Haha stupid HATO tranies you will never grasp genius of Russian bear. We wanted to lose territory we just annexed and thousands Russians died conquering it.
Kherson is a long sock for the ruski hamster to sit in while Ukraine bangs him against the walls like a flail. The accuracy advantage in artillery plus ruskies having to cross a wide body of water with supplies and back again if retreating makes this whole thing a suicide. Huge number of Russians will get captured in the end, when they have another round of panicking and fleeing.
>ukraine practices defense in depth >AHAHA UKROPS LOOSING LAND HARD AHAHA COPE HOHOLS POCCNR IS WINNING >russia practices defense in depth >STUPID KHOKHOL UKRONAZI STRATEGICALLY LOOSING LAND IS SMART YOU'RE GOING INTO THE MEATGRINDER >verification not required
Defense in depth requires you to have some form of actual depth. Being pushed between a riverbank, enemy forces and the borders of the city your suppose to hold isn't depth
Both Ukrainians and Russians work on the Soviet tactic of a staggered retreat.
So some territory changing hands isn't even worth mentioning, unless of course it is such an uter catastrophe as in Kharkiv.
basically this
Don't fall for shills no side is clearly winning right now and this war could last years. In a month or two momentum will shift again and it will be Russias turn to take some worthless villages and only then can we make an estimate of who's attacks have a bigger impact
Kherson is seemingly being resupplied via boats. If they didn't have supplies they would have fallen already. I'm not saying it isn't a logistical challenge but Kherson is a port city and those tend to have a lot of logistical infrastructure that in this case can benefit Russia.
2 years ago
Anonymous
What happens when boats are in range of regular artillery?
2 years ago
Anonymous
Well, given that boats are easily visible from radar, must be refilled from known mooring points and have to be stationary for a considerable amount of time to fill up their hold.....
You do the maths
2 years ago
Anonymous
I don't know anon. I do know that Russians aren't getting their supplies through magic though so they might use several smaller boats or tugs. I'm sure if I you where a russian logistics officer you could come up with a few ideas yourself friend.
>clearly no side is winning right now
When you invade with near-total strategic and tactical surprise, lose half your tanks and elite units, get pushed back to a riverbank and encircled in an unescapable town, you are losing.
Short of something magical like every single Russian instantly being killed by precision munitions the minute they crossed the border I honestly can't see how they could more clearly be losing.
>Russian instantly being killed by precision munitions the minute they crossed the border
No, they are instead dying in russian barracks across the border from diseases like dysentery, cholera, and TB.
This is the true power of the russian. They can kill their conscripts en masse without them even needing to step foot on enemy lands.
2 years ago
Anonymous
>All this shit and we still have Russian winter + whatever Magic Ukraine pulls off before the frost sets in to go
Oh my god they're actually going to boogaloo aren't they...
You should fortify your positions, really dig in there so they couldn't move you from your trenches if they wanted to. There's no way they can pinpoint artillery and drones right on top of you.
They literally can and have been. Maybe Russians and Russian gear can't. Ukies with NATO gear literally can and have been this whole time and it's huge part of why there's such disproportionate ground being gained by such a small force.
That was kind of my joke. Though I suppose if they have buildings to hide in it might be a touch harder I suppose. But I think Russia already shelled out most of them.
They don't need to. Kherson has an abysmal strategic position in the current point of the war because at the current angle of approach, it would be insane to push into Kherson.
Instead, a far smarter option would be to fix it and then ignore it. And then just capture everything east of the Dnipro and wait for the Russian garrison to inevitably wave the white flag and purchase their freedom with a shitton of viable heavy equipment. Ukraine would be committing a massive strategic blunder if they'd spent their momentum on block-to-block fighting in Kherson.
Also, as far as infantry losses go, Ukraine can soak that shit up at the current rate of attrition for a year to come. Its about 5.5 million men away from total sustainable mobilization and actually has a waiting list of volunteers. I think that as far as attrition goes, they'll be fine as long as morale holds.
Given how hilariously inflated Russian estimates have been in the past, we can ignore those. Ukraine has given a somewhat realistic number while they were still in the defensive phase of being about 47k losses out of which 10k being KIA's in June. This roughly maps with the ratio that you'd expect defenders to lose manpower.
Is Ukraine losing more manpower on aggregate at this point in the war? Yes, by a considerable margin. It is basically a fricking given when conducting offensive operations. Is it anywhere near unsustainable levels? No. Its not even close. There are many things that could become an issue to Ukraine down the line. Manpower ain't on the list.
2 years ago
Anonymous
I remember how fricking salty they were at one point they unironically added +1000 to their UAVs shot down list, and posted a propaganda vid of having shot down 1000 Bayraktars
2 years ago
Anonymous
>ukraine makes up shit >ONG SO TRUE BASED UKIES >Russia makes up shit >UMM PROOFS? I AM SUDDENLY A RATIONAL SCEPTIC
Also, you admit hohols lost more manpower, checkmate
2 years ago
Anonymous
Stop dodging mogilization, vanya.
2 years ago
Anonymous
when they hang all you puccian shills by your guts, then there will be peace in the world. I hope every government does what the balt states did to Puccian fifth columnists. If it were ever possible to torment someone's soul without allowing it to pass to the afterlife, puccians and their shills should be subject to it for a thousand years before being sent off
2 years ago
Anonymous
R*ssians lie as they breathe though
2 years ago
Anonymous
....Yes, they are in fact losing more manpower rushing down trenches than they are sitting in their own waiting for the inevitable daily line of morons making a half-hearted effort at capturing them to avoid getting charged for insubordination.
Unless you take your enemy by surprise or your name is America, you'll always lose more in offensive operations than you do in defensive operations.
Furthermore, Ukraine's report closely match that of western intelligence communities and common heuristics for the type of war they are in. For example, it matches the 1:3 wounded ratio you'd normally expect while Russia is somehow claiming that Ukraine has a baffling 2:1 ratio of deaths to wounded.
But yeah, Ukraine will see more losses. And these losses would have to be multiplied by around 3x to meaningfully dampen morale and about 10x to seriously harm their long term prospects. A gentle reminder that Ukraine has the same mobilization potential as France in 1914 and aren't anywhere in the same realm of existance as WW1 attrition losses. I would say the same for Russia but decades of stock mismanagement and literally sending their trainers to the front in hope of a magical breakthrough kinda fricked their mobilization prospects for at least a year
>to the last Ukrainian >loses 61,000 vatBlack folk, countless donbabweans, and thousands of wagner cucks and akhmats
if you want to lose what's left of your professionals too, don't let us stop you
2 years ago
Anonymous
How many dead hohols?
2 years ago
Anonymous
defensive war, even if they had 3x of the casualities as the russians, they are still figting for survival. For some fricked up reason so does the russians, weird how this land grab is working.
>Hohols are losing so many men....
Yet I don't see you enumerating how many men the Puccians are losing. Even if its 1:1, you're still going to end up depleted and non-combat ready.
Also, "Hohol" is a racial slur. The kind of language a Nazi would use. I suspect it is time to "Denazify" Kherson. (Or at least perform some smacktard fumigation.)
even if Kherson was taken right this instant, it soaked up AT LEAST 55k dead Oinkranians. Russia withdrew orderly like in Kharkiv and sent the piggies into pre-prepared killzones.
But sure, tell me how the 22nd Kherson counteroffensive will be different this time 🙂
Wonder if that is actually what Xi is thinking. They could probably have helped Russia at some point with some supplies, but it doesn't sound like any have been found have they? Any chinese mre's or anything?
nothing obviously chinese was found so far to my knowledge. I think they dug up some nork artillery shells sometime during the Kharkiv thunder run.
