Deputy Prime Minister
: What has just happened is an order for 1400 BWP #Borsuk . This is the largest project of the Polish armaments industry. HSW are plants that produce modern and proven weapons.
Have we learned anything new about it? The poles have been very tight lipped during it's assessment.
I have a strange infatuation with this goofy looking IFV.
All we know so far is that it's chunky. Oh, and it can swim for some reason.
It destroyed Redback in trials.
>goofy looking IFV.
Take that back you son of a whore.
I love it
Side armor has been measured as 8mm + 10mm steel plates so its only resistant to 7.62mm AP from the side and probably rear
they used some fancy very durable steel that's why its thin in the pic. its resistant to 12.7 mm when fired from 100 meters at 90 angle (so directly at borsuks side) and 14.5 mm at 30 angle from 200 meters. front armor can survive 30 mm..
t. le wolski
>they upped it from 1000 to 1400
>moron shills with the their IFV totally going to Poland on suicide watch
that and trying to build up their own heavy industry, which is a good goal tbh.
It’s 1000 IFVs and 400 auxiliary vehicles built on the same platform.
Jezus do polaks want to conquer europe?
Its being made to replace bmp-1s
Don't worry about it
It's "just" an IFV, Poland initially got 1400 BMP-1s.
They have stated as their objective to be the main conventional military power of the western coalition in Europe bar the US
Extremely based if true. Better to have a masculine, anti-leftist country be the military head of Europe than some faggy Western European country.
this thread is about poland thou
My statement was regarding Poland.
>Better to have a masculine, anti-leftist country
unfortunately the political classes in poland are truly abysmal so the place will stay an underdeveloped semi-shithole
The Judeo-Bolshevik influence is being removed, so things are improving.
nothing's being removed, nothing's improving. it's the same shitpit as 20 years ago and it'll probably be the same shitpit in 20 years
Hello! Janusz Kurwowicz from Podkarpacie oblast XD. kys demoralization troll. Your parents are black and likely siblings.
i wouldn't worry about it
I wouldn't worry about it, Hans. You guys are friends, right? You share a border and a history of peaceful cooperation, don't you?
>Jezus do polaks want to conquer europe?
Poland gave away hundreds of its active service BMP-1s to the Ukrops, and the Borsuk program will still not replace all of the legacy Soviet shit 1:1.
Poland needed a BMP replacement 25 years ago, so this is very late, but welcome anyway. Just glad they didn't buy some Korean piece of shit again, but the Borsuk will use some automotive components from the Krab/K9 program, like suspension.
>1400 will not replace hundreds given away 1:1
Are you retarded or something?
I meant it won't replace all of the BMPs Poland used to operate.
Poland had 1409 BMP-1s made for it during the cold war, and still had 800 operational by 2022, so 1400 Borsuks will replace all of them, so i don't know what your talking about
There will also be heavier ones, based on a Korean chassis (maybe the Krab one?) with the ZSSW-30 turret. I think that units armed with Abrams will also be operating the heavier IFV.
No, Just Belarus and Russia.
No, of course not. There's no reason to worry.
dont worry about it.
no need to worry yourself about it
Wszelkie pogłoski o nadchodzącej polskiej inwazji są wyolbrzymione, nie ma powodu do obaw.
don't worry about it
APCs are not worth investing too much into. Just look at Ukraine to see where most of them end up.
As a Pole I must say our current goverment is very good at ordering big numbers of stuff and then realising thatit cannot be done. Sometimes because they ordered something that doesnt exist!
You mean Puma? Deliveries would take 20 years with the current rate of production.
Its not even true, you never made any effort to check.
i mean, russia has warned you that poland is going to invade ukraine but you didn't listen now look
good, better that they build it themselves than buying moronshit. Still they should've stuck with Leopard 2 than going with K2 for the MBT, which was retarded.
krauts are terrible at producing Leo's after the cold war. We cannot even finished our Leopard 2PL convertion because rheinmetall is too lazy to deliver chassis and shit
I am Polish and I expect my government to deliver a final solution to the Russian question.
I feel so bad for average Polak that will have to pay for all that crap.
First Soviets and Warsaw pact now this...
Anyone young should leave while they still can and move to burgerland or somewhere.
