The Ukies have PAC-3, a battery can hold up to 128 of the things. There's no saturating a PAC-3 battery unless you are China. Even a "half and half" load would give them 80 interceptors to play with.
Incorrect. According to the intel leaks 6 launchers were delivered March 14th. With a further 6 launchers from allies on the way but without dates to be delivered.
>doctored nonsense
the KIA/WIA counts were doctored by the vatniks. The rest wasn't. This is well known. You don't have proof they only have two launchers either way. >and that still isn't two batteries
I didn't say it was retard. I said you were wrong it was too launchers.
Now seethe
This to me its pretty indicative that nothing intact actually got through that night despite the zigger cope. Those launchers are minimally armored if at all. The launch canisters are just aluminum and I don't think any of it is ballistic grade shit. The amount of fragmentation from a fully functioning weapon in the weight class that the Russian's were throwing that night would have damaged the subsystems hidden what likely just flimsy paneling intended for environmental protection even if they missed. All they needed to do was hit in the general spot and hopefully be unobstructed by buildings/hills. The frag at velocity would have done the rest. kek
May I see the destroyed battery from satellite or drone photos? It would be an unprecedented accomplishment id Russia was able to overcome and destroy a patriot battery in its entirety. Proofs?
>not going to spoon feed >multiple videos have been posted >still image of flash on 144p quality >twitter/telegram screencaps
is that not enough proof for you anon? kek
The ones that have a little bit of shame shut up when TWENTY-ONE of their stealth cruise missiles got shot down the day after they claimed they destroyed the Patriot battery. You're seeing the most retarded ones now.
>not going to spoon feed >multiple videos have been posted >still image of flash on 144p quality >twitter/telegram screencaps
is that not enough proof for you anon? kek
may i see the repaired battery?
XAXAXAXA hohols are the coping so hard.
Here is battery being explosion.
There is so much talk about Patriot missile system and Patriots and just making people aware of that word and its meaning, its history, across the whole world.
Now using one to take down jets with fighter pilots? Well, that's not purely defensive, but it is war you know. You sign up to risk your life. I'm sure they have some very talented jet fighters but you know getting potentially blown up by missiles is part of the job description.
That being said, this war should not exist to begin with, and my hope is not for escalation against Ukraine or Russia but for peace in holy Christiendom. So that we might face the true enemy, the corrupt powers that start these dirty brother wars for profits and political gain.
>My hope is not for escalation against Ukraine or Russia but for peace in holy Christendom
There are lessons to be warned in war from the actual fighters risking their lives, but not their corrupt masters forcing them to fight each other.
On a technical level, war is evolving, and this knowledge can be used for good as well as evil. The pages of history are turning, and it is often brave men with rifles who turn the page.
>My hope is not for escalation against Ukraine or Russia but for peace in holy Christendom
There are lessons to be warned in war from the actual fighters risking their lives, but not their corrupt masters forcing them to fight each other.
On a technical level, war is evolving, and this knowledge can be used for good as well as evil. The pages of history are turning, and it is often brave men with rifles who turn the page.
Whoa whoa whoa, let's cool it with the antisemitism, ok?
>but for peace in holy Christiendom. So that we might face the true enemy, the corrupt powers that start these dirty brother wars for profits and political gain. >the most muslim country in Europe fighting ukraine >Christian wars
lol
Have they used Khinzals at all in this war? Did they seriously save their ubermissiles just in case Ukraine was given a crumb of Patriot?
All for this... 7-0...
Imagine being the guys building and maintaining these missiles >just you wait, once the hypersonic eyebrow is raised, the sky will be ours
I bet their livers are taking this news poorly.
They apparently used a few earlier on in the war. I distinctly remember anons were shitting on them for throwing a Kinzhal at a barn or something and I do think there was mainstream media coverage that they shot their unstoppable missile. Pic related is a yook source for Russian missile expenditure, but in it they claim they had shot 10 Kinzhals at them in February. Now obviously there's no way to verify that tbh but it's a interesting claim nonetheless.