2 years ago
Anonymous
Wonder if that is actually what Xi is thinking. They could probably have helped Russia at some point with some supplies, but it doesn't sound like any have been found have they? Any chinese mre's or anything?
It benefits China for Russia to lose. They can buy up all the industries and resources in Russia at bargain basement prices.
>They could probably have helped Russia at some point with some supplies
lol no, why would they? The West would sanction their ass all around and their economy is based on export. Chinks are not going to do shit for ruskies because theres not advantage. They want weak russia to buy cheap natural resources
>chinese MREs
cue SteveMRE poisoning himself twice
>Wonder if that is actually what Xi is thinking.
He gibs equipment, it'll get misused, captured or even sold to western powers, causing a gigantic embarassment after actual decades of chest thumping and posturing that tiger most powerful rawr. Mind you, all power CCP has comes from the impression of power and said chest thumping and between 0 Covid policies, economic shitshows (mostly coming from said policies), financial shitshows, housing shitshows, floods, droughts, other ecological shotshows hitting the largest cities, corruption that makes Russia seem pure and a demographic crisis, changs are at their limits even by their bugmen standards
or Xi could refuse, entrench further, maintain status quo and scoop up some resources at the upcoming blowout sale.
2 years ago
Anonymous
The important thing about geopolitics to remember whenever shit hits the fan:
Russia has no allies. They have hostages, they will run the second the door is open and Russia is distracted.
China has no allies. They have a web of marriages of convenience where in they will frick over the other party at the earliest convenient point. Its why nowadays an agreement with China isn't worth more than the paper its written on, or why they decimated the credibility of BRI on account of them constantly fleecing the partners they were trying to make with it.
You can see this quite clearly because China isn't doing what is best for their alliance. They are doing what is best for China. Which at this point is strategic ambiguity and in a few months time will be buying up Russian bankruptcies under the pretense of economic support.
Well I guess they have their own stuff to deal with in terms of economy and internal strife. Also no need to get involved in that fricking mess for, I dno what, benefit. That is not to say they havent done anything, but your supposedly strong manly ”ally” slipping on a banana peel and revealing himself as a useless shit doesnt lend the shifty chinks to rushing to their aid, not while you can make more lucrative deals with them due to their predicament.
>please ignore the historical huge amount of internal conflict that took place behind the curtain.
2 years ago
Anonymous
And the two invasions they have had.
2 years ago
Anonymous
Internal conflict doesn't count.
>initiated 0 conflicts
Didn't China invade Vietnam after we got done there?
No. Just ask Vietnam, there was no war.
2 years ago
Anonymous
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sino-Vietnamese_War
This seems like a war.
2 years ago
Anonymous
>initiated 0 conflicts
Didn't China invade Vietnam after we got done there?
2 years ago
Anonymous
Failed too as I recall.
Did they help North Korea with their war? Or at least now they are the only ones keeping the regime from collapsing.
2 years ago
Anonymous
They sent a force of 800,000 men to North Korea in the 50's and engaged in direct combat with UN forces. They called it a volunteer force so as to distant it from the official Chinese army, on paper at least.
The CCP clearly didn't give a flying frick about the prospect of getting nuked by the USA in response (which they totally could have done). This is in stark contrast to the situation in Europe today where everyone is seemingly treading on eggshells around Putin because of 'muh nooks'.
2 years ago
Anonymous
It would've done if Truman wasn't such a pussy and told McArthur to take his schizo meds
2 years ago
Anonymous
Yep, tried to steal a bunch of land and re-install pol-pot/the khmer rouge. They managed to shift the border a few miles but otherwise lost. Same thing happened when they invaded india in the 60s.
2 years ago
Anonymous
That’s...not even remotely correct, I mean yeah it is for America mostly but Jesus they don’t even try for China.
2 years ago
Anonymous
Do they not see that such posts make them look weak?
2 years ago
Anonymous
They don’t, everything is about looking good, even if it’s just skin deep.
2 years ago
Anonymous
The People's Republic of China has initiated zero wars*
*The First Taiwanese Straits Crisis, the Sino-Vietnamese War of 1979, the Sino-Soviet Border Wars, the Sino-Indian War of 1962, the Sino-Indian War of 1967, the 1950 Invasion of Tibet, the Chinese Intervention in the Korean War, the Second Taiwanese Straits Crisis, the Sino-Vietnamese Border Skirmishes (1979-1991), the Sino-Indian Border Skirmishes of 2020-2021, the Xinjiang Conflict, and the Battle of the Paracel Islands not included
2 years ago
Anonymous
Their handwave for all of those is that those territories are all China rook at map Zheng He took shit here many century before so is now China forever.
2 years ago
Anonymous
the war on sparrows, the war on students, the war on truth, the war on uyghurs, the war on common sense
2 years ago
Anonymous
Vietnam, Tibet, Sino-Soviet conflicts on top of my head.
2 years ago
Anonymous
Black person, the Sino-Vietnamese war was 43 years ago and it ended in ~90
2 years ago
Anonymous
>not even a proxy war
The frick was the korean war then? And the conflict with vietnam? The border skirmish with the USSR? The occupation of tibet?
2 years ago
Anonymous
>China >Initiated >USA >Waged
Yeah, nice wording, c**t
2 years ago
Anonymous
I fricking hate seeing these chicom propagandists all over the internet. I can't wait for the embarrassment they will suffer when they get BTFO during an attempted invasion of Taiwan.
2 years ago
Anonymous
Noguns here, what am I looking at? Bulets tumbling mid flight, with implied shit accuracy?
2 years ago
Anonymous
>Bulets tumbling mid flight, with implied shit accuracy? >Bullets Tumbling in mid flight, which means actual shit accuracy, all at a short range where the bullets should not under any circumstance be "key-holing" like that.
2 years ago
Anonymous
Noguns here, what am I looking at? Bulets tumbling mid flight, with implied shit accuracy?
It's normally posted to show how shit Chinese rifles are, but I'm going to play devil's advocate for a minute.
Historically it wasn't uncommon for countries to use wooden bullets to tip their blanks. This allows for standard case production to be used for training rounds, and usually eliminates the need for a blank-fire muzzle adapter in actions that would otherwise require one. China does like doing things cheap, after all. The downside to this tyope of blank is a nominal decrease in safety, as you are now firing a light-weight easily frangible projectile with every blank. Again, china. We've seen enough liveleak footage to gauge their opinions on safety margins.
If china does use this kind of blank for live-fire exercises the result would look a lot like the video. The fake bullets are too lightweight to stabilize in standard rifling, and will start to tumble as soon as they leave the muzzle. All targets are also within a close enough distance to the shooter that keyholing projectiles are still likely to hit them.
2 years ago
Anonymous
What the frick are you on about. Blank firing adapters are used in war gaming, not marksmanship. Why the frick would anyone train marksmanship with blanks LMAO. The rounds are tumbling because China once again copied a Western concept, but didn't read the book so he copied the mistakes made by our old homework. In about 4 years they'll release a new ammo variant fixing their stabilization issues
2 years ago
Anonymous
>Why the frick would anyone train marksmanship with blanks LMAO
You answered your own question. >because China once again copied a Western concept, but didn't read the book so he copied the mistakes made by our old homework.
I'm just posting a supposition, but it fits.
2 years ago
Anonymous
and at 71 years the Chinks kill 40 million of their own people
China doesn’t want a strong Russia. They want a compliant client state that they can use for resource extraction. Letting the Russians beat their head against Ukraine and come crawling to China for economic relief is in their best interest.
The only thing China cares about is avoiding the same sanctions as Russia, they aren't going to burn down their export based economy for Putin's USSR nostalgia trip.