Hello comrade Januszowicz from Podkarpackie Oblast! I too hate Poland (rightful Russian land) and I agree we all should leave. But! Not to facist Americans, no! To Russia where we can work hard for the Putin, the savior of Christianity!
>(rightful Russian land)
Like Russia left Poland on their own how shit Poland is.
Let that sink in Wojcik.
>USSR starts to liberalize the tiniest bit
>Poland immediately starts agitating for independence
>leaves the Warsaw Pact
>everyone else follows suit
Hope they learned the lesson to never go soft again.
russians don't use 'the', there isn't an equivalent
>my country is shit, better move elsewhere and shill from abroad
That retarded east euro logic.
I'm from Croatia anon.
>I'm not Eastern European, I'm from Croatia!
East europe is whatever was behind iron curtain.
>germany is eastern europe
Burger Anon, you have no idea... even to this day the germans distinct their country between post-soviet eastern germany and western germany. The east has high unemployment rate, low wages, low productivity age population - a ton of housing remains vacant since germans from the east prefer to migrate towards western/southern germany.
Young Poles will use all the tanks and IFVs to move abroad and get their lebensraum.
>I feel so bad for average Polak that will have to pay for all that crap.
I actually dont mind my taxes going for military hardware. Especially domestically produced.
Now absolutely disgusting commie gibs to buy retards votes that actually ruin our economy? Thats what im mad about.
> Social stimulus... le bad
Deal with it
Is it just me or does it look stupidly tall and flat in front?
It's hardly even sloped. frontal armor better be thicc like latino womans ass.
Tell me Im wrong.
>2015 240.28 bn USD
>2021 362.89 bn USD
i would assume its because of "IT MUST SWIM" requirement
>f "IT MUST SWIM" requirement
I thought IT MUSTS SWIMS is a stupid requirement, but given all the problems Orks have crossing even smallest rivers & other water obstacles, where even the tiniest mobile bridges can be leveled in minutes, I have to agree with Polish brass-fags.
I dont and Balcerowitz should be publicly executed, but I do KNOW our fucking debdt has skyrocketed since gov. started printing & throwing money like monkey throws during covid "epidemic". And then gigantic military spending kicked in and doubled that.
Come on, even the Germans are dropping barely legal €200 bn supply to keep their unsatiated business competitive
>Mfw the proposed Bundeswehr 100bn stimulus gets axed
>He still believes in Soros-Sachs plan for African countries
Don't be shy, post the debt as percentage of gdp
Poland's generals back in 2012 when the concept of new IFV was shaping up were full schizo about it needing to be able to swim for some reason so that funny big flat front was shaped more to work like a boat in the water than with protection in mind. It's still a little bit angled and not completely flat I guess.
it was reasonable at the time, when most of the units were in the western part of poland and everyone expected russia to actually have an army capable of destroying every bridge on vistula if needed
Polish army keeps this requirement to this day though. They justify it by saying that Ukraine is just one giant flat piece of steppe while in case of Polish-Russian war the main battleground would be Belarus/North-Eastern Poland which are hilly regions with a lot of wetlands, marches forests and lakes.
>about it needing to be able to swim for some reason
>tfw you're ready
Serious question: 40mm Super Bushmaster or 40mm CTAS ?
>poland will conquer binland and make krauts pay for it
the simulation is breaking down ever since Harambe
Mine protection + swimming. According to wolski it can protect the crew against russian tm62 mines. Frontal armor can stop russian 2A42 and 2A72 30mm canon using 2ubr6 and 3ubr8 ammunition.
too bad wolski is a retarded shill, mentioning his name alone puts you in the retard basket.
>implying listening to a guy who before the war was selling some medical supplies for a living
the whole fucking OSINT influencers community is cancer
same goes with geopolitics
fuck wolski fuck bartosiak fuck them all
If you're saying source X is shit without naming a better alternative, I assume you are a FUD-spreading shill and your "better alternative" is Konashenkov.
It’s weird how 100% of poles are unaware that barbers exist
The fuck is a barber and why should I care.
Too bad i don't take anything posted by a random number generated on a mongolian throat singing forum seriously. Especially of anons telling me whom i should and whom i shouldn't listen to.
economic illiterate pisoid detected
Quality seething, but I'm not giving (you) for seething
Why though? Money spent on defending the country from Russian aggression would be money well spent, especially something domestically designed and produced.
