Is Brazil the biggest fish in the South America pond? Didn't they have a nuclear subs program? Posted on February 28, 2023 by PrepHole Contributor Is Brazil the biggest fish in the South America pond? Didn't they have a nuclear subs program?
The Osorio also looks cool, I guess.
Is that a centurion with a body kit?
It doesn't look that much like Centurion, come on.
I never liked the looks of the Osório.
what about the proposed m-60/t-64 frankentank
it was Ukraine who proposed that, shortly before the war. in an alternate timeline Russia never invaded Ukraine and we managed to get some m-64 monstrosities.
they tried to sell this thing to a bunch of different countries but nobody trusted brazil to actually manufacture it, so it never happened
Not at all what it happened.
>what it happened
alright, so then what it happened then?
>alright, so then what it happened then?
It is a protracted, but very much public, story. In the off chance you´re actually interested, I´ll give you the main points:
> Brazil designed and manufactured a state of the art MBT in the 80s. It was called the Osorio.
> Stabilized 120mm main turret, computer aided laser sight, night vision, 1000HP engine and so on
> Armor systems were designed by 2 expat English engineers with large experience in weapons development
> In 1985, a full prototype was sent to Saudi Arabia for testing. This was done with full US authorization
> In July 1987 a few other prototypes were sent to Saudi Arabia to participate in a joint test including multiple countries as participants and observers.
> At this point, Saudi Arabia had already announced a USD $1,5 billion dollars contract for a MBT
> The main contestants were the Brazilian Osorio, the American Abrams, the English Challenger and the French AMX-40
> The tests were brutal, and the Challenger and AMX-40 quickly bit the dust. The Abrams and the Osorio passed all tests
> 1989, Saudi Arabia officially decided for the Osorio, because it was cheaper, lighter, and able to fulfill all their specs. The Saudis signed the Brazilian contract
> This did not go well with the US MIC
> Iraq went in and ordered a few more Osorios, for 360 million USD
> Another countries start getting interested
> During 1989, Brazil invests a truly gigantic amount of resources for the mass production of the MBTs
> In 1990, Saddam invades Kuweit
> The US was able to provide the M1A1 Abrams on demand to Saudi Arabia, and there were diplomatic shenanigans and shit.
> Brazil wasn´t yet ready to produce the hundreds of MBTs contracted. The Saudis scraped the contract
> Iraq loses the war and also scraps its contract
> Brazilian MIC gets near bankrupt from the whole endeavor.
It all goes a little deeper than that, but that´s the gist of it. DYOR
There's also the fact that Engesa was already in deep shit because Saddam didn't paid for the hundreds of Urutus and Cascavels they bought.
The Osório project was a hail mary for a company that was practically brankrupt.
Why to lie so much on such a small thing? Why do some Anglos get off on inventing and spouting the most wild and out there shit about tiny Brazil?
>they tried to sell this thing to a bunch of different countries but nobody trusted brazil to actually manufacture it, so it never happened
Lol. Lmfao. The most ridiculous thing ever said in an already ridiculous thread. You take the cake bro
They also bought the Gripens.
All their military equipment do have some out there, diferent (but pleasurable) aesthetics. A certain je ne sais quoi if you pardon my French
Meanwhile in service.
Mostly because of bribes, like everyone else who bought gripen
>underestimating the SAAB sales team
Is that... the tanker carrier?
Why did americans build Ford class carriers when they could have build 200 tanker carriers for 1/1000000 of the price?
It's a helicopter carrier at best, no way they can launch any fixed wing jet on that.
What is it even doing in Brazil? They waited a lot for this docking, surely they could have refueled somewhere else.
Ayatollah needs to project an appearance of global power to try and placate his people, even as Iranian women in the cities outside of Tehran literally go uncovered without penalties now
It's a tanker already, Iran figured out how to have a blue water navy
didn't the British do this in the Falklands?
IT CARRIES FAST ATTACK BOATS
PACK IT UP BOYS WE'RE DONE
THE PERSIAN EMPIRE HAS BEEN REBORN
BREAKING: it also has AA trucks
>a single huey
I am denormalized
brace yourself, they might be anti-ship missiles the Ghadir or Noor
Is that a hole in the top where a missile has hit previously?
Is that an RV?
I think it is this or that
my god it's a fucking floating clown car
imagine having to move the trucks around on the deck in the open sea
This is what Chang will do with his surface vessels in the "merchant navy" once WW3 kicks off. That's why they were pushing those shipping container weapon systems since they can just be lowered onto the deck and ran off it's own generator.
Gonna be interesting to see EVERY surface ship get fucking sank due to this.
It is amusing to contemplate how Argentina would have been Brazil's chief competitor if they hadn't fucked with Britain.
The whole era is sort of comical in retrospect, in the sense that Argentina, Brazil, Canada and the Netherlands all had carrier strike groups
>he doesn't know
what's the tactical advantages of leaving those containers covering the sides of the ship?
to protect from cannon/missile fire or protect from waves?
Disguise. It was a typical product of the Perfidious Anglo, have a carrier the enemy won't recognize until a fucking Lynx pops up and plants a Martel on your boat.
We converted a ship like that just after the war
Put trucks on ships? No I am fairly certain they did not.
so given vatnik's logic, can us army invade brazil now?
Who the fuck is talking about vatniks in here you cancerous tumour
media and glowies desperately shill Lula
Anything was better than that Bolsonaro imbecile. Anything.
>siding with third world failed states is better than having a right winger in power
you deserve what you get i suppose
Not any "right winger". The most idiotic, incompetent babbling fucktard to ever sit in the presidential chair in Brazil's entire history. The next election, I bet a normal "right winger" will be voted into power. One that is not such a ridiculous lolcow as Bolsonaro
He even made Globo side with Lula.
