn't fuck them

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >Implying tatar women wouldn't eat him.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      *russians without nooks

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >r*ssians when realizing Europe is part of ebil HATO so they cant chimp out

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >Poland needing help from the US "military"

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Yes

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Its hilarious to post Chechen "troops" next to Americans because you can't have any crime record to serve in US forces while every Chechen must be pedophile/rapist and war criminal.

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          those chechens all look like a permutation of the average albanian/paki/turkish drug dealer you see in the UK

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Nah that's Germany your thinking of, we just have groomers here.

            • 3 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              we have loads of foreign drug dealers wtf are you on about

  16. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    [...]

    I don’t hate other Korea. But, if you buy Korean you’re getting inferior gear. Not Russian or Chinese inferior, but the reason why anyone buys Korean is to spend less and tech transfers off older / off-the-shelf components. The reason why they don’t protect their tech because everything is common knowledge industry stuff. Western manufacturers have tech they’ve developed with great expense and effort so they want to protect their competitive advantage. It’s too bad Poland is abandoning their industry to build Asian stuff.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      counterargument
      The west and allies spend a lot of r&d money on making the newest top of the line shit and then pump it out in numbers later
      korea designs gear around the stuff maybe one generation behind, for cheaper, without having to spend a bunch of money on r&d
      you're getting something heaps better than old/modern soviet gear for ultra cheap, along with knowledge and licensing of that tech
      it probably isn't difficult to create/buy upgrade packages once you have it, and its likely still within a range of 85-90% as effective as the cutting edge shit
      if you aren't america, meaning you're a broke bitch, it actually seems like a good fucking deal

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        What does korea produce that is one generation behind? Their tanks, ifvs, mobile artillery, assault rifle, fighter jets are the most advanced in the world

        The only comparables are in tanks with the Leopard 2 and fighter jets with the F22, but the US does not export the F22, no other fighter jet comes close to the K21 not to mention the complement of next gen drones that play wingmen to every K21

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Their jets aren’t comparable to western jets. Most notably the f35

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            KF21 max speed mach 1.8, max operating ceiling 55,000 feet, 11g+

            F35 max speed mach 1.6, max operating ceiling 50,000 feet, ~9g

            The only "advantage" the F35 has is that there is an extra compartment to hold air-to-ground missiles

            The F35 is a jack of all trades master of none, but the KF21 is an air superiority aircraft probably not as suited for ground bombardments but more so to rule the skies

            • 3 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              Max speed doesn’t determine a better aircraft. Feed me more delusion

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Lol you never been in combined arms operations, fighter jets are often scrambled with little notice, they are not taxi drivers hanging around air space waiting for something to happen 24/7

                So a difference of mach 0.2 is the difference between a toyota camry and a porsche 911, get to the fight quicker and complete mission faster, that's why you don't see any fighter jets that go 300 mph gay

                The next gen are researching ways to have lower outer orbit operations at 100,000+ operating ceiling so that the fighter jets can exceed mach 3.0+ or even mach 10.0+, in the air speed, stealth, precision, firepower is everything

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                The F22 is the most advanced in the world but the US does not export to any nation, even our closest allies

                But while the Kf21 was originally designed to be a modern version of the F16 the performance results indicate that it completely mogs the F35

                You are Intentionally not discussing sensor fusion and stealth properties.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                You are a fucking idiot just making shit up retard lol

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                How is that text relevant in any way? It just mentions work to integrate existing foreign missiles. Not addressing what the other anon said about sensor capability or RCS.
                It's estimated RCS is still higher than any US 5th gen fighter and they have yet to finish their first AESA radar attempt. Getting this far is an achievement, believing they've superseded the F-22 or F-35 is a delusion.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Hey retard, this isn't a videogame, the specs on your playstation is not reality lol

                There is a reason why countries that can buy any weapons systems in the world are chosing the K2s and are all salivating over the K21s, the only real export market challenge is the F22s but that is not going to be exported until a proper 6gen is available, keep in mind the K2s and K21s are actually the most expensive in their categories other than the F22s for fighter jets

