It is now 100% certified and guaranteed OVER for Russia: Finland has been quietly training ukrainian soldiers. Just imagine the tricks they learned.
It is now 100% certified and guaranteed OVER for Russia: Finland has been quietly training ukrainian soldiers. Just imagine the tricks they learned.
>XA-185
quite the name. sounds like a Terminator model number
>XA-185
>Sisu Pasi :DDD
It's actually PAnssari SIsu.
Prehistoric finnic tribes had access to meteoritic iron-nickel before iron age?
That's pretty cool if true. Where can I learn more about this stuff?
I don't know, it's just a funny meem picture. As far as i know, most of the iron we had was dug out of rivers, which makes the ore really pure and somewhat renewable (it takes around 10-20 years for the river sand to filter the iron and "regrow"). And i know that they used the bones of animals to "infuse the iron with the animal's essence" aka, add carbon to turn it into steel.
That's just iron age metallurgy. Also järvimalmi is shit.
Meteoritic iron is awesome because it's essentially pure metal, an iron-nickel alloy that's easily malleable. Don't need advanced furnaces to smelt any kind of iron ore. It could be worked long before iron age by any civilization that happened to have access to this kind of gift from the heavens.
And to my knowledge, only ancient egyptians did this. Nordic bronze age should have been going on when the meteorite struck. Pretty cool if finnic tribes also worked iron before iron age.
The muslims still worship the fragments of Kaali meteorite that fell down on Saarenmaa/Saaremaa, referred to as The Black Stone. When muslims kiss it during the ritual around Kaaba they can hear a whisper "Taara HÄVITA" in their mind.
ESTLAM
Taara HÄVITAAAAAAAAAA
Gimme ur modorcygle :DDD
Sounds like it would positively prehistoric if its just at 185, even the T-400s would be less primitive than that if we're going by conventional "High number equals more advanced" rating system.
Also, addendum. it sounds more like a Tau crisis suit designation number than a Terminator series.
The Vatnik fears the Spurdkranian.
>benis
russia has zero chance against these memes
apparently Ukrainian troops have been globetrotting as of late
last I read they were trained by Italian SF as well, among others
>by Italian SF
Really? I'm not saying they are bad but what kind of experience do they have?
>aim for the benis
Italian mountain troops are pretty well regarded, they did have a fair bit of their SF in Afghan too over the years
>Italian mountain troops are pretty well regarded
Their training will surely be useful in the FLAT STEPPES OF UKRAINE
Eastern Ukraine is kinda mountainous.
>Their training will surely be useful in the FLAT STEPPES OF UKRAINE
>FLAT STEPPES OF UKRAINE
>FLAT STEPPES
???
he's not wrong, the current battlefield is p. flat
if russians were fighting in a mountainous terrain, the war would be over by now and we would all be laughing at the collapse of the russian shithole
Calling it the flat steppes of Ukraine is wrong on so many levels.
Idk anons, it just seems like a dumb as frick statement to make, but I know where I am.
not that anon like i said, and not saying it's a steppe, but east ukraine is flat as frick according to my balkanic standards
You're moronic.
Eastern Ukraine is steppe.
Every fricking map of Eurasian steppe includes eastern Ukraine.
I could just post this
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pontic%E2%80%93Caspian_steppe
or I could look at every video out of Ukraine and know what a steppe is.
It's not like that experience is worthless either.
To be fair that's just the elevation, there's not that much relief.
Everything in green in pic related isn't really a mountain, compare the carpathians.
The whole fricking country is one big wheat field. You think those combines are running up over ridgelines and down into steep canyons? Use your brain anon.
>Being this disingenuous lol
Absolute elevation is not the same thing as topographic relief. The entire country has an elevation difference of about 300m. Compare that to just about any other country in the world.
I just said their mountain warfare troops are highly regarded and its taught in every serious military that might find its way into some kind of light infantry roster which could involve either defending or deploying into rough terrain. Back when I was young, fit and stupid in the military I taught it in Australia of all places
>but its big and flat
Its also got more mountain ranges than western europe and enough snow yearly to cover Switzerland. So it gets taught because it covers a lot of basics in terms of managing freezing conditions for long periods of time, moving covertly, long range engagements with personal weapons, abseiling and most importantly, using terrain so you know a way into trouble and a way out. Add to that throw in qualifications for jungle, desert, airborne and diving. It all adds up and the better qualified your guys are and you are, the more things you can use to approach a problem or give the enemy a huge problem.
Ukraine does have mountain troops and from all accounts they're pretty good as well
But anything that can be passed down to infantry which will let them keep going when its well below freezing would help, likewise you don't want to underestimate an enemy. Maybe Italy gets a bit of the stick once in a while, but you'd be mad to think they're all crazy spagetti because its probably going to bite you. Just like thinking a country will surrender in 3 days
Afghanistan, Iraq, Kosovo, Bosnia
they did
plus it’s still a NATO power and they’ve been put in charge of NATO mission Iraq and Bulgaria battlegroup iirc so their standard must be quite high
>Italian SF
member some us anon here once posted a story from when he trained with them. memeber he said they cucked his unite, were arrogant buttholes but fun.
I remember seeing a vid of a buff guy who takes acceptance tests of various SFs around the world as a challenge
one that particularly stuck with me was an endurance trial for some Italian SF where you have to run 5km in less than 20m
that’s running at 15km/h (aka sprint) for 20m straight
maybe it’s me being out of shape (I don’t think I am) but good lord
Bro that's a 6:30 pace not a sprint
Yes its brisk but no where near as fast CC standards for 17-18 minutes
In RASP the Cadre would take us on runs for 6-10 miles at a 6:30+ pace interspersed with hill sprints and buddy carries on cardiac hill (a good 200m to the top)
Then there's the hell run where they cycle Cadre out making you repeat 1 mile 5x at a 5 minute pace (20kmph)
hmmm
endurance has never been my strongest feat so maybe that's why it looks so hard to me
oddly enough, I hike just fine tho
That's just 3km/12min ie. good coopers test rate. Go jogging for two months daily and you'll achieve it.