If you sum it up it is a massive amount of money way above Poland's yearly budget reach but the payment will be spread out to like 10-20 years so it's some small % of yearly budget in that case. Also add that Poland has way cheaper labor so anything that will be produced in Poland is automatically way cheaper and the wages will circulate back into Poland's economy. They also had a pretty big economic growth for past 30 years, now it slowed downed due to covid and war but it will probably bounce back to 3-5% yearly growth in couple of years so the growth will pay for military spending.
i emigrated from poland to germany cause i was lazy fuck that ended high school and had no propper contacts that would help me get somewhere, germany was the obvious choice for a nice and stable life, i still love my country, despite it acting somewhat retarted at times, but i dont see myself living there, im still fucking happy tho that my country is starting to enter into good times zone, and i would want my kids to live there once we get the ball rolling, me also being half germ half polak [el mieszaniec dojebaniec], dont feel like a germ despite living here for 10 years, i will never be "propper germ", despite having german blood, and i will always feel as a pole that emigrated for monetary gain,
P.S. fuck anyone that came here for half a year, goes back to poland and tries to impress anyone with broken german, fuck me you bros are retarted as fuck " i started to integrate into german society therefore i started to forget polish words" bro fuck you
do you have funs in DE?
>funs in DE
average hans aint that bad, got couple of frens here, got a stable job and tbh i cant complain, other than that, i drive on road-bike and holy shit, germany has lots of good bike lanes
i tend to sometimes forget a word, but its very rare, i dont make a fuss about it, i call myself retard for forgetting occasional words, other than that i work with my brother and other polish brethren under nice company, i tend to mindfuck myself whenever i have to use more than 3 languages at once and i need a solid minute to adjust my mind to it, currently im learning ukraino / russian cause i found gf here in germany that is from ukraine, sumski region ,and she figured it would be easier to learn russian rather than ukrainian, cause every ukie will understand me, but if we encounter a russian, he would fuck all understand me at all, so 4 languages, and i want to learn spanish next or other someshit language
i just remember where i came from, know the history but dont hold general grudge to people, except russians, they sent at least 6 of my familly members to gulags, fuck em, but i can still talk to reasonable one that can hold a conversation without being a mouthbreather
>average hans aint that bad, got couple of frens here, got a stable job and tbh i cant complain, other than that, i drive on road-bike and holy shit, germany has lots of good bike lanes
by funs i meant weapons
i want to do hunting license so i can have funs, until then, noguns :C
>i started to integrate into german society therefore i started to forget polish words
that happened to me with english despite actively living in my country of birth tbh
it's rarely an issue but it does happen, especially when you're looking for a word that just doesn't exist in my first language
>it's rarely an issue but it does happen
you're just an illiterate dumbass
read more books duh
I read a lot but it's all in english. Getting a remote job where I use english as well was the final nail in the coffin.
You're a struggler, anon
>Leopard 2PL convertion
Akshually, the hull is copyrighted by KMW. And KMW took the Apple pill and told us straight to pay up for Leo 2A7 instead. So we went to RHM, lured by the advertisements, like some stupid morons.
The current clusterfuck is everyone's fault, lackluster maintenance leads to additional wear and tear. And that leads to additional costs nobody thought of during negotiations.
There's also tell tale of first iteration of applique armor failing against 125mm sabot with Israeli projectile ...
I don't mind the M1A2 SEP3 that Poland has signed up for, but I wish it used a diesel engine. They should have insisted on this. I know there are existing Abrams diesel conversions already fully designed and spec'd out and ready for production.
Don't Abrams already have a multi-fuel engine?
I don't think the Honeywell turbine can burn diesel, and it's still a turbine with huge consumption.
> The M1A2 Abrams is powered by Avco Lycoming (now Honeywell) AGT1500 gas turbine engine, developing 1 500 horsepower. Essentially it is a modified helicopter engine, adapted for use on tanks. It is a multi-fuel engine, which can run on any grade of petrol, diesel, aviation fuel or kerosene.
will it run on vatnik's tears? i suppose not but maybe it does
Still shitty consumption vs. diesel motor. There's a reason no one in the world uses these on anything except ships and aircraft.