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >There is a reason why countries that can buy any weapons systems in the world are chosing the K2s and are all salivating over the K21s
                Yes and that reason is because of a lower price, technology sharing and local manufacturing. Even the Koreans don't claim that its a 5th Gen competitor, marketing it to compete against other 4.5s like the Rafale and F-16s.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Are you a fucking retard? The K2 is literally the most expensive mbt in the world, the K21 is only exceeded in price by the F35s, you back to sucking on your black bf's bbc gay

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >K21 is only exceeded in price by the F35s
                Are you fucking retarded? Even a quick google search would tell you otherwise. KF-21s are cheaper than even Rafales. SK is building a plane Indonesia can afford because that's their main partner. You will never be bleeding edge with third world partners squeezing the price per unit.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >lower price
                K2 is at least 12 million dollars per unit according to OP's number.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                $8.5m, according to the Czech Ministry of Defense, making it one of the more expensive but not the most.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                I think that makes it the most expensive currently on the market. The Panther is going to be 12 million Euros per unit and the next gen Abrams will probably be a tick under $10 million per unit.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Abrams, at least the M1A2 SEPv3 models are going for the ballpark of $8-9m with Japan's Type 10 taking the cake at $15m though that can't be legally exported because they got cucked by their constitution.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Lol japan type 10 has 1200bhp and only 48 tonnes barely an mbt and uses a diesel engine like a typical euro car compared to the elite tanks using a gas turbine engine same as fighter jets

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >cucked by their constitution
                For now.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Yeah, but that figure doesn't include the same armor package and APS offered in K2NO.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Different configurations, a maxed out K2 is close to $20 million per unit

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >the specs on your playstation is not reality lol
                Suddenly published specs aren't important to plane performance? Or are you claiming the Korean specs are true but US specs are fake? Truly delusional.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                K21 mach 1.8, max ceiling 55,000 feet, 11g

                F35 mach 1.6, max ceiling 50,000 feet, 9g

                We can go into more details but its obvious you are just shitposting at this point, incels like you literally don't matter, its what is fielded and succeeds on the battlefield and where the top militaries are allocating their funds gay, again only thirdies use the dassault its literally meme level stereotype in the aerospace sector

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Lmao, this is just sad. Anon, others above have already said speed is not the most important factor, is every plane that is faster than the KF-21 instantly better than it?

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Wait until you see how fast an F-4 Phantom is.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Shit bro, I've got his ultimate fighter plane right here.

            • 3 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              F22 is much better than kf-21 so it’s doesn’t really matter. F35 absolutely mogs the kf21

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                The F22 is the most advanced in the world but the US does not export to any nation, even our closest allies

                But while the Kf21 was originally designed to be a modern version of the F16 the performance results indicate that it completely mogs the F35

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >Kf21 was originally designed to be a modern version of the F16 the performance results indicate that it completely mogs the F35
                Yes, the KF-21 with no flight testing or combat trials completely mogs the F-35, is the copium in Seoul kimchi-flavored?

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Never touched SK soil in my life, but everybody with inside baseball already knows this is the case not the least of which LM is providing technical support behind the scenes as well

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >LM is providing technical support
                Lockheed dropped out after the US Gov stopped them from sharing US tech. They would never compromise their relationship with the US military for a foreign nation, they make too much money selling to the US.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Lol says you incel? LM has greater loyalty to their shareholders than some mouthbreathing basement homo

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                You believe that the shareholders would risk losing their biggest customer over some kimchi flavored chinks? This whole thread is hilarious as we watch you reply like a schizo to different people.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Biggest customer? You realize that SK is the closest military ally to the US? On an intel basis UK is closer but on an actual military basis no country is closer than SK other than maybe Australia, and before you say Germany or Japan they were pet dogs kept on a leash as a perpetual mog from the ww2, one arm with a rifle pointed in the same direction as the krauts and japs and another arm with a pistol pointed at their heads lol

            • 3 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              Anon, you're not old enough to be on this board if you think speed is the key factor of an effective fighter plane.
              Do you also believe the MiG-31 with nearly double the speed at Mach 2.8 is the best fighter?