Globo has always been run by garden gnomes and other left leaning garbage. Anything not left leaning scars then because it remind them of the 1930s.
>let's completely fuck the country up so the gringo media won't laugh at us
You Brazilians who didn't vote for Bolsa deserve the life sentence you'll get when you try defending yourself from the feral favela dwellers. Idk much about Latin America but Bolsa was the best Latin elected leader I've seen.
>literally were trying to sellout to Israel
>Liked Trump so much to the point that it was seen as a subservient cuck even by right-wingers in Brazil
>wanted to sell key strategic assets to foreign corps
>personally interfered on federal investigation of their incompetent corrupt sons
>when lost the election, fled to Florida less than 24h later
Bolso is just as corrupt as Lula, but he was even worse that he was genuely embarassing with his subservience to foreign powers and almost isolation of Brazil diplomatically.
Lula at least knows how to play the Geopolitical game.
Lula only gets to play that game because the US has gotten out of the business of toppling or assassinating anyone who even smells anti-American down there.
More like they cared so much about the Middle East and Russia that they haven't seen China and Russia building bases and influence in Latin America.
They're nowhere near as omnipotent as they were in LATAM during the cold war.
I have no idea what you are talking about. There are no Chinese or Russian "bases" in Brazil. There are no US bases either. There will never be any foreign base on Brazilian soil, if not forcefully implemented. What happened is pretty simple:
1. After the end of the Cold War, the US indeed lost interest in Latin America. There was a decrease in investments and diplomatic relations.
2. The US have sometimes acted against Brazilian interests in several spheres, specially economic ones. But there are some US glowie covert actions against Brazil sometimes, like recently on the satellite launching program. Wikileaks is filled with US glowie actions against Brazilian interests.
2.1. This is not because the US is waging a secret, evil war against Brazil. It is simply because it goes against US foreign interests to have Brazil growing and distancing itself even further from its Latin American neighbors. This will potentially upset the balance that the US DoS wants to maintain in the region, so it throwns a wrench in Brazilian gears sometimes. This is known.
3. Meanwhile, China has become Brazil´s main trading partner, with the US taking an ever distancing second place. That does not mean Brazilian Armed Forces see the US as an enemy. Quite the contrary, actually.
The restriction on launch vehicles with american technology is about arms control and preventing brazil (an unreliable partner) from leaking tech to the chinese. In 2019 we signed a deal with the US to allow it under certain conditions, like giving them access to the base during sensitive launches.
I'd take any info from wikileaks with a huge grain of salt, as it's very obviously russian controlled.
There were no american technology on the VLS, if it were they would have never done the first launches in the first place.
Ironically Brazil's main partner in the space program is Germany, both countries are developing together a new rocket called VLM.
Are you one of these people who think the americans exploded the VLS, the rocket that had 0 successful launches ? It obviously had teething troubles.
Nope,the main problem with the VLS were the fuel sealant, it's a similar care to what happened with the Challenger actually.
Also one has to be a special kind of retard to not see that a south american country having an advanced rocket capabilities is something that's a big nono for the US govt.
Same goes for the entire nuclear program, the Navy and INB had to start from scratch because not only nobody was willing to help, they kept sending IAEA several times(a lot more than other countries) just to see if we weren't making nukes.
There's even a story of how in one of these "inspections", the technicians didn't wanted to revel their new centrifuge, so they took the old German one they bought in the 50's, refurbished and put in the place of the new one.
Idk if that's story is true or not, but it's fucking funny.
>Also one has to be a special kind of retard to not see that a south american country having an advanced rocket capabilities is something that's a big nono for the US govt.
I subscribe to the theory that south america is mostly inept and anything of relevance gets defunded by our retarded politicians. just look at the size and funding of the indian space program.
That's also true, but it's mainly on the political side.
It's already well known that the elites of this country abosolutely despise Brasil and they would rather pillage and sell everything to foreign corps just so they can feel like they're european, instead of you know... actually work to develop it.
We have a fuckton of great engineers here, but they talents just go to waste because of these morons in suits.
Yeah man, Brazil is just inept. The "Indian Space Program" that's where it is, bro. Look at the size and scope of it, India superpower by 2025 for sure. Just leave inept Brazil alone
>There were no american technology on the VLS, if it were they would have never done the first launches in the first place
Those American transvestite generals in high heels straight out sabotaged it. Old news. Let's just keep slowly working. There's only so much our best friends can do.
Oh yeah, fun fact about this brazillian technological marvel that was apparently co-developed with russia - It had 4 stages of solid boosters. If america is so terrible and BRICS is so based, why didn't they give us their 1960's liquid fuel engine technology ? I'm no rocket scientist but i think there's a reason no rocket is built on solid stages today.
It was actually Ukraine and it was a waste of fucking money because Ukraine weren't delivering the necessary parts.
That page says nothing about VLS and cyclone is supposed to be a bigger, liquid fueled rocket. you're just telling me that ukraine has a more ambitious program than ours.
this mentions russia as the partner - https://pt.wikipedia.org/wiki/Programa_Cruzeiro_do_Sul
Solid fuel is pretty much only used for weapons nowadays, it's cheap and easier to make but also means your vehicle is a big stick of dynamite, while a liquid fueled vehicle is more efficient and only gets it's fuel when it's expected to launch. That's my limited understanding of it.
The Cyclone was a waste of the little money AEB had because they reformed the launch station after the VLS and then the Ukranians simply couldn't afford building the rockets to be launched from Alcântara.
Also both VSB-30 and VLM uses solid fuel and they're used for civilian purposes.... so far.
has, dilma cancelled the partnership but the rockets are apparently still planned to be launched elsewhere.