China has even stopped blaming NATO/US for Russia's invasion. The UN confirmed yesterday that they took out all the wording implicating them. They still haven't blamed it on Putin, but still. They also have said that Putin using a nuke is unacceptable.
Honestly at this point china probably benefits more from a weak russia than a strong one
They get a vassal state, they can encroach upon the ex-soviet sphere of influence, and since they "technically" didnt pick a side, their relationships with Europe are more or less the same
2 years ago
Anonymous
You haven't even begun to touch on the benefits to China from Russia shitting the bed this hard.
All those African regimes both have been courting for resources are now going to go with China because Russia have been cucked and humiliated on a global stage.
Then there's the fact that nobody is ever going to want to buy their shitbox Ork-tier military garbage again.
China is laughing all the way to the fricking Bank, then back again.
frickin steve had worse experiences with them than rations that were made in WW2 lmao
2 years ago
Anonymous
Damage to the base is said to be heavy and the Israeli Jets are reported to have made it back to their headquarters
2 years ago
Anonymous
Anon Steve ate MREs from WW1 that were better and didn't prompt vomiting.
Wonder if that is actually what Xi is thinking. They could probably have helped Russia at some point with some supplies, but it doesn't sound like any have been found have they? Any chinese mre's or anything?
Allegedly the Chinese thought the US was just trying to stir shit when we told them the Russians were planning to invade, because Russia basically told them it was just posturing. China seems to have felt slighted by the Russian invasion for making them look like assclowns, and the Chinese do not take losing face very well. So China seems quite content to let Russia drown in a pool of its own piss to make this point: China is no longer the "junior" partner to the USSR. It never liked that feeling in their relationship to begin with. China is now the superior in the relationship, and if 50,000 Russians need to die in Putin's vanity project to make this point, so be it. China no longer views Russia as anything more than a gas station and open strip mine.
chink banter has been so good so far in the war lmao
2 years ago
Anonymous
Their banter is top tier when they aren't butthurt about being chinkoids
2 years ago
Anonymous
The lesson is we need to constantly have one country JUSTing itself for everyone to laugh at together, then we're perfectly capable of coexisting with the Chinks in peace.
It took less than a month for the Ukis to capture an iranian drone almost intact, the chinese would have to be extremely dumb to give the russians anything more complex than a pair of scissors, since it would be in ramstein by the end of the week
I have no idea why chinks call russians geese? Just because they are white, loud, aggressive, and shit everywhere ? Are pajeets called ducks (brown,stupid and still shit everwhere)?
it's chink wordplay. I think it's to do with both how a goose is called in their language along with a similar character in how they spell russia in chinkrunes.
I have an instinctual love for wordplay that stems from Chink/Jap runes looking kinda similar even though none of it makes a lick of sense to me until it's explained.
Unfortunately it is true. You guys made dozens of the Kherson collapse threads but it turns out ukros barely captured anything and what they did capture was in the northeast with no strategic significance.
The Blowbang video really made /misc/ mad, huh? They've come here to shill in greater numbers. That or there's some other hilarious disaster we're about to learn about.
Yeah this time there will be bodies in a river rather than on a road. It's like a new level with a different environment. All this content, and it's not even DLC.
Well the 'retreat' in Kharkiv was literally abysmal. Leaving dozens of tanks, artillery, entire ammo depots and shit. So even just blowing up an ammo depot will be 'more organised'.
never believed in a total collapse. always thought they would just shorten the perimeter. people make hasty exaggerations anytime ukraine is advancing anywhere. when they got to izyum some analysts said the war would be over in a matter of days kek
When you're invading, the general idea is to move forward, not backward, vatniks. This concept may be a little hard for you to understand though. Anyway, keep coping over territory losses, because they're going to accelerate.
okrons still havent captured 1 large city and never will, ukronazis biggest achievements will remain villages that nobody cares about and a couple mid sized towns like lyman at best. kherson is russia forever
>Without X or without you?
Uhhhhh ... that doesn't really make sense, does it? Like, the implication is that being "without [R*ssians]" (i.e. resisting) means being "without X" (since X gets turned off/blockaded/bombed to shit/whatever), right?
Like, I get what it is MEANT here, namely >Living with the basic necessities but under R*ssia's thumb
or >Living WITHOUT the basic necessities but also NOT under R*ssia's thumb
but as written it kinda says the opposite, does it not?
The original speech was in Ukranian and probably sounds more mellifluous, eloquent and poetic in its original language.
Translating it into English probably lost some of the "feel".
2 years ago
Anonymous
Frick the "feel", it straight-up doesn't work in this translation.
ukrainians (and NAFO trannies) STILL not realizing that war is only about to begin and everything up to this very point was just a set up.
few days and russians will come in, guns blazing, retake the land, roast the pig, seethe the trannies and win.
screencap this, seethe and dilate.
Ah, well I suppose sort of putting him out of his misery, well I guess not quite that quickly. Not sure if they should have captured and treated him or given him a bullet for a quicker end instead.
Well whatever, the Russians that don't surrender or flee have kind of signed their own death certificates. They can't pretend to think it's just an exercise anymore, that only worked in like the first week or two.
Holy fricking shit the Yooks need to up the payload on those drone dropped shits, every single video I've seen has them leaving the Vatnik horribly mutilated but still alive.
I know that's often the point of many munitions but with the absolute state of this war it's just animal cruelty at this point.
their commercial chinesium drones don't have the capacity to carry that kind of payload. They have a smaller number of heavier ones that can, but those are still in short supply, albeit increasing in quantity slowly
Oh did did collapse, its just that other than in Balikliia, there was actually a logical retreat point other than the other side of a river or a border.
The breakthrough in Kherson was, by all accounts, more devastating than the one at Balaklia, losing more ground, more troops, and more strategic positions than in Kharkiv. In hindsight it just looks better managed because they didn't immediately have to frick off from the entire region and regroup to a location with basically no northern defenses because a consistent theme of these breakthroughs has been that Russia assumes that they would never be on the defence and as such did not make additional defensive lines.
Eventually the compressing waves of retreating frickers became thick enough that they essentially had undergone a de-facto regrouping effort, but their newly established lines aren't exactly made for all-out war duty, so don't expect them to last particularly long.
As for Ukraine, well, optimism is the bane of good planning so it is very likely that, well, Ukraine simply did not expect quite such a massive exploitation opportunity and simply couldn't exploit further without wearing themselves thin, so they consolidated their gains and are now laying the ground work for round 2.
Once Mylove falls, its over; the primary supply and repair point for the Russians will be in HIMARS range and gets shit on
They destroyed some ammunition(despite what anon claims Ukraine recovered stash of Krasnopol laser guided ammunition), and maybe recovered some vehicles, although scores of T-62M were left behind
an organized retreat is costly for the attacker as you go from defensive location to defensive location in theory wearing down the enemies. the effectiveness of this does rely on terrain and prepared defenses though.
Someone make a new thread, some holy fricking kino just dropped. Russian oinker got plinked in the head defending his literal shithole and then him and his blowjob buddy that crawled between his legs got asploded!
Yeah, the UKR troops are going to hang back, cut the head off the russian army before tromping in.
It's almost like they think before they act, based on prevailing conditions, instead of blindly charging in. Truly strange.
Russians seem to be convinced that Ukraine is still operating on their own dumbass deep strike stratagem that is essentially the military equivalent of "Throw everything at the wall and see what sticks and hope your enemy as dumb as you" which cost them the first stage of the war.