>what kind of experience do they have?
Sinking the Guilio Cesare.
Italy actually sends a fair number of troops to UN peacekeeping deployments. Most of Europe only sends a few token people, generally officers, and they stay in the back while the Pakistanis, Nigerians, etc. do the heavy lifting. Broadly, the Americans/west provide the funding to UN security projects, and most of the work is done by the 3rd world. Italy does it a bit differently, they take the deployments far more seriously since it's basically free deployment experience and it's really the only stuff they could do (it's not like they have a dangerous region to patrol, or an imperial province to defend like the Falklands, or nations they maintain security watch over like France-Mali). All they really have is to tag along with us (Afghanistan), general counter-terrorism stuff (which has gone down in Italy since the era of peak post-ww2 eurofascism and commie terror), anti-pirate stuff, and UN security stuff. In AFG they did a lot as well. Italy isn't nearly as outgoing as say the Americans in terms of military adventurism, but they do a LOT of background and low-intensity conflict stuff that goes pretty unnoticed. People don't give them a lot of credit where it's probably deserved just cuz of their WW2 failures, but it is worth noting that in early WW2 the English regarded the Americans as near irredeemable frickups too due to our initial poor performance in Africa. Things change.
best fricking cooks on the world, best pasta in eastern block will be ukrainian
good scuba commandos even during the second world war of all things
See
Everyone likes to shit on Italy cause >muh WW2, but nowadays they have a decent military behind France and England.
Thinking the French or English have a decent military confirmed europoor.
I mean, France and Britain have the only decent militaries in Europe. The polacks have tremendous mass but not West NATO-tier ISR; the krauts have been cucked by their MIC and the spaghetti army is mainly a jobs programme for moronic southies
Their poor reputation from the world wars comes down to poor leadership and at times inferior equipment. Even accounts by their contemporary adversaries are respectful of their infantry's grit (and that's before they would switch sides ;). The precursors to their modern SF are also well regarded.
If it were Italians supplying the armor, though, that would be a different story
how come all those countries that never been to war are teaching ukrainians that been at war for the past 8 years or so?
Quantity of experience does not neccesarily convert to quality of experience. I imagine it's not out of pure racism that Somalia isn't the go-to destination to attain quality military training, despite their perpetual state of war.
Funny you mention Somalia, Mohamed Farrah Aidid was trained at an infantry school in Rome
It's probably well worth learning Ukrainian just so you get to understand the Ukes own take on that.
As far as the anglosphere is concerned, look out for phrases like "Getting Creative" or "Resourcefulness" when it comes to foreign equipment. That's when the Ukes said Frick it and did their own thing with the equipment they've been trained on. You'll see it in articles when they have done remarkably well, with photos of them standing next to equipment that is not supposed to be like that in that situation at all.
>That's when the Ukes said Frick it and did their own thing with the equipment they've been trained on
Something like ISIS-American humvee thunder runs?
And don't forget changing cover after firing
Is there no limit to these Coca Cola flavored Yankee cowboy war crimes? Makes me ashamed to be from beautiful Springfield Oblast t. Harry Washingtovski
Because e.g. Finnish infantry training is lightyears ahead of the Ukrainian counterpart. Their army only existed as a vehicle for corruption prior to 2014 and thereafter they just had to make it up as they went along
On top of all the reasons the other posters mentioned, it's really nice having a secure facility that your enemy can't touch to train your men, thousands of Ukrainians are getting proper training without having to worry about getting bombed out of nowhere just because some moron posted a video on tiktok or whatever.
being at war doesnt necessarily give you high quality training corps thats something long standing militaries have an advantage in which ukraines is not.
Ukrainians are extremely moronic from all the reports of volunteers who have gone there I have read. No discipline, no planning, no communication, drunkeness, troops camp out in the open, dont know how to dig foxholes. Finns are almost 15 points higher average IQ than ukrainians.
And yet Russia is getting their shit kicked in.
Not a goood look.
What an absolute lie. American advisors said they picked up any training exceptionally quick when they were instructing Ukes on HIMARS and M777s.
Further even if what you say was true, that's not the own you think it is because it means Russians are that much fricking dumber.
Not that anon, but what he said mirrors the experiences of a handful of finn volunteers interviewed by finnish newspapers over the course of the war.
I wouldn't call ukrainians stupid, but their country certainly is a corrupt post-soviet shithole and it shows. Keep in mind that in 2014 Ukraine's forces amounted to nothing more than russia-tier pot of corruption. They've been working hard to get their shit together, but it's a long process. On the frontlines you see poor discipline and lacking training. Beyond the front you see corruption throughout the system.
And yes, russkies are far more incompetent. But slavs gonna slav.
>But slavs gonna slav.
The side effects of communism. Anyone half productive was flagged as a Kulak and sent to the gulags, while anyone with half a brain fled at the end of the USSR.
Also fricking Wikipedia cannot hide their bias:
>Kulak was the term which was used to describe peasants who owned over 8 acres (3.2 hectares) of land towards the end of the Russian Empire. In the early Soviet Union, particularly in Soviet Russia and Azerbaijan, kulak became a vague reference to property ownership among peasants who were considered hesitant allies of the Bolshevik Revolution
> all the reports of volunteers who have gone there I have read
May I see them?
You could translate this for example.
https://yle.fi/uutiset/3-12602381
Every Finnish volunteer who's spoken publicly has repeated these same points.
On the front line, Ukrainians still prefer to do things in their own careless way rather than listen to Finns, Roni says.
For example, he says he took away a Ukrainian's mobile phone when he was found at night on guard duty browsing Tiktok with his upper body visible. The light and the mobile phone signal could have attracted Russian fire.