The US isn't sending F-16's but they won't block them. Which is why the UK is now buying F-16's from other countries to give to Ukraine. According to my mate, they've been training Ukrainians on western aircraft for a long time, just not openly. It'd be interesting to see if that is true. I still want couple of Eurofighters or Tornados to be given over. Do what they were designed to do.
The training, yes. As for the F-16's coming, that is official stuff.
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Anonymous
>As for the F-16's coming, that is official stuff
no it isnt. the u.s simply said they wont block the export. no country has actually made the decision to send f-16s
this conversation has been going on for a literal year now
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
Which is why I said they're coming. The UK and Netherlands didn't set up a group to buy F-16's if they didn't plan to send them and they're not getting training in the UK (like I said) for no reason.
>no it isnt >Britain and the Netherlands are working on an “international coalition” to help Ukraine procure F-16 fighter jets that Kyiv says are vital to its defense as Russia ramps up its aerial strikes, a spokesperson for UK Prime Minister Rishi Sunak said Tuesday.
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
Which is why I said they're coming. The UK and Netherlands didn't set up a group to buy F-16's if they didn't plan to send them and they're not getting training in the UK (like I said) for no reason.
great, theyve been saying the same shit for months. pay attention
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
What? They've not said they're actively training AND procuring F-16's to send.
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
Great, do you know that the procurement process will be mired in layers upon layers of bureaucracy and flip flopping politics? And thats before the logistical effort of shipping and maintaining them begins
Ukraine isnt getting f-16s any time soon
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
>this conversation has been going on for a literal year now
Thats how long it takes to train pilots, now they are trained they can talk about supplying.
The same happened with the tanks, air defence, long range weapons.
Governments won't announce the supply of weapons until after the Ukrainians are trained in them.
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
That one youtube channel with the powerpoint presentations that PrepHole shills said it can easily take a year to ramp up to providing F-16s
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
The US put 2 Ukranian pilots through a test program and determined that it will only take 4 months to get them qualified on an F-16
They used a bunch of Kinzhals and Iskanders in week 1. The initial ineffectual "decapitation" strike on Ukrainian C3 and early warning was done by Iskanders and Kinzhals.
>six wunderwaffe destroyed to chip the paint of one part of a patriot system, which is fixed up in days >claim this as a glorious victory
literally Qing-tier "both sides claim victory" shit
To be fair to the vatniks, their hilarious inability to destroy a single HIMARS (i.e. a bigass truck with a bigass missile launcher on the back) for almost a year straight has set the bar so low that lightly damaging an anti-air asset with an airstrike is, relatively speaking, a pretty impressive accomplishment.
HIMARS are always on the move. Hiding. Some firing missions require driving half a day.
The damaged patriot was static in the middle of a park near Kiev in front of dozens of commie blocks. Everybody knows where they are placed.
This was a probing attack retards.
Now Russia knows that 6 kinzhals = damaged patriot
Next time Russia will launch 12 kinzhals and the patriot will be deleted ))
I am shocked and dismayed at the incredible gullibility of westerners as they think this is the ends and not the beginning of the new missile campaign within the ukraine. These missiles were simply to test the waters for the final and deadly application of the new land launched Tsirkon hypersonic missile, which has no flaws similar to the obsolete dagger.
>These missiles were simply to test the waters for the final and deadly application of the new land launched Tsirkon hypersonic missile, which has no flaws similar to the obsolete dagger.
The invasion of Kyiv was just a diversion. Seriously bros. Just a diversion.
So there'll be Khinzal attacks each night for the week, right? Because there's nothing to stop them, right? Because if there aren't, that would kind of demonstrate that you're full of shit, right?
>Iskanders are not precise enough to hit that small target.
Iskanders, for all that some people were fucking shitting bricks about them years ago when they deployed them to Kaliningrad, have turned out to be supremely shit lol
iskanders are precise enough to hit city the size of Berlin and can be nuclear tipped - basically mass destruction terror weapons it does not have to be very accurate
its enough enough to "shit bricks"
Yeah, no, I'm not buying that. Lemme link some Daily Mail video, specifically at the 17 second mark.
