Is there any 5.56 ammunition that is made for home defense?
Like something to prevent penetration as much as possible so you don't have to worry about over penetration?
Is there any 5.56 ammunition that is made for home defense?
Is there any 5.56 ammunition that is made for home defense?
Like something to prevent penetration as much as possible so you don't have to worry about over penetration?
fragmentation rounds or hollow point rounds
>fragmentation rounds
lol
let me shoot you with one
moron, im laughing at how you called them fragmentation rounds (explosive) instead of frangible (falls apart on impact to prevent overpen)
I caed them fragmentation rounds. Because fragmentation occurs when they hit something :^)
im not that guy, but i assumed he meant frangible and was a little drunk since its friday. god bless
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Frangible_bullet
Yes I should have called it a frangible round... you got me. I was typing to fast. I'm gonna go cry now.
I'm third party to this ridiculous discussion but when you are speaking on a technical subject, a dictionary does literally zero good at all
FRAGMENTATION
you guys are something else...
RIP
haha penis
looks like something that doesnt actually work but le operator gays would buy up by the crate
This. Example: prognathism as a diagnosis for basically an underbite (just the mandible) vs describing the forward relation of the lower part of the face (maxilla and mandible) to the crania and shit.
>he bites his lip and begins to sweat, having caught a complete stranger on the internet in a grammatical error|
>his degree in semantics won't let anyone stop him from understanding what someone else meant even if the words weren't exactly right, not having been exposed to social norms in public
cope
>using the completely wrong term is now a grammatical error instead of a terminology error
>being unaware of how people bullshitting eachother IRL will have short nerd fights over this kind of shit as well
anon I...
fragmentation does not imply anything about the cause of fragmentation. the other anon was correct, and you are a homosexual
sorry, but they're called frangible rounds
UH! i know! I know it's frustrating!
but that's just what they're called!
Lol that meme is literally meant for pedantic gays like you.
>All this effort seething when you're wrong in the first place
Frangible when it comes to small arms projectiles refers to prefragmented, powdered, or sintered rounds, typically intended for reducing ricochet risks. Fragmenting refers to rounds which start as one piece and then break into several, typically for increasing wounding. The other anon is right, you are both a pedantic homosexual and wrong.
>T. Knower of such things
Funny enough, Glaser safety slugs are actually more dangerous after passing through drywall than in open air, they frequently don't open up on the drywall and are squished together by the process. If they hit something afterwards they tend to stay together longer penetrating deeper instead of breaking apart. Truly a meme round.
you homosexuals are so concerned about the word fragmenting. I said it. not that anon. bullet fragmentation is a thing mr. fricking scientist. get the frick over yourself. you are all children.
That's not true, watch the video
posted. Drywall absolutely opens them up, and quickly.
>he doesn't use 5.56 HE
Frangible
are you that guy that used to spam /misc/ with hours of angry replies, sometimes with multiple concurrent threads reaching 50+ replies each?
No, I'm the guy that forgot to Choose File
I tried these once. I think i have about 5 left. maybe i'll do some testing later.
>frangibles
>40gr TSX
>varmint rounds
>stop being a b***h and expecting bullets to reliably kill people but be stopped by drywall and fiberglass
Take your pick really, it's a pretty versatile round.
>stop being a b***h and expecting bullets to reliably kill people but be stopped by drywall and fiberglass
Penetrating power has nothing to do with lethality unless your home intruder (aka Black person) is wearing plates or a vest for some fricking reason.
A straight hole through the torso is easier to patch up than a sucking chest wound from a frangible round.
>bullets DON'T need to be able to break bones and damage organs on the other side of them
>bullets DO need to be able to be stopped by an interior wall
ok
Use 45 grain soft points.
Next thread plz
Bullet go fast. Bullet hit hard thing! Then bullet go through hard thing and hit grug in cave next over. But when bullet go really fast, bullet hit hard thing. Then bullet break into many pieces. Not hit grug, grug safe.
Anything that meets standard penetration standards for self-defense will also fly through 5 or 6 of the plywood and drywall boards forming the white refugee camps aka suburbs of middle America.
Over penetration is a massive meme in 5.56, not really worth worrying about in the first place. That being said what you're talking about is probably pest personified by the Hornady tap urban line loads using vmax projectiles. They are specifically designed for minimizing over penetration risk. Imo you're better off with just about any other decent quality expanding or fragmenting load offering 13-16" of BG penetration though, and probably best off with a barrier blind expanding load or a heavy for caliber adequately penetrating fragmenting load.
>Over penetration is a massive meme in 5.56, not really worth worrying about in the first place.
It's a massive meme in any situation, and not worth worrying about. Either a threat is bad enough to justify bullets or it isn't, you don't worry about 3rd parties until the 1st party(you) is safe. Worrying about overpen is the kind of dilettantism that comes from being underage noguns with access to the internet.
Aim your shots well and use a more effective bullet. That way you miss less. 5.56 bullets that have to pass through the target first will pose a much lower risk of overpenetration.
