It is now 100% certified and guaranteed OVER for Russia: Finland has been quietly training ukrainian soldiers.

It is now 100% certified and guaranteed OVER for Russia: Finland has been quietly training ukrainian soldiers. Just imagine the tricks they learned.

  1. 1 week ago
    Anonymous

    >XA-185
    quite the name. sounds like a Terminator model number

    • 1 week ago
      Anonymous

      >XA-185
      >Sisu Pasi :DDD

      • 1 week ago
        Anonymous

        It's actually PAnssari SIsu.

        • 1 week ago
          Anonymous

          Prehistoric finnic tribes had access to meteoritic iron-nickel before iron age?

          That's pretty cool if true. Where can I learn more about this stuff?

          • 1 week ago
            Anonymous

            I don't know, it's just a funny meem picture. As far as i know, most of the iron we had was dug out of rivers, which makes the ore really pure and somewhat renewable (it takes around 10-20 years for the river sand to filter the iron and "regrow"). And i know that they used the bones of animals to "infuse the iron with the animal's essence" aka, add carbon to turn it into steel.

            • 1 week ago
              Anonymous

              That's just iron age metallurgy. Also järvimalmi is shit.

              Meteoritic iron is awesome because it's essentially pure metal, an iron-nickel alloy that's easily malleable. Don't need advanced furnaces to smelt any kind of iron ore. It could be worked long before iron age by any civilization that happened to have access to this kind of gift from the heavens.
              And to my knowledge, only ancient egyptians did this. Nordic bronze age should have been going on when the meteorite struck. Pretty cool if finnic tribes also worked iron before iron age.

          • 1 week ago
            Anonymous

            The muslims still worship the fragments of Kaali meteorite that fell down on Saarenmaa/Saaremaa, referred to as The Black Stone. When muslims kiss it during the ritual around Kaaba they can hear a whisper "Taara HÄVITA" in their mind.

            • 1 week ago
              Anonymous

              ESTLAM
              Taara HÄVITAAAAAAAAAA

        • 1 week ago
          Anonymous
    • 1 week ago
      Anonymous

      Gimme ur modorcygle :DDD

    • 1 week ago
      Anonymous

      Sounds like it would positively prehistoric if its just at 185, even the T-400s would be less primitive than that if we're going by conventional "High number equals more advanced" rating system.

    • 1 week ago
      Anonymous

      Sounds like it would positively prehistoric if its just at 185, even the T-400s would be less primitive than that if we're going by conventional "High number equals more advanced" rating system.

      Also, addendum. it sounds more like a Tau crisis suit designation number than a Terminator series.

  2. 1 week ago
    Anonymous

    The Vatnik fears the Spurdkranian.

    • 1 week ago
      Anonymous

      https://i.imgur.com/MD9vga8.jpg

      >aim for the benis

      Italian mountain troops are pretty well regarded, they did have a fair bit of their SF in Afghan too over the years

      >benis
      russia has zero chance against these memes

  3. 1 week ago
    Anonymous

    apparently Ukrainian troops have been globetrotting as of late
    last I read they were trained by Italian SF as well, among others

    • 1 week ago
      Anonymous

      >by Italian SF

      Really? I'm not saying they are bad but what kind of experience do they have?

      • 1 week ago
        Anonymous

        >aim for the benis

        Italian mountain troops are pretty well regarded, they did have a fair bit of their SF in Afghan too over the years

        • 1 week ago
          Anonymous

          >Italian mountain troops are pretty well regarded

          Their training will surely be useful in the FLAT STEPPES OF UKRAINE

          • 1 week ago
            Anonymous

            Eastern Ukraine is kinda mountainous.

          • 1 week ago
            Anonymous

            >Their training will surely be useful in the FLAT STEPPES OF UKRAINE
            >FLAT STEPPES OF UKRAINE
            >FLAT STEPPES
            ???

            • 1 week ago
              Anonymous

              he's not wrong, the current battlefield is p. flat
              if russians were fighting in a mountainous terrain, the war would be over by now and we would all be laughing at the collapse of the russian shithole

              • 1 week ago
                Anonymous

                https://i.imgur.com/Kaq1t61.jpg

                To be fair that's just the elevation, there's not that much relief.
                Everything in green in pic related isn't really a mountain, compare the carpathians.

                Calling it the flat steppes of Ukraine is wrong on so many levels.
                Idk anons, it just seems like a dumb as fuck statement to make, but I know where I am.

              • 1 week ago
                Anonymous

                not that anon like i said, and not saying it's a steppe, but east ukraine is flat as fuck according to my balkanic standards

              • 1 week ago
                Anonymous

                You're retarded.
                Eastern Ukraine is steppe.
                Every fucking map of Eurasian steppe includes eastern Ukraine.
                I could just post this
                https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pontic%E2%80%93Caspian_steppe
                or I could look at every video out of Ukraine and know what a steppe is.

              • 1 week ago
                Anonymous

                It's not like that experience is worthless either.

            • 1 week ago
              Anonymous

              To be fair that's just the elevation, there's not that much relief.
              Everything in green in pic related isn't really a mountain, compare the carpathians.

            • 1 week ago
              Anonymous

              The whole fucking country is one big wheat field. You think those combines are running up over ridgelines and down into steep canyons? Use your brain anon.

            • 1 week ago
              Anonymous

              >Being this disingenuous lol

              Absolute elevation is not the same thing as topographic relief. The entire country has an elevation difference of about 300m. Compare that to just about any other country in the world.

          • 1 week ago
            Anonymous

            I just said their mountain warfare troops are highly regarded and its taught in every serious military that might find its way into some kind of light infantry roster which could involve either defending or deploying into rough terrain. Back when I was young, fit and stupid in the military I taught it in Australia of all places
            >but its big and flat
            Its also got more mountain ranges than western europe and enough snow yearly to cover Switzerland. So it gets taught because it covers a lot of basics in terms of managing freezing conditions for long periods of time, moving covertly, long range engagements with personal weapons, abseiling and most importantly, using terrain so you know a way into trouble and a way out. Add to that throw in qualifications for jungle, desert, airborne and diving. It all adds up and the better qualified your guys are and you are, the more things you can use to approach a problem or give the enemy a huge problem.

            Ukraine does have mountain troops and from all accounts they're pretty good as well
            But anything that can be passed down to infantry which will let them keep going when its well below freezing would help, likewise you don't want to underestimate an enemy. Maybe Italy gets a bit of the stick once in a while, but you'd be mad to think they're all crazy spagetti because its probably going to bite you. Just like thinking a country will surrender in 3 days

      • 1 week ago
        Anonymous

        Afghanistan, Iraq, Kosovo, Bosnia

        how come all those countries that never been to war are teaching ukrainians that been at war for the past 8 years or so?

        they did
        plus it’s still a NATO power and they’ve been put in charge of NATO mission Iraq and Bulgaria battlegroup iirc so their standard must be quite high

      • 1 week ago
        Anonymous

        >Italian SF
        member some us anon here once posted a story from when he trained with them. memeber he said they cucked his unite, were arrogant assholes but fun.

        • 1 week ago
          Anonymous

          I remember seeing a vid of a buff guy who takes acceptance tests of various SFs around the world as a challenge
          one that particularly stuck with me was an endurance trial for some Italian SF where you have to run 5km in less than 20m
          that’s running at 15km/h (aka sprint) for 20m straight
          maybe it’s me being out of shape (I don’t think I am) but good lord

          • 1 week ago
            Anonymous

            Bro that's a 6:30 pace not a sprint
            Yes its brisk but no where near as fast CC standards for 17-18 minutes

            In RASP the Cadre would take us on runs for 6-10 miles at a 6:30+ pace interspersed with hill sprints and buddy carries on cardiac hill (a good 200m to the top)

            Then there's the hell run where they cycle Cadre out making you repeat 1 mile 5x at a 5 minute pace (20kmph)

            • 1 week ago
              Anonymous

              That's just 3km/12min ie. good coopers test rate. Go jogging for two months daily and you'll achieve it.

              hmmm
              endurance has never been my strongest feat so maybe that's why it looks so hard to me
              oddly enough, I hike just fine tho

          • 1 week ago
            Anonymous

            That's just 3km/12min ie. good coopers test rate. Go jogging for two months daily and you'll achieve it.