>Also both VSB-30 and VLM uses solid fuel and they're used for civilian purposes
And they're both glorified missiles in an age where reusable vehicles exist, space launch catapults are being developed and expenditure is going up across the board. Good luck catching up.
We could try to increase our budget, but blaming the anglo is free.
>And they're both glorified missiles in an age where reusable vehicles exist, space launch catapults are being developed and expenditure is going up across the board. Good luck catching up.
>glofiried long range missiles
>long range missiles
Do you really need a drawing?
Maybe i do ? Not sure what you're trying to imply here.
Is it that these two could be weaponized ? i believe neither have the mass for it. The reason we don't build bigger ones is because we have a shoestring budget, as I've already demonstrated.
Do you think things will magically come to be with no money ? guiana space center is a thing, nobody actually needs us.
I do believe you have a strong point on Brazil having no allies. That one struck a chord. Brazil should keep at it, slowly building it up, it is on the right track, that much is clear. Yeah the budget must be tight, but they do what they can, and kinda hope for the best, and they're already the 4th largest global exporter of light weaponry, which is a pretty comfy position to be in. And they have been doing it quietly, abiding by all treaties and vetos, without much fanfare, no Indian "superpower" bullshit, despiste taking the occasional kick in the teeth from their greatest friends up North.
Wait, I thought solid fuel is the current meta while liquid fuel is obsolete, taking too much time to prepare or something? Did I remember it wrong?
>If america is so terrible and BRICS is so based, why didn't they give us their 1960's liquid fuel engine technology ?
Nobody is saying America is terrible. At least no sensible Brazilian would. Nobody is saying the BRICs are great either. It is what it is.
>american technology is about arms control and preventing brazil (an unreliable partner)
It is not an unreliable partner at all. It has exchanged weapons technology with Germany for ages, it has straight out bought the Gripen project from Sweden, and it has heavily dealt with nuclear technology with France with at least 15 years. I don't know how more reliable than that you can get. The USA just doesn't want Brazil to get even further ahead of the rest of the region. It is against the US of A interests to have such a heavily dominating nation in their backyard. So you keep fucking Brazil up in front of curtains or behind the scenes every chance you get, while pretending to be friends. Brazil pretends to believe this charade of yours, and nowadays China is its main priority partner. We may be backward, but we're not that stupid, nobody is.
>It is against the US of A interests to have such a heavily dominating nation in their backyard
And I do not mean a "superpower" by the Indian sense, not at all. Just a regular country that is so far ahead of its frontier nations like Bolivia and Guyana that it naturally dictates whatever it wants torwards those. US DoS and its glowies do not want that and they will kill their own mothers to avoid it. Newsflash, huh
And they want Brazil to be worried about Ukraine lmfao
>It is not an unreliable partner at all.
Brazil also obeys any technology veto to the letter. Case in point the 28 Guaranis for Philippines. Germany raises a finger, Pinoys get nothing. "Unreliable partner" my ass. More reliable than 90% of America's dictatorship "partners". Europe knows Brazil is solid as a rock, and every military deal shows it. But we are also "friends" with America. Come on, American "friend", give me a high five
It is the US that is the "unreliable partner" lmfao
>I'd take any info from wikileaks with a huge grain of salt, as it's very obviously russian controlled.
all those privacy advocates turning into shills for another surveillance state kills me inside, you just KNOW that debate will be brought in the future as the police state evolves, remember how snowden confirmed without a doubt teh guberment is spying on you? yea well hes just a russian shill now lole
Reminder that the Air Force were about to buy F-18's when the Snowden case exploded and it was revealed that the US were spying on Dilma for years.
i wouldn't say snowden is a russian shill exactly, his first leaks were of public interest. i would not listen to anything he says now that he fled to russia. if you're worried about police states i would more skeptical of the media from the countries that are actual authoritarian shitholes.
He talked a constant stream of stupid shit and had 0 political savviness. That's the basic gist of it.
They're absolutely comparable in the sense that both were illegal wars built on lies, which is not what lula was saying at all and that's why it's retarded.
Brazil isn't entitled to american tech. Maybe you should trade for it in exchange for support on NATO issues if you really want it, otherwise you can stop complaining and playing the victim.
It is not like that anymore, bro.
None of this shit will happen. Why don't you leave?
You cultist foreigners are so gay.
>Everybody has to buy a rifle! Armed people will never be enslaved. I know it costs a lot. An idiot says: 'Ah, what you have to buy is beans,' if you don't want to, don't buy the rifle, but do not come to disturb whoever wants to buy it.
>There will be no gun legalization in this country. What do you need guns for? Brazil needs books, not guns. I am 76 years old and never had any interest in owning a gun. I have faith in God and in my own behavior. Brazil does not want guns. We want peace and security for our people.
Bolsonaro botched even the gun rights part. He mixed the olfag CACs with a bunch of ridiculous noob Rambo wannabes. Now we old CACs will all pay the price along with the good-for-nothing nuCACs.
>the problem with gun ownership is there's too many gun owners
See that fuckin' X up at the top right corner?
I bet you are one of those clownish nuCACs that made the ranges unsafe for us to use with our families. I can't wait to get rid of your ilk. I am all for gun rights for the responsible Brazilian citizen. It was the way it was done, it was flat out retarded, Bolsonaro couldn't even get that right, everything the man touches turn instantly into shit
This, these nu-CAC's now are filled with subhumans who want to LARP as americans and keep carrying their guns in public when it's still fucking illegal.
We had something great ongoing, but these subhumans ruined everything.