            • 3 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              >KF21 max speed mach 1.8, max operating ceiling 55,000 feet, 11g+
              AHAHAHA 11G+
              Holy shit the delusion of koreans knows no limits.
              These guys think they're as good as Dassault now. Webm related. This is what actual aircraft manufacturer with experience and talent can achieve. Also daily reminder your indonesian "partner" bought 42 Rafale. Surely this won't impact their ability to get some KF-21.
              Now be a good boy and go buy more F-35s.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Forgot the twitter link for sound and stuff.
                Taken in november 2019 during Dubai Air show, during the figure known as the "square dance". Pilot was Sébastien "Babouc" Nativel.
                >https://twitter.com/Amitraaz/status/1203283895321427974?s=20&t=cogoo3wtIAQ1Q5VlZZJBaw

                ?t=417
                6:57

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Lol are you a 10 year old playing vidya or just a retard?

                The dassault is not even f16 level let alone f15, there are literally 10,000+ fighter jets in operation today that would mog the dassault and only ~1,000 are considered elite of which less than 500 are truly next gen defined as possessing tech that makes it a 100% kill ratio versus anything else, the F22s are at the top of the food chain nothing comes close you could scramble 100+ dassaults and they would all be dead pigeons before an F22 breaks a sweat, then the K21 followed by the F35, the russians and chinese have some models on paper that appear to be in this class but in reality they are probably only 1.0 gen ahead of shit class fighter jets like the dassault or gripen, lol the dassault is literally only used by thirdies and ss african countries that have a choice between a dassault or a mig21 lol

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Do a barrel roll

            • 3 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              K21 mach 1.8, max ceiling 55,000 feet, 11g

              F35 mach 1.6, max ceiling 50,000 feet, 9g

              We can go into more details but its obvious you are just shitposting at this point, incels like you literally don't matter, its what is fielded and succeeds on the battlefield and where the top militaries are allocating their funds gay, again only thirdies use the dassault its literally meme level stereotype in the aerospace sector

              Repeating something doesn't make it true.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Retard this is public info gay go back to dilating I can guarantee you that you are in a country where there are trannies in high ranking positions the military based on your gay tier logic lol

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >Retard this is public info
                Fucking ESL, read what I said again. Saying speed makes it a better plane does not make that true, take your meds and cope, seethe and dilate.
                In case English is still too difficult for you, 대처하다, 동요시키다, 팽창시키다.

            • 3 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              K21 mach 1.8, max ceiling 55,000 feet, 11g

              F35 mach 1.6, max ceiling 50,000 feet, 9g

              We can go into more details but its obvious you are just shitposting at this point, incels like you literally don't matter, its what is fielded and succeeds on the battlefield and where the top militaries are allocating their funds gay, again only thirdies use the dassault its literally meme level stereotype in the aerospace sector

              What the fuck am I looking at? Is there some new meme about the KF21 I don't know about? How does speed and altitude translate into superior combat performance? This is worse than Russians and their "supermaneuvrability".
              >its what is fielded and succeeds on the battlefield and where the top militaries are allocating their funds gay, again only thirdies use the dassault
              So where are the top militaries which rely on fielding Korean tech? If your "top level" military can't develop their own gear, its not top level. Finally, the KF-21s are literally developed for third worlders like the K-50s. That's how Indonesia ended up as their main partner, and they sure as shit ain't a "top level" military.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      No one else will technology transfer to Poland, so even if Korean tech is slightly behind it is the best deal for Polish industry to have a solid starting base.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      K2, K9 and Redback are top of the line vehicles.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Lol this is incel tier retard

      SK is on a wartime footing, they produce the most advanced tanks, ifvs, artillery, fighter jets, and submarines (which are already retrofitted to slot in nukes)

      They do protect their IP probably more so than most countries but the reason why they enter into these agreements is that only a few countries can actually mass produce advanced weaponry successful, if somebody hands you a manual that shows you how to build a ferrari can you and your incel friends produce a single functional version let alone thousands? lol

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        In reality the K2 is likely sub-par. An old generation chassis with a body kit turret. All of those sensors, dispensers, FC computers, loaders, engine, etc, are all off-the-shelf industry components — and all tied together in a rudimentary manner. There’s no way they spent the 10+ years of intensive integration work + endless testing to debug it all. Who pays for it? American MIC gets government money to do all this hard work thereby reducing their exposure to massive financial risk if the orders don;t come in, there’s show-stopping problem.