It can indeed burn diesel, but it will use more than double the amount of fuel the L2 engine uses. The L2 engine is multifuel too by the way.
The reason why you haven't forgotten many words from your language is because you haven't integrated at all. You probably have very few German friends if any at all and you still consume Polish media more than German.
I bet your German is broken as fuck even after 10 years.
>you probably have very few german friends
just a couple of them
>you consume polish media more than german
partialy true, only that i dont watch tv, and dont browse polish websites when im looking for some info
>i bet your german is broken as fuck even after 10 years
didnt went to language school, but i managed to learn it on my own, its not perfect, but it aint broken as fuck
I'm completely fine with my money spent on the Army. That's much better than feeding the retarded lower class.
Wypierdalaj kacapie, the military aid to Ukraine is literally the second thing the pissoids did right.
i think borsuk is a cutie
Good in the sense that they are developing their own industry. But how many batallion equivalents are we talking about in the polish force design?
24 mechanized batallions.
6 Divisions, 4 brigades each,4 battalions each = 96 battalions + support = 96 BTG
18-20 armor - 4 m1a2sepv3 + 2 M1A1 + 3 K2 + 4 Leo2A5/PL + 5-7 K2PL produced in the future (300-500)
16 APC mechanized - 7 Rosomak-hitfist30 + 9 Rosomak-zssw30
24 IFV - 18 BWP Borsuk + 6 BWP heavier Borsuk K9 chasis
12 Aeromobile - aw149 + W-3 Głuszec + ah64 + Aero + paratroopers (6th elite brigade part of NRF)
some BTGs on titus6x6/griffon-like vehicles in the future
all this with WOT light forces of local defence (e.x. Warsaw Wot Brigade with 3 btn)
realistically - 50-70 full combat readiness BTGs, quite strong force considering it will have NATO air force coverage
The question is if we can afford this...
Indeed. That’s a huge force. What budget is Poland going for, 4%?
Keeping training going and to a decent standard alone will be a major challenge.
>The question is if we can afford this...
We can and everyone who says otherwise is a retard who never saw debt to gdp ratio. It could be financed ONLY by loans and the ratio would still stay below most european countries, with increased spending on military it shouldnt be a problem at all. And it aint possible to just say "lol no" to the modernization program anyways, sooner or later it has to be done so its better to do it with huge orders like that to bring the overall cost down.
You literally can’t.
>6% is a lot
my brother in christ don't check the inflation rate we have
And you somehow believe that bond yield and inflation vary independently?
Polish 10 year yield has a 400 BP spread over Bunds, debt financing your army would be a very dumb idea.
>- 4 m1a2sepv3 + 2 M1A1 + 3 K2 + 4 Leo2A5/PL + 5-7 K2PL
all because too butthurt to use Leo 2 like all other Europeans
All purchased tanks will be eventually upgraded to M1A3 and K2PL standard. While Leopards will either gifted to Ukraine, or moved to deep, cold storage
is the "PL" deal even signed yet? I've read talk about how Koreans aren't giving you the license unless you buy 500 K2s made in Korea first
>Uncle in the rank of colonel (retired)
>Literal communist glovies grooming millennials on the social media
Stay the fuck away from polish mil bloggers, they've got no access to actually important people. Therefore they're fucking wrong 95% of times, but too stupid to admit it.
>Therefore they're fucking wrong 95% of times, but too stupid to admit it.
wolski is wrong 100% of the time it would seem
Only Abrams and K2 will be left in few years.
Unfortunately, Leo has more logistics and maintenance in Poland already than Abrams will ever have. But time for joint production with Germoney long passed, it should have been done in 2010-2016 so there might be first tanks produced from 2020 on. Maybe when goverment changes in october there will go back to leo bot i doubt it
kek, there will be many leo2 still in 2035 maybe some more from Switzerland or smth, it would be extremely stupid to give Ukies only working modern tank in polish armed forces. u get updoots on muh twitterinho and destroy your army capabilities for decades, there is 14 armor btn in pol armed forces and im not sure if even half of them have some tanks at the moment
>u get updoots on muh twitterinho and destroy your army capabilities for decades
these capabilities are only for destroying russian tanks
what is the need for them if ukies destroy these tanks for us?
