You have been drafted. You have no option but to fight against the Russians but through some paperwork mistake, you get to pick which brigade to join. Which one do you pick and why?
Pick your brigade
You have been drafted. You have no option but to fight against the Russians but through some paperwork mistake, you get to pick which brigade to join. Which one do you pick and why?
where are Spanish Leopards, Leopard 1a5, M1117, Spartans and Italian donated M109
hmmmmmmmm...
Read the god damn chart, there are 54 tanks labelled 'Tanks [xxx]' which is clearly where they will go.
>33BDE over 82BDE
28 MBTs and 90 MRAPs plus 12 SPGs vs 14 MBTs, 90 APC's (assuming Strykers are the APC variant), 40 IVFs and 24 SPGs
>24 SPGs
The M119 is a towed, 105mm howitzer.
the one with Leopard 2A6, although more heavily protected troop transport would be nice
That brigade gotta go fast. No time for tracked troop transport.
Unit insignia is wrong
For me it’s 47 BDE. But let me me uoset a few people and reiterate that the tanks wand IFVs will mesh together and spearhead the operation. The APCs will be in the rear shuttling infantry to the front. They will not act as standalone units.
82th LETS FRICKING GOOOO
Why such a lightly armed element?
>lightly armed
it has a lot of artillery, has a nice balance of some very good tanks, IFVs and APCs, and simplified logistics.
We all can see the 47th is the armoured punch here, anon, you're only pointing out the fricking obvious
Kek why is the same guy so butthurt about 82nd ?
You linked 2 of my posts? I’m not butthurt about 82nd I’m just discussing it with other anons. It’s not particularly stacked so I wanted clarification on why that anon was calling it stacked
>115 of the best protected thermal equipped AFVs in Ukraine isn't stacked
Yeh, best go with one of the other BDEs with the MRAPs and T series shit boxes kek
Strykers arent the best protected and marders lack the ability to engage heavy armor. The Stryker is an APC through and through.
>>115 of the best protected thermal equipped AFVs in Ukraine isn't stacked
Not when there’s units with 100 bradleys and other units with 32 leopard 2s
>B-but Bradley's!
Sure thing they will be trundling along at 5mph while the rest of the brigades are engaging kek then 50% of them will be rekt by a guy with a basic b***h rpg
Why are you so mad at objective facts?
>1050 dismounts with Javelins not legacy TOWs
>14 Challenger 2s not legacy T55
>90 fast mine resistant APCs
>40 IFVs to back up the dismounts
Anon 47th would get smoked by 82nd it wouldn't even be a contest.
I was unaware that every dismount in the 82nd was issued a javelin and none of the dismounts in 47 get one. What numbers sheet are you working off of
>legacy TOWs won’t delete Russian armor from 4km away
That’s a bit of a reach. Alternatively, the 82nd has (0) vehicle mounted ATGMs. Sure they will deliver some dismounted atgms close to the front but that’s it
Oh shit it's warriortard! Sup guy did you make this thread too?
This cope won’t work. I’m not warriortard and don’t care about your gay little fued. I was directly replying to what you said about the dismounted javelins and legacy TOWs. I was right when I said that legacy TOWs will be fine against Russian tanks just as they have been in the past.
Relax warriortard, it's only the 4th thread you've been bullied in today.
Bradley's aren't very well protected and are super vulnerable to mines the TOWS are decent but this isn't the Gulf with endless LOS there use is limited. I predict many will be lost.
It's obvious why the Bradley has been put with the T555 and M109. It's because it's so fricking slow it wouldn't be able to keep up with the other BDEs kek
You seem to have a personal stake in this whole thing. The Bradley’s will be fine. They’re way better protected than strykers so it makes sense they’re using the Bradleys on the front.
>well, problem X is bad, but anti reaction to the problem is so much worse, amirite fellow posters?
>please ignore how X was going on far longer and is far worse on average, we must accept counter reaction is soooo much worse
>Warriortard was going on far longer and is far worse on average
you're quite right there, but you are also rapidly getting on my breasts
especially when you accused me of being warriortard
I can forgive the misunderstanding obviously since I know I have no concrete way of proving I'm NOT him, but your obstinacy is still extremely annoying
That was literally my first post in this thread, buy yeah, you aren't really convincing anyone when you are a.) showing enough familiarity with the topic, but somehow try to twist it upside down and b.) you aren't really distancing yourself at all from warriortard and mostly just whine about anit-warriortard instead. Imagine how often warriortard has already done something like this in the last year and then you can think you can convince anyone with something like that, especially people who had encountered him a lot before? It's sadly not that simple. Think for a second, it's not so hard to it figure out, instead you go for the first low hanging fruit and make the situation worse for literally everyone involved except for warriortard.
Inb4 hateful reply with basically no substance. Yeah, we also had seen these before, we aren't your enemy, my friend.
>showing enough familiarity with the topic
any single one of us here who likes IFVs has had dealings with warriortard
>but somehow try to twist it upside down
I don't know in what way, but I don't care either at this point
>you aren't really distancing yourself at all from warriortard
as I said, there's no way I can do it with concrete proof, unless you want me to sage warriortard threads with a tripgay
>and mostly just whine about anit-warriortard
I watched you and other anons b***h back and forth and ignored the sidetrack, until at some point you roped me in with them simply because I made a post about THE FRICKING THREAD TOPIC which you didn't like
>you can think you can convince anyone
I couldn't give a shit at this point, least of all for you
don't bother replying, or if you like, go ahead and have your last word, I'm done with you
How about you tell them, you aren't that schizo warriortard, actually distance yourself from what he does and says, condemning what he does, etc.
Yes, it's that fricking easy.
This whole notion of "it's not like i could have done anything different" is too cheap and just looks like an attempt to opt out of the discussion.
Why don’t you just ignore warriortard all together and post on topic
Because it doesn't stop you or anyone else from making the same easily-avoidable exact mistake again, and to be clear, what you did it makes you real vulnerable and exploitable for fake attacks by warriortard.
This is getting out of hand. You need to stay on topic and everyone will ignore any warrior is bad posting. Do we have a deal? Can we continue to discuss the Bradley in context to the thread without you mass replying that it’s too slow for an armored assault
Yes, this is getting out of hand from your side. You acted clumsy, you asked what you could've done diffrently, acting like there is literally nothing you could've done, but when you go an actual answer you instantly blocked it off.
And instead of accepting it, no matter how obvious and logical it is, YOU are continuing to actively ignore the answer you got asked for, just to not accept it. This isn't normal behavior, this is like three red flags waving at once.