        This 55t tank is going up against proven heavy hitters like M1 (70t), Leo2A7 (66t), Challenger 2 (75t) and Merkava (65t).

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Is that why the few K21s they deployed for field testing in ukraine mogged everything at comic book level kill ratios? Places like poland and turkey witness this first hand other than you that read your dungeons and dragons book, a squad of 10 K2s could take out 100+ of any of the mbts you listed without a single casualty

          The only exception is the M1A2 which has depleted uranium armor similar to the K2s, but the K2s have the most advanced targeting systems and can literally precision strike at 500m+ gap closer than the next closest rivals (other than the armata), walk 500m+ in battlefield terrain, a challenger or merkava wouldn't even see it coming and even in closer range their rounds would literally bounce off the K2s, its literally like comparing 10 pounds of titanium versus 100 pounds of concrete lol

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Countries that use the dassault: france (never won a modern war and is batting zero against first world nations world renown for their penchant for surrendering before drawing blood, simply not a combat species), egypt, india (because the US won't give them even f16s/f15s let alone the f35), greece (phasing out due to getting the f35), qatar (rumored to be phasing out replaced by the kf21), sporadically used by sub saharan african nations

            Nobody believes their sticker price, the aerospace sector estimates its probably closer to $30 million per unit when all is said and done gay

            Come back when a first world military that can not only buy anything but has the clearance to purchase the best cutting edge fighter edges buys a single dassault lol

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >There’s no way they spent the 10+ years of intensive integration work + endless testing to debug it all.
          Redback had no problem with competing with the Lynx in a competition and was shortlisted as a finalist for the Land 400 Phase 3 by the ADF despite it being developed within a time span of less than a year.
          >Who pays for it?
          Actually, the development cost of K2 has been fully covered by the Turks buying out the design for their Altay project.
          >This 55t tank is going up against proven heavy hitters
          K2NO has a combat weight of 61.5 tonnes and compared to the latest KF51, which has a combat weight of 59 tonnes, it's actually slightly heavier.

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            There are field tests and then there are also combat situation field tests, arms export market knows where to see all of the best stuff in live action

            Weight has absolutely nothing to do with armor and even less to do with combat capabilities, keep in mind the K21 has 1500+ bhp same as an M1A2 and more protective armor capabilities than any mbt except the M1A2 (which is the only criteria the M1A2 is the best in the world)

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      They're also opting for KM-SAM with new AESA radars that can detect and track ballistic missiles. UAE has funded the project so that the first battery can be delivered starting in 2024.

  17. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Their birthrate collapsed hard and are in demographic freefall. They will most likely attack Russia and maybe other counties for clay as a final goodbye for the rest of Poland because Europe ain’t doing better.

  18. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Post phone built without Korean tech

  19. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Rheinmentall will not recover

  20. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    [...]

    Lol retard detected, K2 also happens to be the most expensive tank and can operate underwater + precision strike targets from 1km+ distance even on top or behind the target, the only tank that is close is the leopard 2 but unfortunately the leopard 2 has not had the greatest track record in actual combat

  21. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >180 K2 MBT(to be delivered until 2024 in the same configuration as K2NO, likely for urgent needs) - $2.2bil
    I got to say, if they end up ordering the K2 in norwegian config BEFORE i get to actually finalize the NO config....i will be really impressed and somewhat frustrated

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Actually the number 180 came right from the order placed by the ROK army earlier this year. So they're hardly likely to have any effect on the Norwegian bid.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        180 K2s is enough to give Poland parity to something like 900 T90s, the parity ratio for K2s mbts is generally 1:5 T90s, 1:3 Chieftains, 1:2 M1A2 and 1:1.5 Leopard 2s

  22. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    I don't know but I'm afraid of filling up my car, they gonna hike up the gas tax like crazy. Thank god I don't pay other taxes

  23. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    [...]

    Go back to sucking your black bf's cock gay lol you are getting moody without your daily dose of black cum up your shithole lol

  24. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    They realized they need to speak a little bit less softly and carry a bigger stick.

  25. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >What's going on in Poland?