Instead Ukraine has been operating on a careful rythm of several weeks of shaping, fixing and logistical bombardments paired with constant intelligence gathering, before carrying out a single focused breakthrough effort and then capitalizing on enemy retreats and basically regrouping and reestablishing the line once they run into a door they can't just kick in. Then its rinse and repeat.
All of this is done while purposely ignoring enemy strong holds entirely, prefering to put the enemy in a situation where they can only flee while leaving massive amount of supplies.
I'm looking at the current Kherson map. I'm not a military strategist, but what I see is: > Russians surrounded on 3 sides with river at back, all bridges destroyed. > Russians can only be supplied by air drop or boat, presume UKR would shoot down or sink anything that tries to reach them > Urban landscape favoring the defender > UKR with open supply lines to rear
Assume the play here is to weaken what's left of russian forces before sallying forth. It's basically a siege. Assume that's what we're seeing now.
Risk is russia getting organized in other regions, or a break through, so can't stay like this forever...
>2 weeks special needs operations >Dig trenches in Chernobyl >Kiev front collapses >3 months for mariupol, week one objective >Lose moska to a shitty drone >Three months of gains lost in a week >Kharkiv front collapses >Start mobilization, because we never lost most of the initial invading force and we don't need more men >We don't want nato to expand, sweden and finland join nato
I can go on and on about puccia frick ups, and now we have to believe after all of this that they can hold kherson?
>Ukies have started making a systemic advance >Vatniks have finally gotten their shit together to set up a proper defense in Kherson >Both sides expecting conflict very soon
This is going to be an extremely /k/ino battle. Whatever happens here will decisively determine how the rest of the war goes. If Russians manage to fight off the Ukrainian attack, this will be a very long final push to get Russia out of their country. If Ukraine wins in short order, there is absolutely nothing Russia can do to win. This is the true assessment of the capability of both sides on somewhat equal ground.
I've seen zero evidence of this, other than vatniks repeating it ad-nauseaum. It seems they're cornered there and cutoff from supplies and reinforcements, with no hopes of air or any kind of support.
>DEFINITELY properly fortified
and in the range of uke arty, with no hope of resupply or further retreat. seems like a perfectly prepared defensive position, vatnik style.
No because I said it seemed like this time they were doing an actual organized withdrawal, even if there seemed to be some confusion among the Russian forces in the beginning. It made sense to withdraw, and it even seems like they remembered to keep some distance between the front and Nova Kakhova in order to keep the arty at bay or give themselves some depth in case the Ukrainians hit them too soon after.
It's just a shame that the Arty is probably still able to hit them, just with a bit less accuracy as the Ukrainian drone spotters haven't moved in yet.
UA OpSec keeps us from really knowing how far they've advanced into this gap, but I'd guess like in every other advance they made they're being cautious, looking out for minefields or straggler units and establishing defenses to fall back to in the unlikely case of counter attack.
People are right for taking the piss out of the actual dozen or so "collapse" threads that were being made before the previous one even archived, that was kinda dumb. Next time, wait a little bit and don't get too over-eager. It's painful to wait for actual news but that's just how war is when one side is practicing good opsec and the other is literally spewing bullshit to obfuscate what's going on.
If she's embedded with Vatniks she needs to be ugly otherwise she'd be subjected to rape twenty-four hours a day seven days a week overseen and indeed joined-in on by the officers.
i mean is anyone around here delusional enough to think that when the reinforcement arrive that ukraine will halt their advances?
its a basic trained at most 300k men like it or not they will make a huge difference against soldiers that are fighting for months and are basicly out of energy
take it from someone that was moronic enough to go to afganistan
i learned quite a lot about my problems there
it doesnt matter one bit if they fight 24/7 or not
due to the nature of the situation your body adapts your sensory inputs accordingly
specifically your smell changes to accomodate for the danger you are facing
your eyesight and touch gets heywire apparently because your subconsioucs think that you are in such a danger that you might actually lose one or two so it keeps them on alert 24/7
you also start having light sleeps because your hearing adapts in order to wake you up faster
all of that (which isnt normal) messes up your circadian rhythm so badly that you dont even realise it (u.s veterans are a prime example) and there is only one way to fix it
you need to spend 1-2 months near or in nature in order for your body to revert back to its synchronicity with the universe
hence why rotating every few months or weeks isnt really enough and it will be evident once the reinforcements arrive because those people arent fighting for MoThEr ruSSia but for their lives which is equally as dangerous
ukraine currently has 1 million people in active combat against 80k (i think roughly from the initial push left) russians to me the amount of area they took back considering the huge manpower advantage is laughable i just hope their overconfidence and their bullshit media wont get bitten back
That's right Zisters, we're not losing as fast as we thought we would! Ukrops BTFO!
Kherson is literally designed to soak up ukronazi attacks and be a meat grinder. The dumb Ukies fell for the trap
>TH-THE PLAN WILL WORK THIS TIME, PROMISE!
It is working, moron
You've been saying they're doomed for u months now
Russian victory in 2 more weeks, yeah?
Haha stupid HATO tranies you will never grasp genius of Russian bear. We wanted to lose territory we just annexed and thousands Russians died conquering it.
wasn't this the bear they dug up during the kherson offensive that got concussed?
No this is after hohols failed attack on Lyman, because Russians wanted hohols to take that city too.
Poor bear 🙁
Kherson is a long sock for the ruski hamster to sit in while Ukraine bangs him against the walls like a flail. The accuracy advantage in artillery plus ruskies having to cross a wide body of water with supplies and back again if retreating makes this whole thing a suicide. Huge number of Russians will get captured in the end, when they have another round of panicking and fleeing.
>Kherson is a long sock for the ruski hamster to sit in while Ukraine bangs him against the walls like a flail
Fricking kek
>Kherson is a long sock for the ruski hamster to sit in while Ukraine bangs him against the walls like a flail.
Such a way with words.
>Kherson is a long sock for the ruski hamster to sit in while Ukraine bangs him against the walls like a flail.
>ukraine practices defense in depth
>AHAHA UKROPS LOOSING LAND HARD AHAHA COPE HOHOLS POCCNR IS WINNING
>russia practices defense in depth
>STUPID KHOKHOL UKRONAZI STRATEGICALLY LOOSING LAND IS SMART YOU'RE GOING INTO THE MEATGRINDER
>verification not required
what's the strategic advantage of using defense in depth during an invasion? aren't you meant to be capturing territory
>LOOSING
Learn to spell, please. Losing. It's a single O.
God, you just know there’s a special kind of ass pain connected to people who try to correct speling errors on this cite.
Defense in depth requires you to have some form of actual depth. Being pushed between a riverbank, enemy forces and the borders of the city your suppose to hold isn't depth
Both Ukrainians and Russians work on the Soviet tactic of a staggered retreat.
So some territory changing hands isn't even worth mentioning, unless of course it is such an uter catastrophe as in Kharkiv.
basically this
Don't fall for shills no side is clearly winning right now and this war could last years. In a month or two momentum will shift again and it will be Russias turn to take some worthless villages and only then can we make an estimate of who's attacks have a bigger impact
How does defending an unresuppliable position actually work?
Kherson is seemingly being resupplied via boats. If they didn't have supplies they would have fallen already. I'm not saying it isn't a logistical challenge but Kherson is a port city and those tend to have a lot of logistical infrastructure that in this case can benefit Russia.
What happens when boats are in range of regular artillery?
Well, given that boats are easily visible from radar, must be refilled from known mooring points and have to be stationary for a considerable amount of time to fill up their hold.....
You do the maths
I don't know anon. I do know that Russians aren't getting their supplies through magic though so they might use several smaller boats or tugs. I'm sure if I you where a russian logistics officer you could come up with a few ideas yourself friend.