      • 1 week ago
        Anonymous

        >what kind of experience do they have?
        Sinking the Guilio Cesare.

      • 1 week ago
        Anonymous

        Italy actually sends a fair number of troops to UN peacekeeping deployments. Most of Europe only sends a few token people, generally officers, and they stay in the back while the Pakistanis, Nigerians, etc. do the heavy lifting. Broadly, the Americans/west provide the funding to UN security projects, and most of the work is done by the 3rd world. Italy does it a bit differently, they take the deployments far more seriously since it's basically free deployment experience and it's really the only stuff they could do (it's not like they have a dangerous region to patrol, or an imperial province to defend like the Falklands, or nations they maintain security watch over like France-Mali). All they really have is to tag along with us (Afghanistan), general counter-terrorism stuff (which has gone down in Italy since the era of peak post-ww2 eurofascism and commie terror), anti-pirate stuff, and UN security stuff. In AFG they did a lot as well. Italy isn't nearly as outgoing as say the Americans in terms of military adventurism, but they do a LOT of background and low-intensity conflict stuff that goes pretty unnoticed. People don't give them a lot of credit where it's probably deserved just cuz of their WW2 failures, but it is worth noting that in early WW2 the English regarded the Americans as near irredeemable fuckups too due to our initial poor performance in Africa. Things change.

      • 1 week ago
        Anonymous

        best fucking cooks on the world, best pasta in eastern block will be ukrainian

      • 1 week ago
        Anonymous

        good scuba commandos even during the second world war of all things

      • 1 week ago
        Anonymous

        See

        Italy actually sends a fair number of troops to UN peacekeeping deployments. Most of Europe only sends a few token people, generally officers, and they stay in the back while the Pakistanis, Nigerians, etc. do the heavy lifting. Broadly, the Americans/west provide the funding to UN security projects, and most of the work is done by the 3rd world. Italy does it a bit differently, they take the deployments far more seriously since it's basically free deployment experience and it's really the only stuff they could do (it's not like they have a dangerous region to patrol, or an imperial province to defend like the Falklands, or nations they maintain security watch over like France-Mali). All they really have is to tag along with us (Afghanistan), general counter-terrorism stuff (which has gone down in Italy since the era of peak post-ww2 eurofascism and commie terror), anti-pirate stuff, and UN security stuff. In AFG they did a lot as well. Italy isn't nearly as outgoing as say the Americans in terms of military adventurism, but they do a LOT of background and low-intensity conflict stuff that goes pretty unnoticed. People don't give them a lot of credit where it's probably deserved just cuz of their WW2 failures, but it is worth noting that in early WW2 the English regarded the Americans as near irredeemable fuckups too due to our initial poor performance in Africa. Things change.

        Everyone likes to shit on Italy cause >muh WW2, but nowadays they have a decent military behind France and England.

        • 1 week ago
          Anonymous

          Thinking the French or English have a decent military confirmed europoor.

        • 1 week ago
          Anonymous

          I mean, France and Britain have the only decent militaries in Europe. The polacks have tremendous mass but not West NATO-tier ISR; the krauts have been cucked by their MIC and the spaghetti army is mainly a jobs programme for retarded southies

        • 1 week ago
          Anonymous

          Their poor reputation from the world wars comes down to poor leadership and at times inferior equipment. Even accounts by their contemporary adversaries are respectful of their infantry's grit (and that's before they would switch sides ;). The precursors to their modern SF are also well regarded.

          • 1 week ago
            Anonymous

            If it were Italians supplying the armor, though, that would be a different story

    • 1 week ago
      Anonymous

      how come all those countries that never been to war are teaching ukrainians that been at war for the past 8 years or so?

      • 1 week ago
        Anonymous

        Quantity of experience does not neccesarily convert to quality of experience. I imagine it's not out of pure racism that Somalia isn't the go-to destination to attain quality military training, despite their perpetual state of war.

        • 1 week ago
          Anonymous

          Funny you mention Somalia, Mohamed Farrah Aidid was trained at an infantry school in Rome

      • 1 week ago
        Anonymous

        It's probably well worth learning Ukrainian just so you get to understand the Ukes own take on that.

        As far as the anglosphere is concerned, look out for phrases like "Getting Creative" or "Resourcefulness" when it comes to foreign equipment. That's when the Ukes said Fuck it and did their own thing with the equipment they've been trained on. You'll see it in articles when they have done remarkably well, with photos of them standing next to equipment that is not supposed to be like that in that situation at all.

        • 1 week ago
          Anonymous

          >That's when the Ukes said Fuck it and did their own thing with the equipment they've been trained on
          Something like ISIS-American humvee thunder runs?

          • 1 week ago
            Anonymous

            And don't forget changing cover after firing

            • 1 week ago
              Anonymous

              Is there no limit to these Coca Cola flavored Yankee cowboy war crimes? Makes me ashamed to be from beautiful Springfield Oblast t. Harry Washingtovski

      • 1 week ago
        Anonymous

        Because e.g. Finnish infantry training is lightyears ahead of the Ukrainian counterpart. Their army only existed as a vehicle for corruption prior to 2014 and thereafter they just had to make it up as they went along

      • 1 week ago
        Anonymous

        On top of all the reasons the other posters mentioned, it's really nice having a secure facility that your enemy can't touch to train your men, thousands of Ukrainians are getting proper training without having to worry about getting bombed out of nowhere just because some retard posted a video on tiktok or whatever.

      • 1 week ago
        Anonymous

        being at war doesnt necessarily give you high quality training corps thats something long standing militaries have an advantage in which ukraines is not.

      • 1 week ago
        Anonymous

        Ukrainians are extremely retarded from all the reports of volunteers who have gone there I have read. No discipline, no planning, no communication, drunkeness, troops camp out in the open, dont know how to dig foxholes. Finns are almost 15 points higher average IQ than ukrainians.

        • 1 week ago
          Anonymous
        • 1 week ago
          Anonymous

          And yet Russia is getting their shit kicked in.
          Not a goood look.

        • 1 week ago
          Anonymous

          What an absolute lie. American advisors said they picked up any training exceptionally quick when they were instructing Ukes on HIMARS and M777s.

          Further even if what you say was true, that's not the own you think it is because it means Russians are that much fucking dumber.

          • 1 week ago
            Anonymous

            > all the reports of volunteers who have gone there I have read
            May I see them?

            Not that anon, but what he said mirrors the experiences of a handful of finn volunteers interviewed by finnish newspapers over the course of the war.

            I wouldn't call ukrainians stupid, but their country certainly is a corrupt post-soviet shithole and it shows. Keep in mind that in 2014 Ukraine's forces amounted to nothing more than russia-tier pot of corruption. They've been working hard to get their shit together, but it's a long process. On the frontlines you see poor discipline and lacking training. Beyond the front you see corruption throughout the system.

            And yes, russkies are far more incompetent. But slavs gonna slav.

            • 1 week ago
              Anonymous

              >But slavs gonna slav.
              The side effects of communism. Anyone half productive was flagged as a Kulak and sent to the gulags, while anyone with half a brain fled at the end of the USSR.

              Also fucking Wikipedia cannot hide their bias:
              >Kulak was the term which was used to describe peasants who owned over 8 acres (3.2 hectares) of land towards the end of the Russian Empire. In the early Soviet Union, particularly in Soviet Russia and Azerbaijan, kulak became a vague reference to property ownership among peasants who were considered hesitant allies of the Bolshevik Revolution

        • 1 week ago
          Anonymous

          > all the reports of volunteers who have gone there I have read
          May I see them?

          • 1 week ago
            Anonymous

            You could translate this for example.
            https://yle.fi/uutiset/3-12602381

            • 1 week ago
              Anonymous

              Every Finnish volunteer who's spoken publicly has repeated these same points.

              On the front line, Ukrainians still prefer to do things in their own careless way rather than listen to Finns, Roni says.

              For example, he says he took away a Ukrainian's mobile phone when he was found at night on guard duty browsing Tiktok with his upper body visible. The light and the mobile phone signal could have attracted Russian fire.

              - War is not safe. There is no need to make it any more dangerous by your own actions.

              One day, carelessness almost led to the loss of the entire position. A Russian guerrilla patrol had broken through a Ukrainian outpost. The sentry had noticed two men moving in the field, but for one reason or another had failed to sound the alarm.