    If Russia does go to war with NATO, Poland is likely going to be the hardest hit country in NATO.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      As they always are.

      Are Poles literally every going to catch a break in the entire history of Europe? They're some of the only people on Earth who are actually as shit on as they claim to be.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >Are Poles literally every going to catch a break in the entire history of Europe?
        Last time was the 1920s and they used that to wage war against all their neighbours but Germany.

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Akshully at that time we were fighting against German Freikorps in Silesia.

          https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Silesian_Uprisings

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Around polacks, never relax.

            • 3 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              Not at all, magnanimity, congeniality and hospitality are our second nature. Januszerka is first ofc, but hey, nobody`s perfect.

  26. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    [...]

    The K2 and Redback are some of the most advanced armored vehicles in the world right now. Only the new Panther, and likely the yet unveiled new Abrams are more advanced. The only better IFVs than the Redback atm are the Lynx and Namer, but the Redback actually has better tech than either for now. The K2 for Poland actually has substantially heavier armor than the Korean army version too as Korean bridges have lower weight limits.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      How does the driver get in or out?

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        This is what the typical /k tard thinks that the most expensive mbt in the world has no ingress/egress options

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          I meant it as a legitimate question. I'm sure there's a way in or out, I'd just like to know what it is.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >The only better IFVs than the Redback atm are the Lynx

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Borsuk scored 30 points because they didn't get the documentation. The 30 is for swimmability.

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          So at least we know that Borsuk swims. That's a relief.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Redback won the land 400 trial fuck face, you just need to accept and move on.

  27. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    They exist extremely close to Russia. If you have the means you would be insane not to arm up.

  28. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >They're literally bagging every weapon they can get their hands on recently. What's going on in Poland?
    All of this will go to Ukraine or replace stocks going to Ukraine and the EU and NATO and USA can keep doing this forever, every single day Ukraine gets stronger, Russia gets weaker. It has only just begun.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      They are not going to give the good stuff to ukraine, not the least of which SK who is integrated with the US, will pull out, ukraine is getting chit tier cannon fodder crap to play the part of meat shields, poland is building up a world class defense system that even russia is not stupid enough to challenge on a conventional basis, the real line in the sand is poland and beyond arming with the latest advanced tech will be where the good guys will use nukes if crossed

  29. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Fuck America, Russia, and China. They all suck. North Carolina used to be cheap man.

  30. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Don't worry guys. Tusk and his pro-German liberal government will most likely win the next elections and they will cancel 80% of those purchases, because "it's a waste of money".

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Yeah, this. I can't see Poles actually going through with it all, it's going to be cancelled sooner or later, especially if Russia stops posing a threat.
      Support for all this militarization is going to stop once someone from the media finally asks "uh... where exactly are we getting money for this from?" and PIS has been wildly unpopular for a while now, considering all that stuff about breaking their own constitution.
      Hell, if Russia stops posing a threat I can see US just cancelling whatever Abrams didn't make it in time, no point wasting it there when you could go to Asia with it and fight the Chinese.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Yeah, but every Polish analyst, military advisor and general keeps saying that it is a long-term project and we need those purchases, because Russia will never stop being Russia and they will be back to their old ways in 10 years. We've royally lucked out this time around, but next time we might not be so lucky and we need an army.
        But knowing our politicians, I can see the opposition party shutting it all down once they get into power. Because it was started by our rival party and they are never right, let's scrap all of this and start anew.
        That's why we never got anywhere in 30 years, because our politicians are spiteful children.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >and PIS has been wildly unpopular for a while now, considering all that stuff about breaking their own constitution.
        You'd be surprised how little we care about this whole constitution thing. The Western media are making a bigger deal out if it than it is in reality. The same can be applied to Germans and French notoriously breaking their own constitution.
        And PiS is going away. We are in a curious situation, that while they are still controversial, they are still a better option than those other guys, because at least with PiS we kinda know what we are getting into. And they can step up their game when they need to, as this Ukraine conflict has shown.

  31. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >48 FA-50(8 of which will be delivered by the end of this year) - $2.6bil

    I thought they went went that shitty Italian-Russian, subsonic thing as their advanced trainer?