Bro, they literally stink. I have a CR since the late 90s, my CR number is in the low dozens. We have aways had access to 223, 308, 45acp, 40s&w, the only thing we didn't have was 9mm but nobody cared. Some great IPSC comps with tricked out Imbel 40 cal 1911s. Any Brazilian citizen had access to this. We aways had. We had our Dillons to experiment with 6mm in our sporterized Mausers. Shooting ranges were all family safe, we had bbqs after the competitions.
Then came Bolsonaro and ruined it all. Now the lowest kind of subhuman tacticlown human trash has invaded it all, pointing their guns around and shooting themselves on their legs.
Instead of leaving the self-defense firearms and CCW in charge of the federal police, which is actually prepared for this, the Bolsocuck and his little prince sons decided to mix all these ridiculous, booted cammp wearing mongoloids with us, literally ruining it all.
>I have a CR since the late 90s, my CR number is in the low dozens.
That explains a lot.
You had your elitist club defilled, people flocked your range with G2c and cheap Taurus revolvers, you got butthurt and now you're telling the same "AAin u BoZun MiM TrAiu!!" bullshit.
I am so happy the likes of you are gone. I know the new regs will probably impact us, and I blame Bolsonaro's stupidity for that, but otoh I welcome the new regs. Most of you are already gone from the range, but I bet the new regs will simply erase you from my sight, God bless. Also, don't shoot your leg.
>I know the new regs will probably impact us, and I blame Bolsonaro's stupidity for that
Of course, you were never an armamentist to begin with. Hell, you're just a noguns gay for all we care.
>I am so happy the likes of you are gone.
Just gone from my sight, so our families can go to the range again, like we always did. You can take your nuGuns and pretend they were robbed, you can file out the numbers, you can stick them up you asshole, I don't care, just be gone out of my sight. Most of you are already gone, but I never want to see any of you ever again. Just disappear. You its coming lmfao
You soon won't have a gun range nor guns, thanks to your own vote, you complete troglodyte.
Literally have a nice day.
Lol. Lmfao. I have CCWed since you were kid, nufag
Nice larping gay.
Post guns with timestamp or it never happened.
No. You post your guns first, you drinking nuCAC gay. With timestamp. You should know how it goes.
I meant STINKIN nuCAC gay
>larping as an oldfag
>can't prove it
Lulasisters, did we get too cocky?
All we shooters want is your ilk stripped away of any rights. And we want it ASAP. And we're getting it, praise Our Lord Jesus Christ.
>how do we do fellow shooters
But you don't have any guns, gay larper.
Also, I didn't even vote. We had no options on this one
>Also, I didn't even vote.
Then you voted for him, gay.
Not really. But my conscience is clear. Voting for a piece of shit like Bolsonaro would be hard for me to swallow.
Not really o caralho. Assume que é petista, porra!
The only thing you like swallowing is Lula's dick, gay.
>The average leftard here still have the boomer leninist views
Completely false. The entire left-wing in Brazil has been taken over by progs and all left-wing policies in Brazil are dictated by globohomo progs agenda.
What we want is what we're getting: You, stripped of all rights. As fast as possible. We want the State LEOs to go medieval on nuCACs asses. And they will. And it is already happening. It is past due.
Let's make Brazilian shooting ranges great again.
Nice larping noguns gay.
My guy, fucking PCO has more sovereignty awareness than most politicians in this country.
The PCO guy aways comes up with some genius takes. It is a shame he is an unrepentant marxist.
The gringos can take all of the Amazon for all I care, as long as they also take the Northeast and every single other shithole state and nuke Brasilia.
At this point just leave.
Cope and seethe, parasites.
You are cancer
You should just move out somewhere. You are not welcome
Maybe in your shithole. Like it or not, every day that (very based) opinion becomes more and more popular in the South and South East, especially after how the Northeasterners voted en masse for the nine fingered thug.
Territorial integrity is vital for our Armed Forces and Federal Agencies. It has been so since the times of Pedro I. Any serious separatist movement will be quickly outlawed and persecuted at its roots with extreme prejudice. As aways. Why don't you move out somewhere? Canada takes in anybody, it's easy mode, why don't you try it?
>every day that (very based) opinion becomes more and more popular in the South and South East
Where? In your discord chud group?
>t-this insignificant party with no control over anything and is increasingly unpopular with leftists is sovereignty aware
Sweet mother of cope.
>says that the entire left wing is X
>proven that there is Y
It is insignificant on all levels, and it will remain so. But their main guy drops some blackpills now and then that are worth hearing, in a youtuber podcast kind of way.
really telling that you just come in here and drop this russian psyop
>alerts of the foreign interests in our country
>"nah bruh it's a Russian psyop"
all tankies are a russian psyop
if you say PCO really fast it even sounds like psyop
it could not be more obvious
You know its coming. GTFO
>guns for me but not for thee
have a nice day ASAP
It's posts like this that remind me that, no matter how much worse it may be compared to when my parents were my age, America is still the best damn country to live in by a long shot.
Nah, Australia is far better than your shithole.
What is Brazilball doing to Paraguayball?
Post gun, and CR with timestamp.
You should do it first. Just saying
>I am all for gun rights for the responsible Brazilian citizen.
Yeah right, and I'm the fucking king of England.
I bet you are one of those elitist gun club gays who bought a Glock/Sig and thinks he's the greatest rich gay in the land and simply despises anyone who shows up with a G2c.
>hurr I'm pro guns
>that's why I voted for the guys who wants to disarm me
Go back to plebbit, you subhuman disarmament cúck. You deserve the boot at every possible moment pathetic bitch.
as an american that owns a g3c just want you to know ur an immense gay
How do you like it?