              - I woke up when someone fired a handgun. It was a bad sign because we were supposed to be 900 metres away from the enemy," says Roni.

              When he got up from the sleeping podium, he realised that the fire was coming from the wrong side. The enemy had flanked him.

              - The guy shouted [in English]: "In the side, in the side!"

              The guerrilla patrol was so close to the positions that they reached over and threw hand grenades. A third grenade exploded right near Ron on the other side of the rampart.

              - Half a metre shorter throw and it would have gone in the foxhole, he says now.

              Based on what he has seen and experienced, he says Ukraine still needs a lot of help from the West to win the war. That means weapons, but above all skilled military trainers.

              - The lack of training there is very obvious. But when you raise the issue, the response is sometimes along the lines of 'don't explain, we've been at war for eight years'.

              Other foreign fighters interviewed by Yle also describe their Ukrainian comrades-in-arms as fighters who often have courage and will - but also a serious lack of skills.

              • 1 week ago
                Anonymous

                You only need to watch that retard-tier APC assault on the trench they did in Kherson the other day to see the majority of the Ukrainians are still incredibly dumb slavs.

              • 1 week ago
                Anonymous

                It's not that they're stupid, it's just that they're stuck with a garbage Soviet legacy and lack proper training for the greater part. Organizational inertia ensures only younger officers and troops trained with NATO-standards are competent enough to actually somewhat match Western trained forces. A great problem is obviously also the older, Soviet-legacy officers who by all rights should be replaced, but are too entrenched in the system.
                >You only need to watch that retard-tier APC assault on the trench they did in Kherson the other day to see the majority of the Ukrainians are still incredibly dumb slavs.
                Haven't seen it, but there's always the possibility it's a necessity to avoid enemy artillery. Competently done it would obviously direct a weak part of the enemy lines, involve IFVs and different indirect fires from their own side, shifting down in caliber as troops approach close proximity distance, then moving to isolate or target reserves, but you work with what you've got.

              • 1 week ago
                Anonymous

                Anybody got this?

                Here is the trench assault. pretty extreme incompetence all around. at least 6 men died in the second IFV for literally nothing

              • 1 week ago
                Anonymous

                >contact on the right
                >keep driving
                >reach enfilade of the trench
                >keep driving
                >continue straight into the killzone and dump infantry out into the open
                >they all die
                >drive away
                What did the BMP-3 crew mean by this?

              • 1 week ago
                Anonymous

                Any chance of you having the supposed GoPro footage from the other BMP's dismounts as well?

              • 1 week ago
                Anonymous

                Yep, here it is https://files.catbox.moe/gwt1e2.mp4

                Supposedly that guy was one of the dismounts from the first IFV that actually managed to get to the trenchline. Dont know if its 100% confirmed though

              • 1 week ago
                Anonymous

                Thanks. That really does look like the same area. What a fucking shame how the other BMP performed. Absolutely pointless deaths, each one of them.

              • 1 week ago
                Anonymous

                Dismounting directly in front of a trench, no cover, no attempt by the IFV to shield anybody. Everyone dies. Good job.

              • 1 week ago
                Anonymous

                Think of the milsurp from both sides after the war is over.

              • 1 week ago
                Anonymous

                Anybody got this?

              • 1 week ago
                Anonymous

                Nice trips, and a very enlightening post. Russians are retarded, but a lot of posts I've been seeing amount to "OMG UKRAINIAN SUPER SOLDIERS IN MOSCOW IN 3 DAYS GUARANTEED!!!!!"

              • 1 week ago
                Anonymous

                You could translate this for example.
                https://yle.fi/uutiset/3-12602381

                To add to these as a conscript trained in the FDF you can constantly see incompetence on both sides in the war. I mostly see it in how poorly concealment is used and how neither side realizes to spread out their forces to avoid artillery or drones or whatever.

                If the Ukrainian army were trained to the level of Finnish conscripts they would already be in Moscow.

              • 1 week ago
                Anonymous

                Remember the news articles about American marines training in Lapland and lowkey mocking FDF for spreading out to cover upon spotting a helicopter?

              • 1 week ago
                Anonymous

                This really explains how the Ukrainians are doing so shit with such good equipment.

          • 1 week ago
            Anonymous

            Don't bother, half the "accounts" are screenshots from reddit written by vatniks.
            Like the one about the guy shooting at a tank with his AK which takes anyone 5 minutes to find out was written by a guy who was salty he couldn't get into the legion.
            Forehose of falsehood,they constantly lie and throw shit at the wall waiting for something to stick.
            If this war has convinced me of anything it's that russians are unironically subhuman, before it I just thought they were alcoholics crying about former glory

            • 1 week ago
              Anonymous

              There's stuff here

              You could translate this for example.
              https://yle.fi/uutiset/3-12602381

              . Can use DeepL on https://www.reddit.com/user/Leksa-R/ for example
              This stuff is pretty consistently talked about whenever you find sources that have some credibility
              >Ukrainians incompetent
              >Russians way worse
              >Foreign volunteers a mixed batch, adrenaline junkies typically leave after their first bombardment, NATO volunteers generally not prepared for the enemy having air superiority and superiority in indirect fires (well known consequence of Afghanistan & Iraq, no surprise)
              >If foreign support continues, Ukraine WILL win the war

              • 1 week ago
                Anonymous

                Go back gay

              • 1 week ago
                Anonymous

                Seethe.

              • 1 week ago
                Anonymous

                >get billions of dollars thrown at you by americans
                >buy holosun

        • 1 week ago
          Anonymous

          Man, pretty embarrassing for the Russians if this is what's stonewalling them

          • 1 week ago
            Anonymous

            I love that, call your enemies retarded slobs, then keep doing it as you loose horribly to them, good idea.

          • 1 week ago
            Anonymous

            Russians and ukrainians are one people, both equally incompetent. Even the kharkov offensive only succeeded because the tip of the spear was full of foreign fighters

            What an absolute lie. American advisors said they picked up any training exceptionally quick when they were instructing Ukes on HIMARS and M777s.

            Further even if what you say was true, that's not the own you think it is because it means Russians are that much fucking dumber.

            Americans are also retarded and get their asses kicked in ridiculous ways everytime they fight finns in international exercises. Americans think they can drive their vehicles directly into enemy contact and have no idea of communications discipline because they are used to fighting goat herders with no sigint or antitank weapons, let alone having any idea how to fight an enemy with artillery and airpower.

            • 1 week ago
              Anonymous

              >Russians and Ukrainians are the same
              >what about Americans
              Ah this cope, well even if they were, they certainly are now.

              • 1 week ago
                Anonymous

                Aren’t
                Fucking autocorrect

            • 1 week ago
              Anonymous

              >Even the kharkov offensive only succeeded because the tip of the spear was full of foreign fighters
              Shouldn't those UK-trained troops be coming home by now?

          • 1 week ago
            Anonymous

            Ukrainians are extremely retarded from all the reports of volunteers who have gone there I have read. No discipline, no planning, no communication, drunkeness, troops camp out in the open, dont know how to dig foxholes. Finns are almost 15 points higher average IQ than ukrainians.

            What an absolute lie. American advisors said they picked up any training exceptionally quick when they were instructing Ukes on HIMARS and M777s.

            Further even if what you say was true, that's not the own you think it is because it means Russians are that much fucking dumber.

            Not gonna lie that sounds a lot like Territorials who generally do in fact have next to no training. Reports are probably true but may need to pay attention to what fucking unit they're talking about.

            • 1 week ago
              Anonymous

              Why do that when you can make sweeping generalizations about the entire army for propaganda

      • 1 week ago
        Anonymous

        Because at the end of the day they are still slavs

      • 1 week ago
        Anonymous

        modern warfighting is a technical skill and first world western nations have honed that skill to the highest degree, veterancy mostly helps the individual soldier maintain a cool head and apply his skills under fire, if you think about it, it's the perfect combination

      • 1 week ago
        Anonymous

        I'm going to show you how stupid you are:
        >HURR Why are countries giving Ukraine weapons they have no training, giving Ukraine training on those weapons?
        You see how stupid this sounds?
        They're not telling Ukrainians how to fight Russia, they're telling Ukrainians how to use new weapons to kill Russians.

      • 1 week ago
        Anonymous

        They are not training Ukr sf, they train regular dudes mobilized for war.

      • 1 week ago
        Anonymous
      • 1 week ago
        Anonymous

        Because they have free officers to train our troops in a safe place. Simple as.