*you asked for
>The Bradley in this thread
Just stop, it's not even in good tier on the list. Please when will the fan girling end its so cringe.
So we can’t discuss the Bradley because you aren’t a fan. It’s weird because the Bradley is directly relevant to the OP
just filter the phrase warriortard and never have to deal with this actual gorilla Black person trying to drag you into his autistic crusade again
I got a simple question for you: If your approach doesn't go well with posters hating warriortard, and also doesn't go well with warriortard pretending to be an anit-warriortard, how good is your approach actually? Maybe think about it for a second.
With the add-on on the turrets the T-55 look like cute tiny baby Abrams.
The problem you’re having is that you think everyone is the same guy
Where is it wrong though? And don't get me wrong, but one guy taking over for the other after he lost the argument is getting a bit stale after a while.
*brofistbump*
There is this weird line in this kind of discussions, the second it gets crossed by one of the odd defenders getting pushed into a corner, every further discussion is blocked off and weird bystanders appear out of the woodwork to nitpick and derail about this and that, only so the status quo doesn't change and people keep making it easy for people like warriortard. It's a bit uncanny how some posters seem to have real problems for simply solutions for their problems and actively ignore them.
The simple solution is to wordfilter "warriortard" and stop derailing the entire board with your autistic crusade.
Yeah, that's why i replied to the posts, the whole thing is very unnatural and some actors in the discussion act rather uncanny. I get that people can be stubborn, but that? That's just arguing with an hidden agenada in the back of their head and it doesn't even match with what they say.
>please remove all warning signs for a known shill and make it easier for him to operate
How about no? What you need to do is to actually make him distinguishable from others and making sure bystanders don't fall into traps, which are laid out by him.
You are as disruptive to the board as "warriortard" or even more so. We go through this every fricking time some autist decides to go on a personal crusade against another autist. We went through this with armatard before he was drafted and died. We'll go through this in the future, too, because autism is a closed circle. Derailing entire threads every time a topic is brought up to witch hunt for your perceived enemies is actually way, way more annoying than one moron obsessed with clip loaded guns.
No, the real disruptive factor in this thread was the anon, who was unable to take the simple precautions of distancing himself from warriortard, acted like there is no solution to the problem and then actively tried to ignore when a solution was given to him, like he's trying to shut it down to maintain status quo.
>who was unable to take the simple precautions of distancing himself from warriortard
Nobody but you cares. You aren't going to wrangle anons into signing some Great Warriortard Declaration of Disavowal or whatever dumb Black person shit you think is a prerequisite for you not derailing threads. It's literally that simple. You are the problem. You've derailed this entire thread without Wario even being here. You did that. Not the other anon. Not your autistic nemesis. Have some fricking internal locus of control.
What does distancing yourself from warriortard mean? This all started because people were talking about the Bradley and then you came in screeching. Are we not allowed to discuss the Bradley fighting vehicle? No one has said anything about supporting warriortard. We don’t like either of you
Since you are the only one that seems to even ask reasonable to a point, you are the only one getting an answer.
Bad approach:
>>You are warriortard!
>Oh no, i'm not warriortard, you anti-warriortards are so bad, actually so much worse than warriortard himself, you frick up every thread.
Would this convince any anti-warriortard or how would this stop warriortard pretending to be an anti-warriortard?
Better approach:
>>You are warriortard!
>Why are you confusing me for that idiot, who had fricked up threads with his bullshit for over a year? Is he currently active?
You feel the distance?
dedicing you get to dictate how anons tell you to frick off and flying into an autistic rage if they don't massage your ego just right is "respect my pronouns" tier and you can frick right off with it
Anon, no one is stopping you from doing something stupid, it's just a suggestion and it was asked requested.
If you wanna keep status quo for whatever dubious reasons, than change nothing, but don't expect any other outcome.
Btw, forget to add: I only came here after the whole mess has started, so spare me of your accusations.
unironically frick off
It's not only that they do it, but how they continue to do it and how much effort they put into it.
The approch of the anon who started the whole mess doesn't go well with anti-warriortards and is easily exploited by warriortard, so what good is it?
You have to respond to multiple posts at a time because you’re being ganged up on. No one in this thread is on your side.
The anon who started this mess is the one screeching autistically about their nemesis. Not the one who wanted to talk about IFVs in an IFV thread and got dog piled by autistic morons on crusade. Why are you physically incapable of accepting responsibility?
You came into the thread spamming Bradley seethe despite there not being any warrior related posts in the thread. Are you confusing everyone that recognizes Bradley is good with warriortard
No, check the post right above yours, the first sentence, you posted yours so close to it there is no way you could've seen it.
I like how protected 82nd is the Marder and Strykers rushing in to ferry dismounts to the objective Marders doing support work while the Challengers have over watch along with the 118 light guns.
Oh are you a Challenger 2 enjoyer as well? You know they will get prio from the vayniks second after the bradleys
Nah it will be
>Leo
>Chally
>Bradley
I haven't seen any Russian seethe about Bradley's really
How would challenger get to the front lines when it’s with a rear unit by default? Do you think armored personnel carriers operate on the front? Holy shit lurk moar
>99x M2
Still can't habeeb it tbh
This is the most stacked unit. 99 Bradleys is fricking insane. I thought there’s split them into 2 seperate units but they went all out
I'll say 82nd is the most stacked (dependent entirely on what the Strykers are equipped with).
No way. The strikers would have to be armed with javelins but we all know it’s remote .50s. 99 Bradley means 200 TOWs ready to fire at all times. 99 chain guns to chew up concrete block and light vehicle. 82 has 40 unstabilized 20mm and No mounted ATGM support. 82 does have 14 tanks but 14 tanks can’t compete with 100 bradleys
I’m going to have to agree with anon. That amount of TOWs is obscene.
I dunno senpai. There is also 105mm, TOW, Stinger, 40mm grenade launchers, 30mm cannons and other loadouts for Strykers. Which is why I said.
This is by far the most dangerous formation.
I hope they shoot the leaker BTW. That is on the table for what he's done no? Russians will now know what unit is where by what vehicles are around and visa versa. Any way they could obfuscate that without a lot of confusion? This page is by far the most damaging to the Ukranians and US IMO.
Rather risk it with a lighter, but Western armed brigade
For me, it's the 117th; the Bandvagn.
LMAOO imagine signing up for the Big Push and becoming the small dick guy driving the bandvagn
thinking your goin to Valhala in the glory of battle, die from a vehicle mine driving a land train.