In his defense I say the same thing about vehicles anon
Not every culture is going to view rights the way we do
>American is mad a Brazilian gun owner doesn’t like the way Brazil handled opening up gun ownership because of the Constitution or something
You suck dude
And you think this is winning. Which is why you should not be allowed to vote.
The fact that you think Lula, a convicted criminal, protected by an unelected and corrupt court, is gonna improve things, destroys your credibility.
Enjoy not being able to roll your windows down or stop at a traffic light for fear of socialist criminal carjackers, you certainly earned it.
>But what about this one case that happened AFTER the gun ban
Murder rate reached an all time low last year
genuinely thought pic was chris chan for a second
Rolling down your windows will soon be outlawed because it's "inefficient" and "bad for the environment"
>fudds in Brazil are also worthless fags
The FUDD is the same no matter the country.
>Anything was better than that Bolsonaro
Great Chinese famine brazil addition soon hopefully
He would have to make some extremely retarded decisions for that to happen
Imagine shilling for a socialist antichrist backed my armed criminal gangland murderers in the flavellas and telling legit tax payers they can't have firearms to protect you and your family.
You send your red shirts to murder people and ban self defense. Typical satanic socialist.
Sounds like a 2020 Biden supporter.
you talk about lula like he wasnt already president before, leaving with 70% approval ratings
>leaving under arrest for having embezzled $100 million
Notice that the leftist has no comeback for this one
What exactly was he doing wrong?
I dont know shit about brazil honestly.
>What exactly was he doing wrong?
That fuckers is just shilling for Lula like a good noguns leftcuck he is.
Many things to list. I´ll give it just a tiny, telling example, redditspace style, bear with me. Imajin your country has to endure its most utterly retarded leader in the last 200 years. Hard take, huh. Well, in March of 2019 Bolsonaro finally met Trump, and he was just ecstatic. He was just drooling over Trump. Trump abhors this shit, he prefers strenght (he loved Kim Jong-Il). The main Brazilian demand was to get US support for joining OECD. This would have granted some much needed muscle behind Brazilian agrobusiness and grain exports around the globe. The meeting was behing closed doors.
I truly believe if Trump opened up his zippers, got his dick out and told Bolsonaro to suck it, Bolsonaro did get on his knees and gave him a blowjob. I believe it without a hint of irony.
Meeting ends up, Trump zippers it up, and hints Brazil is joining the OECD. A few weeks later, the US votes support for Argentina (a decaying, rotting shell of a disaster country) for OECD. Brazil gets told to eat shit. That´s Bolsonaro´s accomplishments in a nutshell.
The Iranian "warships" look like shitty converted oil carriers. Even so, the whole affair is very strange. At first the dock was denied and the two Iranian vessels kept around the coast, waiting for authorization to dock. It took more than 10 days. Then it was finally authorized yesterday for them to dock until March 4th. The authorization decree was published on official government press, signed by a Brazilian Navy Admiral. There are some news of it in Brazilian press, but not a word on why these ships are even here. Why?
The UK is south Americas most powerful military.
>He immediately sides with Russia/Iran
He literally didn't, he's basically non-aligned which is nothing new and is still much more preferable to Bolsonaro.
It makes sense until you think about possible reasons why Ukraine was thinking of joining NATO.
It makes perfect sense. He also puts the blame on Putin and Saddam.
So why would Ukraine want to join NATO?
Because they perceive Russia as a threat, and by attempting to join NATO it triggered the invasion. It was a self fulfilling prophecy. There would’ve only been rhetoric and saber rattling if Ukraine didn’t make moves to join NATO
PrepHole is so compromised now that we have actual assholes defending communist gun banners lmao
One day you may wake up and realise western glowies do nothing.
What will you do then, when you realise all the damage in South America is self-inflicted and they have no-one to blame but themselves from sliding from being among the most advanced countries in the world to near-Africa tier?
>western glowies do nothing.
Let's not get ahead of ourselves here
They do a lot of hilariously retarded blunders half of the time and get ignored by the politicians they are supposed to advise the other half of the time.
glowies? in south america? preposterous!
>hey, you should consider the feelings of a foreign government who wants nothing more than to eternally oppress you and erase your culture before you make decisions about who you align and integrate with
What a fucking joke of a human being. Russia gets no say in the path Ukraine forges for itself. The Soviet empire is dead.
That's a massive chunk of Russia's border that's going to need significant attention if Ukraine joins Nato.
Besides, Russia warned that they'd invade a long time ago and Ukraine knew. They wanted Russia to invade.
But of course this posted is wasted on a shill like yourself.
> Besides, Russia warned that they'd invade a long time ago and Ukraine knew. They wanted Russia to invade.
So why is it Ukraines fault for wanting to join NATO, you vatnik shill?
>We want to invade you
>You want to join an alliance that would make invading you difficult and risk US getting invaded
It is literally not Brazil's problem
Then maybe it should keep its gay mouth shut
To be fair it was the western govt forcing our hands.
If he said nothing, people would complain, if he says something, people also complain.
There's no winning in those situations.
Lula did the exact same as done in the past when US invaded Iraq and Afghanistan.
Say you support neither side, sue for peace and everyone forgets about it.
That attitude is why your country is a shithole.
>Noo you must support every [current thing] even though it's on the other side of the world and has nothing to do with you
Why are you people like this?
>equating those two invasions
Lol subhuman moron
Yea bro Iraq was totally not a war that was started by lies, just like Ukraine.
>it’s still pushing it’s gay false equivalency
Lol you’re subhuman genetic trash.
Cope and Seethe, we'll never join your fag wars and there's nothing your decaying soon-to-be South Africa can do anything about it 😉
Gtfo, you chud nafo redditor. Your post stands out like you wouldn't believe
What is this heresy of Bocchi being the one dominating Kita?