>clearly no side is winning right now
When you invade with near-total strategic and tactical surprise, lose half your tanks and elite units, get pushed back to a riverbank and encircled in an unescapable town, you are losing.
Short of something magical like every single Russian instantly being killed by precision munitions the minute they crossed the border I honestly can't see how they could more clearly be losing.
>Russian instantly being killed by precision munitions the minute they crossed the border
No, they are instead dying in russian barracks across the border from diseases like dysentery, cholera, and TB.
This is the true power of the russian. They can kill their conscripts en masse without them even needing to step foot on enemy lands.
>All this shit and we still have Russian winter + whatever Magic Ukraine pulls off before the frost sets in to go
Oh my god they're actually going to boogaloo aren't they...
So it makes sense to puccians to use defense in depth while being the invading force?
You should fortify your positions, really dig in there so they couldn't move you from your trenches if they wanted to. There's no way they can pinpoint artillery and drones right on top of you.
They literally can and have been. Maybe Russians and Russian gear can't. Ukies with NATO gear literally can and have been this whole time and it's huge part of why there's such disproportionate ground being gained by such a small force.
That was kind of my joke. Though I suppose if they have buildings to hide in it might be a touch harder I suppose. But I think Russia already shelled out most of them.
Did I ever tell you what the definition of insanity is?
>AND IT JUST KEEPS GETTING FUNNIER
>EVERY CITY IS GROZNY
>CONSCRIPTS WILL FIGHT TO THE DEATH IN THE RUBBLE LIKE AZOV NAZIS
lmao
They don't need to. Kherson has an abysmal strategic position in the current point of the war because at the current angle of approach, it would be insane to push into Kherson.
Instead, a far smarter option would be to fix it and then ignore it. And then just capture everything east of the Dnipro and wait for the Russian garrison to inevitably wave the white flag and purchase their freedom with a shitton of viable heavy equipment. Ukraine would be committing a massive strategic blunder if they'd spent their momentum on block-to-block fighting in Kherson.
It doesn't even need to be a meat grinder. Hohols are losing so many men with every offensive it'd insane.
Source: I made it the frick up.
Also, as far as infantry losses go, Ukraine can soak that shit up at the current rate of attrition for a year to come. Its about 5.5 million men away from total sustainable mobilization and actually has a waiting list of volunteers. I think that as far as attrition goes, they'll be fine as long as morale holds.
>doesn't deny it
HAHAHAHAHA even /k/oper natotrannies have to admit their pigsters are dying en masse
Given how hilariously inflated Russian estimates have been in the past, we can ignore those. Ukraine has given a somewhat realistic number while they were still in the defensive phase of being about 47k losses out of which 10k being KIA's in June. This roughly maps with the ratio that you'd expect defenders to lose manpower.
Is Ukraine losing more manpower on aggregate at this point in the war? Yes, by a considerable margin. It is basically a fricking given when conducting offensive operations. Is it anywhere near unsustainable levels? No. Its not even close. There are many things that could become an issue to Ukraine down the line. Manpower ain't on the list.
I remember how fricking salty they were at one point they unironically added +1000 to their UAVs shot down list, and posted a propaganda vid of having shot down 1000 Bayraktars
>ukraine makes up shit
>ONG SO TRUE BASED UKIES
>Russia makes up shit
>UMM PROOFS? I AM SUDDENLY A RATIONAL SCEPTIC
Also, you admit hohols lost more manpower, checkmate
Stop dodging mogilization, vanya.
when they hang all you puccian shills by your guts, then there will be peace in the world. I hope every government does what the balt states did to Puccian fifth columnists. If it were ever possible to torment someone's soul without allowing it to pass to the afterlife, puccians and their shills should be subject to it for a thousand years before being sent off
R*ssians lie as they breathe though
....Yes, they are in fact losing more manpower rushing down trenches than they are sitting in their own waiting for the inevitable daily line of morons making a half-hearted effort at capturing them to avoid getting charged for insubordination.
Unless you take your enemy by surprise or your name is America, you'll always lose more in offensive operations than you do in defensive operations.
Furthermore, Ukraine's report closely match that of western intelligence communities and common heuristics for the type of war they are in. For example, it matches the 1:3 wounded ratio you'd normally expect while Russia is somehow claiming that Ukraine has a baffling 2:1 ratio of deaths to wounded.
But yeah, Ukraine will see more losses. And these losses would have to be multiplied by around 3x to meaningfully dampen morale and about 10x to seriously harm their long term prospects. A gentle reminder that Ukraine has the same mobilization potential as France in 1914 and aren't anywhere in the same realm of existance as WW1 attrition losses. I would say the same for Russia but decades of stock mismanagement and literally sending their trainers to the front in hope of a magical breakthrough kinda fricked their mobilization prospects for at least a year
easy to make up numbers in your head all day long vatBlack person. Now get me another hoagie while I watch vatBlack folk burn in hell today.
Based. So we agree that it's To The Last Ukrainian.
>to the last Ukrainian
>loses 61,000 vatBlack folk, countless donbabweans, and thousands of wagner cucks and akhmats
if you want to lose what's left of your professionals too, don't let us stop you
How many dead hohols?
defensive war, even if they had 3x of the casualities as the russians, they are still figting for survival. For some fricked up reason so does the russians, weird how this land grab is working.
Trying to pretend helping people defend themselves is immoral is next level chutzpah
>Hohols are losing so many men....
Yet I don't see you enumerating how many men the Puccians are losing. Even if its 1:1, you're still going to end up depleted and non-combat ready.
Also, "Hohol" is a racial slur. The kind of language a Nazi would use. I suspect it is time to "Denazify" Kherson. (Or at least perform some smacktard fumigation.)
>the anus is spreading!
>ukronazi
Schizo
You know you're not gonna get that paycheck right vatnik? Your boss is pocketing it right now.
Was anyone expecting something else?
bla bla bla
Theiy're reteating nonetheless
Of course, there is no bridge to flee like in Karkhiv.
They are doomed.
Sounds like it's collapsing
>artillery now has less area to focus on, is closer and can fire from more directions
Yeah, long fight ahead...
makes it easier to us to destroy ukronazi artillery
Russia only uses those to terrorise civilians. Just like all their other weapons really.
>us
Won't stop you from losing.
Weird that Russia is using Ukrainian drones when I was told they weren't running low on long range missiles.
even if Kherson was taken right this instant, it soaked up AT LEAST 55k dead Oinkranians. Russia withdrew orderly like in Kharkiv and sent the piggies into pre-prepared killzones.
But sure, tell me how the 22nd Kherson counteroffensive will be different this time 🙂
Inb4, I am not mad at the
but no one except paid russian shills (and serbs, which are like paid shills, but they get paid in russian cum) use "piggies" and "Oinkranians"
>:)
Nah he's trolling.
I've been looking for that image. Do you have the screenshot of the Russian asking for weapons and the chink telling him no?
Wonder if that is actually what Xi is thinking. They could probably have helped Russia at some point with some supplies, but it doesn't sound like any have been found have they? Any chinese mre's or anything?
nothing obviously chinese was found so far to my knowledge. I think they dug up some nork artillery shells sometime during the Kharkiv thunder run.
It benefits China for Russia to lose. They can buy up all the industries and resources in Russia at bargain basement prices.
>They could probably have helped Russia at some point with some supplies
lol no, why would they? The West would sanction their ass all around and their economy is based on export. Chinks are not going to do shit for ruskies because theres not advantage. They want weak russia to buy cheap natural resources
>chinese MREs
cue SteveMRE poisoning himself twice
>Wonder if that is actually what Xi is thinking.
