But would the US perform any better when fighting a conventional war against a motivated enemy? The US hasn't fought a conventional war in 30+ years, and the population is now weak.
But would the US perform any better when fighting a conventional war against a motivated enemy? The US hasn't fought a conventional war in 30+ years, and the population is now weak.
>But would the US perform any better when fighting a conventional war against a motivated enemy?
>three largest airforces in the world are the USAF, USN, and USMC
>fully streamlined tanks of M1A2 SEP2 or 3, rather than a hodgepodge of 80s vehicles, reserve vehicles are also M1A2s or M1A1s
>most mechanized army in the world, lavishly equipped with trucks, LUVs, and movers down to the platoon or even squad level
>no shortage of PGMs, can afford to sling them at any threat
>full access to GPS to prevent units from getting lost
its now pretty blindingly obvious that the US would steam roll the russians back to the urals
Let's be honest, at this point if the Baltic states united and invaded Russia they'd get half way to the Pacific before they needed to ask for NATO help.
It's ridiculous how far ahead USA military is ahead of everybody else, didn't you guys ever went "hmm maybe that's enough"
No. That's loser talk.
Not until every man, woman, and child in the world can enjoy burger.
Not until every child in Africa and the Middle East can attend a gay wedding catered by McDonalds.
Regardless where you fall on the political spectrum, I hope another president does picrel some day.
>McShit
geez, atleast pick something semi decent like Wendy's
Not him but Trump had a taste for McDonalds. He did that by choice. A questionable choice but it was intentional.
but anon how is the Pentagon supposed to Justify increasing defense spending that way?
We will always have to make up a new threat and make it seem like we are always behind
Once China is gone we will Contact aliens just so we can justify building a 1:1 replica of the death star and once their gone we will proclaim god as our enemy and start building a Universe ending bomb in our backyard
Land of excess, baby.
>didn't you guys ever went "hmm maybe that's enough"
Many times but then China comes up with some moronic fake wunderwaffe for propaganda purposes, the Pentagon takes it seriously and shits itself in panic, and five years later the US MIC is rolling out a real version of whatever the chinks pretended to come up with.
Sounds like queen talk to me
by airframes marines were actually like 7th, but army air is actually number 2, with USN at 4..
so the US actually has 1st, 2nd, 4th, and 7th largest airforces in the world. jesus christ it must suck being poor.
Where does the Coast Guard rank?
>Dennis Quad
Yes, Sergei Sergeivich Shillfarmev, any western nation would perform better (for its size), because you (Demon Rus) are a rotten and toxic society which self-cripples itself. In addition to being morally degenerate of course. I know it, you know it.
Anyone other than China would be flattened in under 2 months, China would probably last 6 IF their shit works just as propaganda says and their soldiers are terminator robots with datalinked brains
You're giving the Chinese too much credit. The Chinese army isn't in better shape than the Russian army. If anything, it might actually be *worse*.
>muttmerica
>20 years of war against jungle asiatics in some random jungle shithole
>still scandalously defeated
>AMERIKKA NAMBAWAN !!!!!!!!!
>russia
>8 month of war against overfunded enemy state that about to " winning " but begging even more gibs and shit
>1/6 of land occupied
>LOOK RUSSHIA WEAK !!!!!!!
btw don't forget your sixth dose , goy
>US
>20 years of fighting in dense jungle overseas against not just the Vietnamese but Chinese soldiers and Soviet MIGs
>fewer than 60k dead
>Russhit
>8 months of war against a neighboring nation on mostly flat land that was given old Soviet military trash and much later a few newer toys like less than 2 dozen HIMARs
>over 60k dead, still losing ground it took at the start and technically by Russian law has lost Russian territory to what should be a much smaller and weaker military
Did you know Russians are the largest minority group in Israel, and 15% of Israelis speak Russian as their native language?
>20 years of fighting in dense jungle overseas against not just the Vietnamese but Chinese soldiers and Soviet MIGs
so troonkraine ? not even mention about transportation technology in this period compared to 50 year ago
american military are severely overrated and have a lot of exception they're only good for some situation , get btfo'd by PLA during korean war and everyone still thinking they're god tier because Hollywood propaganda worked to well
Ching Chong bing bong, you ever get a return on that real estate investment yet Xiao?
Ukraine was 8 months of proper war even by going by your own previous post, chink.
>mangled chingrish about logistics in the 70's which would put the US at a disadvantage
Ok...?