The clip isn't great, but we can see two missiles coming in, and both are trailing debris, indicating they've been hit, although not destroyed outright. Note that in the first image from the array, there's still a glow at ground level, like a split-second before impact, and the smoke trail from both inbounds is still visible at the very top. The damaged missile can then be seen veering as its control surfaces come apart before it hits the ground. This is either two missiles getting splashed, or one big one that broke apart and came down together.
Even if the original claim were true and Ukraine did spend disproportionately more in dollar value per missile, it's irrelevant to them since they're getting them for free and the West has several orders of magnitude more money than Russia does.
>Russia fired a bunch of hypersonic missiles at a patriot antiair >vatniks claimed to destroy patriot. >vatniks walks back claim and say they disabled it. >nato says it might be damaged. Well actually hold on its still operational. >vatniks claim to have destroyed 5 patriots actually and they go to school in Canada you wouldn't know them. >Three missile scientists are sent to gulag. Such is life in Russia.
>Russian strikes over Kiev have gotten BTFO since Patriot moved into the neighborhood >After one strike, a video shows Patriot missiles launching (no direct LoS), then jumps to an hour before, with an explosion along roughly the same heading (again, no LoS, so range impossible to estimate) >Russia starts claiming Patriot kill >CNN cites ANONYMOUS SOURCES about a possible patriot that was possibly damaged possibly >White House says "I haven't heard about it" >Russia claims that they destroyed five launchers and a radar except that it was also a friendly fire because the missiles malfunctioned >Pentagon says launcher is fine next morning
One of the launchers got some shrapnel spray from a kill, and they took it offline overnight to check if any wires got cut.
I still don't understand the obsession over weather or not a patriot battery was damaged.
The missiles are the expensive part, and instead of those posts of a Ukrainian ammunition explosion that took out 197% of Ukraine's missiles.
I still haven't seen any Russians even faking that they took out the Patriot systems missiles.
Because their brains are broken. It's the only explanation for anything. As soon as they catch whiff of the first narrative they take if and go all in. The JFK Jrs of the Russian world.
>fire 32 missiles, waste the battery
>follow up with second wave
>profit???
Are Russians retarded? Oh wait, they're not even targeting military.
The Ukies have PAC-3, a battery can hold up to 128 of the things. There's no saturating a PAC-3 battery unless you are China. Even a "half and half" load would give them 80 interceptors to play with.
Russia can launch 80 Shaheeds then 80 Kinzhals 😉
>80 shasneeds and 80 feedzhals
launching 80 of those buzzing lawnmowers at Kyiv simultaneously is a good way to get them all detected and intercepted even earlier
>implying patriots will ever be used to intercept sneeds
Feed it the sneeds
Ukraine has two LAUNCHERS.
Not two batteries. This has always been a retarded thing people got wrong.
Incorrect. According to the intel leaks 6 launchers were delivered March 14th. With a further 6 launchers from allies on the way but without dates to be delivered.
>According to doctored nonsense
And that still isn't two batteries
>doctored nonsense
the KIA/WIA counts were doctored by the vatniks. The rest wasn't. This is well known. You don't have proof they only have two launchers either way.
>and that still isn't two batteries
I didn't say it was retard. I said you were wrong it was too launchers.
Now seethe
The Netherlands ALONE handed over two launchers retard.
Imagine wasting all your limited missile stockpile with a poor little SAM just to fail miserably.
that man looks like he could use a banana
This to me its pretty indicative that nothing intact actually got through that night despite the zigger cope. Those launchers are minimally armored if at all. The launch canisters are just aluminum and I don't think any of it is ballistic grade shit. The amount of fragmentation from a fully functioning weapon in the weight class that the Russian's were throwing that night would have damaged the subsystems hidden what likely just flimsy paneling intended for environmental protection even if they missed. All they needed to do was hit in the general spot and hopefully be unobstructed by buildings/hills. The frag at velocity would have done the rest. kek
there is literal video footage that proves otherwise. you are the one coping, my friend.
here's your (you) now head back to /chug/ to seethe and cope gay.