He gibs equipment, it'll get misused, captured or even sold to western powers, causing a gigantic embarassment after actual decades of chest thumping and posturing that tiger most powerful rawr. Mind you, all power CCP has comes from the impression of power and said chest thumping and between 0 Covid policies, economic shitshows (mostly coming from said policies), financial shitshows, housing shitshows, floods, droughts, other ecological shotshows hitting the largest cities, corruption that makes Russia seem pure and a demographic crisis, changs are at their limits even by their bugmen standards
or Xi could refuse, entrench further, maintain status quo and scoop up some resources at the upcoming blowout sale.
The important thing about geopolitics to remember whenever shit hits the fan:
Russia has no allies. They have hostages, they will run the second the door is open and Russia is distracted.
China has no allies. They have a web of marriages of convenience where in they will frick over the other party at the earliest convenient point. Its why nowadays an agreement with China isn't worth more than the paper its written on, or why they decimated the credibility of BRI on account of them constantly fleecing the partners they were trying to make with it.
You can see this quite clearly because China isn't doing what is best for their alliance. They are doing what is best for China. Which at this point is strategic ambiguity and in a few months time will be buying up Russian bankruptcies under the pretense of economic support.
Well I guess they have their own stuff to deal with in terms of economy and internal strife. Also no need to get involved in that fricking mess for, I dno what, benefit. That is not to say they havent done anything, but your supposedly strong manly ”ally” slipping on a banana peel and revealing himself as a useless shit doesnt lend the shifty chinks to rushing to their aid, not while you can make more lucrative deals with them due to their predicament.
China is a peaceful country unlike amerikkka
>please ignore the historical huge amount of internal conflict that took place behind the curtain.
And the two invasions they have had.
Internal conflict doesn't count.
No. Just ask Vietnam, there was no war.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sino-Vietnamese_War
This seems like a war.
>initiated 0 conflicts
Didn't China invade Vietnam after we got done there?
Failed too as I recall.
Did they help North Korea with their war? Or at least now they are the only ones keeping the regime from collapsing.
They sent a force of 800,000 men to North Korea in the 50's and engaged in direct combat with UN forces. They called it a volunteer force so as to distant it from the official Chinese army, on paper at least.
The CCP clearly didn't give a flying frick about the prospect of getting nuked by the USA in response (which they totally could have done). This is in stark contrast to the situation in Europe today where everyone is seemingly treading on eggshells around Putin because of 'muh nooks'.
It would've done if Truman wasn't such a pussy and told McArthur to take his schizo meds
Yep, tried to steal a bunch of land and re-install pol-pot/the khmer rouge. They managed to shift the border a few miles but otherwise lost. Same thing happened when they invaded india in the 60s.
That’s...not even remotely correct, I mean yeah it is for America mostly but Jesus they don’t even try for China.
Do they not see that such posts make them look weak?
They don’t, everything is about looking good, even if it’s just skin deep.
The People's Republic of China has initiated zero wars*
*The First Taiwanese Straits Crisis, the Sino-Vietnamese War of 1979, the Sino-Soviet Border Wars, the Sino-Indian War of 1962, the Sino-Indian War of 1967, the 1950 Invasion of Tibet, the Chinese Intervention in the Korean War, the Second Taiwanese Straits Crisis, the Sino-Vietnamese Border Skirmishes (1979-1991), the Sino-Indian Border Skirmishes of 2020-2021, the Xinjiang Conflict, and the Battle of the Paracel Islands not included
Their handwave for all of those is that those territories are all China rook at map Zheng He took shit here many century before so is now China forever.
the war on sparrows, the war on students, the war on truth, the war on uyghurs, the war on common sense
Vietnam, Tibet, Sino-Soviet conflicts on top of my head.
Black person, the Sino-Vietnamese war was 43 years ago and it ended in ~90
>not even a proxy war
The frick was the korean war then? And the conflict with vietnam? The border skirmish with the USSR? The occupation of tibet?
>China
>Initiated
>USA
>Waged
Yeah, nice wording, c**t
I fricking hate seeing these chicom propagandists all over the internet. I can't wait for the embarrassment they will suffer when they get BTFO during an attempted invasion of Taiwan.
Noguns here, what am I looking at? Bulets tumbling mid flight, with implied shit accuracy?
>Bulets tumbling mid flight, with implied shit accuracy?
>Bullets Tumbling in mid flight, which means actual shit accuracy, all at a short range where the bullets should not under any circumstance be "key-holing" like that.
It's normally posted to show how shit Chinese rifles are, but I'm going to play devil's advocate for a minute.
Historically it wasn't uncommon for countries to use wooden bullets to tip their blanks. This allows for standard case production to be used for training rounds, and usually eliminates the need for a blank-fire muzzle adapter in actions that would otherwise require one. China does like doing things cheap, after all. The downside to this tyope of blank is a nominal decrease in safety, as you are now firing a light-weight easily frangible projectile with every blank. Again, china. We've seen enough liveleak footage to gauge their opinions on safety margins.
If china does use this kind of blank for live-fire exercises the result would look a lot like the video. The fake bullets are too lightweight to stabilize in standard rifling, and will start to tumble as soon as they leave the muzzle. All targets are also within a close enough distance to the shooter that keyholing projectiles are still likely to hit them.
What the frick are you on about. Blank firing adapters are used in war gaming, not marksmanship. Why the frick would anyone train marksmanship with blanks LMAO. The rounds are tumbling because China once again copied a Western concept, but didn't read the book so he copied the mistakes made by our old homework. In about 4 years they'll release a new ammo variant fixing their stabilization issues
>Why the frick would anyone train marksmanship with blanks LMAO
You answered your own question.
>because China once again copied a Western concept, but didn't read the book so he copied the mistakes made by our old homework.
I'm just posting a supposition, but it fits.
and at 71 years the Chinks kill 40 million of their own people
China doesn’t want a strong Russia. They want a compliant client state that they can use for resource extraction. Letting the Russians beat their head against Ukraine and come crawling to China for economic relief is in their best interest.
The only thing China cares about is avoiding the same sanctions as Russia, they aren't going to burn down their export based economy for Putin's USSR nostalgia trip.
China has even stopped blaming NATO/US for Russia's invasion. The UN confirmed yesterday that they took out all the wording implicating them. They still haven't blamed it on Putin, but still. They also have said that Putin using a nuke is unacceptable.
Honestly at this point china probably benefits more from a weak russia than a strong one
They get a vassal state, they can encroach upon the ex-soviet sphere of influence, and since they "technically" didnt pick a side, their relationships with Europe are more or less the same
You haven't even begun to touch on the benefits to China from Russia shitting the bed this hard.
All those African regimes both have been courting for resources are now going to go with China because Russia have been cucked and humiliated on a global stage.
Then there's the fact that nobody is ever going to want to buy their shitbox Ork-tier military garbage again.
China is laughing all the way to the fricking Bank, then back again.
Why the frick would China help Russia?
They are salivating at the thought of being able to pick apart Russia if it collapses.
>chinese MRE's
frickin steve had worse experiences with them than rations that were made in WW2 lmao
Damage to the base is said to be heavy and the Israeli Jets are reported to have made it back to their headquarters
Anon Steve ate MREs from WW1 that were better and didn't prompt vomiting.
Allegedly the Chinese thought the US was just trying to stir shit when we told them the Russians were planning to invade, because Russia basically told them it was just posturing. China seems to have felt slighted by the Russian invasion for making them look like assclowns, and the Chinese do not take losing face very well. So China seems quite content to let Russia drown in a pool of its own piss to make this point: China is no longer the "junior" partner to the USSR. It never liked that feeling in their relationship to begin with. China is now the superior in the relationship, and if 50,000 Russians need to die in Putin's vanity project to make this point, so be it. China no longer views Russia as anything more than a gas station and open strip mine.
chink banter has been so good so far in the war lmao
Their banter is top tier when they aren't butthurt about being chinkoids
The lesson is we need to constantly have one country JUSTing itself for everyone to laugh at together, then we're perfectly capable of coexisting with the Chinks in peace.
