1. Target Russian AMMO. Manufacturing, storage, etc. Ramp up sabotage and targeting. Even expendable cannon fodder like Wagner convicts need something called bullets. By the same token, Russian artillery only works when it has ammo to go with it. No bullets = no human wave. Ukrainian ammo, for its part, must be dramatically increased in terms of bullet numbers. They're going to need plenty of rounds.
2. Russians will try to flood ANY breach in a defense line. Be way more generous with the use of landmines.
3. Improve Ukrainian Logistics so ammo in particular is freely available to KILL as many Russians as possible.
4. Russians will close to point-blank range, even getting within the range of their OWN kill zones and being blasted with their own artillery.
5. Destroy all Russian transport and artillery. Even masses of idiot infantry can only move so far on foot.
6. The Wagner command & control system (i.e using drones to rely instructions) has gotta be taken out whenever possible. Rob the Russians of direction.
7. Bring artillery to bear without mercy on massed Russian formations. Break apart any attempt to bum-rush Ukrainian positions.
8. Issue melee weapons to Ukrainian forces expected to have prolonged close-quarters combat with Russian barbarians. Then running out of ammo becomes less of an issue.
9. Lay down contingency plans for when Ukrainian positions are overrun, outflanked, etc.
Lesson from Soledar: The Russians are so demoralized and absolutely assravaged that even the smallest tactical achievement will be presented as the greatest military outcome of the war.
The conquest of Soledar will be the historic morale booster that wins them RU war. Evidence of UA collapse is coming from every direction.
Will you be so wienery when Ukraine dismantles your logistical system in the area? Even cannon fodder needs AMMO.
I think you are vastly underestimating just how much artillery ammo a nation like russia has.
Russia could likely fire 20,000 shells every day for the next 2 years without making any more and still not get through half their reserves.
Then why don't they?
listen to literally any of the interviews from Ukrainians on the front lines, Russia is absolutely doing that.
proofs moron?
>inb4 incel smegma Z
youtube it you fricking moron, there is dozens of them. Literally every single one of them says that the russian artillery is accurate and unrelenting.
>youtube it
so no proofs steppe Black person. As expected. Reality from captured equipment is that not only is the arty spam severly culled with the castrated supplies but also the heavy equipment proportions are approaching parity with russia being ukraines biggest supplier.
Yeah, I've seen hundreds of videos of Russians complaining that their artillery is completely worthless and the have to destroy everything in 5 mile radius to get their target while Ukrainian artillery is surgically precise.
>russian artillery is accurate
obvious bait is so obvious. Every RU telegram is currently complaining that their artillery is NOT accurate, you homosexual. Go read gray zone or something
>obvious bait is so obvious
Strike the locomotives. Sabotage the depots that hold the ammo itself. Hit the manufacturing plants. Cripple Russia's logistical network, period.
Ammo without logistics doesn't count for shit.
Russia went from firing 20,000 shells to 5,000 shells. Making shells is one thing, delivering it to the front is another. Another thing: russia's ability to manufacture weaponry is not that good either.
Yes Russia just has the 2nd biggest military complex in the world after Usa, its very hard for them to make enough weapons
They're also poorer than fricking Italy, dependent on oil for cash, and corrupt as sin. Sanctions are strangling it.
>than fricking Italy
Frick you, show some respect, we are trying ok?
I do show respect. Italy isn't fricking stupid, trying to piss off a ton of countries at the same time.
Which makes it extremely vulnerable to sabotage efforts.
Russia is also poorer than texas. One state in the united states has an economy that surpassed russia.
I predict Ukraine is going to start attacking Russia's oil industry sooner or later, if they haven't already.
Western gpd is mostly inflated as shit by finance and services which is garbage gdp, New York will be richer than many countries by that metric
Its consumer goods outputs
Russia doesnt make consumer goods to sell on the world market, its making stuff to survive and for self consumption
Russia is a petrostate. It's not much of anything without oil revenue.
Russia has less economic diversity than mexico. Its basically a glorified gas. If you can't have a good economy, what makes you think they can produce anything good domestically?
