I get that Crye pants are often considered the best, but holy shit, how much better can they really be to justify an over $300 price tag?
Any suggestions for good combat pants and other clothing that isn’t cheap airsoft shit, but isn’t a huge ripoff priced towards Uncle Sam?
I don’t need the absolute best, but something built to last that won’t glow like a lamp under night vision would be nice.
Varustuleka maybe.
What do you guys think about wearing black G3 pants for travel and hiking?
>going out in public/traveling in combat pants for reasons
Id think youre some moron autist. I own g3s and g4s btw
I am autistic. I just don't know what kind of pants to wear. I have jeans. I don't like khakis or chinos. And I like having extra pockets for light traveling because I fly places a lot and don't like taking more than a small backpack.
Then buy cargo pants so you look somewhat normal. Id personally stick with jeans for traveling.
>cargo pants
>look normal
It's not that everyone in cargo pants is instantly a mall ninja in my eyes, it's that they're turbo autists first and people maybe third or fourth. Sure cargo pants are great for packing your pants full of extraneous shit, but don't do that so you don't look moronic. Cargo pants are fine if you're too young to buy a gun, almost everyone is poor-larpy at that age.
Gotta let it out
Hiking pants, Khul
How about surplus from the last decade or 2?? It's cheap, and meets all specifications you'd be looking for.
If you can pull off a techwear outfit, it's acceptable. But you have to be reasonably fit for it to look good
Just get 5.11 pants and get those Klein Tools kneepads that you can put on under your pants, don’t go turbo autist and wear G3s everywhere lmao
>Varustuleka
>sells cat 7 tqs for $45
Yeah, no.
Waste of money when anyone who has nods that would fight you would have FLIR
It’s similar to my philosophy when it comes to wearing armor:
I have on armor that will defeat the rifle rounds I myself carry. It won’t stop everything.
I’m looking to do something similar with NV, not defeat all detection. That’s a fools errand.
Lots of people that have nods dont have thermal. Dumb of you to make that assumption
Lmao who do you fricking think youll actually have to use your gear for?
Hiking with likeminded friends.
Serious use though? I legit hope I never have to use it.
But I’d rather have it and not need it that need it and not have it in the event of some kind of collapse of polite society along with its structure and rules.
People can’t even manage the power grid going down for 3 days well… you start to see them reverting to selfish impulse even when they know the power is coming back on any day now, and that life will continue as normal…
Imagine what they would do with no end in sight, hungry kids, and a grocery store that isn’t getting resupplied.
I don’t own weapons and gear because I’m some butter who fantasizes about playing Rambo. I own weapons and gear because I’m a fan of civilized behavior and polite society; and I’m keenly aware of how fragile it actually is.
So you're gonna hunt down your friends in the woods? You're just consooming product.
Buying guns is also consooming product, yet you post on a board dedicated towards it
Hmmm
consooming means buying anything he doesn't approve of.
You're not freedom fighters gearing up, you're playing dress up.
i am SO a freedom fighter. i tell people they WNBAW online.
STUNNING AND BRAVE
YWNBAW
Posting guns so lick my nuts
Why does a simple fact upset you? Its perfectly fine to larp, but please dont take yourself seriously.
Why are you larping as japanese with tour gay manga mag
Whats it to you homosexual
Who are you even talking to moron
Are you stupid or just blind?
You dont even know which anon youre talking to you dumb shit
No seriously camt you fricking read?
No seriously you moronic weeb do you know how this site works or are you a fricking dipshit
Thats what I thought, moron. Open your eyes next time and you wont have to mimic me woth tears in your eyes.
>mimics others
Thats some mighty fine projection there homosexual. Go frick your cat or pillow
Everything in this hobby is ridiculously priced. There's $50+ GP pouches, $120+ mini backpacks.
Things get easier to swallow once you accept that most of the "gucci" products in the tactical and outdoor industry are often going to be $100+
How is $300 pants more unreasonable than buying a $200+ Surefire flashlight or some other ridiculous gun crap, like the Hydra mount?
I bet if you're actually the type that would go outside and wear the pants, you'd have many more hours of active use on them then you would the next flashlight, optic riser, or other stupid crap the influencers shill onto us.
That’s definitely a reasonable argument, and I probably will try to pick up a pair of Cryes eventually. I mean, I do spend more money on ammo after all, and that’s a consumable… well, everything is a consumable if you really get down to it, even your knees…
But my thinking is this:
I need combat pants that are 70%+ as good as Cryes for half the cost or less.
Why? Because I’m not made of money right now and I need to cut costs somewhere.
I’d rather buy more ammo or upgrade the optics on some of my pistols at the moment than spend it on what are essentially still just pants.
Or a Cryes just that mind blowingly good? I guess I’m skeptical that I couldn’t get something perfectly serviceable in the meantime for a hell of a lot less.
>Or a Cryes just that mind blowingly good?
i have a set of UAE cryes i got used for like 100 bucks. they are very comfortable, fire resistant and dont shine under nightvision. if it was my JOB to be a soldier i would definitely prefer to have these over 5.11 or condor but if you're just a regular fella they probably aren't worth all the money.