>Being called a subhuman by chang of all the things
How mighty have fallen...
Imagine when the pajeets start calling Russians subhumans and stocking their prostitutehouses with Natashas...
It took less than a month for the Ukis to capture an iranian drone almost intact, the chinese would have to be extremely dumb to give the russians anything more complex than a pair of scissors, since it would be in ramstein by the end of the week
i just googled weak goose...
I have no idea why chinks call russians geese? Just because they are white, loud, aggressive, and shit everywhere ? Are pajeets called ducks (brown,stupid and still shit everwhere)?
it's chink wordplay. I think it's to do with both how a goose is called in their language along with a similar character in how they spell russia in chinkrunes.
I have an instinctual love for wordplay that stems from Chink/Jap runes looking kinda similar even though none of it makes a lick of sense to me until it's explained.
https://www.whatsonweibo.com/why-russia-is-nicknamed-the-weak-goose-on-chinese-social-media/
Chink for Russia sounds similar to Goose in chink.
Where's that "weak goose" graphic from China? Only saw it once, didn't have a chance to save.
youre even more optimistic than the propaganda analyst on state tv. they should hire you!
anyway, citation need to your claims
>Russia withdrew orderly like in Kharkiv
I didn't know withdrawing in good order included leaving behind an entire divisions worth of tanks and other heavy equipment
> AT LEAST 55k dead
in your digits
twice
>AT LEAST 55k dead Oinkranians.
Source: My overstretched butthole.
Oh, suddenly you like twitter threads?
OP seems to think twitter threads are fine as long as they are posted by Syrians, Armenians or tankies.
Unfortunately it is true. You guys made dozens of the Kherson collapse threads but it turns out ukros barely captured anything and what they did capture was in the northeast with no strategic significance.
The Blowbang video really made /misc/ mad, huh? They've come here to shill in greater numbers. That or there's some other hilarious disaster we're about to learn about.
Yeah this time there will be bodies in a river rather than on a road. It's like a new level with a different environment. All this content, and it's not even DLC.
they're retreating so their own forces don't get hit with the nuke.
>thinking that will help
Well the 'retreat' in Kharkiv was literally abysmal. Leaving dozens of tanks, artillery, entire ammo depots and shit. So even just blowing up an ammo depot will be 'more organised'.
never believed in a total collapse. always thought they would just shorten the perimeter. people make hasty exaggerations anytime ukraine is advancing anywhere. when they got to izyum some analysts said the war would be over in a matter of days kek
When you're invading, the general idea is to move forward, not backward, vatniks. This concept may be a little hard for you to understand though. Anyway, keep coping over territory losses, because they're going to accelerate.
Actually it's Ukraine invading Russia now.
Annexation moved to 2026.
xaxaxaxaxa okrainian offensive already culminated *~~
ukrops will never get cherson back *~~*~~*~~*~~*~~)
BAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA BASED COMRADE. FRICK HOHOLPIGGES. OINK OINK OINK SQUEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE.
russia is here to stay forever in cherson *~~
Indeed comrade. Long live Russia!
like they were there to stay forever in kharkiv oblast right vatBlack person dumbfrick?
okrons still havent captured 1 large city and never will, ukronazis biggest achievements will remain villages that nobody cares about and a couple mid sized towns like lyman at best. kherson is russia forever
how many major cities has HIV-stan has captured?
What, like Sumy and Kharkiv and Chernihiv?
Tell me what happened to the Russian control of those cities.
>"russia is here to stay forever in cherson *~~"
Welll, their corpses will forever fertilize the sunflower and melon fields.
>Without X or without you?
Uhhhhh ... that doesn't really make sense, does it? Like, the implication is that being "without [R*ssians]" (i.e. resisting) means being "without X" (since X gets turned off/blockaded/bombed to shit/whatever), right?
Like, I get what it is MEANT here, namely
>Living with the basic necessities but under R*ssia's thumb
or
>Living WITHOUT the basic necessities but also NOT under R*ssia's thumb
but as written it kinda says the opposite, does it not?
The original speech was in Ukranian and probably sounds more mellifluous, eloquent and poetic in its original language.
Translating it into English probably lost some of the "feel".
Frick the "feel", it straight-up doesn't work in this translation.
ukrainians (and NAFO trannies) STILL not realizing that war is only about to begin and everything up to this very point was just a set up.
few days and russians will come in, guns blazing, retake the land, roast the pig, seethe the trannies and win.
screencap this, seethe and dilate.
Are the 99th layer of gloves coming off?
have a nice day vatnik
eek ouch. i didnt see the extended version of this. homie still alive
War is hell
Why is he just lying out there? Already injured?
he got blown up by a grenade previously, then finished with another
Ah, well I suppose sort of putting him out of his misery, well I guess not quite that quickly. Not sure if they should have captured and treated him or given him a bullet for a quicker end instead.
Well whatever, the Russians that don't surrender or flee have kind of signed their own death certificates. They can't pretend to think it's just an exercise anymore, that only worked in like the first week or two.
Waste of a grenade.
I'm sure he was happy because he died fighting for putin.
how the hell do you still manage to be alive after being directly hit like that
just seconds.
Frick never saw he was still conscious after that, hope the poor bastard bleed out quick.
Holy fricking shit the Yooks need to up the payload on those drone dropped shits, every single video I've seen has them leaving the Vatnik horribly mutilated but still alive.
I know that's often the point of many munitions but with the absolute state of this war it's just animal cruelty at this point.
their commercial chinesium drones don't have the capacity to carry that kind of payload. They have a smaller number of heavier ones that can, but those are still in short supply, albeit increasing in quantity slowly
>it's just animal cruelty at this point.
that's an insult to animals, comparing them to vatniks
That's the point. Seeing the mutilated lower body of your Comrades makes you think twice of continuing the fight
I think seeing things like this is bad for my mental health
_T__|_T_
>t-this time it's "more strategic"
kekw russoids are fricked
Somewhere in Ukraine, Ukrainian anons from 2ch hunt down the 3-rd army corps.
>3-rd army corps.
So not all of them died in Kupiansk
Nope. They were split and put in fragments on different parts of the frontline. So basically they no existent as a single unit.
The rest died of old age.
Oh did did collapse, its just that other than in Balikliia, there was actually a logical retreat point other than the other side of a river or a border.
The breakthrough in Kherson was, by all accounts, more devastating than the one at Balaklia, losing more ground, more troops, and more strategic positions than in Kharkiv. In hindsight it just looks better managed because they didn't immediately have to frick off from the entire region and regroup to a location with basically no northern defenses because a consistent theme of these breakthroughs has been that Russia assumes that they would never be on the defence and as such did not make additional defensive lines.
Eventually the compressing waves of retreating frickers became thick enough that they essentially had undergone a de-facto regrouping effort, but their newly established lines aren't exactly made for all-out war duty, so don't expect them to last particularly long.
As for Ukraine, well, optimism is the bane of good planning so it is very likely that, well, Ukraine simply did not expect quite such a massive exploitation opportunity and simply couldn't exploit further without wearing themselves thin, so they consolidated their gains and are now laying the ground work for round 2.