>posts one surprise attack battle at the start of the war against an unprepared US
>A war which the US won while fighting on multiple fronts and funding the Soviet's efforts
>Brings up Korean War when North Korea and China invaded the South, which saw the US btfo of them both leading to a prosperous South and impoverished North
God damn you Chinks are as bad at this as you are at war lel
My favorite part is when they bring up Chosin reservoir. A situation where they had everything going for them and still despite being split up and cut off in multiple groups the Americans still managed to regroup and retreat while taking immensely less losses than the Chinese. Also love how they hold it up as a win because they managed to keep their moronic neighbor from ceasing to exist because they were completely routed by one US general after their moronic neighbor began a pointless war of aggression.
How'd that war end again?
Oh yeah, with the US walking up the pacific and making Japan beg for it's existence lol
So you want russia to nuke ukraine so hohols beg for their existence? If america can, why cant we?
>If america can, why cant we?
Go ahead, nobody can stop you from letting a nuke off the chain. See what happens.
Why would we nuke our brothers? We aren't evil unlike america. We know the responsibilty of having nukes. It is you pindos who could not win without commiting warcrimes
you won't because you're a nation of pussies, simple as
Because you are not and never will be America, first and foremost.
You're also for damned sure not allowed to do it *now* all because it happened *at some point* in the past, you simpering fricking childish morons. You asinine Black folk offer up the most mouth-breather justifications for dumb shit you know not even the US would get away with in the modern day, and then you wonder why you'll never truly be anywhere near parity with us.
>another episode of Russia being so weak that even by its own account the war (sorry, the SMO) in Ukraine is the equivalent of the USA fighting a world war
>But would the US perform any better when fighting a conventional war against a motivated enemy?
Yes, how is that even a question?
>The US hasn't fought a conventional war in 30+ years
Until the SMO, which might not even qualify due to it being a "special military operation" rather than a war, neither has Russia.
>and the population is now weak.
Judging from Russian performance, so is the Russian.
Lets imagine that the roles were reversed, and the US was invading a Russia aligned Ukraine. Lets say they invade from Poland. First off they'd actually have been able to properly do SEAD and so when they say the whole of the Ukranian airforce has been wiped out, it's actually true. They will also hunt down every AA system Ukraine has and secure total air superiority, after which any large scale Ukranian troop movements become basically impossible. They might not deem it necessary, but if they did, chances are they'd actually take Odessa after a successful landing from the Black Sea. The Russian Black Sea Fleet either sits by like a bunch of b***hes or gets sunk in a onesided battle judging by the state of the Moskva even prior to sinking. Even in our timeline, the Russian Black Sea Fleet exists because Turkey lets it. In fact, Russia talking the Turks into closing their strait might be only real defence against a US naval landing. When the actual invasion by ground troops happen, they won't run out of gas and supplies after a day's drive into the country, but a couple of reenactments of Nasiriyah might still happen, but not on the scale on which Russia did it. Honestly the war will likely devolve into asymetric warfare and simply stop being conventional. The sheer fact Russia is still forced to fight this like a conventional war alone is a testament to how inferior it is to the US.
>1/6 of land occupied
It was 1/5 two months ago, kek.
vietnam was funded and supported by every single commie in the world, and then proclaimed no 1 superpower soviet union.
Half of europe and most of asia was on vietnams side.
And US still won almost every single ground war but pulled out since its citizens have basic rights.
>1/6 land occupied
1/6 of your land is ours hohol! Behave, or you may never see this 1/7 of your land again! It's shocking we still hold 1/8 of your land, it's like you are not even trying.
Russia lost more in a few months than the US did in 20 years.
>Be Taliban
>You and your homies on TV straight flexing with your CIA gifted drip
>US bombs your country back further into the stone ages than it already was
>You put up some effort but mostly hide in the caves and leave roadside bombs that the CIA showed you how to make
>US still doesn't leave so most of your forces hid in Pakistan and take potshots over the border knowing they can't shoot back
>US gets bored after 2 decades and decides your shithole isn't worth the money it takes to stay there
>US hands the reins over to the Afghan government and peaces out
>US leaves and all of a sudden you feel bold and show up in force to bomb the airport in Kabul at the last minute
>We really showed them, didn't we?
Globohomosexual may not have held onto Afghanistan, but don't act like the Taliban won because they totally kicked America's ass. Afghanistan lost, not the US.
jesus the cope is real. usa got defeated and ran away lol
gaslighting
Dude you’re a living meme.
post firearms, skin colour and drinkable tap water
>with air superiority
Nobody stands a chance, even after 20+ years of COIN. It'll just be very inefficient at first.
>without
Learning will occur. Still better than RF could ever do. Slav people are barely a step above sand people.
>would the US perform any better
Yes.
> and the population is now weak.