      • 1 week ago
        Anonymous

        They're training the guys who haven't been at war for the last 8 years. I doubt there's a whole lot western SF can teach the Azov guys or whoever else has been fighting since 2014.

      • 1 week ago
        Anonymous

        >Finland
        >5 million people, whole existence threatened by russians
        >a country with high education, high standard of living, very high will to defend one's country etc.
        >technological know-how for Nokia, technological know-how to operate and maintain any weapon system on this planet effectively if given the chance
        >very fluid, adapting, exploiting defense

        You combine all this and you get a high-tech NATO compatible country with a specific goal to defend against russia with very high morale.

        Ukraine is going through what Finland has prepared for for decades, except they have 40 million people instead of 5 million. They've only had 8 years though - Finland fought soviets with the nazis but were subverted afterwards, the mindset of disgust for slavs never ended, even if public talk was prohibited.

        Think of a former Warsaw Pact country that had the chance to plan and develop more freely to fight their "master" instead of getting occupied. Finns share a lot with Estonia and other baltic countries, Poland etc.

      • 1 week ago
        Anonymous

        Because they have superior training.

      • 1 week ago
        Anonymous

        You see how stupid russia is despite also being at war regularly? Ukraine is something like that. They really needed better training.

      • 1 week ago
        Anonymous

        NATO countries have been fighting in various conflict zones for decades

      • 1 week ago
        Anonymous

        US has been training Ukrainians for years. They doubled the size of their spec ops.
        https://www.businessinsider.com/ukrainian-special-ops-forces-double-in-size-during-us-training-2022-6

        • 1 week ago
          Anonymous

          USCanUK has been yeah.

      • 1 week ago
        Anonymous

        >he doesn't know

      • 1 week ago
        Anonymous

        The west has the best and most recent counter insurgency experiance on earth, that's going to be invaluable once they take Moscow.

      • 1 week ago
        Anonymous

        this, 100%
        italy hasn't had a successful military campaign in over 400 years. finland lost the last war they fought and it was nearly a century ago. I just don't understand the worship of these effeminate little cuck countries

        • 1 week ago
          Anonymous

          Italy for romans.
          The war Finland lost had 75,000 casualties.
          Russia suffered 230,000. Thats why you fucking zoomer retard.

          • 1 week ago
            Anonymous

            Correction: finland suffered 75 000 casualties 23 000 dead, soviets suffered 230 000 dead. Their total casualties were probably close to a million and half the troops were ukrainians not russians.

      • 1 week ago
        Anonymous

        You need the infrastructure, time and money to train soldiers. You don't have to be good at it to teach the theory. It's like how high school math teachers don't need to be achieved math professors

      • 1 week ago
        Anonymous

        because its all under cover for american CIA and SF units.

        >green berets go to italy
        >train ukie nazis
        >oh ukranian soldiers are being trained by italians mr putin! we didnt escalate!

      • 1 week ago
        Anonymous

        >never been to war
        >european countries
        >countries with history of war against russians
        >countries with history of war against all of Europe
        >countries that have existed for war, through war and born of war

        >mutt trying to understand how the rest of the world works

    • 1 week ago
      Anonymous

      Sadly we won't ever get any confirmation of this due to Italy being fucking autistic about keeping everything under cover due to the whole year of lead thing. The govt even secretated the whole nonconventional aid to ukraine so that even a parliamental interrogation can't be requested.

      • 1 week ago
        Anonymous

        I'm Italian and i don't get it. Why, FUCKING WHY? This is the moment Italy can restore some military goodwill by donating out the ass but NOOOO, le left or le right might get pissy because muh weapons of war!!!!

        • 1 week ago
          Anonymous

          Because Russia has bought out both ends of your political spectrum worse than anywhere else, that's why.
          So what you gotta do is find some rope, some lampposts and start mussolini'ing the fucking traitors from both sides.

          • 1 week ago
            Anonymous

            If things go well with the elections the only non-compromised pro-sanction, pro-nato right candidate might get elected as prime minister. It's the only way out we have right now.

        • 1 week ago
          Anonymous

          We're donating but secretely. The left supports ukraine but doesn't want to be seen saying "weapons resolve conflicts", the right has to fake beimg pro ukraine and is in reality 90% bought by russia/china, then we have the 5stelle who are so retarded and desperate to stay afloat that they change their stance 2 times every step.
          We are a banana republic.

          • 1 week ago
            Anonymous

            why is there this desperate meme to portray anyone that isn't on board with the idiotic """establishment""" party as being pro russian, regardless of the country
            it's fucking annoying, stop

            • 1 week ago
              Anonymous

              Salvini literally took a deal of 49 million euros from Russia. Meloni and company were saying they would rather have Putin than the EU till 2 months ago. Get your head out of your ass.

              https://i.imgur.com/QfXmxgk.png

              pic rel
              [...]
              [...]
              no mention of Italian parties in the US report as of now

              >pic rel
              The head of the COPASIR already said "as of now, anything can change" it's obvious the report contains that some politicians received money in a way or the other privately and not thru their own party. Also, try to remember which party appointed the current COPASIR head.

              • 1 week ago
                Anonymous

                the personal failings of a dago politician being stupid enough to associate with russia don't color the dislike for the bad policy of leftoid parties.

              • 1 week ago
                Anonymous

                I never said the leftist parties were right or better. They are just as retarded but in different areas.

          • 1 week ago
            Anonymous

            I never expected anything less. Italy is the comic relief of Europe.

            t. burger

            • 1 week ago
              Anonymous

              Happy Juneteenth day, a bit late tho.

          • 1 week ago
            Anonymous

            Sounds like Britain except war in Europe is the only thing that brings us together and stops us bickering.

          • 1 week ago
            /out/ie

            >We're donating but secretely.
            No, Italy is not doing shit.

            • 1 week ago
              /out/ie

              Well, i meant to say Italy isn't doing shit.

            • 1 week ago
              Anonymous

              >source: my ass

              • 1 week ago
                /out/ie

                >gives a bit of this and a bit of that, but nothing with substance, only vegan stuff
                How generous.

      • 1 week ago
        Anonymous

        pic rel

        Because Russia has bought out both ends of your political spectrum worse than anywhere else, that's why.
        So what you gotta do is find some rope, some lampposts and start mussolini'ing the fucking traitors from both sides.

        If things go well with the elections the only non-compromised pro-sanction, pro-nato right candidate might get elected as prime minister. It's the only way out we have right now.

        no mention of Italian parties in the US report as of now

  4. 1 week ago
    Anonymous

    imagine all the gaysex they had

    • 1 week ago
      Anonymous

      Urgh, consensual gay sex, disgusting. Now nonconsensual male rape, that's what a good russian lives for.

      • 1 week ago
        Anonymous

        imagine all the gaysex they had

        Only Russkies are always thinking about gay sex, consensual or not. It is their national character. Most normal, western minded people are repulsed by such talk.

        It is likely for the same reason they still glorify extreme left wing ideologies as gay as communism.

    • 1 week ago
      Anonymous

      It says Finland, not Sweden

  5. 1 week ago
    Anonymous

    I was wondering why the Finns weren't training the Yukes since they're in such similar positions but there we go I guess

    • 1 week ago
      Anonymous

      We're not stupid and blab about our military business to the whole world.

  6. 1 week ago
    Anonymous

    >XA-185
    We finished... И я нe иpoнизиpyю. This is beast.
    t.Pyccкий

  7. 1 week ago
    Anonymous

    none?

  8. 1 week ago
    Anonymous

    >apc crews

  9. 1 week ago
    Anonymous

    probably something like don't shoot vatniks right away. Wait a little bit until they do something hilariously stupid.

  10. 1 week ago
    Anonymous

    Based.

    Fuck R*ssians.

    • 1 week ago
      Anonymous

      They even got the rusty chains

      • 1 week ago
        Anonymous

        What are they needed for?

        • 1 week ago
          Anonymous

          Traction

        • 1 week ago
          Anonymous

          To tie on the frozen vatnik corpses for decoration of course.

          It’s for traction in mud and snow.

        • 1 week ago
          Anonymous

          Snow chains to go on the tyres

        • 1 week ago
          Anonymous

          Snow chains.

          Or for chaining up prisoners of war and parading them through Kiev.

