Prototype upgrade of the best selling spg on the market moron
baka these /k/oping krauts. Foams at the mouth over kf51 while screaming "prototype" at eveything else.
Black person, just stop.
K9 smashed pzh2000 in the exports market. And while k9 upgrades and variants are in the pipeline and about to be bought by bongs, pzh2000 has no fricking plans or any future at all.
Save your seething for the winter, kraut. Youll freeze to death otherwise without sucking putins pipe.
2 years ago
Anonymous
woah I guess the T-72 really is the best tank out there huh
2 years ago
Anonymous
>compares tank bought by thirdies with no other option with spg bought by countries serious about their defense
Logic must not be your strong suit, anon
2 years ago
Anonymous
That has absolutely nothing to do with the K9A2 being a prototype. You got BTFO because you don't know anything about weapons and are just here to bait, take that L and go home with some dignity left instead of vomiting buzzwords to hide your seething.
2 years ago
Anonymous
>thinks the popularity and reliability of base platform has nothing to do with prototype upgrade
Keep sucking that pipe, kraut
Literally nothing to contribute but your coping and seething. Oh thats right, because krauts are getting btfod at every turn by Koreans.
2 years ago
Anonymous
>birthrate of 0.8/f
germany doesn't need to worry about SK, it will be gone in 50 years.
2 years ago
Anonymous
Why are you so mad at Germans?
I mean, if you're a Korean fawning for your arms industry, okay, but why would a Korean be angry at Germans?
Or are you some pathetic person of usual suspect origin actively anticipating shit like this while your country gets nothing done?
Jesus get a grip man.
2 years ago
Anonymous
He's not a asiatic, he's pole (I suspect pole, brits have legitimate tech of their own to flex). And he hates germany because polish government media keeps poles in control by peddling the story of evil germany out to destroy poland like it's 1939.
2 years ago
Anonymous
What are you on about? These krauts literally have nothing to say except autistic screeching about Korea.
I point this out using actual data about the state of the two relevant mic in the modern era. Quote a single kraut on this thread with information.
All these threads go the same way:
1. people point out that Korean stuff is actually decent
2. krauts scream asiatic shill
3. kraut refuses to elaborate
Just read this fricking thread, moron. Seething krauts vs literal governments raving over Korean equipment. Literal no brainer.
2 years ago
Anonymous
Are Korean toilets easier to clean or why do you have such a hard on?
2 years ago
Anonymous
kraut obsession with toilets rivals pajeets.
Dilate.
2 years ago
Anonymous
I'm over the target it seems.
2 years ago
Anonymous
Meds, now.
Mass seething causes mass hysteria, it seems. Krauts see Poles wherever they go.
Go ahead. Spam the same tired shit about "gibs" and that graph to boot. The entire world is sick of kraut autism. Keep sucking putins pipe and keep seething.
2 years ago
Anonymous
>Reeeh germans weak korea strong u mad krauts u mad u mad?
The only one screeching here is you.
2 years ago
Anonymous
This. I quite literally never see a sign of this "kraut seethe" in these threads aside from a voiced frustration about shilling. By comparison nearly every single thread pertaining to korean weapons, including this one, will be filled with responses calling anyone critical or even just ambivalent about said weapons homosexuals, krauts, nips, putin dick suckers and whatever else, without fail. Then the thread archives and a new one pops up, ad infinitum.
2 years ago
Anonymous
So quote a single kraut who uses actual data to back up his so called "claim" that Korean equipment is overrated. You claim an "infinite" number of threads and yet not a single kraut who can say anything of substance. So what do you call it if not seething?
Back to reality, hans.
2 years ago
Anonymous
>kraut screeches about Koreans >kraut quickly switches to screeching about Poles >kraut iq unable to handle object permanence
Pace yourself, kraut. You have a lot more screeching ahead of you when Norway, Australia, and the UK also decided that germ shit isnt worth it.
2 years ago
Anonymous
You can speak nonsense as you wish, the truth is plain to see for anyone who reads your posts.
2 years ago
Anonymous
And I hope they do.
Korea is clearly the favorite for the bids in Nor/Aus/UK. And despite krauts seething about Poland 24/7, losing out on that major deal is a big blow to germ mic.