Basically this, country no longer likes how the other country deals with things so decides to quit, the other country does the geopolitical equivalent of an abusive husband trying to beat into submission her wife "because it alwas was his".
It's actually funny how both leftists and vatniks talk about abuse and degeneracy yet they are the ones who always play the worst roles.
>replaced the swastika
greetings reddit. go back
what are the subs following them gonna do while docked? they'll get bored.
He's trying to make a false equivalency for 2 different conflicts. The answer he needs to show is
A)why would Ukraine join nato?
B)why would Ukraine appease to a foreign government if it wants closer ties to the west and a reinforced security?
There is no treaty or agreements the binds Ukraine from joining nato. Russia invaded Ukraine because Ukraine threatens its business and monopoly along with russia not considering ukraine as a real country.
Because Ukraine is an American puppet state used to funnel criminal money through as well as child prostitution.
Russia conducted the vast majority of criminal human trafficking in Ukraine.
Even during this war they stole a bunch of kids. Every Russian supporting moron like (you) should be lit on fire and sent straight to hell.
>Is Brazil the biggest fish in the South America pond? Didn't they have a nuclear subs program?
because that's not much of a compliment
BOLSONARO BAD GENTEEEEEEE
miss me with this reddit shit
he's not Hispanic, he's luso
why did they go to brazil instead of argentina when argentina is leans closer to china than brazil?
>western media doing anything purposefully
lol lmao even
>Iran parks some ships to refuel for their trip from Africa
>WAAAH BRAZIL IS IRAN ALIGNED
Why are you people like this?
Yes it's still happening.
I think last month they delivered another part for the prototype.
This has been going on since the late 70´s...
The nuclear program, yes.
The submarine didn't started until 2008.
Can't start a nuclear sub program without having the tech to produce and enrich uranium.
almost 350 feet long , 100 people crew but yet a baby little 100 MW core ? What the hell ? does this thing have 2 reactors ? that's the only way it would make sense to me
They wanna use a single model for several purposes, hence the name "RMB" which is an acronym for "Multi Purpose Reactor".
They wanna use to powerplants, medicine and nuclear subs.
The exact details of how much power it will make it's not entirely known, the military here always been pretty gay with not giving much information because "hurr durr super sekrit".
Absolutely based and 100% correct as he is making the NAFO trannies in this thread seethe.
USA is now justified in invading Brazil by his own logic.
The nafo trannies are so obvious. They appear in every unrelated thread spreading their nafo shit like blatant cancerous moles
Bolsonaro had the same international polices. At the end of the day Brazil is part of BRICS and does a lot of businesses with the rest of the world outside the US/EU sphere of influence.
At least Lula cares more about the rainforest, shame about going after guns though.
But it's still funny how the westerners thought Lula was a globohomo loving lefist to the point they shilled him massively.
He is very globohomo on social issues but still anti-American
That's it for real. Lula said it all, with zero fucks given about political correctness. Balls of steel. Who the fuck even knew about this crossdressing garden gnomelensky, now he is all around like some big shot. Why should anybody listen to this fucking guy, that's all he said.
It's completely retarded and he backpedalled from these statements btw. Brazil's official statement is that Russia is in the wrong the UN votes reflect that. but yeah, he's a moron who fails to understand why the war will continue.
Of course Brazil condemns the invasion, bro. There are some top people at the Brazilian diplomatic body that publically seethed about the Russian invasion, I can even give you their names. That does not make anything Lula said untrue. And he said it unofficially, I think he wasn't even elected yet
Watch the scholz press meeting, he admits there to have been "mistaken".
Ukraine would not have have made any moves to join NATO had russia not annexed crimea and unofficially deployed troops in 2014.
Based. I didn’t like the guy before but my respect for him has grown slightly. Who knew the most level headed take on this war would come from a huezillian
"Both sides are le bad"
incredible take, bro.
that's literally his take tho, and it's nonsensical. also "zelensky wants war because he didn't negotiate more" wtf is there to negotiate? Russia is trying to annex parts of his country.
that's like me saying give me all your money and suck my dick or I'll assrape you, and when you refuse I fuck you in the ass and say you must've wanted it because you didn't negotiate more.
>Who's this chud garden gnomelensky thinks he is?
>pressuring other countries to support his globohomo chud endeavors instead of suing for peace?
>No i won't send munitions nor sell you weapons
Lula is based and i didn't knew.
have a nice day, disarmament shill.
Stay seething 🙂
Go back to plebbit, noguns bootlicker.
I don't think he is a noguns. He's just a gay government parasite who wants to ban guns so civilians can't ruin his heckin' family friendly hobby.
Yep, he might actually be a faggy fed larping as an oldfag.
He's gonna lose his hobby for his gayry.
Too bad for them. Civilians* will just keep buying their guns from the black market and a lot of Paraguayan bros are going to get rich as fuck.
*Not me, of course. I would never ever break the law!
>Civilians* will just keep buying their guns from the black market and a lot of Paraguayan bros are going to get rich as fuck.
We don't care. Stick your illegal guns up your mother's asshole for all I care. Just get away from our sight. GTFO
>How dare you plebs disturb muh heckin' wholesome hobby!
>We don't care
Your seething says otherwise, larper.
You've never even been to a gun club, lmao.
Here is what will happen: PT will strip all your rights overnight, by decree. And you will become a criminal overnight just for having these shitty nuGuns of yours. And then you will be at the whims of State Police. As soon as they want it, they will just raid your home. And they won´t send those old traffic cops, they will send a team, tru Brazilian Cops, with some old grizzled fuckers and those young team cops, eager for their first legal kills. And they will raid your home and wreck all your shit and step on your wife´s underpanties. It is less than what you deserve. You deserve much worse. It is past due and it will happen. The likes of you should just disappear. You already have largely disappeared from the ranges but you should get flat out exterminated praise Our Lord Jesus. Out of my sight please.