        • 1 week ago
          Anonymous

          snow chains. also it builds character with recruits when they mirror polish them with a tooth brush.

      • 1 week ago
        Anonymous

        Traction

        To tie on the frozen vatnik corpses for decoration of course.

        It’s for traction in mud and snow.

        https://i.imgur.com/2QfWVdA.png

        Probably vehicle maintenance and operation given that it is about APC.

        At least one of traction chain set has paint on it. Some kind of heresy.

        [...]
        Damaging roads, mud, slush, snow and ice.

        Snow chains to go on the tyres

        https://i.imgur.com/UWHj6OC.jpg

        Snow chains.

        Or for chaining up prisoners of war and parading them through Kiev.

        Isn't it camo net?

        • 1 week ago
          Anonymous

          The camo net is on the roof, the chains hanging on the side are for the tires.

    • 1 week ago
      Anonymous

      what a beauty

    • 1 week ago
      Anonymous

      Probably vehicle maintenance and operation given that it is about APC.

      At least one of traction chain set has paint on it. Some kind of heresy.

      What are they needed for?

      Damaging roads, mud, slush, snow and ice.

      • 1 week ago
        Anonymous

        >Probably vehicle maintenance and operation given that it is about APC.
        If they got finnish training, like 60% went into disguising and hiding the thing

        • 1 week ago
          Anonymous

          Pretty much. If there's one thing that the FDF always repeats to the conscripts it's camouflage everything, disperse everything, dig, dig, and dig. Honestly good skills for the Ukrainians in a conventional mostly infantry/mechanized infantry war.

        • 1 week ago
          Anonymous

          Camonets go up every time you stop. Rinse and repeat.

          • 1 week ago
            Anonymous

            Beats a grenade down the hatch.

      • 1 week ago
        Anonymous

        Is that Warwick Davis?

        • 1 week ago
          Anonymous

          Yes. Would you like kick him?

  11. 1 week ago
    Anonymous

    I'm proud of my country and even more so of Ukraine

  12. 1 week ago
    Anonymous
  13. 1 week ago
    Anonymous

    I am convinced that the Ukrainians were trained to use their Finnish mortars in Finland as well. When they were talking in an interview about the time to set up and leave their position I thought that the emphasis sounded very Finnish in doctrine.

  14. 1 week ago
    Anonymous

    Imagine the US-trained Ukies. Fucking hypersoldiers fueled by burger king

    • 1 week ago
      Anonymous

      Americans have been training Ukrainians since 2014

      • 1 week ago
        Anonymous

        Good

      • 1 week ago
        Anonymous

        Are you sure about that? I thought it was the Brits. I remember Obama sent them some helmets and MREs which was considered a shameful abdication.

        • 1 week ago
          Anonymous

          Yes, there's been US army units rotating in and out for a long while doing training with the Ukranians

        • 1 week ago
          Anonymous

          Americans, British, Canadian, Estonian, Polish, and Italians have all been training Ukrainians since 2014

  15. 1 week ago
    Anonymous

    Pasi's are based APC's. Loved them

    >t. Estonian Defence Forces

  16. 1 week ago
    Anonymous

    We will occupy them again and their prepotency behavior will be vanished in minutes.

    • 1 week ago
      Anonymous

      prepotence* within*

  17. 1 week ago
    Anonymous

    >be me
    >Pootins strongest soldiers
    >be sleepin in trench hole balls freezing
    >hear something in the woodline
    >spurdo spardö :DDDDDDDDDDD
    >Molotov cocktail flies out of nowhere
    >Hit Misha in face, he comboost
    >scramble back to armored vehicle
    >tfw there’s a fucking log jamed in the tracks
    >ppl skiing comes out of the wood shooting SMGs
    >One of them is actually riding a Lati AT rifle
    >See big flash
    >get cuts in 2 by 20mm round
    >die

    • 1 week ago
      Anonymous

      >Then my corpse was found in a funny pose

      • 1 week ago
        Anonymous

        i've seen an unbelievably high number of dead russians in the yamcha pose or peter pose

    • 1 week ago
      Anonymous

      >Lati AT rifle
      My favorite milsurp store had one of those on display before it transitioned into just a hiking store. I wonder what happened to it.

      • 1 week ago
        Anonymous

        guess it got bought by a guntuber to shoot laptops with or something

    • 1 week ago
      Anonymous

      >Lati AT Rifle
      >take an anti-materiel rifle
      >stick it on skis
      >nickname it "Norsupyssy"
      >use it to kill Russians

      I love the Finns.

    • 1 week ago
      Anonymous

      PERKELE

    • 1 week ago
      Anonymous

      >skiing when it's still 20℃ outside
      checks out

  18. 1 week ago
    Anonymous

    sauna sisu and sibelius

  19. 1 week ago
    Anonymous

    >Tob tibs for Ugrainains :
    >1. Eat pervidin
    >2. Eat more Pervidin
    >3. ????
    >4. Ebin :DDDDD

    :DDDD

  20. 1 week ago
    Anonymous

    Ugrainian, yu reddy :DD
    Our Finnal gift 😀
    >(you) have received 1xEuro Shopper Energy Drink Original 250ml
    Dring in dimes of daubt :DDDD

    • 1 week ago
      Anonymous

      2014 ylilauta ruined my life and I regret none of it
      beautiful imageboard

      • 1 week ago
        Anonymous

        I miss yl/int/ like you wouldn't believe. Probably the most fun I've ever had on the internet.

        • 1 week ago
          Anonymous

          I even earned money off it by making the siikalogo

          • 1 week ago
            Anonymous

            Oops. Was thinkjng kuvalauta

    • 1 week ago
      Anonymous

      energy for drench assault :DDDDD

      • 1 week ago
        Anonymous

        Gotta be a man

  21. 1 week ago
    Anonymous

    How many Finns tried sneaking into Ukraine with the Ukies after training? Nah that's just Sim-Sergei

  22. 1 week ago
    Anonymous

    How do you think historians will rank this war in a list of most embarrassing upset defeats? Top 50? 20? 10?

    • 1 week ago
      Anonymous

      it's up there with the russo-japanese war

      except that russia wasn't surprised or anything, and the Kamchatka was their flagship this time around.

    • 1 week ago
      Anonymous

      At the moment its not concluded so we can't say its a defeat (yet), but its in the running for at least a top 5 in military disasters where some operations turned into a spastic morass of shit flinging chimp noises, vast losses and irretrievable damage to some units involved

    • 1 week ago
      Anonymous

      Depends on the aftermath. If Putin manages to keep the shit together back home, it might not be "too bad" at least on russian scale. Unless they decide to do extremely stupid moves like start sending waves of conscripts against ukie artillery, start using WMDs, or other such things.

      • 1 week ago
        Anonymous

        We TNO IRL now.

    • 1 week ago
      Anonymous

      It's gonna be up there with Chernobyl on the list of dumbest mistakes that collapsed kreml.

    • 1 week ago
      Anonymous

      First, no doubt.

  23. 1 week ago
    Anonymous

    So ukrainians are.getting materiel that can cross muddy and snowy terrain?
    Gonna be an.interesting winter

    • 1 week ago
      Anonymous

      Dunno, its going to be very interesting through because anything much over 15t is probably not going to fare well in some areas in some conditions. But you've still got lighter trucks and utility type vehicles which should do ok in terms of not getting stuck + dismounts and do some infantry shit all over the Russians, which they're not good at and don't like or have much of.
      Arty is a mixed bag, great if you can still hit stuff and move, but if you're in the habit of blasting vast amounts of ammo and needing a really long supply line, that's going to suck
      Air power is still great though, suppress enough AA and you'll have frozen troops and vehicles at their mercy

      Maybe we will see their tractors weaponised as a technical!
      Those big, broadacre tractors with 4wd and huge-ass tyres will go anywhere

  24. 1 week ago
    Anonymous

    sneaky spurdos

  25. 1 week ago
    Anonymous

    >inb4 the ukies just come back autistic

  26. 1 week ago
    Anonymous

    Finland has achieved so much since they were discovered by Swedish scientists 700 years ago!

  27. 1 week ago
    Anonymous

    They're throwing the kitchen sink and more at Ukraine now.

    • 1 week ago
      Anonymous

      i just saw a vid of Su-34's doing arial bombing runs over contested areas, so it looks like the bear is unironically trying to wake up.

      probably just delaying the inevitable but at least they are reacting.