No one is going to need Leo2s with Abrams and K2s bro. Poland can now exploit its goodboy status with the US and order as many tanks as they want(with standard armor I might add). The only reason they didn't order more is because morons proposed a better deal.
Polish Leopards will probably all get sent to Ukraine or be placed in reserve once all orders are fulfilled.
>The question is if we can afford this...
Probably but it's an enormous amount of money to throw on deterrence. Poland isn't murrica, there's next to zero profit to be made from all this gear. It's not like they'll go blow up some brown country either, or even gain leverage over their neighbors like Turkey can.
You short-sighted idiot, Poland has more to gain from having a strong army right now then perhaps any country that isn't at war.
Why? Because we can't flip Belarus to our side if we can't guarantee their security afterwards.
>Because we can't flip Belarus to our side if we can't guarantee their security afterwards.
Not happening without a war unless russia balkanizes, which is extremely unlikely
Uplifting of Belarus would require an pan-european effort
I bet these subhumans will bankrupt themselves over this and come back crawling to Germany asking for more money like the dogs they are. I hope Germany says no and we left them on their own to be swallowed by Russia once they're done with Ukraine. Pollack subhumans deserve nothing else
post german passport
the only subhumans are russians.
They'll just get more gibs from the US/EU. They can't have their Eastern flank be weak can they 🙂
>Bankrupts itself building military
>Proceeds to invade the germs
A man can dream
You will pay for every single one Kraut
>once they're done with Ukraine
Ah yes a completely organic post trying to start shit between Poles and Germans.
Okay I want to know why there's always one poster starting shit with Germany and Poland. Do the two hate each other or is it just some schizo anon?
Butthurt Krauts upset that their defence industry is dying because they're governed by a Green Party (ZOG puppets) and sabotaging their military and economy.
So it is a schizoanon. Why do you hate Germany and Poland?
>Greens get blamed for yet another thing destroyed by the CDU
They can't keep getting away with it!
>Be German "Green" Party
>Shut down emission-less nuclear power plants because you're afraid of Tsunamis in Japan
>Start burning lignite coal just like in the 19th century
Russian shills are paid to increase tensions within EU - this might be one of examples of this - its easy to trigger autists on both sides
Yeah, I wish got paid to talk shit the pathetic nu-Germany.
As a Pole: there's historical shit between PL and DE but it's mostly gone and buried.
Then there's the retarded PiS government stirring anti-German sentiments because the next elections are this year, they can't exist without an enemy, and Russia is no longer a convenient target because pretty much everyone hates Russia so you can't make political capital on that.
Then there's Russian shills actively trying to inflame that even more to divide the EU/HATO/whatever, because the more we
squabble, the less we do against Russia.
>But with some other allies, our relationship is difficult, isn't it?
>The direction of foreign policy is right. And most importantly: we operate effectively. We were able to put pressure on Germany - such as tank deliveries to Ukraine or the Patriot anti-aircraft system. Of course, Berlin will not forget this. German pressure on Poland - exerted also through EU structures - will accompany us for years. You have to be aware of it. However, our strategic goal is to keep Ukraine alive and guarantee its security. If they sleep peacefully in Kiev, so will we. So we should not look at the possible political costs in relations with Berlin, because if Ukraine collapses, it will be a catastrophe for us. We have other priorities and concerns than Berlin's dilemmas. Germany is a key economic partner for us, but its political stance is due to tardiness, harmful to Poland, the EU and NATO. If the German authorities are unable to make the right decisions on their own, we cannot accept this state of affairs. It is the richest country and the largest economy in Europe. It is high time that they even lead the actions of the EU and NATO and lead by example. Meanwhile, it is impossible to avoid the impression that we are dealing with a German donkey that has a taste for Russian oats and we have to force the stubborn animal away from the manger. The attitude of the German elites is not only insufficient on many issues, it is also irresponsible. It seems that the Polish authorities are aware of this and indeed pursue a very active policy in this regard. It will cost us in the future, but these costs will be nothing compared to what we would have to bear, if Russian soldiers stood on the Polish-Ukrainian border. We can't let that happen.