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      They only got like a dozen of them, and FA-50 can actually supple as a light fighter.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        They should have just gone with the superior option in the first place and saved themselves the problem of a messy supply chain with overlapping aircraft, But I guess it's better late than never!

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          I dont want to be that guy, but what does a light fighter do (aside from pilot training) that a drone doesnt?

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            The FA-50 is a supersonic light fighter that can pull similar G's and altitude to small fighters comparable to the Gripen and will be BVR capable in the next block as well as having a AESA radar.

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            FA-50 with the AESA upgrade and BVRAAM integration proposed right now is actually superior to some versions of F-16 and enough to supplant current Mig fleets. The plan will be approved as soon as the ATT program moves on where the T-50A with an AESA radar from Raytheon is offered to the US Air force.

            • 3 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              There is also a Korean made AESA radar made by LIG Nex1 (in partnership with Saab IIRC) available as well now.

              I wonder if Poland will jump on board the KF-21 too

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Its the biggest thing in the military a&d industry would not be surprised if it ends up being the best export fighter jet

  32. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    That's nice.
    But what about Borsuk?
    >In b4 it swims

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Borsuk is still happening. Redback will be supplementing it in various combat situations.
      Presumably both will use the same turret for reduced logistical strain.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        That's going to be some Frankenstein's monster.
        I hope Redback is going to use Borsuk's turret then, because that fucking turret is the best thing about Borsuk.

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >That's going to be some Frankenstein's monster.
          not really

          >I hope Redback is going to use Borsuk's turret then, because that fucking turret is the best thing about Borsuk.
          That's the plan.

  33. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Germany will spend 100 billion. The Polish economy is about 6 times smaller than Germany, so actually this 15 billion is in the same ballpark for them. Almost exactly. Except that the Germans will spend it on socks for their soldiers and radios and stuff like that, cos that's what they're missing.

    >What's going on in Poland?
    Russia is waging wars again, and is threatening Europe, as you may have noticed. Europe is rearming in response.
    Poland just donated most of it's old equipment pool to Ukraine, and they need new ones.
    Germany has typically armed "the rest of Europe", but they have proven to be an unreliable partner. They are going out of their way to please Putin and to sink Ukraine, even down to nitpicking petty shit, like "Oh no, you have a German engine in your SPG. So you can't donate it to Ukraine, our engines should not go to war". And everyone sees this, and they will consider it in the future. If Poland builds out an industry for heavy equipment to provide alternatives, it's likely that the smaller nations will buy from them this time, seeing how Germany keeps trying to stop countries from using the weapons they bought from them. And Europe is rearming. This is a big market.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      German government really fucked this up, they had a golden opportunity to build long lasting deals with central Europe based on their military and nuclear industry and they fucked both purely for ideological reasons. German autistic pacifism makes me sick.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >German autistic pacifism makes me sick.
        It's not pacifism. It's opportunism masked by pacifism. Going against Russia is simply not in Germany's interest and they are looking for every argument to sit this conflict out and do nothing.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        They have been fucking up for 20 years. This war is just the straw that broke the camel's back.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      I wonder how much German reliability will tank after this war, if any. I assume most of Eastern Europe would try to find a way to distance themselves from them, because relying on them in a time of crisis is like waiting for a heart attack.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Where can I find out more about the Krab thing with Germs holding them back over engines?

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        It wasn't Krab IIRC, it was K9 chassis in general. And it's an old story. In the end Koreans just went "fuck this nonsense, we will build a new engine ourselves".

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        it's just another Polish lie about Germany.

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          fuck off germ schizo, it's been one of the major reasons why koreans stopped using german engines

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            the problem was that Germany doesn't want to sell weapons to Saudi Arabia, who's leader had one of his critics journalist dismembered alive, you fucking liar. Koreans don't give a fuck. Germany doesn't withold anything from Poland.

            • 3 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              Okay, I conced the point about K9s, but to say 'Germany doesn't withold anything from Poland', is also false. Just look at the modernization of Leopard 2. It took years for us to get an agreement to start modernizing them ourselves.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                that's an issue of the private companies responsible, not the government

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                You know full well defence contractors are directly linked to the government. Why are you lying?
                If it wasn't for your government, KMW wouldn't give a fuck about exporting weapons to even Iran. They already proclaimed they are willing to export several types of vehicles to Ukraine, but have been blocked by the government.

