So, I just saw this about some shipyard in Russia currently building 4 ships of the “Project 22800” class apparently for the Pacific fleet. Going by the pictures these look pretty small, maybe a corvette? Does anyone know about these Project 22800 vessels? Also it’s interesting that they’re still building ships — I know Russia had modernized shipyards which were able to build smaller-sized vessels but I would think they would be reliant on Western parts to a large degree for a modern warship — are these being acquired from sanction-evading efforts? Or just stuff they still had in stock prior to the building project?
>The Karakurt class, Russian designation Project 22800 Karakurt (Russian: Кapaкypт, lit.'Latrodectus tredecimguttatus' European Black Widow), is a new class of Russian corvettes (small missile ships in Russian classification) which have been entering service with the Russian Navy since 2018.
>The ships are designed to be armed with Kalibr or Oniks anti-ship cruise missiles and have an endurance of 15 days
Why wouldn't you just google the project number anon???
That being said yeah they are still building ships, the Russians love corvettes and shit. They're making 10 of a single class of frigate, pic related, the Admiral Gorshkov. These are 5,000 tons vs the 800 of your posted ship so they still have the ability to make fairly large warships. How sanctions have changed that I can't tell you, but they were doing kinda fine-ish up until 2022.
I might be wrong but I think a lot of the overseas companies providing shipbuilding equipment like Samsung Heavy Industries or Mitsubishi aren't divesting from Russia. I don't think the sanctions are affecting them much in this space.
>building
anon if you really think those glorified tug boats are seriously getting worked on, I have an entire folder to show you, full of pictures of BMPs with repurposed naval guns welded on top of them
They seem to be under construction…
>They seem to be under construction
why aren't there any workers there building the ships?
Stop being russiophobic anon
This tank seems to be under construction as well.
I'd still like to see the videos those images come from.
I don't question that the tank hasn't moved but it's easy to just draw numbers on a picture.
i can't check rn since they're geoblocked for me but reverse searching that pic these videos are apparently the origin of the frames
You can’t tell the obvious differences between the photos? The creator obviously could if he felt compelled to heavily distort the top one.
You said that before. Feel free to point them out.
At just a quick glance:
1. Position of the floor block in front of the tank is different.
2. Cover on the barrel muzzle is different.
3. Lots of folds on the turret cover are different.
4. Positioning / spacing of the rows of road wheels on the floor are different.
The photos are similar but not the same because it’s a fricking factory line mass-producing the same things. Ie, maybe tanks in that position of the line get covered for some reason which the video producer used for propaganda purposes / clickbait. The fact that he distorted and shrunk the image so much means he knows damn well what he was doing.
>Lots of folds on the turret cover are different
the folds over the mantlet are identical, homosexual
They are plainly not. Even if you want to die on this hill and pretend that the differences are due to lighting and angle, the explain RIGHT NOW why the muzzle cover is obviously a different size.
>the turret cover is identical BUT AT LEAST THE MUZZLE COVER WAS CHANGED, OKAY!!
ooo scary
It’s not about being scary but about exposing a low-effort clickbait / propaganda grift. Now go ahead and explain the ground block being in a different position and the ground wheel stacks in a different position / spacing.
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They hire oragami masters to get them exactly identical.
Just like those "bombers" in the other thread?
Stop turning into moronic western Vatnik
zigger-sama, you don't have to pretend like you have the resources to spare to outfit combat-capable vehicles for the pacific fleet. Everyone knows you're way too far gone for these boats to be anything more than dressed-up civilian vessels. it's okay
They could be useful for domestic propaganda and pressure campaigns.
Not only for joint naval exercises with China, but also for ops like the Chinese "coast guard" sailing over to the Philippines to hose down Filipino fishing vessels, or to nearly ram Filipino coast guard cutters.
>They wouldn't dare try that shit against Japan
And yet here we are. They're probably dreaming about it.
That's what I'm saying. Who cares if Russia is actually capable of building such ships and is building them when you care more about face. And since Russian face hurts more if they are incapable of building those it means they aren't building them! Literally third world mentality
I think they should go smaller for the Black Sea. Like speed boats.
These ones are for the Pacific. You know, to harass Japan. There's a reason why the JMSDF keeps getting bigger.
>Russian navy.
>To harass Japan.
Oh no they're not this stupid to try a Naval aggression against Japan again are they?
>Oh no they're not this stupid to try a Naval aggression against Japan again are they?
why not? last time it worked so well
(for Japan)
They probably memory holed that defeat as well by now.