So go ahead. Say anything. Literally anything that is not "asiatic shill" or "pole gibs". All these threads and all these krauts put together cant make a single valid argument in any of them.
2 years ago
Anonymous
There is no valid argument against the position that you hate germans, because that's the only thing of importance you've stated here so far.
As for the rest >It's not really surprising that Korea with their much greater domestic orders and more willingness to export has an edge.
My words. The german MIC is hamstrung by our own government and no german with a clear mind would deny it. If you think that affords you rights to call germans by every english insult you ever learned that's on you.
2 years ago
Anonymous
Its almost as if Im responding to the army of germs who are being equally as insulting.
So tell us what exactly "affords you rights" to scream shill and toilet cleaner every chance you get?
Go read what your people are writing, hans. Not long before you people start crying for jannies.
2 years ago
Anonymous
Dude, he's baiting in hope of some drama
And it's pretty weak b8 honestly, because the general consensus among the /k/ Krauts i know is that Korea is one of the first places you should think of when going beyond russian/chink shit due to their very good price/performance ratio
2 years ago
Anonymous
Just stop, your thread is low qualityPrepHole banter same as your gay post
2 years ago
Anonymous
This thread literally originared on PrepHole as korean shitflinging per
[...]
fyi OP is actually a asiatic
so that checks out
2 years ago
Anonymous
Yeah, he really seems obsessed.
2 years ago
Anonymous
>5 krauts in thread seething >1 "Korean Pole" (hans cant seem to decide) >"obsessed"
Words have meaning, anon
2 years ago
Anonymous
You have been screeching about Germans since it was pointed out that the K9A2 (this thread's topic) is a prototype. Not even once you have replied on topic, just screeching about muh krauts.
Get a grip lol.
2 years ago
Anonymous
I see that they replaced reading comprehension with gender studies in germany. Pity.
I already said that this is a prototype UPGRADE to a proven and popular platform.
Keep up hans. The only thing worse than kraut screeching is repetitive kraut screeching.
2 years ago
Anonymous
What does that change? Of course a prototype or upgrade or whatever planned to be operational in 2027 is going to be better than something operational since the 90s.
Notice how you're the only one insulting people here? Again, get a grip.
2 years ago
Anonymous
So then if germs are half as capable as you people pretend then you should also have a prototype, no? The fact that there is no germ equivalent, even as a prototype proves everything I said.
2 years ago
Anonymous
>you
I'm not German.
And I have no idea if they are developing anything in that field. I know they are making autoloading artillery modules, but I don't know if they released any stats on them or if they are planning to integrate them in a vehicle comparable to the PzH2000 or just on trucks and IFV. I haven't read much on the topic yet.
I just know that the K9A2 is supposed to come out in a few years and that you are screeching in every thread even marginally related to Germany, including the ones you spam. I repeat: get a grip.
2 years ago
Anonymous
1. I dont make these threads
2. I dont usually participate in these kinds of threads
3. Post guns
Im just tired of germans getting uppity EVERY. SINGLE. TIME. Korea gets mentioned. Im not a Korean or a Pole, but like clockwork, the germans crawl out of the woodwork to assume that Im either one. Or both.
Not to mention that Im the only one who provided actual substance about weapons on this entire thread. The rest of it is germans being mad about Koreans and seeing Poles behind their eyelids.
So cry all you want about insults. This board as well as entire governments share my opinion.
2 years ago
Anonymous
>Germany is over >Pzh is over >Why aren't people having a civil discussion
You are dumb
2 years ago
Anonymous
>Im just tired of germans getting uppity EVERY. SINGLE. TIME. Korea gets mentioned
Wut?
Not that anon, but did you even read the first posts in this thread?
Someone stated facts (which doesn't even reflect badly on the K9 itself) to which OP respond with /k/oping and frothing bullshit in the style of >China numbah one
And I don't even have a reason to dislike the K9, because my country uses them and they are solid, just take that gay inferiority complex drama elsewhere
2 years ago
Anonymous
Did you read those posts? OP gets called a gayget and immediately doxxed. And somehow op and Koreans are the ones with a complex? You and the rest of the krauts seriously need to learn to read.
