Lessons from Soledar?

1. Target Russian AMMO. Manufacturing, storage, etc. Ramp up sabotage and targeting. Even expendable cannon fodder like Wagner convicts need something called bullets. By the same token, Russian artillery only works when it has ammo to go with it. No bullets = no human wave. Ukrainian ammo, for its part, must be dramatically increased in terms of bullet numbers. They're going to need plenty of rounds.

2. Russians will try to flood ANY breach in a defense line. Be way more generous with the use of landmines.

3. Improve Ukrainian Logistics so ammo in particular is freely available to KILL as many Russians as possible.

4. Russians will close to point-blank range, even getting within the range of their OWN kill zones and being blasted with their own artillery.

5. Destroy all Russian transport and artillery. Even masses of idiot infantry can only move so far on foot.

6. The Wagner command & control system (i.e using drones to rely instructions) has gotta be taken out whenever possible. Rob the Russians of direction.

7. Bring artillery to bear without mercy on massed Russian formations. Break apart any attempt to bum-rush Ukrainian positions.

8. Issue melee weapons to Ukrainian forces expected to have prolonged close-quarters combat with Russian barbarians. Then running out of ammo becomes less of an issue.

9. Lay down contingency plans for when Ukrainian positions are overrun, outflanked, etc.

  1. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Lesson from Soledar: The Russians are so demoralized and absolutely assravaged that even the smallest tactical achievement will be presented as the greatest military outcome of the war.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      The conquest of Soledar will be the historic morale booster that wins them RU war. Evidence of UA collapse is coming from every direction.

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Will you be so cocky when Ukraine dismantles your logistical system in the area? Even cannon fodder needs AMMO.

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          I think you are vastly underestimating just how much artillery ammo a nation like russia has.
          Russia could likely fire 20,000 shells every day for the next 2 years without making any more and still not get through half their reserves.

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Then why don't they?

            • 4 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              listen to literally any of the interviews from Ukrainians on the front lines, Russia is absolutely doing that.

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                proofs retard?
                >inb4 incel smegma Z

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                youtube it you fucking retard, there is dozens of them. Literally every single one of them says that the russian artillery is accurate and unrelenting.

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >youtube it
                so no proofs steppe moron. As expected. Reality from captured equipment is that not only is the arty spam severly culled with the castrated supplies but also the heavy equipment proportions are approaching parity with russia being ukraines biggest supplier.

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Yeah, I've seen hundreds of videos of Russians complaining that their artillery is completely worthless and the have to destroy everything in 5 mile radius to get their target while Ukrainian artillery is surgically precise.

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >russian artillery is accurate
                obvious bait is so obvious. Every RU telegram is currently complaining that their artillery is NOT accurate, you gay. Go read gray zone or something

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >obvious bait is so obvious

                [...]

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Strike the locomotives. Sabotage the depots that hold the ammo itself. Hit the manufacturing plants. Cripple Russia's logistical network, period.

            Ammo without logistics doesn't count for shit.

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Russia went from firing 20,000 shells to 5,000 shells. Making shells is one thing, delivering it to the front is another. Another thing: russia's ability to manufacture weaponry is not that good either.

            • 4 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              Yes Russia just has the 2nd biggest military complex in the world after Usa, its very hard for them to make enough weapons

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                They're also poorer than fucking Italy, dependent on oil for cash, and corrupt as sin. Sanctions are strangling it.

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >than fucking Italy
                Fuck you, show some respect, we are trying ok?

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                I do show respect. Italy isn't fucking stupid, trying to piss off a ton of countries at the same time.

                Its not that simple. Sanctions fucked up their ability to produce their shit domestically. Their exports often rely on outsourcing to get the job done. Russia's manufacture ability is low, especially in quality and quantity.

                Russia's ability to produce shit domestically is very limited and often relies on foreign parts or manufacturings to produce it. Russia doesn't know how to make many key components that is required to make alot of the stuff in their military.

                Which makes it extremely vulnerable to sabotage efforts.

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Russia is also poorer than texas. One state in the united states has an economy that surpassed russia.

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                I predict Ukraine is going to start attacking Russia's oil industry sooner or later, if they haven't already.

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Western gpd is mostly inflated as shit by finance and services which is garbage gdp, New York will be richer than many countries by that metric

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous
              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                https://i.imgur.com/x2TKa9I.jpg

                No, texas has a population of 40 million but yet surpassed russia in total economy. Russia has a population of 160 million but yet still couldn't surpass texas despite the big population. Russia's GDP is big until you realize its inflated due to how large their population is. Their country is poor on average.

                Its consumer goods outputs

                Russia doesnt make consumer goods to sell on the world market, its making stuff to survive and for self consumption

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Russia is a petrostate. It's not much of anything without oil revenue.