>We were able to put pressure on Germany - such as tank deliveries to Ukraine or the Patriot anti-aircraft system
not that I disagree with most of what you quoted but poland didn't even manage to stop nord stream, they sure as fuck can't get those dumb krauts to send tanks to ukraine (especially with france also being friendly to russia for months after the war started and even now being rather tepid to piggers)
I don't think Pistorius would agree with You, not with all the not-so-subtle jabs toward Leopard2A4 coalition.
Ah yes actually organic mutts can't understand that Poles still hate Germany for what they've done before and how they call the shots in the EU
>Poles still hate Germany for what they've done before
nobody that's below 40 really cares anymore
>and how they call the shots in the EU
95% of the time nobody has an issue with it outside of nord stream (obvious reasons) and importing browns to europe
>nobody has an issue with it outside of [Germany causing existential threats to Poland's existence]
yes, that's my point. the vast majority of what germany's pushing for is 'whatever' for poland
now that russia is being buck broken and will be even less of a threat it'll mostly be the ruling schizo party screaming about germany to score political points (think brits a decade ago) rather than any animosity
people moved on past ww2, simple as
last people remembering German aggression are dying out as theyre 90+ at this moment - and most 50+ years olds still remember Russian Friendship that ended 30 years ago...
and there are no weekly tv programs in germany that call for eradication of Poland - we receive gibs instead...
so while nobody really hates Germans there is universal hatred for Russia
czemu wypowiadasz się za Polaków jak jesteś jebanym tuskoidem?
bo 95% Polaków ma gdzieś ksenofobiczne mendy które chciałyby z nas zrobić Koreę Północną
dlatego platforma przegrywa wybory za wyborami i przegra również te?
za co lubisz niemców?
ile osób głosuje na niepodległościowe rosyjskie marionetki na prawo od Pisu? 2-3%?
wierzysz naprawdę że banksterzy z PIS chcą dobra czegokolwiek oprócz swojego portfela? - Kradną bardziej bezczelnie od poprzedników którzy tłumaczyli się z zegarka za 15 tysięcy -dla PISu dziesiątki milionów za niezgodne z ordynacja wyborcza wybory kopertowe to nic ważnego - respiratory od nieżyjącego handlarza bronią też nie lepsze a teraz jeszcze dotacje na miliony na fundacje słupy założone kilka dni wcześniej....
przypomnę że PIS rękami Obajtka przelewał miliardy co miesiąc Rosjii za ropę - i przestał tylko dla tego że kurek zakręcili...
Obajtek did nothing wrong. You economically illiterate imbecile will never rise above JDG, so you can't possibly fathom the unholy network the man managed to untangle. Free of shackles, Orlen shall become our East India Company in my lifetime.
Za chwilę okaże się że 35% ma inne zdanie i głosuje na PiS, a 50% ma wyjebane. To jest to twoje "95%" zgadzających się z tobą.
no wybacz ale jeśli ktoś tą marionetkę Zoga uważa za wolnościowców to współczuję - na jak długo zamknęli Polskę mordując przedsiębiorców? i po co? żeby wyprodukować ponad 200 tysięcy nadmiarowych zgonów? przelać miliardy na konta big pharma za szczepionki którymi wyszczepili miliony Polaków? czy może po to żeby skoczyć na kasę zawieszając kontrolę wydatków? że zapytam kojarzysz może kto był prezesem Banku który namawiał ludzi na kredyty frankowe? naprawdę wierzysz że wszystko co przekazuje propaganda TVP to prawda? oni nas powoli zamykają w więzieniu - telekomy teraz trzymają twoje połączenia i smsy, prokuratorzy czeszą bez kontroli konta bankowe podczas gdy sami przewalają miliony na lewe fundacje założone na znajomych tydzień wcześniej... to ma być ta SPRAWIEDLIWOŚĆ? to jest taki sam totalitarny badziew jak w PRLU gdzie były partyjne pany i niewolnicy
Aha, czyli zamiast na pisiorów, mam głosować na zamordystów, którzy chcieli jeszcze większe ograniczenia wprowadzić? Tak w ogóle, to wracaj na 4chan a nie trujesz deskę o militariach offtopem.