What's interesting to me is that they're forced to use AMX-10s as tanks
82nd Bde looks pretty murderous
AMX-10 is a tank
There's 50x CV90 missing so someone will get those and I would pick that brigade.
Ain't happening.
CV-90s missed the cut… again
37th because its obviously the force to exploit breakthrough rather than achieving it.
Would be interesting how those brigades get organized in divisions, tbqh.
My thoughts exactly. 37th is a machine that turns rear echelons into fertilizer. I can't wait to see the shenanigans they get up to.
>
The 37th isn't exploiting shit with towed guns. It's a flank and depth security brigade. The exploitation brigades will be medium weight with SPG.
Patrician taste. 117th is the frankenbrigade. It also has the obscure Australian M113s that are a completely different hull, engine, suspension and turret (50 and 30 cal mg) than every other country's, and they have extra armor, and carry 2-4 extra infantry too. It also has the ultra-obscure Patria APC from the 80s.
Why would you ever pair tracked SPHs with an otherwise wheeled formation? Its far better to tow light guns with small trucks for less logistical strain. If you want to cover a lot of ground fast, thats the way to do it.
They are obviously trying to spread combat value relatively evenly while matching vehicles to terrain. If you consider that Russia has ~450 operational tanks in theater according to the document the BDE setup is drawn from, these 3 divisions will crush everything in their path.
>Why would you ever pair tracked SPHs with an otherwise wheeled formation?
Because off the line of march you can't get a fire mission out of towed guns for about 5 minutes from when you ask for it and then it takes another 2-3 minutes to displace. You can also fail, ie attempt to emplace, find your ground unsuitable (which you know in about 2 minutes) then have to displace, move and reemplace.
In other words towed guns cripple tempo and speed.
47 Brigade. It's by far the best protected and armed. The brads amazing optics and firepower. The tanks are older, but when working in teams with the bradleys that's taken care of. It's also has tracked artillery. That's going to let the guns keep up with the forward units and have better fires.
what's the logic behind pairing bradleys with t-55s? are the bradleys supposed to act like tank destroyers to cover the t-55s as they push with infantry? are we seeing a return to the cavalry tank-infantry tank idea?
It's a pensioner group of slow and vulnerable vehicles not fit for any other BDE
>bradley
>slow and vulnerable
Black person in this meta it's basically the alpha male
Just ignore him he can’t help himself. It’s that British guy. I think the challenger being a babysitter to a bunch of battlebusses got him a little upset
It's the slowest vehicle on the charts, that's why it's been paired with the shittest Tank. Even the fricking Challenger is faster than it, its in a league of its own its so slow.
>25mph off road
Wut were they thinking
It’s got the best firepower out of any of the non tanks and most units. It’s speed won’t be an issue as armored assaults don’t happen at speeds greater than a few MPH
>25mph off road
pray tell, how many miles per hour do you expect an armored brigade to advance in a peer warfare scenario?
fricking WoTkiddies on this board I swear. this shit literally does not matter one bit. "slow" means having low operational mobility. an abrams without adequate logistics is slow, because it runs out of fuel and has to stop. not because it's slow on the road or across the field.
He’s upset about how well it’s armed. He doesn’t like that the bushmaster is great amd he hates that it has 2 integrated TOWs. This vehicle seems to drive that guy blind with rage. Just scroll up and look how many times he’s mentioned the bradley
This is just ridiculous are you 5?
Have you been totally absent for the past year? Have you missed the ukie BMPs and BTRs rushing the trenches to dismount troops? Holy frick your dumb, the Bradley couldn't manage that it would either flip over on its roof or get popped open like a can with a basic b***h rpg while traveling at 5mph
Bradley goes faster than 5mph
T. Has driven a Bradley
Sorry, 6mph then
>what's the logic
if you look at each of the brigades, they're trying to compensate for weak IFVs with better tanks and vice versa
>32nd lol. WTF are they thinking
Bog standard mechanised infantry unit with assault gun support.
>Bog standard mechanised infantry unit with assault gun support.
>no ifv
>no spg
>not even an apc
Kind of garbage!
Anon, you're asking way too much for a line unit in a cobbled-together army
>no ifv
that is what makes them mechanised infantry
>no spg
only four out of nine brigades on that list have SPGs, and three of that four are the best-equipped. The exception is 117th Bde which seems to have drawn the short straw for IFVs but is otherwise quite well-equipped with thirty PT-91s and a couple of AS-90s.
>not even an apc
MaxxPros have better protection than many APCs. I don't know why you guys treat MRAPs like they're Humvees, they're as well-armoured as any light APC, resisting 7.62 Soviet to 0.50 cal depending on armour package.
You’re seriously going to say one of the BDEs with Bradley is one of the best equipped. Give it up warriortard it’s so slow no one wants it in Ukraine
Black person can you stop with the anti-warriortard posting? It's rapidly become more cringe than warriortard's cringiest posts. I think you're jumping at shadows and even if you weren't it's gayer than aids at a pride parade without a condom.
>if I double post from my phone then laptop people won’t think it’s me
You really are so easy to spot
guys,
is definitely not me, but I saw his post as I was typing and I thought it quite appropriate
now can we please move on and talk about the units ITT? can anyone find what's the topmost brigade?
Frick off warriortard. Bradley is too slow to use
>Bradley is too slow
In what way, tactically? Operationally?
It would get bogged down doing 5mph and opened up like a tin can. Marder is a much better IFV, that’s why it’s with the best tanks
this must be some kind of reverse psych posting
whatever it is, frick off
That’s just anti warriortard. He’s here everyday. Some dude made fun of the warrior for like a year straight and this guy went in the opposite direction. It’s really easy to tune both of them out
>can we please move on and talk about the units ITT? can anyone find what's the topmost brigade?
This ffs.
Topmost is probably 87 due to the challengers. It’s hard to imagine them not being the capital units of the whole counteroffensive
topmost as in top position on the chart, anon
the first number is cut out by the moron who photo'd it
>Jumping at shadows
>Jumping at shadows
Wow used twice by two different anons in such a short space of time.
Give it up warriortard your lame straw man double posts are tiring
You were one of the posters and used jumping at shadows so you could make this post. You’re so easy to spot anti warriortard
you really do seem to be jumping at shadows tho
You're definitely jumping at shadows, cause I'm the guy who's been publicly sageing warriortard's threads lol
>half a dozen warnings now
Failed anti warriortard false flag
Ukranian mechanized infantry brigades are supposed to have bmps or btrs (ifvs or apc) and spgs and or grads. if you want to say that the mraps are filling the role of the btr cool but they're still missing some pretty vital components. Its gotta be the weakest unit in the lineup which was what I was originally saying
>are supposed to have
if we're going by that, none of these units are at all "supposed" to be here
>the mraps are filling the role of the btr
pretty much
>Its gotta be the weakest unit in the lineup
the 32nd? you can clearly see it's deprioritised as it hasn't received its full tank complement yet.