I was told the same about the hohols and how stronk Ruzzia would steamroll them.
>But would the US perform any better when fighting a conventional war against a motivated enemy?
Yes. American technology from 30+ years ago is called "wunderwaffe" by you moron Russhits
Yeah, the US did fight a well-equipped and motivated conventional enemy and crushed them entirely.
Far more well equipped and motivated than the Ukrainians. That’s just a fact, Iraq didn’t have to call on volkstrum to just man the front like Ukraine did, nobody in the world expected Russia to muck up a invasion of what was a 4th world military
Yes, that is correct. I am not sure if you were trying to meme here but Iraq was one of the largest armies on Earth at the time and was well-equipped in the sense of a conventional army. They were technologically backward compared to America, but that's the case of every nation that is not America.
Modern Russia would have been unable to defeat 1991 Iraq.
>But would the US perform any better
Yes it would perform significantly better. Not as brilliantly as burgers dream it to be after that one time they lucked to run into unmotivated, poorly trained shitskins in iraq, but still.
>1990's iraq unmotivated and poor trained.
>poorly trained shitskins in iraq
Those Iraqi's used every doctrine taught to them exactly how the USSR showed them to use their equipment. Everything from their defence in depth, when they lie-up somewhere, using their SAM and AA systems in layers, how to run their armour formations and use them in combination with motorised infantry. Plus a lot of them were hard c**ts that managed to somehow survive the Iran-Iraq war which gave enough of them some actual combat experience.
Its not that Iraq was even a rubbish military, they had fricking BULK amounts of stuff. The unfortunate thing was they came up against someone who spent the last 40 years figuring out exactly how to tear that battle doctrine up into confetti
>We then visited our host unit’s motor pool, stationed just outside Moscow. By that time, the Russian regimental commander and I had become friendly, and as he walked us toward the display of vehicles, he proclaimed that I was lucky to be one of the few Americans to see a Russian T-72 up close. With tongue firmly in cheek, I told the translator to tell the colonel that having fought in Desert Storm, I had seen many T-72s—but none of them still had the turret attached. The interpreter hesitated and asked me if I really wanted to say that to his colonel. Nodding my head, I watched my new friend’s face turn red, but then transition to a slight grin. “Those were the export versions we gave the Iraqis.”
>“Those were the export versions we gave the Iraqis.”
>russians using T-62Ms and T-72As in ukraine
those T-72M1s are actually equal to, if not better, than a lot of russian tanks
not that the T-72B3 would be any good either, it is at most an equal to the baseline M1A1
>T-72B3
>almost an equal to the baseline M1A1
90s Iraq would kick the shit out of Russia today
Generally speaking the whiter paety always wins
You see this right now in Ukraine where white Ukraine keeps mowing down scores of churkas and mongoloids in the Russian ranks (ethnic Russians are a minority on the battlefield)
This is why the US was able to beat shitholes like Grenada but not countries whiter than them such as Afghanistan despite having a significant technological advantage
Rest assured Ukraine would mop the floor with US military full of brown "people"
It would take at least 70 years of hard occupation, not COIN, to have seen any real change in Afghanistan. You are a moron.
>ethnic Russians are a minority on the battlefield
That's bullshit. Russian replacement East and Southward wasn't as successful as America's Manifest Dedtiny, but Russians are the vast majority in the Russian empire. It's just that race doesn't have much to do with competence and ethnic Russians can also be total bydlos
Russia could've never pulled what the US armed forces did in the Gulf War.
I'm not pretending the US military is flawless, but they're a trillion times better than Russia's.
Oh man the clown car parade gets me every time
World's #2 military HAHAHAHAHAHAHA
Russia couldn't even pull off the most recent US loss
>Invade and supply a landlocked mountainous country
>Maintain supplies for 20 years
>While simultaneously performing other out of theater military operations
>Countless changes in leadership while maintaining a concise plan
>Left national infrastructure better than when the war started
this picture is when i knew russia wasn't going to win this war
>August 5th, 1990
>Coalition forces begin building up in Saudi Arabia
>Rumors begin to spread about Iraqi invasion
>Pentagon vehemently denies accusations, claims it's a training exercise
>troops are told it's a training exercise and to not worry
>ffw January 15, 1991
>seven B-52s depart Barksdale AFB
>an undisclosed number are lost in the Atlantic
>January 17
>AH-64s open fire on Iraqi radar sites
>Damage is minimal, 2 of them are shot down by Iglas
>Tomahawk missiles fly in over Baghdad, many apartment blocks hit
>Nobody knows where the frick the F-117s are, clearly they're being held in reserve for a special operation
>As coalition aircraft stream in over border, several dozen are prey to Iraq's vast air defense network
>Turns out the SEAD aircraft were trained on American radars and can't lock onto Soviet radars
>Rumors of ghost of Baghdad surface, claiming 5 American F-15s
>USA claims total destruction of Iraq's air force, cuts sorties back massively anyway despite not achieving goals
I'm too tired to continue this historical retelling of events, maybe I'll finish it tomorrow
The US "they/them" army would get dog-walked and but plugged in artillary "trench-warfare" with Russians
>westoid lives are simply not prepared to leave the netflix-n-chill world for the trenches of the DPR
it would be a beating so severe it would never leave national psyche
Now why would the Americans degrade themselves to the level of trench warfare?