>brazil's most popular leader seeks a return to socialism
>I never has a gun, and neither will you
>Lula is based and i didn't knew.
I don't think he is based at all. But what he said is spot on
Care to elaborate what's spot-on about it ?
Zelensky wanting to pull other countries that has nothing to do with Ukraine into the war to the point where some of Ukranian officicial calling for sanctions and punishment.
Like they tried with India and other countries that still hold businesses with Russia, like Brazil.
Why shouldn't they call for punishment over the (second) illegal invasion of their country ?
what even goes inside your head ?
>Russia is invading my country!?
>Let's punish these guys who have nothing to it!
They called for it, doesn't mean it's gonna happen. Do i think it should happen ? yeah. There's no such thing as neutrality in international diplomacy.
>There's no such thing as neutrality in international diplomacy.
Spain and Ireland, Axis champions 1939-1945
Brazil was not neutral during that
They do and you're only going to be able to play both sides for so long before you're forced to pick one. Imagine thinking that WWIII will break out and trade will resume as normal for a country of this size.
If WWIII truly breaks out, I truly believe Brazil is gonna side with NATO.
>I truly believe Brazil is gonna side with NATO.
Brazil cannot afford to go against NATO, so at most they would just be neutral
Brasil wasn't neutral because we were forced to join, Germany attacked our ships.
Before that Vargas was still negotiating with both sides for gibs.
Also stop thinking this shithole has any importance for any of the sides wanting it on their when WW3 happens.
>Also stop thinking this shithole has any importance for any of the sides wanting it on their when WW3 happens.
Yeah, pretty much. Leave us alone, please.
>le "you're either with us or with them" mentality
Thanks for outing youself, underage.
Most of the world doesn't give a fuck about Ukraine, kid.
Ground yourself to earth, face reality. There is no neutral position. You always benefit one side more than the other.
>Muh you're under aged
Pathetic midwit post.
>There's no such thing as neutrality in international diplomacy
There really is. Slava Ukraine and all, the war should end and shit. But I won't sell you any weaponry because you are just not important for me. I don't care that much. The Arabs got the raw end of the stick and we let it be. Neutrality.
>There's no such thing as neutrality in international diplomacy.
Doesn't this mean that India, China and Brazil are actually NATO shills for refusing to arm and directly endorse Russia?
Yeah, in NAFO's warped mind, that's exactly what it means.
India and china are very much in russia's camp and haven't done more in fear of economic repercussion. Or do you really believe all the cope around here of china secretly being on the west's side ?
Brazilian position on the Ukraine war cannot be fairly compared to China's and India. Brazil has officially condemned the invasion on all international forums. Yeah, Lula talked it real on some magazine interview, but that has no standing on the nation's official position.
It's funny reading the comments in BR media.
>Brasil condemns war
>Comments: Waaah Brazil sold itself, USA puppet, no sovereingty etc...
>Brasil lets Iran dock their ships
>Comments: WAAH Brazil is now siding the evil countries!, Commies took over!, We're gonna get sanctions noooo!!!
The schizo virus really got us hard.
The entire Brazilian media is heavily on Ukraine's side. And here we have NAFO trannies comparing the Brazilian position with China and India this is just flat out wrong
True, but i'm talking about the average person.
They're doomposting without knowing they are.
It's mostly boomers with too much time on their hands, but still, it's funny.
The average Brazilian citizen doesn't give a single fuck about this "Ukraine" whatever-that-is crap. They didn't care about the Arab raghead family senseless slaughter either. Brazil hasn't had a real war since the 1860s, when its troops genocided 80% of Paraguay's male population.
My point was that China and India are very much in the not neutral camp despite not being directly involved. I understand that Brazil is not comparable.
>globohomo chud endeavors
This is an apt description of the entire brazilian left-wing
>entire left wing
The average leftard here still have the boomer leninist views, the only reason they let globohomo in is to get votes from the youth.
Just like how conservatives around the world let literal nazis join in, to get more votes from the youth.
The polarization was a mistake.
Hows am being English lesson do Ivan?
Guns in brazil are a lost cause and retards here would be perfectly happy to live in a police state if it meant security. It only takes a single incident where some idiot shotguns a bunch of people over losing a bet for media to pounce on it, it's utterly hopeless.
>monkey couldn't control himself and went on a rampage
>WAAAH IS DA MEDIA!!!
trolls trolling trolls trolling trolls, holy shit
They got that Drug Money
What can't they buy?
Why is this even news?
Brasil and Iran has normal diplomatic relations and it's not uncommon for warships of other countries to stop for a visit.
If you strip the NAFO transvestites out of it, the question is why? These shitty Iranian "military" vessels have waited for days to dock. They were finally permitted to do so, after a series of denials. They really wanted to dock in Brazil
everyone must go to brazil, eventually.
>Don't understand why presidents try to ally themselves in times of conflict
El 3er mundo no tiene futuro.
He wasn't a president when he dropped the blackpill
>Didn't they have a nuclear subs program?
With the help of France yes. The Prosub programme.
But giving how much Bolsonaro and his buttbuddies have insulted France, I'm not really sure anymore.
>But giving how much Bolsonaro and his buttbuddies have insulted France
Bolsonaro is the cringest of the cringe.
PROSUB is already 3 subs in, too late and France won't lose yet anothet multibillion dollar deal because of some cringelord using France as a scapegoat for his own incompetence.
Plus the LABGENE parts are still getting delivered periodically.
Brazil hasn't built an atom bomb yet because the US and the Brazilian constitution expressly forbids it. It is 1940s tech by now, even a physics highschool teacher knows how to do It.