2 years ago
Anonymous
>PrepHole shit stirrer gets immediatley found out and told to go back to PrepHole
Wow, some doxx
2 years ago
Anonymous
Still proves that the krauts are the ones obsessed enough to comb through multiple threads between boards just to scrounge a little something to derail the conversation.
I swear, vatnik tier.
2 years ago
Anonymous
Could also just be a fellow PrepHole-er seeing the original PrepHole thread suggesting posting to /k/ and following it here.
Again, it's a self-admitted shitpost from another board aimed at stirring the pot, that was justifiably called out. Which leads me to assume dishonest intentions behind any thread that's started with intent of praising korean hardware.
2 years ago
Anonymous
>too many Korean shills! >Poles everywhere! >no wait its only one Korean >but also Poles
Meds, anon, meds.
Still proves that the krauts are the ones obsessed enough to comb through multiple threads between boards just to scrounge a little something to derail the conversation.
I swear, vatnik tier.
Your writing style is recognisable, dude. No kraut conspiracy here.
2 years ago
Anonymous
>No u cannot into reading comprehension
I literally wrote that my country uses the K9 brainlet
Step up your b8 game dude
2 years ago
Anonymous
>2. I dont usually participate in these kinds of threads
Lmao you have been seething about Germany for at least a couple months.
2 years ago
Anonymous
>too many Korean shills! >Poles everywhere! >no wait its only one Korean >but also Poles
Meds, anon, meds.
2 years ago
Anonymous
not him but German firms have the following: >PzH 2000 which already is as good as this Korean prototype >Rheinmetall HX3 with 155mm L/60 howitzer autoloaded in a remote turret >KMW RCH 155 autoloaded remote artillery module which can be fitted on tracked chassis like M270 or Leopard 2, wheeled chassis like Boxer or Piranha, and also regular trucks
2 years ago
Anonymous
Eh. PZH2000 has 8 rounds per minute, so that's a little less. It's also only semi-automatic (propellant is hand loaded). The latest K9 can be assumed to be better.
2 years ago
Anonymous
>>PzH 2000 which already is as good as this Korean prototype
At twice the price and now with reliability issues.
2 years ago
Anonymous
>twice the price
Source? No, comparing mass produced K9 to single reproduced PZH2000 doesn't count. >reliability issues
Not even the ukrainians claim that (they also just ordered 100 pieces). What they did notice is that the guns cannot be shot at maximum fire rate forever without requiring maintenance eventually.
2 years ago
Anonymous
He’s right though.
2 years ago
Anonymous
K9 is close in performance to pzh while costing half as much. That's the main reason it succeeded. Very few countries are willing to pay 10 million euros per hull for PZH 2000.
>polish prostitute
Do they actually get much business?
Off all the Slavic prostitutes I feel like poles are the last ones that jump to mind.
Russian meat tasters obviously being number one globally, while Czech would be the number two locally or something.
This is my theory, that its not a koreaboo but a antikraut poster. Although koreans do tend to be the absolute worst combination of arrogance and inferiority complex ever observed, I see no reason for them to be this viruleny germanophobic considering their entire submarine force wouldn't exist if it hadn't been for extensive german support.
>Although koreans do tend to be the absolute worst combination of arrogance and inferiority complex ever observed
Seriously, what the frick is their problem?
I know this is PrepHole but seriously, anon. This level of blatant ad hominem to derail the conversation about weapons rivals vatniks.
Stop before embarassing yourselves further.
This is my theory, that its not a koreaboo but a antikraut poster. Although koreans do tend to be the absolute worst combination of arrogance and inferiority complex ever observed, I see no reason for them to be this viruleny germanophobic considering their entire submarine force wouldn't exist if it hadn't been for extensive german support.
I do wonder what's next for german artillery. KMW and Rheinmetall appear to be betting on their artillery modules which can be mounted on various different platforms, rather than an improved dedicated howitzer. KMW has mounted theirs on ASCOD and Boxer, Rheinmetall theirs on an HX3 truck. Tracked Boxer and Lynx are probably suitable as well. Common platforms make sense of course, but there's probably some disadvantage.