- War is not safe. There is no need to make it any more dangerous by your own actions.
One day, carelessness almost led to the loss of the entire position. A Russian guerrilla patrol had broken through a Ukrainian outpost. The sentry had noticed two men moving in the field, but for one reason or another had failed to sound the alarm.
- I woke up when someone fired a handgun. It was a bad sign because we were supposed to be 900 metres away from the enemy," says Roni.
When he got up from the sleeping podium, he realised that the fire was coming from the wrong side. The enemy had flanked him.
- The guy shouted [in English]: "In the side, in the side!"
The guerrilla patrol was so close to the positions that they reached over and threw hand grenades. A third grenade exploded right near Ron on the other side of the rampart.
- Half a metre shorter throw and it would have gone in the foxhole, he says now.
Based on what he has seen and experienced, he says Ukraine still needs a lot of help from the West to win the war. That means weapons, but above all skilled military trainers.
- The lack of training there is very obvious. But when you raise the issue, the response is sometimes along the lines of 'don't explain, we've been at war for eight years'.
Other foreign fighters interviewed by Yle also describe their Ukrainian comrades-in-arms as fighters who often have courage and will - but also a serious lack of skills.
You only need to watch that moron-tier APC assault on the trench they did in Kherson the other day to see the majority of the Ukrainians are still incredibly dumb slavs.
It's not that they're stupid, it's just that they're stuck with a garbage Soviet legacy and lack proper training for the greater part. Organizational inertia ensures only younger officers and troops trained with NATO-standards are competent enough to actually somewhat match Western trained forces. A great problem is obviously also the older, Soviet-legacy officers who by all rights should be replaced, but are too entrenched in the system.
>You only need to watch that moron-tier APC assault on the trench they did in Kherson the other day to see the majority of the Ukrainians are still incredibly dumb slavs.
Haven't seen it, but there's always the possibility it's a necessity to avoid enemy artillery. Competently done it would obviously direct a weak part of the enemy lines, involve IFVs and different indirect fires from their own side, shifting down in caliber as troops approach close proximity distance, then moving to isolate or target reserves, but you work with what you've got.
Here is the trench assault. pretty extreme incompetence all around. at least 6 men died in the second IFV for literally nothing
>contact on the right
>keep driving
>reach enfilade of the trench
>keep driving
>continue straight into the killzone and dump infantry out into the open
>they all die
>drive away
What did the BMP-3 crew mean by this?
Any chance of you having the supposed GoPro footage from the other BMP's dismounts as well?
Yep, here it is https://files.catbox.moe/gwt1e2.mp4
Supposedly that guy was one of the dismounts from the first IFV that actually managed to get to the trenchline. Dont know if its 100% confirmed though
Thanks. That really does look like the same area. What a fricking shame how the other BMP performed. Absolutely pointless deaths, each one of them.
Dismounting directly in front of a trench, no cover, no attempt by the IFV to shield anybody. Everyone dies. Good job.
Think of the milsurp from both sides after the war is over.
Anybody got this?
Nice trips, and a very enlightening post. Russians are moronic, but a lot of posts I've been seeing amount to "OMG UKRAINIAN SUPER SOLDIERS IN MOSCOW IN 3 DAYS GUARANTEED!!!!!"
To add to these as a conscript trained in the FDF you can constantly see incompetence on both sides in the war. I mostly see it in how poorly concealment is used and how neither side realizes to spread out their forces to avoid artillery or drones or whatever.
If the Ukrainian army were trained to the level of Finnish conscripts they would already be in Moscow.
Remember the news articles about American marines training in Lapland and lowkey mocking FDF for spreading out to cover upon spotting a helicopter?
This really explains how the Ukrainians are doing so shit with such good equipment.
Don't bother, half the "accounts" are screenshots from reddit written by vatniks.
Like the one about the guy shooting at a tank with his AK which takes anyone 5 minutes to find out was written by a guy who was salty he couldn't get into the legion.
Forehose of falsehood,they constantly lie and throw shit at the wall waiting for something to stick.
If this war has convinced me of anything it's that russians are unironically subhuman, before it I just thought they were alcoholics crying about former glory
There's stuff here
. Can use DeepL on https://www.reddit.com/user/Leksa-R/ for example
This stuff is pretty consistently talked about whenever you find sources that have some credibility
>Ukrainians incompetent
>Russians way worse
>Foreign volunteers a mixed batch, adrenaline junkies typically leave after their first bombardment, NATO volunteers generally not prepared for the enemy having air superiority and superiority in indirect fires (well known consequence of Afghanistan & Iraq, no surprise)
>If foreign support continues, Ukraine WILL win the war
Go back homosexual
Seethe.
>get billions of dollars thrown at you by americans
>buy holosun
Man, pretty embarrassing for the Russians if this is what's stonewalling them
I love that, call your enemies moronic slobs, then keep doing it as you loose horribly to them, good idea.
Russians and ukrainians are one people, both equally incompetent. Even the kharkov offensive only succeeded because the tip of the spear was full of foreign fighters
Americans are also moronic and get their asses kicked in ridiculous ways everytime they fight finns in international exercises. Americans think they can drive their vehicles directly into enemy contact and have no idea of communications discipline because they are used to fighting goat herders with no sigint or antitank weapons, let alone having any idea how to fight an enemy with artillery and airpower.
>Russians and Ukrainians are the same
>what about Americans
Ah this cope, well even if they were, they certainly are now.
Aren’t
Fricking autocorrect
>Even the kharkov offensive only succeeded because the tip of the spear was full of foreign fighters
Shouldn't those UK-trained troops be coming home by now?
Not gonna lie that sounds a lot like Territorials who generally do in fact have next to no training. Reports are probably true but may need to pay attention to what fricking unit they're talking about.