Acsually, some IME guy managed to discover how to build a W87 warhead.
Hues build weapons rather than fix their economy though they have no enemies and no one else wants the place.
>how dare you develop your own technology and sell it for profit
Did you know Brazil has TIGERS?
>Hues build weapons rather than fix their economy
We just like them, bro
>comparing harboring weapons of mass destructions to wanting to join an economic union
damn this bro is actually retarded
How many of the Bolsosisters in this thread voted for him because of the "da commies are going to turn your kid gay" Culture War shit he pushed?
>Then the U.S. and Europe should have said: “Ukraine won’t join NATO.”
They offered this to Russia long before the invasion
>The other issue was Ukraine joining the E.U. The Europeans could have said: “No, now is not the moment for Ukraine to join the E.U., we’ll wait.”
Who the fuck is Russia to prevent anyone from joining the EU?
We should sell some GMLRS to Iran.
Just send them the launchers and missiles and they figure out a chassis to put it in so the sale doesn't get veto'd.
In our day and age, Brazil could simply not stand economic sanctions from China. Economic sanctions from the US would be simply imperceptible to general population. But Brazil's real friends are America, red white and blue
The blackpill is that Brazil doesn't really have friends.
US always fucked us over or blocked shit, Europe been stalling for over 20 years for the Mercosul-EU deal to go through and China is yet to do it.
Plus our neighbors sees us as cashcows who will save their 4th world economies(looking at you Argiemorons) or they are either Russian bootlickers(Venezuela) and American bootlickers (Colombia).
Geographically speaking, South America is the best, but also the worst place at the same time,
>Geographically speaking, South America is the best, but also the worst place at the same time,
Brazil's natural destiny is to straight out dominate all those dozen microcountries. Brazil would have already long done so, if not for our main ally's , our dearest friend's blatant interference.
dominate how? to get what out of it?
not worth the hassle and also language/cultural barrier
How do you make friends as a neutral party ?
Take the example of the space program, we want a technological exchange with china/russia, it means the americans don't give us anything. Does china even want to give us anything given our relationship with NATO members ? would that relationship be compromised if we deepened the relationship with BRICS ? We want a trade deal with the EU, it means putting mercosur on the sidelines or dealing with every single country in the block (which takes forever). The current president loves mercosur and thinks it's gonna be the next EU (lol), the next one doesn't give a shit because it's economically useless. (we have no geopolitical strategy that lasts longer than a presidential term) We take a middling stance on ukraine which buys us no favors with either party.
Having a neutral friend is like having a polyamorous wife, maybe you're with her because that's all you can get, but what does Brazil have that no one else does ?
The US fucks Brazil every chance it gets. But rest assured, they are Brazil's main allies.
>Is Brazil the biggest fish in the South America pond?
That's be the Royal Navy
>Didn't they have a nuclear subs program?
Yeah, but it didn't pan out. The only major export product Brazil has these days is transsexual prostitutes with white guy fetishes.
>The only major export product Brazil has these days is transsexual prostitutes with white guy fetishes.
Adam Smith's invisible hand. They just go where the market dictates. I hear they are a smash hit in the US, they make fortunes
Nuclear sub still going on, stop taking things out of your ass, faglord.
Yeah, same way the Indians have a carrier, lol.
But... they do?
I'm lost here.
It's a useless piece of shit which immediately burst into flames on its maiden voyage.
Nothing you said is accurate you bong has been. You got a bunch of your ships sunk by Brazils Canada.
racism is against the rules, bro
ay carumba, let us eat the tacos!
Brazil has been sinking some of their own old carriers here and there, has it not?
We just sunk our old one, because it was from the 50's and filled with asbestos, no one wanted to recycle it, sadly. We have a heli carrier now.
Lmao garden gnomes can’t help themselves.
With garden gnomes, you lose!
>verification not required
This is your brain on low third world DNA lmao. They all have the same exact scared pussy way of avoiding responsibility and pinning it on their boogeymen.
Being a lefist is truly the final demarcation for personal failure and inferiority.
The most blackpilled take one should make now woth Papa Lula back is that its boom time to be a ladrao again. Por que seguir as leis em um país sem pena de morte?
Marine's JLTV have been delivered this week.
Looks fugly ogre
I just think it's retarded how the Navy goes for JLTV when the Army are using Brasil-made LMV's.
Now that's much nicer. Brazilian stuff aways has some quirky nice aesthetics.
I liked the Guará more, should have won the contract.
Brazilian Navy aways wants to be different and generally goes for US equipment
If you really squint your eyes, they try really hard to look like US Marines.
>PAGST just like the US Marines
90's US Marines, but with green camo.
Their loss. Meanwhile, the Army does its own thing and it does it better.
That's SF, normal infantry looks like this, except the lasertag thingy on the helmet.
Wich is ironic since they are the least well funded of all three branches.
Lol they really are just larping as US Marines.
The Navy is just an odd duck. And Brazilian Marines (part of Brazilian Navy) are the most underfunded of all branches. Severely underfunded.
Nobody even knows why we bought this piece of shit monstrosities
Marines bought it because reasons, same way on how the Army bought Javelins even though they already had bought Spike ER's.
For me, the most kino are the State Police SWAT groups.
Why they LARP as they're in afghanistan now?
Come on, not really. These are state policemen, not part of BAF. Rest assured there is no LARPing in those fuckers activities. I specially like the fact that these are cops that carry no handguns.
He probably bought all that gear with his own money tbh
>these are cops that carry no handguns.
Only in Brazil
But those are not really directly involved in the Armed Forces. The war they fight is a very different one.
Brazilian cops never fail on the kino