Of course the german government would need to get their heads out of their asses to allow the MIC to come into their full potential, which they probably won't. It's not really surprising that Korea with their much greater domestic orders and more willingness to export has an edge.
Why are you frickers so getting caught up about ROF like some fricking autistic WoT spastics? You'd think in a real war anyone gives a frick if they can fire the daily logistics cap of shells over 10 or 15 minutes and then sit on their ass for 23.75 or 23.83 hours the rest of the day?
Any decent NATO howitzer with MRSI capability and some burst fire capability for priority targets is good enough. Krabs are in Ukraine killing vatBlack folk, PzH2000 are in Ukraine killing vatBlack folk, UA has ordered tons of both. Y'all can spast around which is better, but the likely answer is "where can we get the best rebate". Which is a geopolitical and industrial question, not military.
There is some value in shooting more rounds before you have to scoot. In mobile warfare against enemies with competent counter battery fire that could be very useful - in the kind of war russian and ukraine are having, less so. Lower rate of fire means you can't do MSRI as well, but you can emulate that by coordinating several artillery pieces, which ukraine does very well.
Yeah, in edge cases you might use the extra shell of high vs medium capability. But with the firepower of NATO 155mm, I don't think there are practically any cases where you go "I'd wish I could assign more firepower to that firing mission".
And you know if you bling out your howitzers for more RoF and the other guy just brings more howitzers it's a wash again.
So i firmly believe "cheap and efficient" is the way to go and "what's the better howitzer" is a WoT question, while the real question is "how we can get 155mm platforms of acceptable quality the cheapest?" And the Gucci gun is objectively worse.
Eh, I don't know. There's tons of tradeoffs to be considered there, and we don't know how hard achieving these high rates actually is.
I suspect that in the future, large stocks of (good) ammunition will be more important than the gun itself. Western munitions are already far ahead of anything russian, but they mostly exist in insufficient numbers, even more so in ukraine. Meanwhile russia grinds forward with masses of cold war stock shells.
That one Pole that always shits in these threads has a very distinct style, you know it's him in this thread and not a Korean or some other Pole. It's literally just one dude blind with anger.
Yeah, he posts in every thread slightly related to Germany.
For example now he comes up again with the supposed reliability issues on the Pzh2000, like in his last seething thread here:
go back to PrepHole
>prototype currently in testing is better than a vehicle from the '90s
Korea, I kneel.
>PzH200 in service 1998
>K9 in service 1999
Cry harder homosexual
The K9A2 mentioned in the OP is a prototype moron.
Prototype upgrade of the best selling spg on the market moron
baka these /k/oping krauts. Foams at the mouth over kf51 while screaming "prototype" at eveything else.
Holy cope.
Black person, just stop.
K9 smashed pzh2000 in the exports market. And while k9 upgrades and variants are in the pipeline and about to be bought by bongs, pzh2000 has no fricking plans or any future at all.
Save your seething for the winter, kraut. Youll freeze to death otherwise without sucking putins pipe.
woah I guess the T-72 really is the best tank out there huh
>compares tank bought by thirdies with no other option with spg bought by countries serious about their defense
Logic must not be your strong suit, anon
That has absolutely nothing to do with the K9A2 being a prototype. You got BTFO because you don't know anything about weapons and are just here to bait, take that L and go home with some dignity left instead of vomiting buzzwords to hide your seething.
>thinks the popularity and reliability of base platform has nothing to do with prototype upgrade
Keep sucking that pipe, kraut
Literally nothing to contribute but your coping and seething. Oh thats right, because krauts are getting btfod at every turn by Koreans.
>birthrate of 0.8/f
germany doesn't need to worry about SK, it will be gone in 50 years.
Why are you so mad at Germans?
I mean, if you're a Korean fawning for your arms industry, okay, but why would a Korean be angry at Germans?
Or are you some pathetic person of usual suspect origin actively anticipating shit like this while your country gets nothing done?
Jesus get a grip man.
He's not a asiatic, he's pole (I suspect pole, brits have legitimate tech of their own to flex). And he hates germany because polish government media keeps poles in control by peddling the story of evil germany out to destroy poland like it's 1939.
