No Sqaud Automatic Weapons in Ukraine?

Is it me or do you never see Ukrainian or Russian troops with SAW type weapons? I only notice platoon level machine guns like the 240 and pkm and company lvl like the 50.

  1. 1 week ago
    Anonymous

    Both sides just hurl their own shit at each other as area denial weapons

  2. 1 week ago
    Anonymous

    there was some footage of bong mercs doing recon and one of them had an rpk

  3. 1 week ago
    Anonymous

    lots of photos and videos of ukies repurposing machine guns from tanks they downed

  4. 1 week ago
    Anonymous

    Do RPKs and PKMs count?

    • 1 week ago
      Anonymous

      PKM no, its like the 240.
      Not sure about the RPK, a 762 drum seems heavy along with a longer barrel seems to heavy.
      A SAW can be shoulder fired and used to clear buildings. The M249 is the most casually producing small arm according to 11Bs. The 249 also shares the same 556.

      • 1 week ago
        Anonymous

        >PKM no, its like the 240
        Official doctrine yes, but Russians have been using the PKM over the RPK even for SAW purposes for quite sometime.
        Same can be said for Ukes, FN MAGs/240s may not exactly be distributed perfectly at the squad level, but they're definitely more prevalent in Plt sized elements than most NATO countries agree on... which kind of sucks because I think RPKs are pretty cool, but it seems both sides aren't to crazy about them

      • 1 week ago
        Anonymous

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        >PKM no, its like the 240.
        PKMs are considerably lighter than 240 it's closer to the Mk 48 both in weight and usage.

        >dont all branches of US military hate these things
        No. Its not light and easy as having m4 carbine but doesn't suck dick no where near as much as being in heavy weapons squad god forbid being the assistant gunner or ammo bearer for the 240.

        SAWs running on mags sucks major dick

        • 1 week ago
          Anonymous

          >SAWs running on mags sucks major dick
          SAWs use drums, it being able to use mags as well are last ditch oh fuck features

      • 1 week ago
        Anonymous

        pkm is light enough but the ammo belts and box mags are insanely heavy

      • 1 week ago
        Anonymous

        >isn't sure if a pkm or an rpk are SAWs

  5. 1 week ago
    Anonymous

    I've seen lots of GPMGs, it seems like with how static stuff is you're either suppressing an area with a PKM or you're throwing grenades/dropping them from drones and assaulting with your personal carbine

  6. 1 week ago
    Anonymous

    Many militaries use 240 and PKM type weapons at the squad level

    • 1 week ago
      Anonymous

      >Many militaries use 240 and PKM type weapons at the squad level
      1 squad in a platoon out of 4 that's called heavy weapons squad. The rest of the squads not heavy have SAWs.

      • 1 week ago
        Anonymous

        The UK has a M240 and a DMR for every infantry squad

      • 1 week ago
        Anonymous

        My bro, are you dense? We're not discussing US military doctrine here?

  7. 1 week ago
    Anonymous

    >SAW
    dont all branches of US military hate these things

    • 1 week ago
      Anonymous

      they're a bit clapped out at this point, they were good when they were new

    • 1 week ago
      Anonymous

      >dont all branches of US military hate these things
      No. Its not light and easy as having m4 carbine but doesn't suck dick no where near as much as being in heavy weapons squad god forbid being the assistant gunner or ammo bearer for the 240.

    • 1 week ago
      Anonymous

      No, the problem is that most m249s are pretty old

  8. 1 week ago
    Anonymous

    >platoon level machine guns like the 240
    estonians use swedish license 240 on squad level, why do you need a SAW?

    • 1 week ago
      Anonymous

      >estonians use swedish license 240 on squad level
      Every single squad in a platoon? Doubt it.
      The 240 is not mobile, it needs to be set up and micro positioned preferably on a tripod

      • 1 week ago
        Anonymous

        we ran 10 man squads
        it had the following
        1x squad leader AK4
        1x squad leader assistant AK4+UGL
        1x MG KSP58
        1x MG assistant AK4 + ammo belts and spare barrel for KSP58
        1x AT AK4+carl gustav
        1x AT assistant AK4 + CG ammo
        1x medic AK4
        3x rifleman AK4 and usually had training for 50cal HMG or replacment for either the MG or AT
        and this is light infantry battalion

        • 1 week ago
          Anonymous

          Your battle drills must be allot different then. We just had 1 heavy squad with two 240s that would set up for other squads to maneuver, but this was the army during the WOT, not sure what they are doing now.