      • 1 week ago
        Anonymous

        You think they might try to go for broke and use the level of force expected of them? It might break them but hell it'll probably hurt the AFU very badly.

      • 1 week ago
        Anonymous

        You think they might try to go for broke and use the level of force expected of them? It might break them but hell it'll probably hurt the AFU very badly.

        The RuAF is going to be Gepard food if they keep doing those low and slow bombing runs. Ukraine is getting more and more AAA and it's being used to incredible effect. Remember that every SU-34 or SU-25 lost is likely 1-5% of their entire functional ground attack aircraft fleet at this point.

        • 1 week ago
          Anonymous

          More critically, that latest frogfoot incident shows that they're resorting to rookie pilots

          • 1 week ago
            Anonymous

            Oh shit I didn't even think about Russia's historically retarded use of pilots.
            >US pilot gets a lot of kills
            >is immediately pulled from combat to teach new pilots
            >Russian pilot gets a lot of kills
            >gets sent to the most dangerous missions to increase probability of success and therefore dies shortly after
            This is gonna snowball until they're basically putting conscripts in SU-35s.

  28. 1 week ago
    Anonymous

    Khokhlut, your main problem is that you don't understand how Russians burn down. You have heard enough of Western experts, but the problem with Western experts is that they only know Western battle tactics.
    These are two fundamentally different views. The Western recommendation chose to send the most experienced, equipped and trained fighters to the vanguard. Elite. While the rear guard consisted of inexperienced suckers with funny equipment. This is how the West fights. And the collapse of the vanguard for them means the collapse of the army. Because the elite fell, the best equipment and equipment were fucked up. Western register count on one line of defense. Strong and impenetrable, but if it crumbled, it means collapse.

    The Russian doctrine implies many lines of defense, including deceptive lines of defense. And the vanguard put the most inexperienced fighters because a fighter who passed through the vanguard and survived becomes an elite veteran who has proven in practice his superiority over everyone and therefore he alone is worth a dozen Western fighters. This is done in order to weed out the wheat from the chaff and go through hardening with fire.
    Therefore, the rearguard of our army consists of a real elite with years of combat experience and an innate talent to defend the homeland. The deceptive line of defense, on the other hand, exists to lure the enemy’s artillery to striking distances so that they move their forces and fall under a barrage of hellfire from pre-prepared positions.

    Simply put, Khokhlut, your Pendos instructors are fucking you when they say that you have a chance. Because you have not even encountered the REAL Russian army, with its most experienced fighters, who will not leave you even a wet spot.

    • 1 week ago
      Anonymous

      post vdv
      also isn't that basicly the whole thrust of russian doctrine where you clowns pour all you good shit into BTGs and the conscripts get nothing, so when they get slapped or trapped or stalled the whole offencive is fucked.

    • 1 week ago
      Anonymous

      Seems like a pretty shitty strategy

      • 1 week ago
        Anonymous

        What? Everyone knows that you put your best troops around glorious dictators bunkerpalace in the middle of the empire. You should really play more video games.

    • 1 week ago
      Anonymous

      Is this why the elite VDV got sent to be absolutely decimated by khoklut artillery on a field that had absolutely no cover?

    • 1 week ago
      Anonymous

      Fingers crossed that Ukranians TEMPO TEMPO TEMPO all the way to Moscow so they can wear your sister like a cocksleeve and leave you hanging from a broken lightpole.

    • 1 week ago
      Anonymous

      >Because you have not even encountered the REAL Russian army, with its most experienced fighters, who will not leave you even a wet spot.

      Name the remaining units available to compose your order of battle. That will be hilarious.

    • 1 week ago
      Anonymous

      >defend the homeland
      What?

    • 1 week ago
      Anonymous

      >we were only pretending to lose!
      >haha get trolled!
      >*dies from own missile with faulty guidance*

    • 1 week ago
      /out/ie

      >Simply put, Khokhlut, your Pendos instructors are fucking you when they say that you have a chance. Because you have not even encountered the REAL Russian army, with its most experienced fighters, who will not leave you even a wet spot.
      And yet there isn't a single war where they won.

    • 1 week ago
      Anonymous

      >Claims to be third Rome
      >Lesser military doctrine than classical Roman republic
      Lmao

  29. 1 week ago
    Anonymous

    ukraine was trained by aliens and supplied by year 3022 NATO sending weapons back in time, really, it's simply unfair.
    otherwise they would be crushed by russia (1st army in the world)

  30. 1 week ago
    Anonymous

    I remain convinced that the US wanted Finland in NATO specifically because they wanted to minimize any chance of having to actually fight them someday and take a giant Finnish benis to the ass.

    • 1 week ago
      Anonymous

      There's no way we'd ever go to war with Finland because if there is one thing the US military fears, it's talking trees.

      • 1 week ago
        Anonymous

        There's no talk, only darkness.

  31. 1 week ago
    Anonymous

    This is all a Finnish feint
    >train Ukies
    >ukies defeat russia
    >russianc collapses into a chaotic warlord state
    >Finnish "peacekeepers" go in with the rest of the international coalition
    >"discover" tomb of ghengis khan (they've known where it is since at least the Winter War after a plane carrying one of Himmler's Thule researchers crashed in Karelia), resurrect him and restore the Finnish Kahganate
    >pervitin rush to Korea for Hyper War 2

    • 1 week ago
      Anonymous
      • 1 week ago
        Anonymous
        • 1 week ago
          Anonymous

          This is based. This

          This is all a Finnish feint
          >train Ukies
          >ukies defeat russia
          >russianc collapses into a chaotic warlord state
          >Finnish "peacekeepers" go in with the rest of the international coalition
          >"discover" tomb of ghengis khan (they've known where it is since at least the Winter War after a plane carrying one of Himmler's Thule researchers crashed in Karelia), resurrect him and restore the Finnish Kahganate
          >pervitin rush to Korea for Hyper War 2

          is not.

          Nothing to do with Asians. Only traditionally finnic areas can be accepted as parts of Finland. No Russian or other mongoloid peoples. Greater Finland is serious business.

          • 1 week ago
            Anonymous

            thats a LOT of ethnic cleansing to be done

            • 1 week ago
              Anonymous

              Only Russians and some other new ethnicities imported by them would need to be removed. Ugric areas need not be cleansed, they can be autonomous.

              • 1 week ago
                Anonymous

                That is just beautiful.

            • 1 week ago
              Anonymous

              Where there's a will there's a way. Hypothetically ofc.

          • 1 week ago
            Anonymous

            It used to be quite serious business as well in some not even politically marginalized circles in Finland.

            • 1 week ago
              Anonymous

              >It used to be quite serious business
              Then why are you posting a meme map made by a bunch of contemporary neonazi larpers?
              Surely you aren't retarded enough to believe that's actually from 1984, by NLS no less?

          • 1 week ago
            Anonymous

            fuck off Pelle we will never let the lapps have their land back

      • 1 week ago
        Anonymous

        Why the fuck did it take you until 1949? It's impossible to be that bad at HoI4, the game is piss easy.

        • 1 week ago
          Anonymous

          the logistics system is pain even with only infantry

    • 1 week ago
      Anonymous

      >>"discover" tomb of ghengis khan (they've known where it is since at least the Winter War after a plane carrying one of Himmler's Thule researchers crashed in Karelia)
      This is bullshit but I believe it.

  32. 1 week ago
    Anonymous

    >Finland has been quietly training ukrainian soldiers. Just imagine the tricks they learned.

    • 1 week ago
      Anonymous

      >: LOOK_WE_EXIST
      ah yes, the main reason the ruski snowmorons leaking out of their containment board in the outer internets

      • 1 week ago
        Anonymous

        You're literally pic related. Oot kirjaimellisesti viereisen kuvan "muh Binland :D:DD" hyypiö.

  33. 1 week ago
    Anonymous

    >Just imagine the tricks they learned.
    Nothing other NATO countries don't know. World War 2 was 80 years ago come on.
    Most Soviet troops in the Winter War were actually Ukrainian since Stalin was a fan of the old Russian tradition of putting non-russians in the vanguard to die off.

  34. 1 week ago
    Anonymous

    Is this really that surprising? Why do you think the UK brokered a defence deal with them

  35. 1 week ago
    Anonymous

    >Ukies are now immunized against harsh Russian winter.
    How will Putin ever recover from this development?