Once Mylove falls, its over; the primary supply and repair point for the Russians will be in HIMARS range and gets shit on
>retreat
>retreat more organized
some explain the difference in the end result
Less lend-lease for UAF from Russia
They destroyed some ammunition(despite what anon claims Ukraine recovered stash of Krasnopol laser guided ammunition), and maybe recovered some vehicles, although scores of T-62M were left behind
an organized retreat is costly for the attacker as you go from defensive location to defensive location in theory wearing down the enemies. the effectiveness of this does rely on terrain and prepared defenses though.
Why the FRICK do all vatBlack folk sound the sam
"A more strategic retreat" just means that only some of them are panicking and dropping all of their stuff before retreating.
Da, we destroyed over 500 Himars, killed over 150k holols and 50k Hato troops.
Someone make a new thread, some holy fricking kino just dropped. Russian oinker got plinked in the head defending his literal shithole and then him and his blowjob buddy that crawled between his legs got asploded!
Rus si a! Rus si a!
https://www.reddit.com/r/CombatFootage/comments/xx3878/ukrainian_soldiers_raided_the_russian_position/
Yeah, the UKR troops are going to hang back, cut the head off the russian army before tromping in.
It's almost like they think before they act, based on prevailing conditions, instead of blindly charging in. Truly strange.
Russians seem to be convinced that Ukraine is still operating on their own dumbass deep strike stratagem that is essentially the military equivalent of "Throw everything at the wall and see what sticks and hope your enemy as dumb as you" which cost them the first stage of the war.
Instead Ukraine has been operating on a careful rythm of several weeks of shaping, fixing and logistical bombardments paired with constant intelligence gathering, before carrying out a single focused breakthrough effort and then capitalizing on enemy retreats and basically regrouping and reestablishing the line once they run into a door they can't just kick in. Then its rinse and repeat.
All of this is done while purposely ignoring enemy strong holds entirely, prefering to put the enemy in a situation where they can only flee while leaving massive amount of supplies.
I'm looking at the current Kherson map. I'm not a military strategist, but what I see is:
> Russians surrounded on 3 sides with river at back, all bridges destroyed.
> Russians can only be supplied by air drop or boat, presume UKR would shoot down or sink anything that tries to reach them
> Urban landscape favoring the defender
> UKR with open supply lines to rear
Assume the play here is to weaken what's left of russian forces before sallying forth. It's basically a siege. Assume that's what we're seeing now.
Risk is russia getting organized in other regions, or a break through, so can't stay like this forever...
I've seen some unconfirmed reports that ruskies have thrown the forces from Nova Kakhovka to reinforce the frontline near Berislav
>2 weeks special needs operations
>Dig trenches in Chernobyl
>Kiev front collapses
>3 months for mariupol, week one objective
>Lose moska to a shitty drone
>Three months of gains lost in a week
>Kharkiv front collapses
>Start mobilization, because we never lost most of the initial invading force and we don't need more men
>We don't want nato to expand, sweden and finland join nato
I can go on and on about puccia frick ups, and now we have to believe after all of this that they can hold kherson?
STOP BOMBING OUR BRIDGE REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE
>Ukies have started making a systemic advance
>Vatniks have finally gotten their shit together to set up a proper defense in Kherson
>Both sides expecting conflict very soon
This is going to be an extremely /k/ino battle. Whatever happens here will decisively determine how the rest of the war goes. If Russians manage to fight off the Ukrainian attack, this will be a very long final push to get Russia out of their country. If Ukraine wins in short order, there is absolutely nothing Russia can do to win. This is the true assessment of the capability of both sides on somewhat equal ground.
>Vatniks have finally gotten their shit together
The best they can, at least. Kherson is probably the first defensive position Russians have fallen back to that is DEFINITELY properly fortified.
I've seen zero evidence of this, other than vatniks repeating it ad-nauseaum. It seems they're cornered there and cutoff from supplies and reinforcements, with no hopes of air or any kind of support.
>DEFINITELY properly fortified
and in the range of uke arty, with no hope of resupply or further retreat. seems like a perfectly prepared defensive position, vatnik style.
Kherson will forever remain Russian.
same energy
Russians will forever stay in Herson.
In Hersons soil.
Next year's watermelon harvest is going to be amazing
Yeah, but the Ukies won't be able to eat the aidsmelons for fear of getting of AIDS.
>Elite soldiers are more dangerous
Shock of shock! But they're still gonna die.
One Russian tank was crewed by a Seperatist, a Wagner, and a VDV.
>All these pro-Russian posts
Still pissed you lost a TON of Generals quite recently in a HOTEL?
I hope russian shill posters are found and hanged or their hair cut off and the letter z cut into their foreheads
Probably because the last half decent russian troops are there
Part of the reason why Kharkov collapsed was because the troops there were badly trained conscripts
No because I said it seemed like this time they were doing an actual organized withdrawal, even if there seemed to be some confusion among the Russian forces in the beginning. It made sense to withdraw, and it even seems like they remembered to keep some distance between the front and Nova Kakhova in order to keep the arty at bay or give themselves some depth in case the Ukrainians hit them too soon after.
It's just a shame that the Arty is probably still able to hit them, just with a bit less accuracy as the Ukrainian drone spotters haven't moved in yet.
UA OpSec keeps us from really knowing how far they've advanced into this gap, but I'd guess like in every other advance they made they're being cautious, looking out for minefields or straggler units and establishing defenses to fall back to in the unlikely case of counter attack.
People are right for taking the piss out of the actual dozen or so "collapse" threads that were being made before the previous one even archived, that was kinda dumb. Next time, wait a little bit and don't get too over-eager. It's painful to wait for actual news but that's just how war is when one side is practicing good opsec and the other is literally spewing bullshit to obfuscate what's going on.
>ugly as sin
shouldn't the only reason why women reporters are hired be that they are eye-candy?
If she's embedded with Vatniks she needs to be ugly otherwise she'd be subjected to rape twenty-four hours a day seven days a week overseen and indeed joined-in on by the officers.
>apologize
i mean is anyone around here delusional enough to think that when the reinforcement arrive that ukraine will halt their advances?
its a basic trained at most 300k men like it or not they will make a huge difference against soldiers that are fighting for months and are basicly out of energy
but based moron, they haven't been fighting continuously for seven months, there's been lots of rotating in and out of troops.
take it from someone that was moronic enough to go to afganistan
i learned quite a lot about my problems there
it doesnt matter one bit if they fight 24/7 or not
due to the nature of the situation your body adapts your sensory inputs accordingly
specifically your smell changes to accomodate for the danger you are facing
your eyesight and touch gets heywire apparently because your subconsioucs think that you are in such a danger that you might actually lose one or two so it keeps them on alert 24/7
you also start having light sleeps because your hearing adapts in order to wake you up faster
all of that (which isnt normal) messes up your circadian rhythm so badly that you dont even realise it (u.s veterans are a prime example) and there is only one way to fix it
you need to spend 1-2 months near or in nature in order for your body to revert back to its synchronicity with the universe
hence why rotating every few months or weeks isnt really enough and it will be evident once the reinforcements arrive because those people arent fighting for MoThEr ruSSia but for their lives which is equally as dangerous
ukraine currently has 1 million people in active combat against 80k (i think roughly from the initial push left) russians to me the amount of area they took back considering the huge manpower advantage is laughable i just hope their overconfidence and their bullshit media wont get bitten back
Ah yes, the impressive organized retreat of the Russians will prove to be very effective.
You Fricking Ukranian Bandits and Whelp! They Fricking Tricked you Suckas!
Are we surprised the Russian army is getting better at running away with all the practice they've gotten?
how come ukranians are still advancing despite horrific casualties, zisters whats going on?
>a-at least it's not a full rout this time!!
lol
Slow collapse is still a collapse.