Why do that when you can make sweeping generalizations about the entire army for propaganda
Because at the end of the day they are still slavs
modern warfighting is a technical skill and first world western nations have honed that skill to the highest degree, veterancy mostly helps the individual soldier maintain a cool head and apply his skills under fire, if you think about it, it's the perfect combination
I'm going to show you how stupid you are:
>HURR Why are countries giving Ukraine weapons they have no training, giving Ukraine training on those weapons?
You see how stupid this sounds?
They're not telling Ukrainians how to fight Russia, they're telling Ukrainians how to use new weapons to kill Russians.
They are not training Ukr sf, they train regular dudes mobilized for war.
Because they have free officers to train our troops in a safe place. Simple as.
They're training the guys who haven't been at war for the last 8 years. I doubt there's a whole lot western SF can teach the Azov guys or whoever else has been fighting since 2014.
>Finland
>5 million people, whole existence threatened by russians
>a country with high education, high standard of living, very high will to defend one's country etc.
>technological know-how for Nokia, technological know-how to operate and maintain any weapon system on this planet effectively if given the chance
>very fluid, adapting, exploiting defense
You combine all this and you get a high-tech NATO compatible country with a specific goal to defend against russia with very high morale.
Ukraine is going through what Finland has prepared for for decades, except they have 40 million people instead of 5 million. They've only had 8 years though - Finland fought soviets with the nazis but were subverted afterwards, the mindset of disgust for slavs never ended, even if public talk was prohibited.
Think of a former Warsaw Pact country that had the chance to plan and develop more freely to fight their "master" instead of getting occupied. Finns share a lot with Estonia and other baltic countries, Poland etc.
Because they have superior training.
You see how stupid russia is despite also being at war regularly? Ukraine is something like that. They really needed better training.
NATO countries have been fighting in various conflict zones for decades
US has been training Ukrainians for years. They doubled the size of their spec ops.
https://www.businessinsider.com/ukrainian-special-ops-forces-double-in-size-during-us-training-2022-6
USCanUK has been yeah.
>he doesn't know
The west has the best and most recent counter insurgency experiance on earth, that's going to be invaluable once they take Moscow.
this, 100%
italy hasn't had a successful military campaign in over 400 years. finland lost the last war they fought and it was nearly a century ago. I just don't understand the worship of these effeminate little cuck countries
Italy for romans.
The war Finland lost had 75,000 casualties.
Russia suffered 230,000. Thats why you fricking zoomer moron.
Correction: finland suffered 75 000 casualties 23 000 dead, soviets suffered 230 000 dead. Their total casualties were probably close to a million and half the troops were ukrainians not russians.
You need the infrastructure, time and money to train soldiers. You don't have to be good at it to teach the theory. It's like how high school math teachers don't need to be achieved math professors
because its all under cover for american CIA and SF units.
>green berets go to italy
>train ukie nazis
>oh ukranian soldiers are being trained by italians mr putin! we didnt escalate!
>never been to war
>european countries
>countries with history of war against russians
>countries with history of war against all of Europe
>countries that have existed for war, through war and born of war
>mutt trying to understand how the rest of the world works
Sadly we won't ever get any confirmation of this due to Italy being fricking autistic about keeping everything under cover due to the whole year of lead thing. The govt even secretated the whole nonconventional aid to ukraine so that even a parliamental interrogation can't be requested.
I'm Italian and i don't get it. Why, FRICKING WHY? This is the moment Italy can restore some military goodwill by donating out the ass but NOOOO, le left or le right might get pissy because muh weapons of war!!!!
Because Russia has bought out both ends of your political spectrum worse than anywhere else, that's why.
So what you gotta do is find some rope, some lampposts and start mussolini'ing the fricking traitors from both sides.
If things go well with the elections the only non-compromised pro-sanction, pro-nato right candidate might get elected as prime minister. It's the only way out we have right now.
We're donating but secretely. The left supports ukraine but doesn't want to be seen saying "weapons resolve conflicts", the right has to fake beimg pro ukraine and is in reality 90% bought by russia/china, then we have the 5stelle who are so moronic and desperate to stay afloat that they change their stance 2 times every step.
We are a banana republic.
why is there this desperate meme to portray anyone that isn't on board with the idiotic """establishment""" party as being pro russian, regardless of the country
it's fricking annoying, stop
Salvini literally took a deal of 49 million euros from Russia. Meloni and company were saying they would rather have Putin than the EU till 2 months ago. Get your head out of your ass.
>pic rel
The head of the COPASIR already said "as of now, anything can change" it's obvious the report contains that some politicians received money in a way or the other privately and not thru their own party. Also, try to remember which party appointed the current COPASIR head.
the personal failings of a dago politician being stupid enough to associate with russia don't color the dislike for the bad policy of leftoid parties.
I never said the leftist parties were right or better. They are just as moronic but in different areas.
I never expected anything less. Italy is the comic relief of Europe.
t. burger
Happy Juneteenth day, a bit late tho.
Sounds like Britain except war in Europe is the only thing that brings us together and stops us bickering.
>We're donating but secretely.
No, Italy is not doing shit.
Well, i meant to say Italy isn't doing shit.
>source: my ass
>gives a bit of this and a bit of that, but nothing with substance, only vegan stuff
How generous.
pic rel
no mention of Italian parties in the US report as of now
imagine all the gaysex they had
Urgh, consensual gay sex, disgusting. Now nonconsensual male rape, that's what a good russian lives for.
Only Russkies are always thinking about gay sex, consensual or not. It is their national character. Most normal, western minded people are repulsed by such talk.
It is likely for the same reason they still glorify extreme left wing ideologies as gay as communism.
It says Finland, not Sweden
I was wondering why the Finns weren't training the Yukes since they're in such similar positions but there we go I guess
We're not stupid and blab about our military business to the whole world.
>XA-185
We finished... И я нe иpoнизиpyю. This is beast.
t.Pyccкий
none?
>apc crews
probably something like don't shoot vatniks right away. Wait a little bit until they do something hilariously stupid.