82 BDE looks kino and survivable unless I'm on gun crew
The unit with 90 lightly armed APCs and 40 low end IFVs looks the most survivable????
Really the only survivable vehicles in 82 are the challengers. Marders have decent protection but lack firepower. We don’t know the Stryker variants yet so I’ll leave that be
Yeah Bradley's are killers but unless they're getting the good ones Marders armor is better rated. Main point is it doesn't look like a breakthrough force so the Strykers are likely serving as taxis and ambulances and are better than other wheeled transports
47 BDE is fricking trash man why they going with the T555 wtf! 99 Bradley's sounds nice but I've seen the ones painted and they are the shitty ones with no add on armor.
This BDE is probably the least survivable of them all it should be called Boomer Brigade.
Post count remained the same and opinion is pretty bad. The 47th has the best firepower followed by 33rd. You can spot the rear echelon units by the number of APCs and the lack of self propelled guns
Lmao sure thing Grandpa enjoy the T55
Why wouldn’t the t-55 work as a general field gun? It’s not like it has to worry about tanks with all the m2a4 riding around
That BDE has higher combat value than anything the Russians can muster, so its fine. In open countrey where the M2s can play out their range and optics advantage this formation is really deadly.
The combination makes a lot of sense from a logistical standpoint. If you add 3 mech batallions, the supply train required to feed the formation would likely be beyond their capabilities and also represent too many eggs in one basket.
37th for those sweet, sweet, AMX-10s and trucks. Show up somewhere they don't expect, cause chaos, get out.
Oh, also it looks like the image is using the emblem of the Russian 37th Guards Motor Rifle Brigade.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/37th_Separate_Guards_Motor_Rifle_Brigade
Ukraine's 37th Marine Brigade's is this. Though the unit is currently under formation from what info I can find. They were only created in February of this year.
Kino emblem tbqh famlam.
I'd pick 47, 82 or 33
thx
I wonder what the higher order organization of these brigades is going to look like. Three triangular divisions into an understrength corps?
I could be wrong but I doubt there are real division fronts in this war, the brigade seems to be the primary manoeuvre unit here
>why not merge them
smaller more numerous units are better in a manoeuvre war than fewer larger units
82nd
It's not even a contest. They got siginificantly better gear overall.
They do look pretty sweet. Challengers providing the rear echelon units with covering fire, strykers and marders delivering troops up to the front. Would be /k/ino to be like a MANPADS gunner in the rear with them
I’m split between 47 and 33. They’re the two that jump out as spearhead units.
>M55-S
>spearhead
I fricking hope it ain't so.
if they are conducting breakthrough operations the spearhead is infantry + infantry support. true armor formations come through in the exploitation phase.
Really? I tought it goes like this: light recon - tanks - infantry dismount.
But I'm neverserved so my idea of breakthrough might be moronic.
>send light recon to die against a trench
>send tanks to die against a trench
>follow up with the actual assault troops
why would you do this?
breakthrough means you're attacking an enemy in a known, fixed position. which means you attack with fire supported infantry.
>25mm against entrenched troops
>TOW against entrenched troops
>In one of the worst protected vehicles
How new are you? The Bradley would be TERRIBLE for this wtf
hence the t-55s, moron.
>APC with .50 cal against entrenched troops
>unstabilized 20mm against entrenched troops
>no mounted ATGM support
>no SPGs
kek
>Tfw seethe at 82 without it being mentioned
Kek what is wrong with you
>seethe about Bradley wndlessly
>noooo you can’t bring up the cuck brigade of APCs and towed guns
Chadley getting front line action while challenger waits in the rear is a sweet surprise
>O B S E S S E D
Bruh why did you bring it up tho out of all of the other BDEs lmao
U OK M8?
My idea was recon to identify targets and particular weak spots than retreat, tanks to (literally) roll over said weak spot followed by infantry dismount to fill and stabilise the gap while tanks and recon continue to wreak havoc deep in enemy lines.
>recon to identify targets and particular weak spots than retreat
that's not what recon does, not really. they run out ahead of advancing troops to find the enemy in a mobile fighting scenario, and fight off other light forces from flanking or harassing. they are not there to probe trench lines, infantry units can handle that much perfectly fine on their own
oversimplified, the post-WW1 mobile warfare meta goes something like
>infantry with artillery and tank support break line -> mobile phase
>armor and cav units pour through, try to destroy enemy formations before they retreat and reorganize, capture cities, key terrain (bridges, railway hubs, etc )
>cav rockets out ahead, tries to ride over anything it comes across
>cav gets stuck, 'fixes' the enemy
>armor units catch up, try to ride over
>if they fail, they keep 'fixing' the enemy
>if enemy has enough time before infantry catches up, they make a new line
>new positional phase starts
it doesn't always go exactly like this (in fact it almost never does), but it's sort of like the "standard" scenario you can expect in any peer war featuring tanks in large numbers, be it WW2 or Iraq in 2003 - or, in fact, this war.
Why wouldn’t you want an assault gun with the spearhead? Bradley is almost being used as a tank in this unit but it does have the reputation as a tank destroyer
The hardest truth for me to accept is that the units with the highest number of APCs aren’t front line units. I really wanted my chally Wally to play a more significant role but I guess it beats the abrams by virtue of actually being in theater
>wargame tier unit compositions in reality
kek
ANYTHING but the 32nd lol. WTF are they thinking with that composition
>tank battalion + infantry battalion with light artillery support
I dunno doesn't seem horribly out of place for this war
I don't know why they use a leo2 for the ??? tank, in reality it's probably just whatever mix of doonated t-series they happen to have on hand.
I mean if these are the units they are using for the offensive I'd hate to be in the one that is a bunch of mraps and garbage t72m1s
82nd or 33rd.
33 or 47. I’d be happy with either
What a logistical nightmare holy frick
Wait? They’re sticking the challengers in the rear with the towed guns and APCs?
It's very obvious that the topmost unit, the 47th, and the 118th are the ones considered the IFV units; the others are mechanised infantry with some upgunned elements.