          • 1 week ago
            Anonymous

            lots BRAAP and BANG

          • 1 week ago
            Anonymous

            US Army still does the same thing. In an Rifle Platoon there are 3 rifle squads with 2 SAWs each - and 1 weapons squad with 2 240s

          • 1 week ago
            Anonymous

            Estonian here served in 2020/21 as squad leader. Ran a 8 man dismount/2 men in the APC setup.
            Squad leader Galil AR
            Deputy squad leader Galil AR w UGL
            Sharpshooter w scoped M14
            Combat medic w Galil AR
            MG gunner w MG3
            Assistan Gunner w barrels and MG3 ammo and galil AR
            AT guy with Carl Gustav M2 and galil
            Assistant AT with CG ammo and galil
            Pasi XA-188 APC w M2 browning

            We sometimes formed heavy weapon squads eg I would give away my MG gunner pair and would recieve a additional medic and sharpshooter, however that was rare, instead if we went full infantry, we ususally took off the browning from one of our APC-s and had it attach to the fire squad, while the manouver squad would remain the same.

            • 1 week ago
              Anonymous

              has any conscript even been issued an galatz? its always AK4 TP or M14 TP

              • 1 week ago
                Anonymous

                galatzes were collecting dust in the weapons room + the R20 switch made sure that they would be phased out.

            • 1 week ago
              Anonymous

              >Deputy squad leader Galil AR w UGL
              what GL do they use? mounting to the galil must be a pain if not pretty heavy too

              • 1 week ago
                Anonymous

                Don't know the exact model, some sort of HK one if i remember correctly.

        • 1 week ago
          Anonymous

          >10 man
          I will never understand why armies don't double up on the MG and AT capacity of their squads. Every second rifleman in a first world army should be packing a GL as well

          • 1 week ago
            Anonymous

            Shit is heavy

            • 1 week ago
              Anonymous

              M2 at 15kg is a bitch
              M4 at 6kg sounds like a dream, ammo is still a bitch to lug around

            • 1 week ago
              Anonymous

              you're infantry. Since when has turning your guys into a mule team ever been an issue before?

              • 1 week ago
                Anonymous

                It's easy to tell other people what to do when you never have to do it yourself.

              • 1 week ago
                Anonymous

                What i hated about heavy weapons sqaud was how everyone was always wondering why you are slower than everyone. I thoroughly enjoyed watching those people fumble around like retards with belt links when they get switched to it.

      • 1 week ago
        Anonymous

        Your battle drills must be allot different then. We just had 1 heavy squad with two 240s that would set up for other squads to maneuver, but this was the army during the WOT, not sure what they are doing now.

        >Retarded private discovers that different militaries have different training, tactics, and doctrine.

        I don't know who your Team Leader is but I hope he finds out what kind of retarded drivel you're posting here.

        • 1 week ago
          Anonymous

          You have a hipster complex? No shit its different, the OP starts by pointing out a big difference as the topic.
          >Team Leader
          They are not very smart anon

          • 1 week ago
            Anonymous

            >You have a hipster complex?

            Yes, he could have Googled this. Literally just looking at BattleOrder shows that a ton of militaries outside the US use 7.62mm MGs as SAWs.

  9. 1 week ago
    Anonymous

    >I only notice platoon level machine guns like the 240 and pkm and company lvl like the 50.

    240s and PKMs are often used at the squad level outside the US.

    • 1 week ago
      Anonymous

      That sucks, you cant escape by joining another squad.

  10. 1 week ago
    Anonymous

    they've been donated SAWs and GPMGs

  11. 1 week ago
    Anonymous

    soviet style armies doesn't have a strict equivalent of the SAW. the closest thing they have is the RPK, and that doesn't have belt or quick change barrel.

    subsequently, a lot of them just go back to the PKM since the RPK have the typical issue of automatic rifle trying to be a LMG.

  12. 1 week ago
    Anonymous

    Yeah, I've also noticed the absence of RPKs which is super weird. Even PKM's seem to be pretty scarce. It seems that 99% of people are just running around with AK's.

  13. 1 week ago
    Anonymous

    This footage came out today

    • 1 week ago
      Anonymous

      imagine the smell

  14. 1 week ago
    Anonymous

    The PKM weighs about the same as the SAW and is also a lot more reliable. It's used the same way the SAW is.

  15. 1 week ago
    Anonymous

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