Based.
Frick R*ssians.
They even got the rusty chains
What are they needed for?
Traction
To tie on the frozen vatnik corpses for decoration of course.
It’s for traction in mud and snow.
Snow chains to go on the tyres
Snow chains.
Or for chaining up prisoners of war and parading them through Kiev.
snow chains. also it builds character with recruits when they mirror polish them with a tooth brush.
Isn't it camo net?
The camo net is on the roof, the chains hanging on the side are for the tires.
what a beauty
Probably vehicle maintenance and operation given that it is about APC.
At least one of traction chain set has paint on it. Some kind of heresy.
Damaging roads, mud, slush, snow and ice.
>Probably vehicle maintenance and operation given that it is about APC.
If they got finnish training, like 60% went into disguising and hiding the thing
Pretty much. If there's one thing that the FDF always repeats to the conscripts it's camouflage everything, disperse everything, dig, dig, and dig. Honestly good skills for the Ukrainians in a conventional mostly infantry/mechanized infantry war.
Camonets go up every time you stop. Rinse and repeat.
Beats a grenade down the hatch.
Is that Warwick Davis?
Yes. Would you like kick him?
I'm proud of my country and even more so of Ukraine
I am convinced that the Ukrainians were trained to use their Finnish mortars in Finland as well. When they were talking in an interview about the time to set up and leave their position I thought that the emphasis sounded very Finnish in doctrine.
Imagine the US-trained Ukies. Fricking hypersoldiers fueled by burger king
Americans have been training Ukrainians since 2014
Good
Are you sure about that? I thought it was the Brits. I remember Obama sent them some helmets and MREs which was considered a shameful abdication.
Yes, there's been US army units rotating in and out for a long while doing training with the Ukranians
Americans, British, Canadian, Estonian, Polish, and Italians have all been training Ukrainians since 2014
Pasi's are based APC's. Loved them
>t. Estonian Defence Forces
We will occupy them again and their prepotency behavior will be vanished in minutes.
prepotence* within*
>be me
>Pootins strongest soldiers
>be sleepin in trench hole balls freezing
>hear something in the woodline
>spurdo spardö :DDDDDDDDDDD
>Molotov wienertail flies out of nowhere
>Hit Misha in face, he comboost
>scramble back to armored vehicle
>tfw there’s a fricking log jamed in the tracks
>ppl skiing comes out of the wood shooting SMGs
>One of them is actually riding a Lati AT rifle
>See big flash
>get cuts in 2 by 20mm round
>die
>Then my corpse was found in a funny pose
i've seen an unbelievably high number of dead russians in the yamcha pose or peter pose
>Lati AT rifle
My favorite milsurp store had one of those on display before it transitioned into just a hiking store. I wonder what happened to it.
guess it got bought by a guntuber to shoot laptops with or something
>Lati AT Rifle
>take an anti-materiel rifle
>stick it on skis
>nickname it "Norsupyssy"
>use it to kill Russians
I love the Finns.
PERKELE
>skiing when it's still 20℃ outside
checks out
sauna sisu and sibelius
>Tob tibs for Ugrainains :
>1. Eat pervidin
>2. Eat more Pervidin
>3. ????
>4. Ebin :DDDDD
:DDDD
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2014 ylilauta ruined my life and I regret none of it
beautiful imageboard
I miss ylPrepHole like you wouldn't believe. Probably the most fun I've ever had on the internet.
I even earned money off it by making the siikalogo
Oops. Was thinkjng kuvalauta
energy for drench assault :DDDDD
Gotta be a man
How many Finns tried sneaking into Ukraine with the Ukies after training? Nah that's just Sim-Sergei
How do you think historians will rank this war in a list of most embarrassing upset defeats? Top 50? 20? 10?
it's up there with the russo-japanese war
except that russia wasn't surprised or anything, and the Kamchatka was their flagship this time around.
At the moment its not concluded so we can't say its a defeat (yet), but its in the running for at least a top 5 in military disasters where some operations turned into a spastic morass of shit flinging chimp noises, vast losses and irretrievable damage to some units involved
Depends on the aftermath. If Putin manages to keep the shit together back home, it might not be "too bad" at least on russian scale. Unless they decide to do extremely stupid moves like start sending waves of conscripts against ukie artillery, start using WMDs, or other such things.
We TNO IRL now.
It's gonna be up there with Chernobyl on the list of dumbest mistakes that collapsed kreml.
First, no doubt.
So ukrainians are.getting materiel that can cross muddy and snowy terrain?
Gonna be an.interesting winter
Dunno, its going to be very interesting through because anything much over 15t is probably not going to fare well in some areas in some conditions. But you've still got lighter trucks and utility type vehicles which should do ok in terms of not getting stuck + dismounts and do some infantry shit all over the Russians, which they're not good at and don't like or have much of.
Arty is a mixed bag, great if you can still hit stuff and move, but if you're in the habit of blasting vast amounts of ammo and needing a really long supply line, that's going to suck
Air power is still great though, suppress enough AA and you'll have frozen troops and vehicles at their mercy
Maybe we will see their tractors weaponised as a technical!
Those big, broadacre tractors with 4wd and huge-ass tyres will go anywhere
sneaky spurdos
>inb4 the ukies just come back autistic
Finland has achieved so much since they were discovered by Swedish scientists 700 years ago!
They're throwing the kitchen sink and more at Ukraine now.
i just saw a vid of Su-34's doing arial bombing runs over contested areas, so it looks like the bear is unironically trying to wake up.
probably just delaying the inevitable but at least they are reacting.
You think they might try to go for broke and use the level of force expected of them? It might break them but hell it'll probably hurt the AFU very badly.
The RuAF is going to be Gepard food if they keep doing those low and slow bombing runs. Ukraine is getting more and more AAA and it's being used to incredible effect. Remember that every SU-34 or SU-25 lost is likely 1-5% of their entire functional ground attack aircraft fleet at this point.