Guys I'm sick of it now I just want thr Bradley to get the recognition it deserves, so what it it's slow and can't keep up to the rest, so what it it's weak compared to the other ifvs. I just want one thread today were we can talk about it and its tow I'm warriortard and I love men
0/10 needs more subtlety
37 or 82
33 and 47
47. Russia can’t reliably stop the Bradley before it chews up most of their armor
82nd Brigade looks nice. Granted some SPG would've been nice but I guess the M119 will do.
Why would they waste SPGs on a rear unit? Towed guns make more sense, send the SPGs where they are needed
I'll go in the T-55S and guard the Bradleys while they pick off the ziggers at range.
The most interesting part of these brigades is that they’re being equipped with organic artillery — which, if they were being trained as brigades by NATO, means these units will be able to call on fire-support, something which Ukrainians have been DESPERATELY lacking. Sadly, they’re all shitty D-20s, old Soviet guns shooting the obsolete 122mm rounds, but it’s better than nothing.
>means these units will be able to call on fire-support, something which Ukrainians have been DESPERATELY lacking
they are lacking artillery ammunition, not ability for fire support
Nope, their artillery does not provide frontline fire-support, they mostly just snipe at rear targets. The only fire support they usually get are these sad 80mm mortars, something which they’ve reported to the media as being very insufficient. Meanwhile they get showered every day with 152mm howitzers and even 240mm mortars; accuracy is bad but due to this huge artillery balance the Russians keep advancing.
where exactly such factually incorrect and completely insane opinions come from?
Esl moron alert
are you warrirtard? Because you're as moronic as warriortard. Never speak to me again with your moronic opinions
>240mm mortar
there's literally single digit Tylupans in Russia inventory and half of them have been destroyed
I never would have suspected that Slovenia (?) T-55s would be paired with 99 Bradley’s. Going to be insanely /k/ino to see how it goes. I figured those T-55’s would be guarding Kiev or Lviv to free up other armor for the front.
They put the slowest vehicles together anon it's that simple, you don't want to slow down the rest. It's like having the fat kid run with the marines.
The challenger is slower than the t-55. They put the worst best IFVs with the worst tanks
>T55S top speed 32mph weight 36 ton
>Bradley top speed 35mph weight 28 ton
>Challenger top speed 37mph weight 64 ton
Lmaoooooooooooooooooooooo why the frick is the Bradley so fricking slow
I think it's that the Ukranian tankers were sent off to train on those vehicles and to pick up NATO combined arms doctrine at the same time. It's that NATO training why they're there instead of T72s or 90s, those guys trained in Ukraine.
The Bradley one
Wouldn't want to be in 37 unless those unspecified tanks are serious kit
Why? That BDE is obviously not spearheading the breach, so your chance of dying to massed enemy MLRS are quite slim.
For me, it's the stretched Citroen with a big gun on top
It's so ugly that I kinda like it
47 BDE ofc. They are almost exclusively being kept as presidential reserve near Kyiv. Gonna chill and make some cool photos with local chicks while the rest of you will roll out to die for globohomo.
Most firepower is with 47 and 33. Personally I’d rather be in 82 as a challenger gunner sniping whoever decides to try and frick with my APCs
>33. Personally I’d rather be in 82
33 only has Mastiffs while 82 at least has a battalion of Marders
33 has 32 leopard 2s though whereas 82 only has 14 challengers. Unless they bolted some atgms on the marders I’d still say 33 has more firepower
33 BDE or 117BDE
Pole here.
Aren't these Bridages woefully under equipped? No AD? No Engineering vehicles? What the frick is going on here?
The layout of the original document bothered me too, its like it was designed for moronic zoomers.
Picrel is UK Brigades for the Gulf War
>114 Challengers (mbt)
>16 Scorpions (light tank/recce)
>45 Warriors (IFV)
>16 Scimitar (recce)
>4 Sultan (Cmd and Control)
>24 M109 (Spg)
>AVRE AVLB CET
>Javelin (Shorad)
Above seems huge compared to OPs pic.
Id be interested in seeing the US equivilant too if anyone has one.
>No AD? No Engineering
inb4 no fuel trucks, no cargo trucks
obviously this isn't the complete brigade set, just key manoeuvre and artillery units
OK, but why are the numbers pitifully low of the other stuff then?
I'm aware they have AD/Reme just wondered why they wouldn't list it on the set list, it seems like it was designed to cater to morons.
>No logis no fuel
They are part of supporting units not part of the armored brigade they wouldn't be listed unlike AD and Engineering which would be attached and go everywhere with the BDE.
I don’t think they’re pitifully low, especially considering most of the stuff was donated.realistically a small amount of western gear would still beat a larger amount of Russian armor. There isn’t any point trying to deny it
Anyway, 230 afvs of which 114 are tanks is a true Brigade (my pic) what your seeing on the document in OP is kind of low ball, why not merge them and have less Brigades but more effective ones.
>still beat a larger amount of Russian armor.
Not an argument, the pic I posted was to fight Iraqis and I'm sure the US armored Brigades will have been much larger than that
>There isn't any point in trying to deny it
Kek why finish with that wierd passive aggressive statement..
.
All im saying is that the ukranians don’t need to follow exactly what US brigade sizes are. They have to take the mishmash of vehicles that were provided for free and make it work
Ukraine operates on old soviet org tables, their units/formations are smaller than the NATO counterparts. Ex: 31 tanks/batallion.
Soviet/Russian ORBAT suggests 3 maneuver brigades + supporting units per division.
>it seems like it was designed to cater to morons.
the leaks were a high level daily intelligence briefing so they were absolutely designed to cater to morons
>Why are number so low
Because they are horrifically low on tanks. Why do you think they've been begging for tanks for months? They've gotta make do with what they've been given, and that's enough IFVs/APCs/MRAPs/men for 10 brigrades, but enough MBTs for maybe 5. So they make 10 armor light brigades instead of 5 armor heavy brigades and 5 brigades with zero armor support
Who said they have no AD? There was a leak of air defense systems as well so that’s where you will find it. They also didn’t list mechanical recovery platforms but we know they will be attatched.
Isn't it a bit weird that the Senators are listed with these other vehicles? AFAIK they're just an armored commercial truck.
They are an MRAP with Stanag 2 protection, so perfectly serviceable as an APC
47BDE
Gay autistic Black person screeching about Wario aside, which is 90% of the thread
What the frick, Canada? Why is the country that invented the APC sending fricking bank cash vans to the front line? Why are they being treated like actual wheeled APCs alongside Strykers? Has there been some Ukranian review of the Senator where they really like it for some reason, or are they just using it because we keep given it to them?