>americans are always trying to re-fight their last war
>russians are still trying to fight ww1
very good point vasily, now get back in the trench allah commands your sacrifice
Yes
03 was 19 years ago moron
Post one (1) photograph of a US medkit with black mould on the bandages.
Post one (1) photograph of a Russian medkit with black mold on the bandages.
(I believe you but I am curious.
>photograph of a Russian medkit with black mold on the bandages
Wouldn't even be surprised if there would be old Wehrmacht bandages captured in 1944 in there....
most sophisticated russoid medical kit
Americans aren't homosexuals and don't rape their own troops
They have working tanks and airforce
They have top tier intelligence using satellites that track every move on earth
They have a navy that can launch attacks with missiles and aircraft from which you have no way to respond
In a conventional war, there is no army that could stand up to american might
>b-but muh Iraq, m-muh Afghanistan
They wiped out the conventional forces in weeks, while launching an invasion from across the world. Prolonged guerilla war with stubborn, determined resistance will wear out any army.
>Americans don't rape their own troops
Can't rape the willing.
At least homosex in the us military is optional, in russia its a mandatory part of the military training
>Hasn't fought conventional army in 30 years
The last time we fought a conventional army it was the Iraqis who were the 4th largest army in the world at the time and was comprised of veteran units such as the Iraqi Republican Guard - a unit that took over Kuwait in just 6 hours. The US went across the world and were outnumbered in an offensive operation that saw Iraq fall in just 3 weeks with barely any US casualties and catastrophic losses for Iraqis.
dude explains good the nuke world war..
Did...did you guys just miss desert storm? Seriously what kind of question is this? Conventional warfare is the kind of warfare the US excels in. It's what its entire military doctrine is based around. It's protracted asymmetric counter insurgency that it struggles with (although to be fair no nation has really figured that out yet). If the roles were reversed and the US was invading the Ukraine their entire military structure would have been dismantled within a month and they would be 8 months into the 15 year long occupation where they try and fail to suppress local guerilla fighters. The kinds of logistical and intelligence issues Russia is running into right now are exactly the areas that the US dominates in.
Let's be real. The US is a lot of things but "unsupplied" isn't one of them.
>It's protracted asymmetric counter insurgency that it struggles with (although to be fair no nation has really figured that out yet).
lol wrong. it is called genocide and it works easily.
If by works you mean, 'gets the international community to give the okay to drop 12,000 megatons on your cities' then sure?
Not him, but he's right and you're obviously wrong. Nobody has ever been nuked for genocide, despite several attempts at genocide in the past 80 years.
Yes, keyword being
>attempts
The only places to arguably get away with it are absolute hellholes in Africa that no one gives a shit about.
Serbs tried it, and got bombed back to the stone age.
USSR tried it internally, got arms raced into an early and shallow grave.
Khmer Rouge did it, got bombed back into the stone age (and also destroyed their own nation in the process).
Saddam tried it, got bombed not once, but twice, then died in a hole breathing through a tube.
Give me a single example of a nation that engaged in genocide and came out the other side better off than where they started.
Actually most of those places either didn't get punished for genocide (USSR started and lost the cold war over communist ideology, nothing more and nothing less), and you're trying to run away from the stupid comment you just made that anybody is ever, ever, ever, ever, ever going to be nuked over genocide. They won't. The end.
By the way genocide isn't just murder, it's also full scale displacement through mass violence or threat of mass violence. Plenty of that going on.
Saddam didn't die like you think he did, btw.
>you're trying to run away from the stupid comment you just made that anybody is ever, ever, ever, ever, ever going to be nuked over genocide. They won't. The end.
Yeah, they would. If Russia decided tomorrow to try to genocide poland, they would be glowing by the end of the week, full stop.
If China decided to genocide the Japs, they would be glowing by the end of the week, full stop.
>Saddam didn't die like you think he did, btw.