More critically, that latest frogfoot incident shows that they're resorting to rookie pilots
Oh shit I didn't even think about Russia's historically moronic use of pilots.
>US pilot gets a lot of kills
>is immediately pulled from combat to teach new pilots
>Russian pilot gets a lot of kills
>gets sent to the most dangerous missions to increase probability of success and therefore dies shortly after
This is gonna snowball until they're basically putting conscripts in SU-35s.
Khokhlut, your main problem is that you don't understand how Russians burn down. You have heard enough of Western experts, but the problem with Western experts is that they only know Western battle tactics.
These are two fundamentally different views. The Western recommendation chose to send the most experienced, equipped and trained fighters to the vanguard. Elite. While the rear guard consisted of inexperienced suckers with funny equipment. This is how the West fights. And the collapse of the vanguard for them means the collapse of the army. Because the elite fell, the best equipment and equipment were fricked up. Western register count on one line of defense. Strong and impenetrable, but if it crumbled, it means collapse.
The Russian doctrine implies many lines of defense, including deceptive lines of defense. And the vanguard put the most inexperienced fighters because a fighter who passed through the vanguard and survived becomes an elite veteran who has proven in practice his superiority over everyone and therefore he alone is worth a dozen Western fighters. This is done in order to weed out the wheat from the chaff and go through hardening with fire.
Therefore, the rearguard of our army consists of a real elite with years of combat experience and an innate talent to defend the homeland. The deceptive line of defense, on the other hand, exists to lure the enemy’s artillery to striking distances so that they move their forces and fall under a barrage of hellfire from pre-prepared positions.
Simply put, Khokhlut, your Pendos instructors are fricking you when they say that you have a chance. Because you have not even encountered the REAL Russian army, with its most experienced fighters, who will not leave you even a wet spot.
post vdv
also isn't that basicly the whole thrust of russian doctrine where you clowns pour all you good shit into BTGs and the conscripts get nothing, so when they get slapped or trapped or stalled the whole offencive is fricked.
Seems like a pretty shitty strategy
What? Everyone knows that you put your best troops around glorious dictators bunkerpalace in the middle of the empire. You should really play more video games.
Is this why the elite VDV got sent to be absolutely decimated by khoklut artillery on a field that had absolutely no cover?
Fingers crossed that Ukranians TEMPO TEMPO TEMPO all the way to Moscow so they can wear your sister like a wienersleeve and leave you hanging from a broken lightpole.
>Because you have not even encountered the REAL Russian army, with its most experienced fighters, who will not leave you even a wet spot.
Name the remaining units available to compose your order of battle. That will be hilarious.
>defend the homeland
What?
>we were only pretending to lose!
>haha get trolled!
>*dies from own missile with faulty guidance*
>Simply put, Khokhlut, your Pendos instructors are fricking you when they say that you have a chance. Because you have not even encountered the REAL Russian army, with its most experienced fighters, who will not leave you even a wet spot.
And yet there isn't a single war where they won.
>Claims to be third Rome
>Lesser military doctrine than classical Roman republic
Lmao
ukraine was trained by aliens and supplied by year 3022 NATO sending weapons back in time, really, it's simply unfair.
otherwise they would be crushed by russia (1st army in the world)
I remain convinced that the US wanted Finland in NATO specifically because they wanted to minimize any chance of having to actually fight them someday and take a giant Finnish benis to the ass.
There's no way we'd ever go to war with Finland because if there is one thing the US military fears, it's talking trees.
There's no talk, only darkness.
This is all a Finnish feint
>train Ukies
>ukies defeat russia
>russianc collapses into a chaotic warlord state
>Finnish "peacekeepers" go in with the rest of the international coalition
>"discover" tomb of ghengis khan (they've known where it is since at least the Winter War after a plane carrying one of Himmler's Thule researchers crashed in Karelia), resurrect him and restore the Finnish Kahganate
>pervitin rush to Korea for Hyper War 2
This is based. This
is not.
Nothing to do with Asians. Only traditionally finnic areas can be accepted as parts of Finland. No Russian or other mongoloid peoples. Greater Finland is serious business.
thats a LOT of ethnic cleansing to be done
Only Russians and some other new ethnicities imported by them would need to be removed. Ugric areas need not be cleansed, they can be autonomous.
That is just beautiful.
Where there's a will there's a way. Hypothetically ofc.
It used to be quite serious business as well in some not even politically marginalized circles in Finland.
>It used to be quite serious business
Then why are you posting a meme map made by a bunch of contemporary neonazi larpers?
Surely you aren't moronic enough to believe that's actually from 1984, by NLS no less?
frick off Pelle we will never let the lapps have their land back
Why the frick did it take you until 1949? It's impossible to be that bad at HoI4, the game is piss easy.
the logistics system is pain even with only infantry
>>"discover" tomb of ghengis khan (they've known where it is since at least the Winter War after a plane carrying one of Himmler's Thule researchers crashed in Karelia)
This is bullshit but I believe it.
>Finland has been quietly training ukrainian soldiers. Just imagine the tricks they learned.
>: LOOK_WE_EXIST
ah yes, the main reason the ruski snowBlack folk leaking out of their containment board in the outer internets
You're literally pic related. Oot kirjaimellisesti viereisen kuvan "muh Binland :D:DD" hyypiö.
>Just imagine the tricks they learned.
Nothing other NATO countries don't know. World War 2 was 80 years ago come on.
Most Soviet troops in the Winter War were actually Ukrainian since Stalin was a fan of the old Russian tradition of putting non-russians in the vanguard to die off.
Is this really that surprising? Why do you think the UK brokered a defence deal with them
>Ukies are now immunized against harsh Russian winter.
How will Putin ever recover from this development?
We taught them the saunaklonkku. It both improves morale and functions as torturing method
Anyone else find it weird when someone brings up the Winter War on /k/ they talk about it as if Finland had won?