Ebay?
venture surplus
Get a pair of surplus Team Soldier FR Army Combat Pants (ACP) off eBay. Cost is $60-80 and they take Crye knee pads.
https://www.ebay.com/itm/204601193678
If you are trying to save money, just buy decent pants. Worring about certified minimal NIR signature clothing when you don't have night vision sensors is silly. You'll be inside at night. Camo appropriate to your local environment will evade detection during the day, even if it has a high NIR reflectivity. Lighter patterns stand out less under NVGs and polyester fabric is super reflective.
Haven't used Crye's but I have used lots of different pants with integrated kneepads. Those are mostly a joke in my experience. Wear kneepads if you need them, skip them if you don't. Intregrated kneepads, if they are positioned correctly, kinda make kneeling nicer and thats it. They are not a viable substitute of dedicated kneepads for working in rough terrain or being on knees for a long period of time.
Cryes are decent and are pretty good made. Ebay sometimes either gives you a slightly cheaper price or more expensive. But aside from that, if you don't want to pay that much, buy military surplus made by military contractors. Army combat pants(talking about the ones with the crye knee slots, not the regular ACU)seems like a good alternative along with it being $70-$100 per pair and you can get army combat shirt for like $20.
Flashlights actually make sense as they've proven to be more durable and more capable. The Hydra mount is just a company milking morons by shilling them a product that maybe is useful on a handful of niche firearms.
The clothing is just moronic. Crye in particular is run by two literal dyel types in NYC who literally just moved an Asian sweatshop state side for military contracts.
Pic related is their factory
>Pingping and Lingling are making Crye
>Juanita Consuela Alexanderia Cortez Gonzalez de la Rosa de Santa Rodriguez and George made the best outer layers
>Laquan and Lasawna make Daniel Defense guns, QC down the drain
Good. I prefer Chinese and Mexicans because their tiny hands can get the stitches right where I need them.
I cant remember what they were called, but some of the OCP pants have the crye sleeves. I presume theyre cheap, most milsurp is.
OP, go to your local surplus store and peruse the rack. Just get used stuff, it's already pre-farted in so you're good.
Use that leftover cash for more ammo.
Arktis c222 ranger pants but you can't get them in multicam because crye sued them for having *not multicam* they are about the same quality a little cheaper but made in Britain. I have cz omega 4 pants which are great too but good luck finding those anymore.
Sure you can, theyve stocked multicam for a couple of years now. Kommandostore just didnt bring them in so youve got to do it yourself.
Those pants cost like 1/4th of my car.
good pants, socks and undies are priceless. i'll spend it all
Get surplus you frick. You want to look like a coolguy you have to pay coolguy prices sucks but thats how it is. No a chink eotech clone isnr just as good if you want the eotech look you get an eotech. Same for the tanodized vortex razors, same with an aimpoint etc. So nothing changes ever. There is no just as good chink brand of crye clothing. Just accept it and live your life accprdingly. Get suplus shit, it is the only that that is in fact as good as long lasting downright on some cases better. And save your pennies for a crye set and dont waste your money on stupid copies. Dont buy cheap clone shit you are better than that.
you may not like it, but this is what peak operator performance looks like.
Buy used
Some guys (me) just have all the luck
Those are chinese. or maybe pakistani
Depends where you live. Plenty of brands that make good gear for 1/3 of the price of Crye in Europe (Clawgear for exemple).
If you really want a Crye G3 style just buy a chinese knockoff from Pew Tactical/Emersongear/Idogear. You can have a complet set up for $100/150. Decent quality durable and it doesn't shine under nods. Plenty of reviews on youtube.
Surplus gear might be a solution but depending how it was used or washed it can lose its NIR qualities
If your lucky second hand but most will try to israelite you
Hey dipshit he can just use the hippie all natural soap to wash it again and get it back to normal. Ir reflectiveness or a material is not some sort of coati g that goes away like a der coating that wears away. It's the fricking fabric itself, the soap if wrong the soap, has optical brighteners you little dunning kreuger shit but the soap can be washed off and thus the optical brighteners wash off along with it. Frick you parrot morons leave out some really important shit most of the time.
>Of a material, is not a coating like dwr
Frick
Optical brighteners can be washed off. NIR shit is ingrained in the fabric permanently much like how flame resistant military clothing are.
I want to buy bundeswehr surplus BDUs because I like flecktarn... will that stuff be IR compliant or no? Im confused
you're not a soldier you're not going into combat stop wasting your money on larp nonsense and dress like an adult
>dress like an adult
>caring what others think
Maybe you should take your advice, bending to the opinions of others is childish.
seething larper
Surplus
300 is a steal
300 is literally the average price for crye products. 3k like in pic related is due to it being a prototype(?), which will be more expensive.
Hi, own a handful of Cryes here.
After several years of using them i DO agree that they're very overrated and like you and everyone would imagine you're just paying for the name.
They're made of the same 50/50 blend cheap Army Issue ACU OCPs are made of.
The only difference is they accept kneepads ans stretch a bit.
Got my new UF Pro multicam combat top. Gonna grab surplus army tactical pants to go with it
I really enjoyed my ClawGear pants while serving. Many of my brothers-in-arms got the same pants because of my feedback and how cool they look
They're the best clothes at their job. They cost that much for a reason. I can almost guarantee you will not see that value if you just want them for LARPing. Remember that some hard doorkicking motherfrickers have done their most famous work in blue jeans.
That being said, if you really want to feel opr8r, nothing's going to beat the feeling of $300 fabric professionally engineered to be worn while killing people.
https://norarm.com/
Still expensive, but should save you a bit of money.