This question kinda goes to MRAPs in general but the Senator isn't even a real MRAP
Canada gave a bunch of fresh-off-the-line LAV APCs (i.e. touretless) but a long while ago: https://www.google.com/amp/s/bulgarianmilitary.com/2022/09/29/canadian-lav-6-0-acsvs-for-ukraine-found-on-german-motorway-20/ Also Leopard 2s and training as reflected here.
gotta go with 33 BDE. my leppies are in there :*~~*~~
I'd go with 82nd if it had better artillery, but being limited to towed 105s seems like a weakness. 47th has the worst tanks but most dense ATGM field. And the M-55S is a cuuuute.
Basically the k2s have the heavy firepower and the m-55s are more of an assault gun. Idk what happens when a t-55 shoots a t-72 but I’d rather put a TOW on it than try and figure it out for myself
M2s* not k2 obviously
The M-55S has the benefit of the 105mm L7 gun, so what happens when it shoots a T-72 depends entirely on the ammo we're giving Ukraine and the model of T-72 being fired at, whether it hits K5, etc. I wouldn't write the M-55S off if we gave them the good darts.
>105mm L7 gun
>look it up out of interest
>it's been stuck in basically every cold war tank imaginable
The frick?
It was literally The Gun every NATO tank had until the Rheinmetal 120 replaced it in that role. Even the OG M1 Abraps used the 105mm L7. It was designed to murder T-55s after one was driven into the British embassy during the Hungarian revolution.
Wargame about to recieve new DLC I see
47th Mech. making me all hot and bothered
I just love the look of them.
Bradley is aesthetic, the M-55S is aesthetic, T-55s and Bradleys operating alongside each other with M109s and D-30s in support tickles me.
Now imagine all of them having Woodland camo.
This is my fetish
47th or 82nd. Both are based as frick.
When will morons ITT learn Inf ATGM > Vehicle launched ATGM
The advancements in tech has made vehicle launched missiles abit of a meme, they were only mounted because of how heavy and cumbersome they 'were' see TOW for an example it weighs nearly 150kg.
You say that but have nothing to back it up. You also somehow think dismounts can’t carry an ATGM if their vehicle has an ATGM.
Except for the fact that infantry can’t use their atgms when they’re riding in the back of a vehicle. There’s no downside to having a good ATGM mounted on your vehicle.
>Except for the fact that infantry can’t use their atgms when they’re riding in the back of a vehicle
give me ONE reason you can't strap a guy to the top of a Stryker with a climbing harness and have him fire off a Javelin while going full tilt
Infantry ATGMs are better in concealed defensive positions but if you're hauling ass across the open plains of eastern Ukraine to encircle a Russian unit during an assault, vehicle mounted ATGMs will be able to deploy first and fire first.
You cannot fire a TOW on the move from a Bradley
Sure you can, it's more risky and less effective though in modern combat.
Now post number of ATGM kills from vehicle vs Inf ATGM kills in Ukraine. Its not even comparable. Infantry with Javelins/Stungas dominate BMP3 BTR4 etc etc launched ATGMs. You cannon refute this.
>You cannot fire a TOW on the move from a Bradley
did he say that? Or did he say it would be faster than having to stop, dismount infantry, let them shoot, then remount up.
Stats and current affairs say other wise.
>Source material
In 2023 we have these things called Thermals, an IFV with an atgm is a HUGE glowing target vs the smol infantry operator with a Javelin or Stunga user in a ditch.
>I don't have the numbers but I'd guess
Well until then you are wrong and the numbers aren't in your favour.
You were all easily btfo, maybe don't get so emotionally invested in metal boxes if you don't want your feelings hurt.
>Stats and current affairs say other wise.
Elaborate
He literally just said he has no source and won't provide it because it doesn't exist, what is there to elaborate on? It's bait. There's no substance.
I said
>did he say that? Or did he say it would be faster than having to stop, dismount infantry, let them shoot, then remount up.
You said
>Stats and current affairs say other wise.
You’re reply wasn’t related to mine in the slightest
>stats say, I have stats that say, look at the numbers man, don't you habeeb my stats
Why are you so allergic to actually posting the numbers you're supposedly quoting? I mean, the obvious answer is because you're talking out your ass like the gaping anal prostitute you are
>can we see your sources
>no! hahaha BTFO I win
Please put on a tripcode
>vs the smol infantry operator with a Javelin or Stunga user in a ditch.
Too bad the infantry is in the back of vehicle a good portion of the time. The IFV is still a huge target whether it has atgms or not
>an IFV with an atgm is a HUGE glowing target
So if I take the ATGM off my ifv is now invisible?
>Sure you can, it's more risky and less effective though in modern combat.
May I see your source material
>Now post number of ATGM kills from vehicle vs Inf ATGM kills in Ukraine. It’s not even comparable.
I don’t have those numbers but I’d hazard a guess that up until now infantry launched missiles far outnumbered vehicle launched. They almost certainly still outnumber vehicle launched but now there’s an extra 200 vehicle launched missiles rolling around
>Now post number of ATGM kills from vehicle vs Inf ATGM kills in Ukraine. Its not even comparable. Infantry with Javelins/Stungas dominate BMP3 BTR4 etc etc launched ATGMs. You cannon refute this.
No, you post them. You're claiming this data exists, let's see it. I *highly* doubt anyone, even the combatants, have detailed breakdowns of ATGM kills by launch platform.
Quit samegayging warriortard
McFricking have a nice day.
It's his thing the iconic double post is a sure sign he is panicking or upset somone upset his Bradley
Please stay up to date with the Ukraine war and familiarise yourself with the various accounts that post regular footage of atgm launches. You will fair better in threads for it, and won't come across as new or uninformed.
>You will fair better
ESL still seething, won’t discuss the OP
>Gets rekt
>ha b b but grammar
Easy btfo, thanks for concession don't post again.
So your "stats" in the end were just "I take propaganda footage from both sides at face value and pretend it's representative" with no critical thinking or quantitative analysis. That's not "stats", that's "anecdotes".
>Posts cringe memes
>Waffles on
>irritable
You have never satisfied a woman
>I HAVE STATS I HAVE STATS LOOK AT MY STATS I HAVE STATS
>can we see them
>no
>please
>okay fine here's a handful of cherry picked propaganda clips
>that's not stats
>CRINGE CRINGE GAY PENIS PENIS SEX REEEEEEE
You dropped your L, senpai
>Continues to waffle
>Doesn't try to dispute the facts just copes with more irelevant images
Diagnosis: Autism
>no you can’t just use an ATGM from an armored vehicle! You have to dismount troops and let them shoot it?????