Meds, take them.
>Yeah, they would. If Russia decided tomorrow to try to genocide poland, they would be glowing by the end of the week, full stop.
Right, because they attacked Poland and the because of the nuclear policies of the two sides interacting to produce a nuclear war. Because of an attack. Not because of a genocide. It's the attack that triggers the nuclear war.
No really, Saddam didn't die like you think he did, you are apparently a zoomer who was just too young to know about his trial and execution.
honestly, i kinda agree
the old days of interventions everywhere are gone
unless they're a friend of ours or have some other strong political pull, the US probably will say that genocide is bad but won't do anything kinetic
Saddam was tried and executed. Where does the idea come from that he died in his cum hole?
yes they would
america's military capabilities fighting a regular army are bar none
asymetrical warfare is something else entirely
the fact that american forces can be stationed in butt frick no where valleys without heavy weaponry on standby against local insurgent forces that outnumber them big time is something else
logistically and militarily
>only potential relevant threat to american forces is a country who has absolutely zero modern warfare experience and the entirety of their military tech is copied/stolen while also having no actual combat testing
>But would the US perform any better when fighting a conventional war against a motivated enemy? The US hasn't fought a conventional war in 30+ years, and the population is now weak.
Back when the Iraq war first started, the US troops got FRICKED UP just like the Russian troops in Ukraine
That's because American troops were sent to fight without body armor or vehicle armor, and the enemy exploited that weakness
>Back when the Iraq war first started, the US troops got FRICKED UP
No, no they didn't moron. In both Iraqi invasions the US suffered almost no casualties, or equipment losses. All of which you can verify from the plentiful and easily accessible information provided from both invasions
>2003 Invasion of Iraq
>20 March 2003 – 1 May 2003
>(1 month, 1 week and 4 days)
>196+ killed, 551+ wounded
>Three weeks into the invasion, the Army's 3rd Infantry Division, with the 1st Marine Division also present, moved into Baghdad.
>A total of 34 American soldiers and 2,320 Iraqi fighters were killed
Yeah, just like Russia in Ukraine.
>100s of beautiful women infront of him
>Cuck averts his eyes and dreams of his comrades dick
Why are russian males so gay?
Is it cause all their women are awful, unfaithful golddiggers?
>russian women
>in the army
>beautiful
Checked. The USA would mop the floor with any country in the world 1v1 in a conventional or nuclear war. It’s un conventional wars and Insurgences where they get their asses kicked, even then they can occupy places indefinitely.
Reading this thread I am once again reminded that everyone here is underageb& and literally isn't old enough to remember 2003
>US perform any better
yes, clearly
nice digits
lets be honest here
this war of all wars the US wouldve won easily
kiev in 3 days? no problem
of course they wouldve been fricked over by the subsequent insurgency, but they would have buck broken the inital resistance and the official armed forces without breaking a sweat
>usa can't even enforce a border what kinda cope is this? usa has cities filled with hispanics Black folk israelites and not white ppl there anymore lol
USA would have no problem killing white people, this is an unfair comparison
USA doesn’t want to enforce the border you fricking moron. Why is this so hard for you moronic conservatives to understand?
Screaming about a different country in ESL doesn't work on PrepHole anymore, anon. Even the moronic contrarian teenagers (besides you) know that you're wrong.
Dude he’s Mike Hamburger from the Texas Oblast. He knows what he’s talking about.
This wouldn't be an absolutely dogshit argument if we didn't have the simple metric of do our trucks have more than 3 weeks of gas. I think we'll be okay if it comes to it
>Thinking the US needs to engage in conventional warfare anytime in the next 100+ years
The russians are currently winning a very stupid prize for playing a very stupid game as much as shitting on the US is funny sometimes they aren't doing shit like this
Are you kidding? Guatemala would perform better at fighting a conventional war.
>he US hasn't fought a conventional war in 30+ years,
my mates dad was a painter and decorator painting one of saddams houses and he was taken hostage by saddam when the invasion happened
true story
>But would the US perform any better when fighting a conventional war against a motivated enemy? The US hasn't fought a conventional war in 30+ years, and the population is now weak.
against a motivated enemy? it would be VERY costly, but heres some things the US can use to leverage an advantage
>allies
>air superiority
>excellent logistics
>good intelligence to let you know you are not walking into a meat grinder
theres a reason why the US has not invaded Iran or North Korea, they would win, but it would be a giantic shit show and not worth it unless those chucklefricks did something drastic that forced the US to attack
I want to shoot nazis
The 2003 invasion of Iraq was a conventional war. It lasted like 6 weeks lmao