What are you on about? These krauts literally have nothing to say except autistic screeching about Korea.
I point this out using actual data about the state of the two relevant mic in the modern era. Quote a single kraut on this thread with information.
All these threads go the same way:
1. people point out that Korean stuff is actually decent
2. krauts scream asiatic shill
3. kraut refuses to elaborate
Just read this fricking thread, moron. Seething krauts vs literal governments raving over Korean equipment. Literal no brainer.
Are Korean toilets easier to clean or why do you have such a hard on?
kraut obsession with toilets rivals pajeets.
Dilate.
I'm over the target it seems.
Meds, now.
Mass seething causes mass hysteria, it seems. Krauts see Poles wherever they go.
Go ahead. Spam the same tired shit about "gibs" and that graph to boot. The entire world is sick of kraut autism. Keep sucking putins pipe and keep seething.
>Reeeh germans weak korea strong u mad krauts u mad u mad?
The only one screeching here is you.
This. I quite literally never see a sign of this "kraut seethe" in these threads aside from a voiced frustration about shilling. By comparison nearly every single thread pertaining to korean weapons, including this one, will be filled with responses calling anyone critical or even just ambivalent about said weapons homosexuals, krauts, nips, putin dick suckers and whatever else, without fail. Then the thread archives and a new one pops up, ad infinitum.
So quote a single kraut who uses actual data to back up his so called "claim" that Korean equipment is overrated. You claim an "infinite" number of threads and yet not a single kraut who can say anything of substance. So what do you call it if not seething?
Back to reality, hans.
>kraut screeches about Koreans
>kraut quickly switches to screeching about Poles
>kraut iq unable to handle object permanence
Pace yourself, kraut. You have a lot more screeching ahead of you when Norway, Australia, and the UK also decided that germ shit isnt worth it.
You can speak nonsense as you wish, the truth is plain to see for anyone who reads your posts.
And I hope they do.
Korea is clearly the favorite for the bids in Nor/Aus/UK. And despite krauts seething about Poland 24/7, losing out on that major deal is a big blow to germ mic.
So go ahead. Say anything. Literally anything that is not "asiatic shill" or "pole gibs". All these threads and all these krauts put together cant make a single valid argument in any of them.
There is no valid argument against the position that you hate germans, because that's the only thing of importance you've stated here so far.
As for the rest
>It's not really surprising that Korea with their much greater domestic orders and more willingness to export has an edge.
My words. The german MIC is hamstrung by our own government and no german with a clear mind would deny it. If you think that affords you rights to call germans by every english insult you ever learned that's on you.
Its almost as if Im responding to the army of germs who are being equally as insulting.
So tell us what exactly "affords you rights" to scream shill and toilet cleaner every chance you get?
Go read what your people are writing, hans. Not long before you people start crying for jannies.
Dude, he's baiting in hope of some drama
And it's pretty weak b8 honestly, because the general consensus among the /k/ Krauts i know is that Korea is one of the first places you should think of when going beyond russian/chink shit due to their very good price/performance ratio
Just stop, your thread is low qualityPrepHole banter same as your gay post
This thread literally originared on PrepHole as korean shitflinging per
so that checks out
Yeah, he really seems obsessed.
>5 krauts in thread seething
>1 "Korean Pole" (hans cant seem to decide)
>"obsessed"
Words have meaning, anon
You have been screeching about Germans since it was pointed out that the K9A2 (this thread's topic) is a prototype. Not even once you have replied on topic, just screeching about muh krauts.
Get a grip lol.
I see that they replaced reading comprehension with gender studies in germany. Pity.
I already said that this is a prototype UPGRADE to a proven and popular platform.
Keep up hans. The only thing worse than kraut screeching is repetitive kraut screeching.
What does that change? Of course a prototype or upgrade or whatever planned to be operational in 2027 is going to be better than something operational since the 90s.
Notice how you're the only one insulting people here? Again, get a grip.
So then if germs are half as capable as you people pretend then you should also have a prototype, no? The fact that there is no germ equivalent, even as a prototype proves everything I said.
>you
I'm not German.