Shouldn't they at least be trying to maintain parity within brigades for logistics and shit? Seems like a nightmare.
If Ukraine could standardize on a 90 Bradley, 30 Abrams, 30 M109 brigade and pump out an entire corps of those brigades, they totally would. We haven't given them the equipment to do that, so they're working with what they have.
They have enough to standardise, are you moronic?
Standardize on what? Please, show me a model brigade Ukraine has the equipment to standardize on, out of the menagerie of leftovers they've been given to work with. They're making division casserole.
>Leopard 2, Marders, Pzh2k, Gepard
>Challenger 2, Bulldog, Cvrt, AS90, Stormer, Wolf/Mastif
Are you some kind of imbecile?
>Leopard 2, Marders
congrats, your brigade is missing 50 APCs
>Challenger 2, Cvrt, AS90, Wolf/Mastif
the CVRT is extraneous and therefore a waste
>C-congrats you almost completely proved me wrong
Kek thanks allow me to finish destroying you.
>brigade is missing 50 APCs
>54 M113 armored personnel carriers (systems of Denmark, upgrades financed by Germany)
There you go.
>CVRT is extraneous
Ah the light fast recon cart that carries specialised teams around and is loved by Ukies isn't relevant? Bawwww your too stupid anon.
I will make some other additions too +M270b1 +MARS2
Think before posting in future, you made yourself look stupid
>M113
so much for sTaNdArDiZaTiOn then
>think before posting
says Black person who forgot to count his Marders
>so much for sTaNdArDiZaTiOn then
Why? The Leopard 2 M113 Marder Pzh2k MARS2 were all operated by Germany you stupid c**t lmao just stop posting, it gets worse for you every time. We could keep going if you want? 50 Dingo Mraps Recovery vehicles, Bridge layers, Mine cleaners...? The British and German donated inventory is more than enough to have standardised Bridgades just admit you didn't have a clue and be done with it.
ahh, we've gone from
>all made in Germany
to
>all operated by Germany
>The British and German donated inventory is more than enough to have standardised Bridgades
NOT NINE OF THEM WHICH IS WHAT WE HAVE IN OP PIC ABOVE YOU DUMB c**t
My guy, you have lost the plot.
Where did I say "all made in Germany"? We said standardised Brigades you disingenuous c**t.
Look at the picrel, you can literally make that with what Germany has given to Ukraine, its even in children's toy form so somone as dumb as you can understand.
>N-N-NOT N-NI-NIINE OF THEM THO
Wow really clutching at straws here huh
How serious is your autism? Just admit you were wrong and you can make standardised Brigades.
>TGRAB03-02.jpg
I just wanted to see Tornados doing terrain-following attacks on russian positions in Ukraine. A man can dream.
Yes
Just imagine the kino.
>No, they aren't even dropping bombs over the russian trenches, they are just making low passes at Mach 1.2
sigh
>We said standardised Brigades
you didn't specify what you meant by "standardised"
when asked to post an example, you posted a list sorted by national production, with M113 conspicuously MISSING
>you can make standardised Brigades
yes, you can, ANYBODY looking at the list above can tell
the question is how to stretch to NINE of them
congrats, you're technically correct, we can make standardised understrength brigades
well done you
>I didn't specify
Lmao let it go
>Y-you missed the M113!
I missed alot of stuff the MLRS's M109s Reme gear Mine Clearers Dingos etc from both the British and German.
Here's the solid facts, you said:
>Standardize on what? Please, show me a model brigade
I came back with a standard German brigade in Ukraine made up of German donated equipment ergo a standardised Brigade.
>Yes Y y y yes you can
Thank you, it wasn't that hard was it.
>but how do you make NINE of them
Again
>Standardize on what? Please, show me a model brigade
>a model brigade
>brigade
>(of a word or form) denoting or referring to just one person or thing.
You should get checked for autism and a fragile ego.
>some people refuse to admit they are wrong, even in the face of overwhelming evidence.
>I-I-I'M TECHNICALLY CORRECT, OKAY
Please yourself.
As always.
No not technically correct I'm completely correct and you were completely wrong but your coping hard and suffer from various mental illnesses stopping you from just saying you were wrong and didn't realise what kit was in Ukraine.
Imbecile.
standardize implies all of the new brigades being raised to the same standard, just because you can make one German style brigade and leave the rest of donated equipment sitting in warehouses doesn't mean you should
He said
>Standardize on what? Please, show me a model brigade
>A model
Can you English? Is a model brigade singular? Or does that statement say "Please show me model Brigades"
>and pump out an entire corps of those brigades
>They have enough
Show me this entire corps then?
You can clearly see four of those brigades are quite homogenous and the three most diverse are the leftovers units
Which one enters Moscov first?
idk if 47th has most potential, but the m55s make it by far the biggest kino brigade by a long shot.
otherwise for me it's probably 82nd
33rd has Leopard 2A6 tanks, I would love to be there part of making history while facing against Russian T-55s.
>What you need to do is to actually make him distinguishable from others and making sure bystanders fall into traps, which are laid out by him.
Bystanders? Traps?
see
the guy obsessed with Wario is an autist with main character syndrome who has decided his purpose in life is "uncovering the shill", aka derailing threads to cry about his counterpart autist
Can I agree that the warrior isn’t a good ifv without being warriortard?
warrior is fair to middling with an underwhelming gun and is being replaced for a reason, but served well for decades and the replacement program is a shitshow
>Replafement program is a shitshow
It is? How?
Keeps shaking itself and it's crew apart, apparently
https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/new-3-2bn-ajax-tanks-grounded-again-after-troops-suffer-hearing-loss-xg0q5g30l
Haven't the bongs picked up boxers as a stopgap or were they acquiring those anyway?
Boxers are wheeled 8x8s, the British Army ideally wants tracked IFVs to match with its Ajaxes and Challengers
the problem is that SOMEONE decided "look lets quit waffling about and just buy Boxer, alright"
which to you and me might seem even reasonable, the armoured lads aren't happy about that
the good news is that this means the Army could in fact buy and develop a nice new tracked IFV for the armour brigades
the bad news is that this is unlikely unless they can come up with a big load of cash fast
the bad news on top of that is that the Challenger and AS90 needs replacing as well
Am I hallucinating or were they trying to push a tracked Boxer at some point? Maybe the armoured boys would be happier with that, and still maintain some compatibility with the interim wheeled boxers
>were they trying to push a tracked Boxer
"they" being KMW and Nicholas fricking Drummond, but that's not the Army per se
the Army is visibly torn between (at least) 2 factions, one who wishes for the all-tracked armoured brigade of old, and one who is willing to compromise and buy wheeled, for the sake of the budget
Tracked Boxer is a pipe dream IMHO
>the Boxer is Warriors replacement
picrel is from the NAO report
unless Boxer has a turret, it is not going to be Warrior's replacement
>NAO report
The one from 2020?