>Does anyone know about these Project 22800 vessels?
oh yeah, one was blown up
>it’s interesting that they’re still building ships
they've had to pause construction to redesign them and replace sanctioned parts
as I've posted previously,
>in summary, there are 32 ships currently in various stages of costruction and fitting-out, of which 12 are sub-1000-ton missile boats; and 10-14 submarines, of which 4 were just laid down
>the actual shipbuilding rate annualised is only 2.5 ships, 0.9 missile corvettes, 1.2 nuclear submarines, and 2.5 diesel SSKs with no AIP
>it sounds grand to have so many ships building simultaneously but actual delivery rate is slower than the figure implies
>oh yeah, one was blown up
one was blown up before it was even finished, this happens if your shipyard is in ukraine (crimea)
basically this means no new boats for black sea fleet
Tsiklon (1st Kerch Karakurt) was commissioned in august last year.
And Amur (3rd) is probably pretty close.
the delicious part is that the Askold had just made its maiden deployment actually
it's like watching your worst enemy drive his BMW 5 off the lot and instantly get T-boned
https://twitter.com/rybar_force/status/1702785854773608906
I realize this is a bait thread but somebody should've already posted about how the last hull of this class to be laid down was laid down in 2020 and 2 hulls were cancelled, and the majority of the remaining hulls are going to take 2-6 years to commission.
If you're going to bait about naval shit at least bait with the changs, the Russian navy has been crippled between Ukraine and the baltic sea becoming a NATO pond.
I realise you're moronic, but there are only fifteen fricking posts on this thread above yours and you should've already read them first before posting
Is coffee good for you tho?
Point to the post that talks about this class of ships in particular and how they basically got bumfricked by sanctions. The only one who does post is some moron talking about 2 of them, one of which isn't even commissioned yet and both of which are/will be stuck in port for fear of getting USV'd. Yes there's one post talking about the piss poor state of Russian shipbuilding in general but not specifically of this class, which, as a side note, given the performance of Pantsirs in the current conflict, have no survivability in a shooting war with NATO.
>no survivability in a shooting war with NATO.
that's no-brainer since we can see even a nation with no navy can sink these 220a
> nation with no navy can sink these
The 22800 wasn’t sunk, it was damaged, and it was hit by air power while it was at dock so the naval component is not a factor. Weird thing to lie about. I assume that if it was actually deployed and in a state of combat readiness it could have defending itself from air attack.
>I assume that if it was actually deployed and in a state of combat readiness it could have defending itself from air attack.
you can "assume" anything, but "air defense" on these ships is the same as on these
21 visually confirmed destroyed Pantsir-S1 vehicles. we also know Israel and NATO member Turkey can easily kill these easily, so there is really no reason to believe these ships got any chance in a potential conflict with NATO
…,so, the other 100+ have worked fine? Russia could never update the software of the AD system they make to handle small drones? Why isn’t Moscow a burning pile of ruble by now? What happens to 99% of the thousands of drones Ukraine supposedly makes a month?
the remaining systems have been put on the most stupid places far away from any danger
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2023/jan/19/defensive-missile-systems-erected-on-moscow-rooftops
>The 22800 wasn’t sunk, it was damaged
beyond economical repair
Not for such an inexpensive vessel, probably not. But the poster lied about it being sunk and about it being done by a non-existent navy just to repeat le ebin meme. Furthermore he made a false statement about it being unable to defend itself when it was docked at the time of the air attack and obviously not in a combat-ready state. Basically he just posted to jack off to social feedback from repeating a meme.
>Point to the post that talks about this class of ships in particular
here, dipshit
>there's one post talking about the piss poor state of Russian shipbuilding in general but not specifically of this class
how much more detail do you fricking need?
>which, as a side note, given the performance of Pantsirs in the current conflict, have no survivability in a shooting war with NATO
as already shown by the fact that one of them was blown the frick up already
I felt the need to post about the sorry state of this class in particular since you can see exactly how the funds (and presumably access to high tech components) dried up by looking at how the laying down of hulls basically slowly petered out and lead to eventual cancellations, which is relevant to OP's moronation.
The Russian navy has been crippled by being the Russian navy
It doesn't matter. As long as Bospherous straits are closed then they can make as many ships they want in the Pacific/Baltics/Arctic, they can never get to Ukraine where their shipyards are being targeted by Storm Shadows and naval drones.
why doesnt ukraine strike these shipbuilding facitilites? it's not like russia could repair them fast enough
>corvette
>pacific
how the mighty have fallen
>Does anyone know about these Project 22800 vessels?
They're quite literally designed to line the pockets of the MIC. Not even BAE or Lockheed Martin could convince a western government to let them build corvette's to patrol drying inland seas that are surrounded on all sides by friendly nations. It's really quite impressive just what the russian mic can get away with
Russian shipbuilding requires essential parts from Europe, Korea, and Japan.
If they can keep building it, it means that sanctions are not imposed properly.