I dont think Mexico has ability to maintain nuclear weapons, and build advance aircrafts and rockets. You need another example
I would compare Russia to France but to cut all consumer goods and finance
The issue with russia is, its all on paper. We don't know the state of their nuclear force to actually determine whether they are doing an adequate job in maintaining their nuclear arsenal. It cost the U.S. the entire Russian military budget to maintain their nuclear force. While russia spends a fraction on it. Don't forget the corruption and all other shit that is prominent in every post soviet bloc. But what I am saying is that Russia's economy is less healthy than Mexico. Mexico's economy, while lower than Russia's, is more stable due to them diversitying their economy.
Careful there. The last time someone made that comparison /k/s favorite vatnik had a full blown meltdown.
just a reminder that the price for russian oil has fallen to sub $40 per barrel. That's well below the western sanctioned price cap.
> its making stuff to survive and for self consumption
Heh
No, texas has a population of 40 million but yet surpassed russia in total economy. Russia has a population of 160 million but yet still couldn't surpass texas despite the big population. Russia's GDP is big until you realize its inflated due to how large their population is. Their country is poor on average.
Whoops, its 30 million and 144 million. But still.
Ahh the cheap manufacturing cope. Who produces and services those machines? Who owns the rights?
iirc, three separate states were richer than Russia before the war. Probably more now.
Texas right now has a GDP of 2 trillion whille russia is barely over 1.7 trillion. Although now it will drop even more due to the war.
I meant three states on their own had bigger economy. Cali, Texas and New York each individually have more money than Russia
Its not that simple. Sanctions fricked up their ability to produce their shit domestically. Their exports often rely on outsourcing to get the job done. Russia's manufacture ability is low, especially in quality and quantity.
Russia's ability to produce shit domestically is very limited and often relies on foreign parts or manufacturings to produce it. Russia doesn't know how to make many key components that is required to make alot of the stuff in their military.
All key components are either made in Russia or shipped from China, especially electronics. Its been for years already after 2014
Which is why the Russians have been stealing dishwashers and removing the chips, lol.
No, some of the shit that was captured has western components that were made before the sanctions in 2014. Some russian aircrafts upon further analysis after being shot down has some western components in them. Majority of modern russian equipment are produced by utilizing western components or western based facilities. Russia is very limited when it comes to their domestic production. They are not the soviet union, they don't have the capacity to rival western countries. Ukraine was the powerhouse of the Soviet union when it comes to their military and industrial capacity. Before crimea, russia planned on making thousands of t-14, to only make less than a dozen in a few years. Sanctions fricked up the russian MIC big time.
Thanks Obama.
It can be made even worse. Sabotage the production in any way possible. Make the shells more of a danger to the Russians than the Ukrainians.
>russia's ability to manufacture weaponry is not that good either.
This cope gives me secondhand embarrassment
The sanctions pretty much halted the Armata, lol.
https://www.globaldefensecorp.com/2022/09/03/russia-says-it-cant-afford-to-buy-t-14-armata-tanks-amid-crippling-sanctions/
Explain to me how their manufacturing are good? Their manufacturing also relies on western components and expertise too. Ever since the sanctions came in, majority of russian military promises were just promises because sanctions fricked up their ability to produce things. There's also an issue regarding their production quality, which will effect on how it will do on the battlefield.
Part of the problem is conscription. The Russians drafted many of their specialists, lol.
Even before that, majority of their "domestic" production often relies on western input. For example: oil. They can produce oil, but don't know how to refine it. So they hire western based companies and equipments to refine the oil into fuel. Same thing for other domestic production, they rely on western input to make it due to their inability to learn on how to make certain things by themselves.
Okay so why are they using ammo made in late 2022 now?
This was said after every small victory Russia has had. Including the now famous Piss-key. Russians are going to lose 10x land in the coming weeks and everyone will forget about Soledar's existence, same as nobody heard of it a week ago.
And their tactics have degenerated even more.
1. Shoot lots of arty, even if it hits your own men.
2. Bum-rush any opening
3. Crawl over the resulting bodies
It's basically ammo and manpower-intensive. Put obstacles in the path of the Vatniks aplenty, stop their advance with various horrific barriers.