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Russia has less economic diversity than mexico. Its basically a glorified gas. If you can't have a good economy, what makes you think they can produce anything good domestically?

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                I dont think Mexico has ability to maintain nuclear weapons, and build advance aircrafts and rockets. You need another example

                I would compare Russia to France but to cut all consumer goods and finance

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                The issue with russia is, its all on paper. We don't know the state of their nuclear force to actually determine whether they are doing an adequate job in maintaining their nuclear arsenal. It cost the U.S. the entire Russian military budget to maintain their nuclear force. While russia spends a fraction on it. Don't forget the corruption and all other shit that is prominent in every post soviet bloc. But what I am saying is that Russia's economy is less healthy than Mexico. Mexico's economy, while lower than Russia's, is more stable due to them diversitying their economy.

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Careful there. The last time someone made that comparison PrepHoles favorite vatnik had a full blown meltdown.

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Russia is a petrostate. It's not much of anything without oil revenue.

                just a reminder that the price for russian oil has fallen to sub $40 per barrel. That's well below the western sanctioned price cap.

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                > its making stuff to survive and for self consumption
                Heh

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                No, texas has a population of 40 million but yet surpassed russia in total economy. Russia has a population of 160 million but yet still couldn't surpass texas despite the big population. Russia's GDP is big until you realize its inflated due to how large their population is. Their country is poor on average.

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Whoops, its 30 million and 144 million. But still.

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Ahh the cheap manufacturing cope. Who produces and services those machines? Who owns the rights?

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                iirc, three separate states were richer than Russia before the war. Probably more now.

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Texas right now has a GDP of 2 trillion whille russia is barely over 1.7 trillion. Although now it will drop even more due to the war.

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                I meant three states on their own had bigger economy. Cali, Texas and New York each individually have more money than Russia

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Its not that simple. Sanctions fucked up their ability to produce their shit domestically. Their exports often rely on outsourcing to get the job done. Russia's manufacture ability is low, especially in quality and quantity.

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Russia's ability to produce shit domestically is very limited and often relies on foreign parts or manufacturings to produce it. Russia doesn't know how to make many key components that is required to make alot of the stuff in their military.

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Its not that simple. Sanctions fucked up their ability to produce their shit domestically. Their exports often rely on outsourcing to get the job done. Russia's manufacture ability is low, especially in quality and quantity.

                All key components are either made in Russia or shipped from China, especially electronics. Its been for years already after 2014

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Which is why the Russians have been stealing dishwashers and removing the chips, lol.

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                No, some of the shit that was captured has western components that were made before the sanctions in 2014. Some russian aircrafts upon further analysis after being shot down has some western components in them. Majority of modern russian equipment are produced by utilizing western components or western based facilities. Russia is very limited when it comes to their domestic production. They are not the soviet union, they don't have the capacity to rival western countries. Ukraine was the powerhouse of the Soviet union when it comes to their military and industrial capacity. Before crimea, russia planned on making thousands of t-14, to only make less than a dozen in a few years. Sanctions fucked up the russian MIC big time.

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Thanks Obama.

            • 4 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              It can be made even worse. Sabotage the production in any way possible. Make the shells more of a danger to the Russians than the Ukrainians.

            • 4 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              >russia's ability to manufacture weaponry is not that good either.
              This cope gives me secondhand embarrassment

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                The sanctions pretty much halted the Armata, lol.

                https://www.globaldefensecorp.com/2022/09/03/russia-says-it-cant-afford-to-buy-t-14-armata-tanks-amid-crippling-sanctions/

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Explain to me how their manufacturing are good? Their manufacturing also relies on western components and expertise too. Ever since the sanctions came in, majority of russian military promises were just promises because sanctions fucked up their ability to produce things. There's also an issue regarding their production quality, which will effect on how it will do on the battlefield.

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Part of the problem is conscription. The Russians drafted many of their specialists, lol.

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Even before that, majority of their "domestic" production often relies on western input. For example: oil. They can produce oil, but don't know how to refine it. So they hire western based companies and equipments to refine the oil into fuel. Same thing for other domestic production, they rely on western input to make it due to their inability to learn on how to make certain things by themselves.

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Okay so why are they using ammo made in late 2022 now?

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        This was said after every small victory Russia has had. Including the now famous Piss-key. Russians are going to lose 10x land in the coming weeks and everyone will forget about Soledar's existence, same as nobody heard of it a week ago.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      And their tactics have degenerated even more.

      1. Shoot lots of arty, even if it hits your own men.
      2. Bum-rush any opening
      3. Crawl over the resulting bodies

      It's basically ammo and manpower-intensive. Put obstacles in the path of the Vatniks aplenty, stop their advance with various horrific barriers.