>screeching when presented with actual fact instead of paragraphs of his own copium
where are the actual evidence retard?
>screeching when presented with actual fact
but 4chanfag anon, you didn't present any evidence, you just keep feeding me (you)s and delusions 🙂
you are a retard
damn man, you should consult a mental health professional because delusions, paranoia and anger are a sign of a developing psychosis
Too bad!
There is literally no proof of what you claim happening in the video, you coping you gay shitskin
May I see the destroyed battery from satellite or drone photos? It would be an unprecedented accomplishment id Russia was able to overcome and destroy a patriot battery in its entirety. Proofs?
may i see the repaired battery?
launch another missile attack, you'll see it knocking your unstoppable hypermemes down as you seethe 🙂
>russia has not launched another missile attack since claiming to have destroyed the patriot
huh yeah totally not suHispanicious at all
>not going to spoon feed
>multiple videos have been posted
>still image of flash on 144p quality
>twitter/telegram screencaps
is that not enough proof for you anon? kek
Vatniks believe 4 story buildings are HIMARS so they have no standard for evidence. I never realized how retarded Russians were until this war
The ones that have a little bit of shame shut up when TWENTY-ONE of their stealth cruise missiles got shot down the day after they claimed they destroyed the Patriot battery. You're seeing the most retarded ones now.
XAXAXAXA hohols are the coping so hard.
Here is battery being explosion.
Here you go Anon, recorded during the attack.
I guess there's nothing to have stopped your Khinzals the last two nights then, huh? Oh wait fug
>there is literal video footage
(You) don't say?
Please, post enough for the whole class to watch.
where?
It truly must be embarrassing to be Russian.
>Still seething about the hypersanic Kinzhal meme.
>Day after day.
>For free.
There is so much talk about Patriot missile system and Patriots and just making people aware of that word and its meaning, its history, across the whole world.
Now using one to take down jets with fighter pilots? Well, that's not purely defensive, but it is war you know. You sign up to risk your life. I'm sure they have some very talented jet fighters but you know getting potentially blown up by missiles is part of the job description.
That being said, this war should not exist to begin with, and my hope is not for escalation against Ukraine or Russia but for peace in holy Christiendom. So that we might face the true enemy, the corrupt powers that start these dirty brother wars for profits and political gain.
>My hope is not for escalation against Ukraine or Russia but for peace in holy Christendom
There are lessons to be warned in war from the actual fighters risking their lives, but not their corrupt masters forcing them to fight each other.
On a technical level, war is evolving, and this knowledge can be used for good as well as evil. The pages of history are turning, and it is often brave men with rifles who turn the page.
Whoa whoa whoa, let's cool it with the antisemitism, ok?
>but for peace in holy Christiendom. So that we might face the true enemy, the corrupt powers that start these dirty brother wars for profits and political gain.
>the most muslim country in Europe fighting ukraine
>Christian wars
lol
Then will be peace when Russia leaves Ukraine and not before
Still waiting for photos
LOL! the patriot came back under its own power!
It never went anywhere, Russia failed.
Have they used Khinzals at all in this war? Did they seriously save their ubermissiles just in case Ukraine was given a crumb of Patriot?
All for this... 7-0...
Imagine being the guys building and maintaining these missiles
>just you wait, once the hypersonic eyebrow is raised, the sky will be ours
I bet their livers are taking this news poorly.
They apparently used a few earlier on in the war. I distinctly remember anons were shitting on them for throwing a Kinzhal at a barn or something and I do think there was mainstream media coverage that they shot their unstoppable missile. Pic related is a yook source for Russian missile expenditure, but in it they claim they had shot 10 Kinzhals at them in February. Now obviously there's no way to verify that tbh but it's a interesting claim nonetheless.