And I have no idea if they are developing anything in that field. I know they are making autoloading artillery modules, but I don't know if they released any stats on them or if they are planning to integrate them in a vehicle comparable to the PzH2000 or just on trucks and IFV. I haven't read much on the topic yet.
I just know that the K9A2 is supposed to come out in a few years and that you are screeching in every thread even marginally related to Germany, including the ones you spam. I repeat: get a grip.
1. I dont make these threads
2. I dont usually participate in these kinds of threads
3. Post guns
Im just tired of germans getting uppity EVERY. SINGLE. TIME. Korea gets mentioned. Im not a Korean or a Pole, but like clockwork, the germans crawl out of the woodwork to assume that Im either one. Or both.
Not to mention that Im the only one who provided actual substance about weapons on this entire thread. The rest of it is germans being mad about Koreans and seeing Poles behind their eyelids.
So cry all you want about insults. This board as well as entire governments share my opinion.
>Germany is over
>Pzh is over
>Why aren't people having a civil discussion
You are dumb
>Im just tired of germans getting uppity EVERY. SINGLE. TIME. Korea gets mentioned
Wut?
Not that anon, but did you even read the first posts in this thread?
Someone stated facts (which doesn't even reflect badly on the K9 itself) to which OP respond with /k/oping and frothing bullshit in the style of
>China numbah one
And I don't even have a reason to dislike the K9, because my country uses them and they are solid, just take that gay inferiority complex drama elsewhere
Did you read those posts? OP gets called a gayget and immediately doxxed. And somehow op and Koreans are the ones with a complex? You and the rest of the krauts seriously need to learn to read.
>PrepHole shit stirrer gets immediatley found out and told to go back to PrepHole
Wow, some doxx
Still proves that the krauts are the ones obsessed enough to comb through multiple threads between boards just to scrounge a little something to derail the conversation.
I swear, vatnik tier.
Could also just be a fellow PrepHole-er seeing the original PrepHole thread suggesting posting to /k/ and following it here.
Again, it's a self-admitted shitpost from another board aimed at stirring the pot, that was justifiably called out. Which leads me to assume dishonest intentions behind any thread that's started with intent of praising korean hardware.
Your writing style is recognisable, dude. No kraut conspiracy here.
>No u cannot into reading comprehension
I literally wrote that my country uses the K9 brainlet
Step up your b8 game dude
>2. I dont usually participate in these kinds of threads
Lmao you have been seething about Germany for at least a couple months.
>too many Korean shills!
>Poles everywhere!
>no wait its only one Korean
>but also Poles
Meds, anon, meds.
not him but German firms have the following:
>PzH 2000 which already is as good as this Korean prototype
>Rheinmetall HX3 with 155mm L/60 howitzer autoloaded in a remote turret
>KMW RCH 155 autoloaded remote artillery module which can be fitted on tracked chassis like M270 or Leopard 2, wheeled chassis like Boxer or Piranha, and also regular trucks
Eh. PZH2000 has 8 rounds per minute, so that's a little less. It's also only semi-automatic (propellant is hand loaded). The latest K9 can be assumed to be better.
>>PzH 2000 which already is as good as this Korean prototype
At twice the price and now with reliability issues.
>twice the price
Source? No, comparing mass produced K9 to single reproduced PZH2000 doesn't count.
>reliability issues
Not even the ukrainians claim that (they also just ordered 100 pieces). What they did notice is that the guns cannot be shot at maximum fire rate forever without requiring maintenance eventually.
He’s right though.
K9 is close in performance to pzh while costing half as much. That's the main reason it succeeded. Very few countries are willing to pay 10 million euros per hull for PZH 2000.
>higher rate of fire
9 to 10 rounds per minute as per manufacturer’s specs, this puts it on par with the PzH2000, not above
>No source
but it ain't no volvo
>No combat use
We'll see
Your mother is confirmed to have a higher wiener sucking rate than a polish prostitute.
>polish prostitute
Do they actually get much business?
Off all the Slavic prostitutes I feel like poles are the last ones that jump to mind.
Russian meat tasters obviously being number one globally, while Czech would be the number two locally or something.
>Prototype
is this armata levels of delusion?
or just world of tanks "paper prototype of XYZ is the best tank of WWII" talking
I'm so fricking sick of korea shill bros. Why does he do it
I don’t know but I’m just as annoyed
Obviously its to watch you filthy krauts seethe about it, lol.