Not really. A country of 3.5 million where the whole military didn't even have uniforms fought the Soviet giant into a stalemate and an armistice, being the only Molotov-Ribbentrop country to not get divided among the planned lines. It's like a miracle it happened, only then in the Continuation War they repeated the deal and remained the only Axis-affiliated country to not get occupied at the end of the war.
People treat it like a victory, because it's something that by all means should never have happened. How the frick does a country like Finland not get occupied by one as mighty as the Soviet Union? The Finns fought off a vastly superior enemy and retained their independence against all odds. It's not a traditional military victory, but it is one for the Finnish people.
See, case in point. Finland lost but it’s spoken about as if they had won.
The Finns did win.
Not militarily of course, that can not be honestly stated, but as a people, as a nation. The Soviet union collapsed, Finland remained independent, is the most stable nation in the entire world, is one of the happiest ones to be found. Russia meanwhile is moving towards a collapse of even its post-Soviet status.
Pretty much exactly this. Had Finland not fought or collapsed militarily the following would have happened:
>Collaborators set up a new communist government
>Everything is nationalized
>All the intellectuals, people who were marginally wealthier or opposed to the regime get killed
>A brutal campaign of Russification begins and mass deportations of the population across the Soviet Union begins to disintegrate the culture
>The economic structure of former Finland would have gotten the fricked Soviet treatment that countries like Estonia and Poland for example got
Even if a hypothetical conquered Finland would have been able to become independent after the fall of the Soviet Union it would have been just another post-Soviet shithole with massive issues. The winter war is legitimately without exaggeration a tale of the few saving the future of the entire country with their sacrifice.
So….it’s just polite to not point out that they lost? It’s not that you LITERALLY believe that Finland won the war, only that one should tastefully ignoring that fact while praising their accomplishments in a very difficult period? Sure I can get behind that, I only have a problem if that were to entail pretending they won.
I love the morons that just repeat themselves constantly, you Black folk are the stupidest autists
Nothing to do with politeness, everything to do with the war ending in a stalemate, an armistice, a bilateral treaty https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moscow_Peace_Treaty
Soviets failing to achieve their strategic objectives while Finland achieved theirs; the war not actually ending and continuing later on.
I don't recognize the endstates of conflicts as binary. Treating war as a win/loss scenario is just brain-numbingly simplistic, even Wikipedia doesn't do it for the Winter War. Just treating the Winter War as an isolated war and not as a combined conflict with the Continuation War (literally named for continuing the war) is just stupid.
Maybe I've been poisoned by modern military thinking and the continuing spectrum of competition-conflict, but the Winter War, the Interim Peace and the Continuation War should all be seen as a single continuity and as a part of the World War as a whole.
How do you even define the victory conditions for the Winter War?
>How do you even define the victory conditions for the Winter War?
Seems simple to me
Soviet victory: annex Finland
Finnish victory: retain independence
What else?
Watch, he’s going to repeat himself
That's fine. I'm more just using this "argument" to work through my thoughts and ideas on the subject and building them into a cohesive whole.
Oh, lel ok that’s fair.
Isn't a war just a larger scale fight over an objective or goal? If you achieve your goals, then you win. If you fail to achieve your goal, then you lose. I haven't read any war autism books so maybe this is the wrong idea.
If you are fighting for independence and survival and you achieve those goals, you've won. Like a boxer in a ring that is told he will be executed if he loses the match, and then he wins the fight. Doesn't get any prize money and isn't any better off than before, but won and survived. If you're fighting to reach Oulu in 2 days and your invasion ends in catastrophic military failure, you lose the battles, you aren't able to meaningfully advance past the enemy's border let alone integrate any meaningful territory into the USSR besides small amounts of forests and farmlands you'll leave in disrepair anyway, where where the victories? Where are the goals gained?
Finland remained an independent country which is pretty much de facto victory. Regardless of how you want to define victory in the winter war scenario it's not like it really matters when the outcome is as impressive as it was.
Finland lost. Not de facto, but literally lost the war. I’m curious why you believe the opposite of recorded history. Is it a reverse Vietnam effect where one side technically wins but it’s been framed as a defeat culturally?
I mean yeah sure Finland lost the war but their literal only goal was survival which they managed to achieve without losing that much relatively speaking. I'm not denying that Finland lost the war but it's also kind of a meaningless thing to state when Finland managed to achieve all of its wargoals.
>Soviet Union invades a comparatively tiny nation.
>The war is the equivalent of getting your dick caught in a wood chipper.
>Soviets gains a tiny fraction of the territory they wanted.
>Finland retains its independence even after the Continuation War.
Show me on the doll where the Russians won.
The Finns themselves refer to this as "Defensive victory".
And I think this is an area of warfare rarely discussed about. The fact that everyone thought that you would lose 100-0, ...but you DIDN'T! You kept what you had (at least, for the most parts) and you drove away tha attacker. That IS a victory. You might not have vanquished the enemy, but you did not cease to exist either.
"Defensive victory" means "I lived, b***h!"
>you drove away tha attacker
Nope
We literally did Black person. Every other country bordering Russia was subjucated.
Post soviet flag over Helsinki.
You can't, because they lost.
Where are the millions of ruskie commies in Finland?
Where are the Soviet army garrisons in Finland?
Where are the russian schools, russian diet, russian culture in Finland?
There are none?? What a surprise
Not becoming subjugated under russian rule is a victory no matter what the cost
Even if they didn't win this is really fricking embarassing. Can you imagine if the Viet-Cong killed five Americans for every soldier they lost?
Russians have no shame, they’d all gladly die in the most embarrassing ways possible if it meant maybe winning
>61 506 sick or frostbitten
WTF rusbros... winter was supposed to be our friend and enemy of europe...
Won the Winter war.
Lost/Draw the Continuation war.