Also, massed Vatniks seem REAL vulnerable to remote-detonated IEDs.
And in the end, the Russians still NEED a frickton of ammo to advance.
on the point , good example are moron like this
>Evidence of UA collapse is coming from every direction.
From where? /chug/ and greyzone?
yeah
What oblast is that red part of Ukraine?
The one they held before February of last year.
Not Kiev, you apparently lied about that. Not the first time.
>the Russians lost more territory then they gained this month.
Delete this please.
Considering how much Wagner and the Russian military HATE each other, how hard would it be to get them to openly fight one another?
Surely bad blood between them can be encouraged further with propaganda.
This but the opposite, frick israelitekraine
Ukrainians don't fight like Russians, Vatnik.
Against overwhelming numbers, only the air force and their big bombs can save you, esp when the enemy airforce is too scared to appear
soledar is the best justification for f-16s evar
Not entirely. Masses of infantry are still mortal men. Put a frickton of landmines between you and them.
On January 23rd the United States Military will install President Trump as the rightful leader of America. Joe Biden will be sent to prison for corruption and embezzling money from Ukraine. There will be mass military tribunals and executions of corrupt, satanic Democrats for their crimes against children and persecution of Christian Americans. This is the storm we've been waiting for. After this, Ukraine won't have a chance.
Buckle up, it's about to get real.
Trust Q Plan
> "it's about to get real"
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/When_Prophecy_Fails
Two points on this battle.
>Portraying this as some epic victory, when at most it's a sign Russia is regaining momentum, is delusional.
>Trying to claim it wasn't a loss, or even somehow a good thing for Ukraine, is also delusional.
It was a good thing for Ukraine. It showed how far Russians were prepared to go to capture something. One will learn much from this defeat.
Russians are desperate for victory. They charged into their own artillery kill zone.
Objectively, losing Soledar (when they actually lose it), is bad for Ukraine. It gets Russia bit closer to Bakhmut (still 10km away tho lol), and more importantly, it gets them a nice storage space that can't be easily HIMARSed: the salt tunnels
>it gets them a nice storage space that can't be easily HIMARSed: the salt tunnels
I don't know how realistic it is but I'd be terrified of getting sealed in there by a precision strike on the entrances. other things like the air vents and water pumps could also be targeted to reduce the amount of usable space inside as well.
Wait a second.
If Wagner's leader himself is at Soledar......
KILL HIM with HIMARS. According to this article, he's in the fricking photo.
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2023/jan/10/head-of-wagner-group-says-his-troops-have-taken-control-of-soledar
Kek, what kinda reddit comment is this
The leader of Wagner group photographed himself in Soledar, which means the Ukrainians now have a rough idea of where he is. He's in the field.
>KILL HIM
Blood thirsty piggy calling for the MURDER of a CIVILIAN.
Wagner's leader is no civilian. He's a war criminal aiding and abetting a genocidal war.
Oh relax. When this war ends in Ukraine's victory, a lot of Russian war criminals will be tried accordingly, lol.
LOL
you're delusional
>Russian war criminals will be tried
>delusional
Sadly, this is probably the correct assessment. Most of the world just wants to turn it off and forget it ever happened. Probably memory-holed by 2030. There will be isolated pockets of people who want to pursue charges & trials, but it will just get delayed for 50 years and then some politicians will make posthumous mouth noises about how "There were bad people on both sides, and also good people on both sides. Elect me and you will get free ponies!" yaddayaddayadda ad infinitum.
>Blood thirsty piggy
He's on a photo in some random salt mine in Russia.
>No bullets = no human wave.
inb4 Putin deploys pikemen
We probably will get to see melee combat in this war in time. Both sides are expending a ton of ammo.
'Tis I and me trusty sling that will topple The West!
probably suicide bombers like Irans human waves at Iraqi trenches in the 1980s
>8. Issue melee weapons to Ukrainian forces expected to have prolonged close-quarters combat with Russian barbarians. Then running out of ammo becomes less of an issue.
they would have bayonets/combat knifes and entrenching tools
its more a case of being trained to use them
10. Hit em with the fougasse
I'm kekking at the Russian shills acting as if Soledar is Stalingrad
gaynerites are out in force today
Let them have their win, it mean they don't bomb a maternity ward out of tard seethe
It's their first hit of copium in months
>Lessons from Soledar?