Germanophobes are so pathetic, they have to fanboy asiatictech to flex on germans because they don't have any tech of their own.
This is my theory, that its not a koreaboo but a antikraut poster. Although koreans do tend to be the absolute worst combination of arrogance and inferiority complex ever observed, I see no reason for them to be this viruleny germanophobic considering their entire submarine force wouldn't exist if it hadn't been for extensive german support.
It's the same guy who pretends to be a Bong while seething about the Boxer/Puma/Lynx/Leopard or whatever lol.
the worst thing about koreans is the fusion of western and eastern memes.
>Although koreans do tend to be the absolute worst combination of arrogance and inferiority complex ever observed
Seriously, what the frick is their problem?
I know this is PrepHole but seriously, anon. This level of blatant ad hominem to derail the conversation about weapons rivals vatniks.
Stop before embarassing yourselves further.
fyi OP is actually a asiatic
>Poland wants 600 of them
Maybe I'm just easily impressed but it always amazes me just how BIG in size the K9 and PzH2000 are. They are really fricking big vehicles.
I do wonder what's next for german artillery. KMW and Rheinmetall appear to be betting on their artillery modules which can be mounted on various different platforms, rather than an improved dedicated howitzer. KMW has mounted theirs on ASCOD and Boxer, Rheinmetall theirs on an HX3 truck. Tracked Boxer and Lynx are probably suitable as well. Common platforms make sense of course, but there's probably some disadvantage.
Of course the german government would need to get their heads out of their asses to allow the MIC to come into their full potential, which they probably won't. It's not really surprising that Korea with their much greater domestic orders and more willingness to export has an edge.
Why are you frickers so getting caught up about ROF like some fricking autistic WoT spastics? You'd think in a real war anyone gives a frick if they can fire the daily logistics cap of shells over 10 or 15 minutes and then sit on their ass for 23.75 or 23.83 hours the rest of the day?
Any decent NATO howitzer with MRSI capability and some burst fire capability for priority targets is good enough. Krabs are in Ukraine killing vatBlack folk, PzH2000 are in Ukraine killing vatBlack folk, UA has ordered tons of both. Y'all can spast around which is better, but the likely answer is "where can we get the best rebate". Which is a geopolitical and industrial question, not military.
There is some value in shooting more rounds before you have to scoot. In mobile warfare against enemies with competent counter battery fire that could be very useful - in the kind of war russian and ukraine are having, less so. Lower rate of fire means you can't do MSRI as well, but you can emulate that by coordinating several artillery pieces, which ukraine does very well.
Yeah, in edge cases you might use the extra shell of high vs medium capability. But with the firepower of NATO 155mm, I don't think there are practically any cases where you go "I'd wish I could assign more firepower to that firing mission".
And you know if you bling out your howitzers for more RoF and the other guy just brings more howitzers it's a wash again.
So i firmly believe "cheap and efficient" is the way to go and "what's the better howitzer" is a WoT question, while the real question is "how we can get 155mm platforms of acceptable quality the cheapest?" And the Gucci gun is objectively worse.
Eh, I don't know. There's tons of tradeoffs to be considered there, and we don't know how hard achieving these high rates actually is.
I suspect that in the future, large stocks of (good) ammunition will be more important than the gun itself. Western munitions are already far ahead of anything russian, but they mostly exist in insufficient numbers, even more so in ukraine. Meanwhile russia grinds forward with masses of cold war stock shells.
That one Pole that always shits in these threads has a very distinct style, you know it's him in this thread and not a Korean or some other Pole. It's literally just one dude blind with anger.
t: not seething Pole
Yeah, he posts in every thread slightly related to Germany.
For example now he comes up again with the supposed reliability issues on the Pzh2000, like in his last seething thread here:
No idea why he hates Germany so much lol.
>t. not seething Pole
Have you ever visited Błyskawica
ill never understand how shitposting evolved from objectively funny jabs into this embarassing post irony and layers deep falseflagging farce.
Pretending to be moronic has the same outcome and observable traits as being genuinely moronic.