>shot 10 Kinzhals at them in February
I meant as of feb I don't even know if they have enough MiG-31Ks to lob 10 in one go.
they can launch from tu-22m's and they probably have 10-20 of those airworthy of 60 on the books
Russia has a lot of s300, Is that why the US doesn't want to send the f16?
the DoD just said they won't block F16 transfers lol
The US isn't sending F-16's but they won't block them. Which is why the UK is now buying F-16's from other countries to give to Ukraine. According to my mate, they've been training Ukrainians on western aircraft for a long time, just not openly. It'd be interesting to see if that is true. I still want couple of Eurofighters or Tornados to be given over. Do what they were designed to do.
Anyway yeah, F-16's are coming.
>According to my mate
The training, yes. As for the F-16's coming, that is official stuff.
>As for the F-16's coming, that is official stuff
no it isnt. the u.s simply said they wont block the export. no country has actually made the decision to send f-16s
this conversation has been going on for a literal year now
Which is why I said they're coming. The UK and Netherlands didn't set up a group to buy F-16's if they didn't plan to send them and they're not getting training in the UK (like I said) for no reason.
https://www.itv.com/news/2023-05-17/uk-training-for-ukraine-pilots-to-fly-f-16-fighter-jets-will-be-game-changer
https://edition.cnn.com/2023/05/16/europe/uk-netherlands-ukraine-f-16-fighters-intl-hnk/index.html
>no it isnt
>Britain and the Netherlands are working on an “international coalition” to help Ukraine procure F-16 fighter jets that Kyiv says are vital to its defense as Russia ramps up its aerial strikes, a spokesperson for UK Prime Minister Rishi Sunak said Tuesday.
great, theyve been saying the same shit for months. pay attention
What? They've not said they're actively training AND procuring F-16's to send.
Great, do you know that the procurement process will be mired in layers upon layers of bureaucracy and flip flopping politics? And thats before the logistical effort of shipping and maintaining them begins
Ukraine isnt getting f-16s any time soon
>this conversation has been going on for a literal year now
Thats how long it takes to train pilots, now they are trained they can talk about supplying.
The same happened with the tanks, air defence, long range weapons.
Governments won't announce the supply of weapons until after the Ukrainians are trained in them.
That one youtube channel with the powerpoint presentations that PrepHole shills said it can easily take a year to ramp up to providing F-16s
The US put 2 Ukranian pilots through a test program and determined that it will only take 4 months to get them qualified on an F-16
https://news.yahoo.com/exclusive-us-could-train-ukrainian-pilots-to-fly-f-16s-in-4-months-184136820.html
>throwing a Kinzhal at a barn
I distinctly remember this too. They missed the barn, too. Litteraly missed the broad side of a barn
They used a bunch of Kinzhals and Iskanders in week 1. The initial ineffectual "decapitation" strike on Ukrainian C3 and early warning was done by Iskanders and Kinzhals.
I thought it wasn't damaged in the first place? I thought CNN lied about those government sources you said?
>six wunderwaffe destroyed to chip the paint of one part of a patriot system, which is fixed up in days
>claim this as a glorious victory
literally Qing-tier "both sides claim victory" shit
To be fair to the vatniks, their hilarious inability to destroy a single HIMARS (i.e. a bigass truck with a bigass missile launcher on the back) for almost a year straight has set the bar so low that lightly damaging an anti-air asset with an airstrike is, relatively speaking, a pretty impressive accomplishment.
HIMARS are always on the move. Hiding. Some firing missions require driving half a day.
The damaged patriot was static in the middle of a park near Kiev in front of dozens of commie blocks. Everybody knows where they are placed.
They aren't at the stadium anymore
This was a probing attack retards.
Now Russia knows that 6 kinzhals = damaged patriot
Next time Russia will launch 12 kinzhals and the patriot will be deleted ))
Next time Ukies put PATRIOT decoys all over.