Most Finns right after the winter war would have agreed with you. "We lost land therefore we lost the war." But this thinking changed during late 50s and early 60s when they watched what was going on in Eastern block in general and Baltic states in particular. "We remained independent with least possible losses." This is why most Finns now days claim that wars were won.
Everyone has been training Ukrainian soldiers. Finland training a few more isn't going to swing anything.
Those babies are pretty good swimmers. No need for pontoon crossings over the rivers.
There was a huge accident in 1991 when a BTR-60 we used at the time just suddenly sunk for no reason. Killed six conscripts inside and was buried 32 meters deep, encased in 1,5m of mud.
I would never dare to swim with old Soviet mech and judging by river crossings at Ukraine even Russians don't do it.
>no reason
It was unbalanced and overloaded because of an extra supply rack welded on the roof near the back.
There's a reason no other country randomly adds extra mass to a soviet mil surplus vehicles if they're ever supposed to leave dry ground.
>No reason
insha'Allah tier mindset
I thought the shit we did was just regular stuff. Conacription army has to cater to a pretty low common denominator over a professional one.
t: a year in finnish jaeger battalion
professional armies have lower average IQ
This is what the West had been afraid of for 70 years. Shameful display.
no, this is what left of the fume. in the 80s, USSR would have been a formidable forces.
>The armor upgrade was initiated after the realisation that the previous armor was inadequate, even modern armor-piercing 7.62 mm ammunition could pierce the older XA-180 and XA-185 models in certain areas.
>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Patria_Pasi#Versions
The 200 model is the only viable one, the rest are so unarmored even 7.62 can pen the hull. The 185 is a death trap.
After this is all over and Russia fricks off and has to make concessions not seen since the treaty of Versailles or whatever, will the Ukrainians have to give the trillions of dollars worth of Aid and Arms back to the respective donating nations?
they gave up the nukes once and look where that got them. if I was Zelly boi Id be goddamned if im giving any HIMARS back if Russia exists in any fashion besides a parking lot. Id probably be fast tracking my Nuclear program above rebuilding my cities. (after all you can always pull a " post-*ANY WAR EVER* "and just have the Americans foot the bill for infrastructure while you do military shit)
Will the Ukranians become the Modern day "Idealic liberal Russia" that ironically the actual Ruskies were too PTSD ridden from living in a nightmare for the past 200+ years.? by this i mean a resource rich, Industrialized, main trading partner of the region/ with most of Western europe? itd be pretty cool if they themselves became what russia was supposed to be.
>equipment that is in usable condition and modern
maybe but I'm a bit doubtful
>soviet trash donated to Ukraine instead of the scrapyard
they can keep it lol
Tricks? TRICKS? Russia army turns tricks all day every day, russia invented turning tricks. Can't threaten with "tricks" when motherland was built by turning tricks in trench and barracks. Russia army will clench buttocks and the filthy globohomosexual wiener will trapped forever.
I feel like I want nukes.
also NOKIA
I just don't see the US allowing Russia to fail. btfb and weakened yes but that's all.
This past March I believed Russia may have miscalculated that could possibly result in the end of Russia. The current situaton is astounding - Russia can't or won't even hold fortified defensive positions.
Despite America arming Ukraine, it's likely to snatch victory from the jaws of defeat in order to save Russia.
Why would the USA care if Russia fails or not?
It'd be nice if that nuclear material didnt disperse into the wider world
obviously Finland won the winter war, USSR no longer exists
>Fins training Ukrainians just in time for winter
It's all coming together.
People arguing over if Finland won or lost the winter war/continuation war, should remember it depends on perspective. Russia/Soviet Union didn't become even close to getting their objectives and as always they move the goal post to change the perspective to fit their narrative.
Russia was closer to absolute victory during the end of the winter war, than during the end of the continuation war. Finland won the deciding battles of continuation war and stopped Russia, made consessions, which had deep cuts to Finnish society (losing of Karelia, genocide of Ingrians and Vepsians).
This "victory" to Russia came to it with high cost, if you count Russian lives as valuable. Russia didn't attack during the end of the Continuation war, because Finland exactly spent and seeing an opportunity to end one front without the extremely high cost that could have taken to take Finland ,the easily defendable parts of Finland didn't even have fighting on them yet, not even counting the Salpa line. The hard part was just ahead for Russia and they were already pretty spent (Churchill wanted to attack Russia after the battle of Berlin while Russia was still weak and democratic Finland could have easily be turned into a ally and a staging ground.
Because the situation is so complicated it's usually referred as a "defensive victory" in Finland.
Russians are highly superstitious people and tend to see Finland as some sort of Forest fortress. They knew winter war and continuation war took substantian cost to them. On some level they fear a new war with Finland, not just because it would be costly, but it could also be humiliating. Russia does have elements of the asian "face" culture after all.
If people say Finland lost the war, they should also say that the USA won Vietnam, Afganistan and the Iraq wars, but these people care more about their bottom line the actual truth.
Also as a Finn, I hate to see Finns be too confident, just because we're pretty militarised society, it doesn't mean we should be overtly confident. Be littling Ukraine for "not being ready" or be "unprepared" isn't fair, we don't know what is actually happening in Ukraine. They hadva lot of problems with their military in 2014 thats for sure, but even in 8 years miracles can and has happened. I'm ashamed of these people who act like they're military expert just because they've served. Most men in Finland has served and this boost their confidance, when they see how little todays unmilitarized Europeans know about this shit. Control yourselves, your embarrasing us.
>we're pretty militarised society
Win / loss comes down to the political goals of both sides, war is just an extention of politcs.
Finland lost because Russia achieved their goals, it just took way more resources than expected making it a pyrrhic victory. The US also lost Vietnam becuase their goal was to stop it becoming communist which it did.
>achieved their goals
Such as?
>Finland lost because Russia achieved their goals
... They literally achieved none of them.
Redditland
I am from Finland and I love my country and I hate Russia.
Well don't we all.