                Why are you so disengenious?

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                no, Rheinmetall and KMW are not government owned, stfu.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Well, there should be no problem if they, or MTU exported hardware to SA, no?

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >German government can do arms export restrictions
                >this means private German companies can't deny/fuck up arms deals even if there are no such restrictions
                flawless logic. Perhaps KMW or Rheinmetall simply didn't want to do a technology transfer to maintain their source of income by doing uprades themselves. There are np German arms export restrictions towards Poland, stop acting like there are.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                You're full of shit.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >no more argument, just seething
                not surprised

                I guess the refusal of the German frigate offered to Poland recently was due to evil German arms embargoes too

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >haha guys we didnt refuse any arms sales to Poland
                >They just keep delaying it until it would be effecitvely too late to get them

                The eternal kraut. But I am calm since I know your banana republic wont exist in its current form for long. Bayern and Würtenberg is rightful Austrian and Swiss clay.

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >no arguments
                >no sources
                >retarded delusions about map redrawing and partitioning Germany

                yup, it's a Polish incel

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Keep coping my guy 🙂 Just an opinion coming from someone that follows your circus that is called the Bundestag and the European "Parliament". Any more ad homs left, Mr. I vill let my daughter be raped by coons and be happy about it?

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                What were you expecting from poolacks my friend. They also deny that Hitler wanted reached out to them and wanted to ally with them, as well as that they started ww2 by invading Germany

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >polan is chokefull of armaments and nuclear capabilities, everyone buys weapons from polan

      My country will become a second Israel, and its a good thing. Im gonna change my name from Janusz to Jankiel.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        And here we have a proof that poolacks are worse than garden gnomes

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >germany must be doing these things, and if anybody tries to take our spot in weapon manufacturing or nuclear sharing then they are DA JOOOOOOOS
          germoids are garden gnomes

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            You are subhuman filth that needs to be enslaved by Germany ÜBERMENSCH and work you to death

            • 3 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              based Serb that emigrated to germany and lives out of social welfare

            • 3 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              Lol krauts literally got mogged by russia and currently being culturally enriched by 20+ million darkies overrunning the place like they own it, ngl almost feel sorry for krauts and nips literally a castrated people, thats what they get for being losers I suppose

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Fuck off poolack

            • 3 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              Da evil joos controll banking, millitaries, politics and the internet
              >That somehow makes us goys the master race
              According to 4chan garden gnomes are the master race Hans

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Cope and seethe, we Poles are the G*ds Chosen People, the New Tribe of Israel, which makes you germs new Arabs, especially since you are already browned and the most popular german name is Mehmet.

  34. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >What's going on in Poland?
    they realize they will need to invade Western Ukraine before all of it falls into Russian hands

  35. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >Designed for Australian conditions, named after Australian spider.
    How will this perform in polish conditions?

  36. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    germs are spineless gays who spearhead the importation of nig-nogs and towelheads into Europe

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Stop living out of german gibs you poolack gay

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >still posting that shit chart

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Because that chart is true and your chart is poolack cope

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Hungary has 10 million population. Poland 40 million. Do your math fucking retard.

            • 3 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              So does Portugal and Greece btw

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Every euro spent in Poland is one euro less on importing morons into europe
        You should thank me for my service, germoid

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >implying that Hans Müller doesnt want to see his waifu gangbanged by AIDS-ridden nafris

          top jej

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        https://i.imgur.com/CM3WnHF.png

        >still posting that shit chart

        Because that chart is true and your chart is poolack cope

        So does Portugal and Greece btw

        Hungary has 10 million population. Poland 40 million. Do your math fucking retard.

        >The story rich western European countries tell themselves is a nice one: They are generous souls helping out their poorer eastern neighbors, who rely on EU subsidies and the goodwill of the EU’s so-called “net payers.” They also like to paint these countries as ungrateful aid recipients, pointing to the Euroskeptic rhetoric of leaders such as Hungarian Prime Minister Viktor Orbán and Polish leader Jarosław Kaczyński.

        >But the larger macroeconomic picture tells a different story.