>importing browns to europe
That goes beyond all the reason needed
Where birth rates collapse garden gnomes screech that immigrants are needed to sustain the population, even though they're a tax burden who's given free housing and other welfare. 500+ is far better than blacks and Muslims being imported like everywhere else in the western world
>500+ is far better than blacks and Muslims being imported like everywhere else in the western world
>typhus is better than cholera
both are shit.
500+ doesnt work, even piss admit it. Unless you count killing economy and feeding inflation, then yeah, it works pretty well.
Betting that Poland will get mass produced modern IFVs before the UK will ever fix the Ajax properly.
Where the fuck do they get all this money from for all that they've been ordering
Weapon procurement representative guy just made and official statement that apart for light IFV Borsuk that can swim soon there will be contract for heavy IFV that will be based on K9 body (the same that was used in KRAB production) and with the same remote turret that is on Borsuk. Actually pretty decent news, Koreans tried to hardcore lobby AS-21 Redback IFV as a heavy IFV for Polish army but our soldiers took it for 1 hour ride and turned out it's a complete shitbox.
Fun fact: with the garden gnomes garden gnomeing over the Spike LR missile, the officials are willing to fit the ubiquitous Javelin into the Borsuk's double launcher.
At least, until indigenous Moskit is ready...
>Koreans tried to hardcore lobby AS-21 Redback IFV as a heavy IFV for Polish army but our soldiers took it for 1 hour ride and turned out it's a complete shitbox.
Actually, it was the abysmal Israeli turret.
All this Polish arms spending is utterly fake mark my words. They’re going to scam SK so hard, maybe they’re going to try and scam one another, maybe SK isn’t retarded and are on the lookout for East Europeans trying to run a scam on them,
SK is scamming Poland, not the other way around
Yeah, that is why Poland has been producing KRABs on Korean K9 body for past 8 years and Koreans are willing to cooperate with Poland more because Poland has been scamming them lmao. have a nice day shill
moronbros, not like this. First the danes, then the arabs and now the poles.
Most important question is, do borsuks bite just like bobers?
I think that all those procurements are not only for poles but also for ukrainians and belarussians. Imho they’re making this a down payment on rebuilding commonwealth.
Either that or polaks are prepping for occupation of russia
Oh man, the descendants of Himmler are absolutely SEETHING for being overlooked in the biggest European arms program in 30 years...
Get fucked Bernd.
How long until it gets shot to shit by some goatfucker with a PKM on some new overseas adventure, and they bolt 10 tons of applique armour onto it?
It's impervious to at least 12,7mm all around
All-around protection against .50 caliber HMGs at 90-degree angle of incidence @ 100 m.
All-around protection against 14.5 mm @ 30-degrees @ 200 m.
Also STANAG 3 level of mine protection, which is higher than Leopard 2, Abrams and K2 against a Soviet TM-62 mine exploding right under the hull...
That's a very respectable level of protection for a swimming vehicle with all-steel construction.
Nice try gay.
>Nice try gay.
Imagine getting upset at someone poking fun at a nonexistent vehicle.
This has happened to ever single armoured vehicle, they always get heavy and bloated because their armour is obsolete by the time the R&D cycle is finished, because either the weapons have advanced or the user has moved on to fighting different kinds of wars.
Unlike the AS-21 Bareback, the Borsuk does exist and is ready to go into mass production. It's the heavy IFV that is just a concept at this point.
The deal also calls for 500-600 heavy (non-amphibious) IFVs based on a new hull from the Krab/K9 program...
This is pretty interesting, has there even been a prototype of this shown? Is it like the Anders vehicle that was demonstrated a few years ago?
no, the tech demonstrator should be ready within a year
>The deal also calls for 500-600 heavy (non-amphibious) IFVs based on a new hull from the Krab/K9 program...
It was already confirmed that the hull will be further modified KRAB hull and not Redback's hull. Also the heavy version will have the same Polish turret as Borsuk not that Israeli-Korean once Redback has.
>the hull will be further modified KRAB hull
So, wait, wtf... this will become a reality???
I hope the heavy IFV version has APS. No point of giving it extra armour without APS protection.
It's going to use automotive components from the K9/Krab and the same Polish ZSSW-30 turret as the Borsuk, so you can fuck off with your AS-21 Bareback vaporware shit.