      Also, massed Vatniks seem REAL vulnerable to remote-detonated IEDs.

      And in the end, the Russians still NEED a fuckton of ammo to advance.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      on the point , good example are retard like this

      The conquest of Soledar will be the historic morale booster that wins them RU war. Evidence of UA collapse is coming from every direction.

      >Evidence of UA collapse is coming from every direction.
      From where? /chug/ and greyzone?

  2. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    yeah

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      What oblast is that red part of Ukraine?

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        The one they held before February of last year.

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Not Kiev, you apparently lied about that. Not the first time.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >the Russians lost more territory then they gained this month.
      Delete this please.

  3. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Considering how much Wagner and the Russian military HATE each other, how hard would it be to get them to openly fight one another?

    Surely bad blood between them can be encouraged further with propaganda.

  4. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    This but the opposite, fuck garden gnomekraine

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Ukrainians don't fight like Russians, Vatnik.

  5. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Against overwhelming numbers, only the air force and their big bombs can save you, esp when the enemy airforce is too scared to appear

    soledar is the best justification for f-16s evar

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Not entirely. Masses of infantry are still mortal men. Put a fuckton of landmines between you and them.

  6. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    On January 23rd the United States Military will install President Trump as the rightful leader of America. Joe Biden will be sent to prison for corruption and embezzling money from Ukraine. There will be mass military tribunals and executions of corrupt, satanic Democrats for their crimes against children and persecution of Christian Americans. This is the storm we've been waiting for. After this, Ukraine won't have a chance.

    Buckle up, it's about to get real.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Trust Q Plan

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      > "it's about to get real"

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/When_Prophecy_Fails

  7. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Two points on this battle.

    >Portraying this as some epic victory, when at most it's a sign Russia is regaining momentum, is delusional.

    >Trying to claim it wasn't a loss, or even somehow a good thing for Ukraine, is also delusional.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      It was a good thing for Ukraine. It showed how far Russians were prepared to go to capture something. One will learn much from this defeat.

      Russians are desperate for victory. They charged into their own artillery kill zone.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      It was a good thing for Ukraine. It showed how far Russians were prepared to go to capture something. One will learn much from this defeat.

      Russians are desperate for victory. They charged into their own artillery kill zone.

      Objectively, losing Soledar (when they actually lose it), is bad for Ukraine. It gets Russia bit closer to Bakhmut (still 10km away tho lol), and more importantly, it gets them a nice storage space that can't be easily HIMARSed: the salt tunnels

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >it gets them a nice storage space that can't be easily HIMARSed: the salt tunnels
        I don't know how realistic it is but I'd be terrified of getting sealed in there by a precision strike on the entrances. other things like the air vents and water pumps could also be targeted to reduce the amount of usable space inside as well.

  8. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Wait a second.

    If Wagner's leader himself is at Soledar......

    KILL HIM with HIMARS. According to this article, he's in the fucking photo.

    https://www.theguardian.com/world/2023/jan/10/head-of-wagner-group-says-his-troops-have-taken-control-of-soledar

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Kek, what kinda reddit comment is this

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        The leader of Wagner group photographed himself in Soledar, which means the Ukrainians now have a rough idea of where he is. He's in the field.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >KILL HIM
      Blood thirsty piggy calling for the MURDER of a CIVILIAN.

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Wagner's leader is no civilian. He's a war criminal aiding and abetting a genocidal war.

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Oh relax. When this war ends in Ukraine's victory, a lot of Russian war criminals will be tried accordingly, lol.

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          LOL
          you're delusional

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >Russian war criminals will be tried

          LOL
          you're delusional

          >delusional
          Sadly, this is probably the correct assessment. Most of the world just wants to turn it off and forget it ever happened. Probably memory-holed by 2030. There will be isolated pockets of people who want to pursue charges & trials, but it will just get delayed for 50 years and then some politicians will make posthumous mouth noises about how "There were bad people on both sides, and also good people on both sides. Elect me and you will get free ponies!" yaddayaddayadda ad infinitum.

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >Blood thirsty piggy

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      He's on a photo in some random salt mine in Russia.

  9. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >No bullets = no human wave.
    inb4 Putin deploys pikemen

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      We probably will get to see melee combat in this war in time. Both sides are expending a ton of ammo.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      'Tis I and me trusty sling that will topple The West!