        >Contrary to popular wisdom, most of the money in Europe flows from East to West, not the other way around.

        ...

        >"I see this dynamic in person when I am at home in Romania, where the local supermarkets belong to French-owned chains like Carrefour or Auchan. My phone operator is French. The water coming out of my tap is provided by a French company. I also pay my gas bill to a French multinational — through a French-owned bank."

        >The flow of wealth from East to West can also be seen in the brain drain of skilled workers the region has experienced — a hefty price that doesn’t show up on the EU budget negotiators’ Excel spreadsheets.

        >Take the health sector for instance. No EU funds make up for the 10 percent of Romanian doctors leaving the country every year to heal patients in the West, for example. The country has already lost half of its doctors between 2009 and 2015. Shortly after Poland joined, over 60 percent of fifth- and sixth-year medical students said they planned to work abroad; in Bulgaria that figure went up to 90 percent.

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Cope poolack

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            post passport

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Both sides benefit you idiot that's the entire point of EU. This is a concept Russians apparently can't understand.

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Yes, of course that's why posting this

            https://i.imgur.com/g4RSM08.jpg

            Stop living out of german gibs you poolack gay

            "EU funds" meme is false, reality is more like this

            https://i.imgur.com/CM3WnHF.png

            >still posting that shit chart

            Where can I find out more about the Krab thing with Germs holding them back over engines?

            another? and first was that germany did not want to give tanks? Or that poles demanded Leo A7?

            German offer was 20 tanks, 1 per month

            pic rel
            https://twitter.com/RKiesewetter/status/1549343142717100033

  37. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    It warms my heart to see Russoids and Germoids cope

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      I never thought I'll live the day when Adrian would be considered a chad.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      In next 5 years you poolacks would be erased

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >2 more weeks is now 5 more years
        keep coping

  38. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    And Ottokar-Brzoza apparently has been greenlit, so you can add tank destroyers into the mix.

  39. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >What's going on in Poland?

    Death to Russia at all cost
    t.moderate pole

  40. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Redback is totally oversized and bloated

  41. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    "Look mom, another Polish visegrad24 thread."

    Money aside, how is Poland supposed to maintain such an army?
    Hundreds of leopards, hundreds of M1A2, hundreds of K2, same with artillery systems and IFVs. This is a pure logistics and maintenance nightmare, having to order spare parts left and right all over the world.

    Not to mention the Polish armed forces only have 120 000 active troops. 150 000 with the reserves
    How in the world can Poland man all these tanks with an army smaller than the French Ground Forces alone (130k troops)????
    I heard about the possible increase to 300k, reserve included, but it still sounds far too small, as it still includes the navy and airforce.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Uhohhhhh. German seething detected. Too bad I didnt read hahahahaha

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        You have to be over 18 to post here.

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          But if I am over 18 thats ok, right? Just asking since g*rman burreaucracy would say no considering it is pants on head retarded 🙂

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Thread derailing is a vatnik tactic, so I'll just go and say you're a vatnik.

            • 3 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              Cool story bro. What am I next? A north korean? Nigerian? From Togo maybe? Or what country will suffice that you can sleep better at night? Either way. Germans get the bullet for sucking r*ssian cock. Ungrateful cunts cannot even pay for their soldier but have the biggest mouth of them all. Not for long 🙂

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                what is it with your hardcore projection and power fantasies? please have sex

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Just the truth, bro. Cry = free. Let it all out. The high taxes, the morons and muzzies, the commiefucks in your Bundestag, the non-existant army, the ever-crumbling EU, the seething about your backstabbing of EE for some gas and oil. Choose your topic and let it aaaaall out 😉

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                if I want to hear seething I just talk to a Pole

              • 3 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >seethe
                >cope

                You only need to use "dilate" once more and I have a bullshit bingo!

  42. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    they know the russian tiger will raise its eyebrows and soil itself so they want to be ready for the shitstorm

  43. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >still no source
    i don't understand you, moronshill

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      The number has to be split between AS21, K9(A2), recovery and support vehicles. Since they all share the common-ish chassis.

  44. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >Poles will also retire the Leopards

    oh no no noHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA Achmed cant build tanks anymore! It is official!

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