No, from March 2021
https://committees.parliament.uk/publications/5081/documents/50325/default/
Ah OK, kind of out of date then. They upped the order on Boxer by 100 since then and lots of things have changed given the situation in Ukraine. I'm 99% sure some boxers will have a turret, but like you I cannot be certain nor have evidence to back it up.
>They upped the order on Boxer by 100 since then
The 100 additional vehicles will be infantry carriers, command-and-control (C2) vehicles, and ambulances
>lots of things have changed given the situation in Ukraine
obviously
the Army is probably still arguing with Treasury and Cabinet if there will be any funds though
Not sure if you know but there's a British Boxer in Suffolk with an RT60 turret on it (picrel is the one) Hopefully they like it and push on, the Ajax turret fricks it up abit with the ammo commonality though so frick knows.
>Army arguing
The Army procurement should be sacked and for the interim have the Navy do it instead. Its there fault its so fricked up no one else's.
Forgot pic
>have the Navy do it instead
lol
the Navy is willing to accept capability gaps that the Army isn't, so it's not exactly a perfect solution
>British Boxer in Suffolk with an RT60 turret
the 30mm cannon is clearly a big question mark
it is nothing new though, the Australian Boxer also mounts a Kongsberg turret IINM
>the good news is that this means the Army could in fact buy and develop a nice new tracked IFV for the armour brigades
Why does the UK think they need to develop an IFV rather than buy the next generation IFVs coming on the market? Is it hubris
frankly any country that wants to pretend to have domestic military production should be able to slap together a decent IFV
>tracks
>basic armor, ERA, slats, whatever
>ATGM and thermals
>whatever caliber of gun gets you the best kickbacks from the manufacturer (I think the 50mm bushmaster concept is neato)
assemble with love and care and sufficient sound dampening so your crew doesn't go death, badabing badaboom
caliber of gun gets you the best kickbacks from the manufacturer (I think the 50mm bushmaster concept is neato)
This is how you end up with dogshit 40mm (original CV-90) or 25mm (m2, dardo) instead of something usefull
What's your preference? 30mm? I just think the 50mm is neat because it's straight walled so it should have the same ammo capacity as a 30mm with more HE oomph and room for meme fuses
I like the idea of the new 50. With airbursting munitions they should be able to slap drones out of the sky with one or two shells.
>Why does the UK think they need to develop an IFV rather than buy
because they already have all the companies necessary to develop it, it would not cost much more than buying off the shelf, it would be great for local jobs and thus economy, and they want to be able to custom-fit it to their own doctrine
>buy the next generation IFVs coming on the market
have you any suggestions?
Puma, redback, whatever GDLS shits out. There isn’t even a next gen British IFV in the pipeline as far as anyone knows. Everyone is set to replace their IFVs and the British will have the warrior for the foreseeable future. If they haven’t announced a new vehicle design by now it’s signaling they are going to buy something
>Puma
German with very little parts commonality and local industry advantage, if any
>redback
worse
>whatever GDLS shits out
that would be upgraded Ajax IFV, which you can see on the list I posted above
I will add another; if they can gut the CV90's insides, it would be more attractive than Puma or Redback
>There isn’t even a next gen British IFV in the pipeline as far as anyone knows
As I said
>If they haven’t announced a new vehicle design by now it’s signaling they are going to buy something
Of course
they're just making up their minds how much to spend, which dictates which of the above options they can choose
>redback worse
Worse than what? The warrior?
Worse than Puma; follow the comment
it doesn't exist
that's as shit as you can get
Ajax is not an IFV and not a Warrior replacement
it's a recon vehicle
the vibration problem has been fixed tho
Wait Ajax isn't even a-
God fricking damn it Britain I knew shit was bad over there but that's ridiculous
I was being sarcastic, the Boxer is Warriors replacement.
>“We will no longer upgrade Warrior but it will remain in service until replaced by Boxer, which we expect to happen by the middle of this decade.”
https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/defence-in-a-competitive-age
Depends
Is it a good IFV now? No, it's quite outdated
Was it a good IFV then? Yes, it was arguably the best European IFV of the 80s
You can. It's outdated which is why the MOD has been desperately trying to replace it. It was fine when it was introduced but the years haven't been kind to it.
i would rather kill myself than fight for the nation that has been shitting up /k/ for the past year
By all means, do, right away.
i am not required to fight for ukraine now though
Your big missile daddy hates you almost as much as your biological father does
i don't really care about putin or russia, i just posted the gif for the sake of it being funny to me
>i don't really care about putin or russia
That's what all the /misc/ refugees dicksucking Russia say.
wouldn't i be better off being a refugee and posting on chug instead of here? I don't understand your logic, but eh whatever you say man, i don't bother staying on this thread any longer, have fun with your third world muddy shithole civil war mate
Pretty sure Russian shills have been shitting up /k/ since 2014 but whatever floats your boat
It's just one of the things that "happen", comes with the territory and kinda stays in that territory.
I'd take the 82nd. With so a mobile force, why towed artillery tho?
Looks pretty well rounded. I wouldn’t want it be in the slavshit units. Maximum comfy would be Bradley gunner
Where the fug are the CV90s. I'm worried they wont make it in time for the offensive.
They aren’t making it. Not one has been spotted in Ukraine. Perhaps they’ll pair them with abrams when they get here
There is still a chance they are training in Sweden, I know Ukraine got personell there.
The offensive should be starting any day
We'll see. I think the Ukrainians will prod for a while, I would be surprised if they don't wait until sometime in May at least. Lots of good Western stuff still on it's way to Ukraine.
If the offensive is a success I wonder if the US has the capacity to keep flooding in Bradley's and Strykers to replace losses, especially if they end up with more crews than vehicles as vehicles are lost. I don't imagine anything else is sitting around in large numbers potentially ready to go.
Thread got good. Does anyone want to make a follow up thread for actual armored vehicle discussion. I’m too lazy but will populate the thread if it’s linked here
82 BDE. I want to fight in a Challenger.