I am shocked and dismayed at the incredible gullibility of westerners as they think this is the ends and not the beginning of the new missile campaign within the ukraine. These missiles were simply to test the waters for the final and deadly application of the new land launched Tsirkon hypersonic missile, which has no flaws similar to the obsolete dagger.
>These missiles were simply to test the waters for the final and deadly application of the new land launched Tsirkon hypersonic missile, which has no flaws similar to the obsolete dagger.
The invasion of Kyiv was just a diversion. Seriously bros. Just a diversion.
>THE PATRIOT SYSTEM DIDN'T GET HIT
>IT INTERCEPTED ALL RUSSIAN MISSILES
later.....
>well ok it did get hit
>BUT IT'S ALREADY REPAIRED SO TAKE THAT!!!
It appears my superiority has led to some controversy.
So there'll be Khinzal attacks each night for the week, right? Because there's nothing to stop them, right? Because if there aren't, that would kind of demonstrate that you're full of shit, right?
Nobody claims it was hit though.
It was damaged by the debris, most likely from own misfire.
Iskanders are not precise enough to hit that small target.
>Iskanders are not precise enough to hit that small target.
Iskanders, for all that some people were fucking shitting bricks about them years ago when they deployed them to Kaliningrad, have turned out to be supremely shit lol
iskanders are precise enough to hit city the size of Berlin and can be nuclear tipped - basically mass destruction terror weapons it does not have to be very accurate
its enough enough to "shit bricks"
Yeah, no, I'm not buying that. Lemme link some Daily Mail video, specifically at the 17 second mark.
The clip isn't great, but we can see two missiles coming in, and both are trailing debris, indicating they've been hit, although not destroyed outright. Note that in the first image from the array, there's still a glow at ground level, like a split-second before impact, and the smoke trail from both inbounds is still visible at the very top. The damaged missile can then be seen veering as its control surfaces come apart before it hits the ground. This is either two missiles getting splashed, or one big one that broke apart and came down together.
Zister bros...
Most antimissile systems launch more than one missile to intercept.
Even if the original claim were true and Ukraine did spend disproportionately more in dollar value per missile, it's irrelevant to them since they're getting them for free and the West has several orders of magnitude more money than Russia does.
>dollar value per missile
Let us see the numbers.
> t. - whatever you do, DO NOT read the wikipedia first
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MIM-104_Patriot
leftie wall of text
Cheaper than not intercept them.
can someone tldr me what happened
>Russia fired a bunch of hypersonic missiles at a patriot antiair
>vatniks claimed to destroy patriot.
>vatniks walks back claim and say they disabled it.
>nato says it might be damaged. Well actually hold on its still operational.
>vatniks claim to have destroyed 5 patriots actually and they go to school in Canada you wouldn't know them.
>Three missile scientists are sent to gulag. Such is life in Russia.
>and they go to school in Canada you wouldn't know them.
lmao
>Russian strikes over Kiev have gotten BTFO since Patriot moved into the neighborhood
>After one strike, a video shows Patriot missiles launching (no direct LoS), then jumps to an hour before, with an explosion along roughly the same heading (again, no LoS, so range impossible to estimate)
>Russia starts claiming Patriot kill
>CNN cites ANONYMOUS SOURCES about a possible patriot that was possibly damaged possibly
>White House says "I haven't heard about it"
>Russia claims that they destroyed five launchers and a radar except that it was also a friendly fire because the missiles malfunctioned
>Pentagon says launcher is fine next morning
One of the launchers got some shrapnel spray from a kill, and they took it offline overnight to check if any wires got cut.
I still don't understand the obsession over weather or not a patriot battery was damaged.
The missiles are the expensive part, and instead of those posts of a Ukrainian ammunition explosion that took out 197% of Ukraine's missiles.
I still haven't seen any Russians even faking that they took out the Patriot systems missiles.
Because their brains are broken. It's the only explanation for anything. As soon as they catch whiff of the first narrative they take if and go all in. The JFK Jrs of the Russian world.