Bullets that consistently penetrate through vitals in people will also penetrate through walls on a miss, that's just the reality of it. Some will penetrate more, some will penetrate less, but none will vaporize on contact. Personally, my top choice is Black Hills 77 gr TMK, which makes bigass wounds in tissue and fragments readily so it doesn't go through *quite* as much building material.
M855 or go home.
Bullet fragmentation can cause significant additional damage, including a much larger permanent and temporary cavity, torn muscles and holes in internal organs can be as large as 7 cm in diameter.
HP rounds. They issued 5.56 HP to us as police duty rounds, even our SWAT team used them because administration was afraid of overpenetration. They ditch them when a guy was firing at the SWAT team from inside one of those metal sheds, and a barrage of rounds all failed to go through the shed. The piece of shit lived unscathed after firing at them and hitting a dude in the leg under his shield. So realize if you're using HP for HD, and someone hides behind a couch or something, your rounds are going to underpenetrate. At that point why not just use a handgun round? Why use a rifle round then cuck it for fears of "overpenetration?" You're using a fricking rifle for HD, I would've thought underpenetration was your concern. Most of you unfortunately just can't use a handgun adequately due to being lolnotraining.
Maybe he is poor and could only afford a rifle? Maybe he is underaged and can only legally but one?
Idk man but I searched to see if they happened to make those old sorta meme rounds, glaser blue safety slugs in 223/556 after watching a few videos of vmax and other varmint stuff passing through like 6 walls.
Turns out they're not so memetastic at warp speed.
They just explode parts of you like a more extreme vmax, but the cool thing is they only go through 2 or 3 walls. The gay thing is it looks like they're sold in blister packs like dragonsbreath shotshells.
Glazer used to be like 6 rounds per blister pack. Haven't seen that stuff in years.
Yeah neither had I
Glaser Safety Slug Blue
They still sold it when I lived in NJ. Because the security licensed guys couldn’t carry HP I think.
Just go for a 55, 62, 64 gr Gold Dot, Fusion MSR, it’s a bonded soft point so it will eat less walls than lot of handgun rounds.
Glazer ammo was designed for Air Marshall's to use on planes.
Back when they were Sky Marshals?
Looks like they make it in 20rd boxes now too...
https://www.omahaoutdoors.com/glaser/
>ordinance
I didn't realize Glaser was illiterate Black folk
>Anything that can kill a person can go through a wall.
>Anything that can't go through a wall, won't kill a person.
When will people learn this? THERE IS NO MAGIC AMMO/CALIBER THAT ONLY DAMAGES FLESH BUT BOUNCES OFF WALLS.
Don't know what that is, but if it can go through a wall, it can kill a person. If it can't go through a wall, it likely cannot kill a person. The end. Kthankxbye.
Just Fricking With You Buddy
kthankxbye
It's a plastic bullet at mach stupid speeds. The intent was rapid decelleration after shooting where at 10 yards they were lethal and at something like 100 yards theyre into bloody surface wound territory. Supposedly they work too and through barriers they probably wouldn't penetrate hardly any.
I don't recall the reason why they stopped being made but probably because most people don't want that.
You could absolutely engineer a round that would blow a significant hole in someone but pulverize into pieces too small to significantly penetrate it hit a wall. It would probably be something like a hollow shell made of high density plastic filled with powdered metal.
Obviously it would fall short of normal standards of penetration but it would make an effective weapon nonetheless depending on the scale.
>He's never heard of the Glaser Safety Slug
>It's only been around since the 1970s
What I'm describing is an extreme exaggeration of the same concept. Just like Glaser made different versions of the safety slug with different sizes of shot, we'd be taking it to a further level.
Thunderzap iirc. Didn't have the metal shavings though, just an angry piece of HDPE going almost 2000fps from a snub nose .38.
God I want this in 556
Not him but I'd imagine Mach 4 coupled with the spin might blow apart a plastic bullet.
Maybe not though. Hpdvn
They've made bullets with plastic sabots at those kinds of speeds, as I recall.
but why
Rodents
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Unusual
Size
Someone actually made one of these and it'll absolutely blow a huge hole in a motherfricker at close range lol
5.56 has poor overpen. It is already what you want.
all 5.56 is home defense ammo
yes
M193 and 20 inch barrel
Worked in nam worked in the sandbox it'll work today
just get a 9mm carbine and those IMI die cut jhp's. cheap, won't penetrate your McDrywall house too badly, and fragment like crazy out of an 8 inch + barrel
(You) (homosexual)
>using a rifle as primary home defense
(You) are too moronic for this world, OP. also, You're a homosexual.
Why not use a rifle?
Hunting ammo of course. Federal 69 Grain Sierra MatchKing Hollow Point is a great pick. Chest or head. These won't go through a human head but they will make the eyes bulge and blood come from the ears. So I hear.
I thought that was part of what made it so great for home defense, is that it doesn't really have a problem with over-penetration anyway? If you are supper worried about it, just use a round like your pic. What's the problem? What's the question? I don't get it.
>is there a rifle bullet designed for shooting inside my own home
Holy frick Americans are moronic.
frick off e*rofudd, 5.56 carries no more and often less overpenetration risk than most shotgun and handgun rounds
It's called 9mm.