>Biggest land forces defence contract since the end of the Cold War in Europe
>Does not involve Krautshit or moronshit
>Most of the design is indigenous with a few Western components like the 35 mm cannon, garden gnome ATGMs and US powerpack.
No wonder the shills are upset. Poland stronk.
Latest word is the Polish MoN told the Germans to fuck off and they'll be going with a US trannie. Pic unrelated.
>us build diesel
engine is from Rolls-Royce Power Systems AG - that does not sound very USian - transmission probably means gearbox
the funniest thing is MTU is owned by Rolls-Royce
Which in turn is owned by international investment entities. What’s your point?
yeah, American and British entities. germs don't own Rolls-Royce, that's for sure
I do not think that you understand how transnational investment works. Just because an investment vehicle is registered in the US doesn’t mean that it’s shareholders are Americans.
cope, germ. your media are all "american" (garden gnome) owned, too
Odds are, those investors in RR are Arabs, Russians, Changs or Japs.
yeah, they would let a strategic part of the economy be owned by arabs, russians & changs lol
It’s a publicity traded company, anon.
Causeway Capital Management LLC 748,562,716 8.95%
Harris Associates LP 417,543,090 4.99%
Hargreaves Lansdown Stockbrokers Ltd. 274,050,000 3.28%
The Vanguard Group, Inc. 268,819,181 3.21%
Massachusetts Financial Services Co. 261,984,274 3.13%
Capital Research & Management Co. (Global Investors) 247,430,637 2.96%
FIL Investment Advisors (UK) Ltd. 237,068,185 2.83%
Templeton Global Advisors Ltd. 219,890,166 2.63%
Abrams Capital Management LP 187,462,000 2.24%
BlackRock Fund Advisors 185,678,000 2.22%
Do you know who holds shares in all these entities?
Needs integral drone launch system.
Bolting this thing on the other side of the turret shouldn't be a problem if there's a demand for it
Where the fuck is Poland getting the money for this huge military expansion?
EU, so mostly Germany, Dutch and Nordicks.
No, it has nothing to do with the EU.
Poland is a successful economy and they also print money as crazy and pay for it with skyrocketing inflation - this is from my limited understanding.
basically this - its basically second Turkey at the moment
You do realize Poland is like the 20th world economy, right?
NO, it's not, you idiot.
Poland has a pretty robust economy. Even more so now that they are the main pillar of support for Ukraine and will be responsible for reconstruction contracts in Ukraine.
Badly needs APS.
bursuc sounds better
Took them some time. He primely failed anti-mine tests since delay but now it works after they blow up first 4 to pices on mines. Now it can withhold TM62 directly under hull. Good anti mine protection.
Fun fact - ABC protection
It is big - swimming requirement is a bitch. On the other hand limiting weight will make it mobile on field.
30mm is enough for everything rus have and this IFV will meet. Plus Hunter-killer system at least on par with Leo2A5 and better optics.
Frontal armour able to hold russian 30mm. More then good for river crossing IFV.
Still doesnt solve the extreme manpower issue with the army
they will draft zoomers after elections in this year
Poland will not have time to finish any of these procurement projects. As soon as Ukraine is finished they will get maybe 2 years of breathing space, tops.
more like two weeks
>soon as Ukraine is finished
Lmao, looking at progress at Bahmut, Ukies will hold for 20 years then
In the current moment, Japan and Poland are the only countries that get it.
Everyone else is like nothing bad can ever happen to us, nothing has changed, we don't need to be prepared.
Poland getting ready to go to take those WW2 reparations from Germany regardless if the Germs approve of it or not.
Poland lives right smack dab in the deepest trough of the uncanny valley that lies halfway between completely irrelevant microstates and banana republics on the one end, and actual sovereign countries on the other.
You don't begin to imagine how tiresome it is to be Polish.
Please launch the missiles and put us out of our misery Mr. Putin.
>its another d&c thread to agitate germs and polaks against each other
>pissoids fanning the flames
every time. every time you retards fall for this.
Oh look, arsonist firefighter spoke out
Pisoids and East Germans (80% of the shitflingers) are same people, culturally and genetically.
Gib Berłin then XD
By all means, make a big subhuman preserve out of Berlin (inb4 it already is), ship all the sovietized subhumans there, cordon them off and let them kill each other for all I care.
looks like low-cost lynx