  36. 1 week ago
    Anonymous

    We taught them the saunaklonkku. It both improves morale and functions as torturing method

  37. 1 week ago
    Anonymous

    Anyone else find it weird when someone brings up the Winter War on PrepHole they talk about it as if Finland had won?

    • 1 week ago
      Anonymous

      Not really. A country of 3.5 million where the whole military didn't even have uniforms fought the Soviet giant into a stalemate and an armistice, being the only Molotov-Ribbentrop country to not get divided among the planned lines. It's like a miracle it happened, only then in the Continuation War they repeated the deal and remained the only Axis-affiliated country to not get occupied at the end of the war.
      People treat it like a victory, because it's something that by all means should never have happened. How the fuck does a country like Finland not get occupied by one as mighty as the Soviet Union? The Finns fought off a vastly superior enemy and retained their independence against all odds. It's not a traditional military victory, but it is one for the Finnish people.

      • 1 week ago
        Anonymous

        See, case in point. Finland lost but it’s spoken about as if they had won.

        • 1 week ago
          Anonymous

          The Finns did win.

          Not militarily of course, that can not be honestly stated, but as a people, as a nation. The Soviet union collapsed, Finland remained independent, is the most stable nation in the entire world, is one of the happiest ones to be found. Russia meanwhile is moving towards a collapse of even its post-Soviet status.

          • 1 week ago
            Anonymous

            Pretty much exactly this. Had Finland not fought or collapsed militarily the following would have happened:

            >Collaborators set up a new communist government
            >Everything is nationalized
            >All the intellectuals, people who were marginally wealthier or opposed to the regime get killed
            >A brutal campaign of Russification begins and mass deportations of the population across the Soviet Union begins to disintegrate the culture
            >The economic structure of former Finland would have gotten the fucked Soviet treatment that countries like Estonia and Poland for example got

            Even if a hypothetical conquered Finland would have been able to become independent after the fall of the Soviet Union it would have been just another post-Soviet shithole with massive issues. The winter war is legitimately without exaggeration a tale of the few saving the future of the entire country with their sacrifice.

          • 1 week ago
            Anonymous

            So….it’s just polite to not point out that they lost? It’s not that you LITERALLY believe that Finland won the war, only that one should tastefully ignoring that fact while praising their accomplishments in a very difficult period? Sure I can get behind that, I only have a problem if that were to entail pretending they won.

            • 1 week ago
              Anonymous

              I love the retards that just repeat themselves constantly, you morons are the stupidest autists

            • 1 week ago
              Anonymous

              Nothing to do with politeness, everything to do with the war ending in a stalemate, an armistice, a bilateral treaty https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moscow_Peace_Treaty
              Soviets failing to achieve their strategic objectives while Finland achieved theirs; the war not actually ending and continuing later on.
              I don't recognize the endstates of conflicts as binary. Treating war as a win/loss scenario is just brain-numbingly simplistic, even Wikipedia doesn't do it for the Winter War. Just treating the Winter War as an isolated war and not as a combined conflict with the Continuation War (literally named for continuing the war) is just stupid.
              Maybe I've been poisoned by modern military thinking and the continuing spectrum of competition-conflict, but the Winter War, the Interim Peace and the Continuation War should all be seen as a single continuity and as a part of the World War as a whole.

              How do you even define the victory conditions for the Winter War?

              • 1 week ago
                Anonymous

                >How do you even define the victory conditions for the Winter War?
                Seems simple to me
                Soviet victory: annex Finland
                Finnish victory: retain independence
                What else?

              • 1 week ago
                Anonymous

                Isn't a war just a larger scale fight over an objective or goal? If you achieve your goals, then you win. If you fail to achieve your goal, then you lose. I haven't read any war autism books so maybe this is the wrong idea.

                If you are fighting for independence and survival and you achieve those goals, you've won. Like a boxer in a ring that is told he will be executed if he loses the match, and then he wins the fight. Doesn't get any prize money and isn't any better off than before, but won and survived. If you're fighting to reach Oulu in 2 days and your invasion ends in catastrophic military failure, you lose the battles, you aren't able to meaningfully advance past the enemy's border let alone integrate any meaningful territory into the USSR besides small amounts of forests and farmlands you'll leave in disrepair anyway, where where the victories? Where are the goals gained?

                Watch, he’s going to repeat himself

              • 1 week ago
                Anonymous

                That's fine. I'm more just using this "argument" to work through my thoughts and ideas on the subject and building them into a cohesive whole.

              • 1 week ago
                Anonymous

                Oh, lel ok that’s fair.

            • 1 week ago
              Anonymous

              Isn't a war just a larger scale fight over an objective or goal? If you achieve your goals, then you win. If you fail to achieve your goal, then you lose. I haven't read any war autism books so maybe this is the wrong idea.

              If you are fighting for independence and survival and you achieve those goals, you've won. Like a boxer in a ring that is told he will be executed if he loses the match, and then he wins the fight. Doesn't get any prize money and isn't any better off than before, but won and survived. If you're fighting to reach Oulu in 2 days and your invasion ends in catastrophic military failure, you lose the battles, you aren't able to meaningfully advance past the enemy's border let alone integrate any meaningful territory into the USSR besides small amounts of forests and farmlands you'll leave in disrepair anyway, where where the victories? Where are the goals gained?

        • 1 week ago
          Anonymous

          Finland remained an independent country which is pretty much de facto victory. Regardless of how you want to define victory in the winter war scenario it's not like it really matters when the outcome is as impressive as it was.

          • 1 week ago
            Anonymous

            Finland lost. Not de facto, but literally lost the war. I’m curious why you believe the opposite of recorded history. Is it a reverse Vietnam effect where one side technically wins but it’s been framed as a defeat culturally?

            • 1 week ago
              Anonymous

              I mean yeah sure Finland lost the war but their literal only goal was survival which they managed to achieve without losing that much relatively speaking. I'm not denying that Finland lost the war but it's also kind of a meaningless thing to state when Finland managed to achieve all of its wargoals.

            • 1 week ago
              Anonymous

              >Soviet Union invades a comparatively tiny nation.
              >The war is the equivalent of getting your dick caught in a wood chipper.
              >Soviets gains a tiny fraction of the territory they wanted.
              >Finland retains its independence even after the Continuation War.
              Show me on the doll where the Russians won.

      • 1 week ago
        Anonymous

        The Finns themselves refer to this as "Defensive victory".

        And I think this is an area of warfare rarely discussed about. The fact that everyone thought that you would lose 100-0, ...but you DIDN'T! You kept what you had (at least, for the most parts) and you drove away tha attacker. That IS a victory. You might not have vanquished the enemy, but you did not cease to exist either.

        "Defensive victory" means "I lived, bitch!"

        • 1 week ago
          Anonymous

          >you drove away tha attacker
          Nope

          • 1 week ago
            Anonymous

            We literally did moron. Every other country bordering Russia was subjucated.

          • 1 week ago
            Anonymous

            Post soviet flag over Helsinki.
            You can't, because they lost.

          • 1 week ago
            Anonymous

            Where are the millions of ruskie commies in Finland?
            Where are the Soviet army garrisons in Finland?
            Where are the russian schools, russian diet, russian culture in Finland?
            There are none?? What a surprise

    • 1 week ago
      Anonymous

      Not becoming subjugated under russian rule is a victory no matter what the cost

    • 1 week ago
      Anonymous

      Even if they didn't win this is really fucking embarassing. Can you imagine if the Viet-Cong killed five Americans for every soldier they lost?

      • 1 week ago
        Anonymous

        Russians have no shame, they’d all gladly die in the most embarrassing ways possible if it meant maybe winning

      • 1 week ago
        Anonymous

        >61 506 sick or frostbitten
        WTF rusbros... winter was supposed to be our friend and enemy of europe...

    • 1 week ago
      Anonymous

      Won the Winter war.
      Lost/Draw the Continuation war.

    • 1 week ago
      Anonymous

      Most Finns right after the winter war would have agreed with you. "We lost land therefore we lost the war." But this thinking changed during late 50s and early 60s when they watched what was going on in Eastern block in general and Baltic states in particular. "We remained independent with least possible losses." This is why most Finns now days claim that wars were won.

  38. 1 week ago
    Anonymous

    Everyone has been training Ukrainian soldiers. Finland training a few more isn't going to swing anything.