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      probably suicide bombers like Irans human waves at Iraqi trenches in the 1980s

  10. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >8. Issue melee weapons to Ukrainian forces expected to have prolonged close-quarters combat with Russian barbarians. Then running out of ammo becomes less of an issue.
    they would have bayonets/combat knifes and entrenching tools
    its more a case of being trained to use them

  11. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    10. Hit em with the fougasse

  12. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    I'm kekking at the Russian shills acting as if Soledar is Stalingrad

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      fagnerites are out in force today

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Let them have their win, it mean they don't bomb a maternity ward out of tard seethe

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      It's their first hit of copium in months

  13. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >Lessons from Soledar?

    Literally nothing since it's utterly unimportant tiny town.

  14. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    wow most people here are delusional arm chair generals. I was hoping for more realistic and balanced convo, but you losers are hyper bias and cant have proper discussions.

  15. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >blow their things up
    >don't let them blow your things up
    >you cannot shoot a gun without ammo
    Wow anon, genius military advice, you should be a general or something.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      And what are you bringing to the table?

  16. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Or just make deal with Putin and go home in one piece.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      A deal that no doubt involves accepting the illegal seizure of Ukrainian land, and a deal that Russia would have no intention of honoring?

      No.

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        He will die soon anyway. And Russia is completely fucked with sanctions and will have a shit ton of problems in decades. Those territories will be Ukraine again in exchange for food for starving Russia.

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        how about the soil that stalin took with force from poland, hungary and romania for ukrain?

  17. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    How do you disrupt recon-in-force operations in wide open fields, interspersed with commie blocks like this? Russia is evidently willing to just march whole squads of literal cannon fodder in order to identify fortified positions to be shelled. It's also used local artillery superiority, with well trained crews, to provide highly effective counterbattery when the Ukrainians do try to dislodge actual advances into the ruins. I know the answer is "wait for the inevitable armoured push", but it's unlikely that's coming soon and Bakhmut could theoretically fall in as little as a few weeks, if everything goes in Russia's favour, since we've seen Ukraine is willing to cede the town and fall back to fortified lines in short order if it's too costly to maintain.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Apparently the Russians are having ammo supply issues.

      https://www.cnn.com/2023/01/10/politics/russian-artillery-fire-down-75-percent-ukraine/index.html

  18. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >1. Target rear areas.
    Soviet Doctrine

    >2. Russians will try to flood ANY breach in a defense line. Be way more generous with the use of landmines.
    Soviet Doctrine

    >3. Logistics
    US WWII doctrine

    >4. Danger close artillery.
    Soviet Doctrine

    >5. Destroy enemy fires
    WWI doctrine

    >6. Poke out the enemies eyes.
    Roman Doctrine

    >7. Massed artillery.
    Soviet Doctrine

    >8. Issue melee weapons to Ukrainian forces expected to have prolonged close-quarters combat with Russian barbarians. Then running out of ammo becomes less of an issue.
    WWI Doctrine

    >9. Lay down contingency plans to displace and counter attack
    Modern maneuver warfare doctrine.

    Just brilliant. Do you teach at the War College or something?

  19. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >Lessons from Soledar?
    Dont be a nazi and if you are one run now and fast to kiev or poland because your days are numbered on this earth.

  20. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >Be way more generous with the use of landmines.

    Artillery bombardment destroys minefields.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      But it still forces the enemy to waste a lot of ammo on them.

      https://i.imgur.com/C2Hovly.jpg

      Lesson 15, don't lose to convicts

      The city is still contested.

  21. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    1. tons of guns
    2. just shoot the himars at the dumpz, it's so easy
    3. THEY WILL TRY TO ZERG RUSH LIKE AT STALINGRAD
    4. everybody needs a.... Bayonet. dats rite.
    5. WHY DIDNT THE COMMANDER JUST FLANK WHEN THE RUZZIAN TRIED THE HUMAN WAVE???

    woah, just like in Wargame red dragon! Fellas we fuckin won this already

  22. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Lesson 15, don't lose to convicts

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >lose
      >this is what a russian "victory" looks like
      and here I was thinking you'd be at berlin by now, it's literally walking distance from the pre-invasion border

  23. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    I still can't believe we lost soledar bros.... we got too cocky....

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      I'm literally still shaking

  24. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >Lessons from Soledar
    We don't even fully know what and how it happened yet. How did they break through? What did the defensive positions look like? How big was the assault etc
    You don't know any of that. You're squirting out your load of autism over your own fanfiction

  25. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    I'm sure with your precious advices and 50 Bradley + 10 Challengers and some french "light tanks" Zelensky will finally win.

  26. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >Lessons from Soledar?

    Anything can be made into a propaganda victory.
    Even if you haven't taken the town yet.

  27. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Russia is out of bullets, and missiles too. They lost 10k tanks and resort to human wave tactics with 1 gun for every 3 people. Ukraine, if anything, is taking it easy on the Russians in order to not hurt their feelings. Russians are eating bark. Have you seen Russian rations? They ran out months ago.

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