Literally nothing since it's utterly unimportant tiny town.
wow most people here are delusional arm chair generals. I was hoping for more realistic and balanced convo, but you losers are hyper bias and cant have proper discussions.
>blow their things up
>don't let them blow your things up
>you cannot shoot a gun without ammo
Wow anon, genius military advice, you should be a general or something.
And what are you bringing to the table?
Or just make deal with Putin and go home in one piece.
A deal that no doubt involves accepting the illegal seizure of Ukrainian land, and a deal that Russia would have no intention of honoring?
No.
He will die soon anyway. And Russia is completely fricked with sanctions and will have a shit ton of problems in decades. Those territories will be Ukraine again in exchange for food for starving Russia.
how about the soil that stalin took with force from poland, hungary and romania for ukrain?
How do you disrupt recon-in-force operations in wide open fields, interspersed with commie blocks like this? Russia is evidently willing to just march whole squads of literal cannon fodder in order to identify fortified positions to be shelled. It's also used local artillery superiority, with well trained crews, to provide highly effective counterbattery when the Ukrainians do try to dislodge actual advances into the ruins. I know the answer is "wait for the inevitable armoured push", but it's unlikely that's coming soon and Bakhmut could theoretically fall in as little as a few weeks, if everything goes in Russia's favour, since we've seen Ukraine is willing to cede the town and fall back to fortified lines in short order if it's too costly to maintain.
Apparently the Russians are having ammo supply issues.
https://www.cnn.com/2023/01/10/politics/russian-artillery-fire-down-75-percent-ukraine/index.html
>1. Target rear areas.
Soviet Doctrine
>2. Russians will try to flood ANY breach in a defense line. Be way more generous with the use of landmines.
Soviet Doctrine
>3. Logistics
US WWII doctrine
>4. Danger close artillery.
Soviet Doctrine
>5. Destroy enemy fires
WWI doctrine
>6. Poke out the enemies eyes.
Roman Doctrine
>7. Massed artillery.
Soviet Doctrine
>8. Issue melee weapons to Ukrainian forces expected to have prolonged close-quarters combat with Russian barbarians. Then running out of ammo becomes less of an issue.
WWI Doctrine
>9. Lay down contingency plans to displace and counter attack
Modern maneuver warfare doctrine.
Just brilliant. Do you teach at the War College or something?
>Lessons from Soledar?
Dont be a nazi and if you are one run now and fast to kiev or poland because your days are numbered on this earth.
>Be way more generous with the use of landmines.
Artillery bombardment destroys minefields.
But it still forces the enemy to waste a lot of ammo on them.
The city is still contested.
1. tons of guns
2. just shoot the himars at the dumpz, it's so easy
3. THEY WILL TRY TO ZERG RUSH LIKE AT STALINGRAD
4. everybody needs a.... Bayonet. dats rite.
5. WHY DIDNT THE COMMANDER JUST FLANK WHEN THE RUZZIAN TRIED THE HUMAN WAVE???
woah, just like in Wargame red dragon! Fellas we frickin won this already
Lesson 15, don't lose to convicts
>lose
>this is what a russian "victory" looks like
and here I was thinking you'd be at berlin by now, it's literally walking distance from the pre-invasion border
I still can't believe we lost soledar bros.... we got too wienery....
I'm literally still shaking
>Lessons from Soledar
We don't even fully know what and how it happened yet. How did they break through? What did the defensive positions look like? How big was the assault etc
You don't know any of that. You're squirting out your load of autism over your own fanfiction
I'm sure with your precious advices and 50 Bradley + 10 Challengers and some french "light tanks" Zelensky will finally win.
>Lessons from Soledar?
Anything can be made into a propaganda victory.
Even if you haven't taken the town yet.
Russia is out of bullets, and missiles too. They lost 10k tanks and resort to human wave tactics with 1 gun for every 3 people. Ukraine, if anything, is taking it easy on the Russians in order to not hurt their feelings. Russians are eating bark. Have you seen Russian rations? They ran out months ago.