  39. 1 week ago
    Anonymous

    Those babies are pretty good swimmers. No need for pontoon crossings over the rivers.

    • 1 week ago
      Anonymous

      There was a huge accident in 1991 when a BTR-60 we used at the time just suddenly sunk for no reason. Killed six conscripts inside and was buried 32 meters deep, encased in 1,5m of mud.

      • 1 week ago
        Anonymous

        I would never dare to swim with old Soviet mech and judging by river crossings at Ukraine even Russians don't do it.

      • 1 week ago
        Anonymous

        >no reason
        It was unbalanced and overloaded because of an extra supply rack welded on the roof near the back.
        There's a reason no other country randomly adds extra mass to a soviet mil surplus vehicles if they're ever supposed to leave dry ground.

      • 1 week ago
        Anonymous

        >No reason
        insha'Allah tier mindset

  40. 1 week ago
    Anonymous

    I thought the shit we did was just regular stuff. Conacription army has to cater to a pretty low common denominator over a professional one.

    t: a year in finnish jaeger battalion

    • 1 week ago
      Anonymous

      professional armies have lower average IQ

  41. 1 week ago
    Anonymous

    This is what the West had been afraid of for 70 years. Shameful display.

    • 1 week ago
      Anonymous

      no, this is what left of the fume. in the 80s, USSR would have been a formidable forces.

  42. 1 week ago
    Anonymous

    >The armor upgrade was initiated after the realisation that the previous armor was inadequate, even modern armor-piercing 7.62 mm ammunition could pierce the older XA-180 and XA-185 models in certain areas.
    >https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Patria_Pasi#Versions
    The 200 model is the only viable one, the rest are so unarmored even 7.62 can pen the hull. The 185 is a death trap.

  43. 1 week ago
    Anonymous

    After this is all over and Russia fucks off and has to make concessions not seen since the treaty of Versailles or whatever, will the Ukrainians have to give the trillions of dollars worth of Aid and Arms back to the respective donating nations?
    they gave up the nukes once and look where that got them. if I was Zelly boi Id be goddamned if im giving any HIMARS back if Russia exists in any fashion besides a parking lot. Id probably be fast tracking my Nuclear program above rebuilding my cities. (after all you can always pull a " post-*ANY WAR EVER* "and just have the Americans foot the bill for infrastructure while you do military shit)
    Will the Ukranians become the Modern day "Idealic liberal Russia" that ironically the actual Ruskies were too PTSD ridden from living in a nightmare for the past 200+ years.? by this i mean a resource rich, Industrialized, main trading partner of the region/ with most of Western europe? itd be pretty cool if they themselves became what russia was supposed to be.

    • 1 week ago
      Anonymous

      >equipment that is in usable condition and modern
      maybe but I'm a bit doubtful
      >soviet trash donated to Ukraine instead of the scrapyard
      they can keep it lol

  44. 1 week ago
    Anonymous

    Tricks? TRICKS? Russia army turns tricks all day every day, russia invented turning tricks. Can't threaten with "tricks" when motherland was built by turning tricks in trench and barracks. Russia army will clench buttocks and the filthy globohomo cock will trapped forever.

  45. 1 week ago
    Anonymous

    I feel like I want nukes.

  46. 1 week ago
    Anonymous

    also NOKIA

  47. 1 week ago
    Anonymous

    I just don't see the US allowing Russia to fail. btfb and weakened yes but that's all.
    This past March I believed Russia may have miscalculated that could possibly result in the end of Russia. The current situaton is astounding - Russia can't or won't even hold fortified defensive positions.
    Despite America arming Ukraine, it's likely to snatch victory from the jaws of defeat in order to save Russia.

    • 1 week ago
      Anonymous

      Why would the USA care if Russia fails or not?

      • 1 week ago
        Anonymous

        It'd be nice if that nuclear material didnt disperse into the wider world

  48. 1 week ago
    Anonymous

    obviously Finland won the winter war, USSR no longer exists

  49. 1 week ago
    Anonymous

    >Fins training Ukrainians just in time for winter
    It's all coming together.

  50. 1 week ago
    Anonymous

    People arguing over if Finland won or lost the winter war/continuation war, should remember it depends on perspective. Russia/Soviet Union didn't become even close to getting their objectives and as always they move the goal post to change the perspective to fit their narrative.

    Russia was closer to absolute victory during the end of the winter war, than during the end of the continuation war. Finland won the deciding battles of continuation war and stopped Russia, made consessions, which had deep cuts to Finnish society (losing of Karelia, genocide of Ingrians and Vepsians).

    This "victory" to Russia came to it with high cost, if you count Russian lives as valuable. Russia didn't attack during the end of the Continuation war, because Finland exactly spent and seeing an opportunity to end one front without the extremely high cost that could have taken to take Finland ,the easily defendable parts of Finland didn't even have fighting on them yet, not even counting the Salpa line. The hard part was just ahead for Russia and they were already pretty spent (Churchill wanted to attack Russia after the battle of Berlin while Russia was still weak and democratic Finland could have easily be turned into a ally and a staging ground.

    Because the situation is so complicated it's usually referred as a "defensive victory" in Finland.

    Russians are highly superstitious people and tend to see Finland as some sort of Forest fortress. They knew winter war and continuation war took substantian cost to them. On some level they fear a new war with Finland, not just because it would be costly, but it could also be humiliating. Russia does have elements of the asian "face" culture after all.

    • 1 week ago
      Anonymous

      If people say Finland lost the war, they should also say that the USA won Vietnam, Afganistan and the Iraq wars, but these people care more about their bottom line the actual truth.

      Also as a Finn, I hate to see Finns be too confident, just because we're pretty militarised society, it doesn't mean we should be overtly confident. Be littling Ukraine for "not being ready" or be "unprepared" isn't fair, we don't know what is actually happening in Ukraine. They hadva lot of problems with their military in 2014 thats for sure, but even in 8 years miracles can and has happened. I'm ashamed of these people who act like they're military expert just because they've served. Most men in Finland has served and this boost their confidance, when they see how little todays unmilitarized Europeans know about this shit. Control yourselves, your embarrasing us.

      • 1 week ago
        Anonymous

        >we're pretty militarised society

    • 1 week ago
      Anonymous

      If people say Finland lost the war, they should also say that the USA won Vietnam, Afganistan and the Iraq wars, but these people care more about their bottom line the actual truth.

      Also as a Finn, I hate to see Finns be too confident, just because we're pretty militarised society, it doesn't mean we should be overtly confident. Be littling Ukraine for "not being ready" or be "unprepared" isn't fair, we don't know what is actually happening in Ukraine. They hadva lot of problems with their military in 2014 thats for sure, but even in 8 years miracles can and has happened. I'm ashamed of these people who act like they're military expert just because they've served. Most men in Finland has served and this boost their confidance, when they see how little todays unmilitarized Europeans know about this shit. Control yourselves, your embarrasing us.

      Win / loss comes down to the political goals of both sides, war is just an extention of politcs.

      If people say Finland lost the war, they should also say that the USA won Vietnam, Afganistan and the Iraq wars, but these people care more about their bottom line the actual truth.

      Also as a Finn, I hate to see Finns be too confident, just because we're pretty militarised society, it doesn't mean we should be overtly confident. Be littling Ukraine for "not being ready" or be "unprepared" isn't fair, we don't know what is actually happening in Ukraine. They hadva lot of problems with their military in 2014 thats for sure, but even in 8 years miracles can and has happened. I'm ashamed of these people who act like they're military expert just because they've served. Most men in Finland has served and this boost their confidance, when they see how little todays unmilitarized Europeans know about this shit. Control yourselves, your embarrasing us.

      Finland lost because Russia achieved their goals, it just took way more resources than expected making it a pyrrhic victory. The US also lost Vietnam becuase their goal was to stop it becoming communist which it did.

      • 1 week ago
        Anonymous

        >achieved their goals
        Such as?

      • 1 week ago
        Anonymous

        >Finland lost because Russia achieved their goals
        ... They literally achieved none of them.

  51. 1 week ago
    Anonymous

    Redditland

  52. 1 week ago
    Anonymous
  53. 1 week ago
    Anonymous

    I am from Finland and I love my country and I hate Russia.

    • 1 week ago
      Anonymous

      Well don't we all.

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