Exactly the same as the real world. Russia's Noooks are all degraded to uselessness and are not a factor.
>NATO stops at the Russian border because occupying Russia would be a pain in the ass compared to just kicking them out of Ukraine.
Yes,
There will never be an invasion of Russia for the same reason there will never be an invasion of North Korea. Russia and North Korea have nothing of value; or at least nothing worth having to directly interact with Russians or North Koreans to get access to.
>nothing of value
They literally are probably one of the most resource rich countries in the world world's largest NG reserves made even less sense to invade Iraq with what the US had
>nothing of value
They literally are probably one of the most resource rich countries in the world world's largest NG reserves made even less sense to invade Iraq with what the US had
>literally are probably one of the most resource rich countries
>The collective west can defeat any conventional military, however they can't actually win wars. >Name one country post WWII
here is a good time to be reminded that US hasn't declared a war since 1942 against Kingdoms of Romania, Bulgaria and Hungary
yes, this board is filled with zoomers that don't think before they give a dozen replies to a shit post, and wouldn't have the capacity to notice details like this even if they did
They don't have any units fighting on the front lines, you make it sounds like it's a joint operation, when it's kacaps sending Serbs, Belarussians, Syrians and whatever other dregs they can to die there.
Yes NATO has no units fighting in the front line but it doesn't mean their support is shit when you get real time intelligence and logistical support its like how to say ukrane is the person with the hammer that makes decisions on how to frick up the target while NATO is the coordinator on where to wheld that hammer to be most effective
For fun, lets pretend Muscovy really did revamp its forces and stuck the professionalization and anti-corruption. Lets pretend it wasnt just 10 years of bullshit, lets pretend Putin was able to get control of the situation and had good intentions towards Russia.
Let's play pretend like the ex KGB guys didn't spend every waking moment from 1991 onwards murdering and stealing the military and nation to death.
and on top of all that, lets pretend Russia spent its money as wisely as possible, and got excellent bang for their buck...and for maximum pretend, we wave a fricking wand and assume they can manufacture everything domestically 100%, or at least much as the French do, for land and air. And that their vaunted close range AAA works good against what it is designed to work against.
So playing pretend and acting like Putin truly was the savior from the bad times of the 1990s.....
We slap the Turks in the face first of all, and second all we load up every available piece of floating steel in the USN+NATO navies and sail for the Black Sea and the Baltic Sea with some spare sent to the Arctic.
We have PGM spam the entirety of European Russia into darkness. And PGM spam the majority of the Russian land forces into practically nothing and the Russian Air force into nonexistence. Russia inflicts significant casualties, much more than Iraq or Vietnam.
But thats it. Thats all they manage. Perhaps Russia even sinks 2 entire USN CVGNs and some extras on the side. Perhaps Russia renders the French navy crippled for decades.
And that would be an amazing performance...But its the 2020s. PGMs have reach an economy of scale so good that we could do all the economic damage done in WWII by air in 3 months at 1/20th the relative industrial effort and 1/50th total costs, inflation adjusted.
In this timeline they might have actually put money into their military rather than spending money on paying diplomats to say NOOK. So maybe they last longer. They'd probably still be just as corrupt though, so I doubt it.
>no nuclear threat >NATO gives Ukraine tanks and planes in March 2022 >war ends in 2022
That's assuming the state of Russian army is as pathetic in this hypothetical timeline.
>NATO >"Former Czech prime minister and presidential candidate Babis has just said that he will not send soldiers to Poland, Estonia, Lithuania and Latvia if Russia attacks them if he becomes president," Jozwiak reported.
Babis is a spineless rat who will say anything he thinks his "gullible moron" voter base wants to hear at the time >if he becomes president
never going to happen because this guy will win
with Reagan-Mondale tier margin at that
Really depends on the scenario. If everyone involved is on board with it and there are no major political squabbles I can't see how Russia would win this.
For lack of industrial capacity if nothing else.
>country with a massive amount of natural resources and an authoritarian government brutally attacks democratic neighbor
You'd have marines inside of Moscow within a month
Taking this chance to repost this gem of a deleted comment. >Dude a single bomb is only worth a day-long strategic bombing operation involving hundreds of bombers and escorts, they're not that good bro >Bro in my headcanon US generals totally saw the Atom Bomb as useless and that's totally why we invested into the creation of thousands of nuclear warheads bro.
God some of the utterly insane bait this board has, is out of this world.
More or less like 1991 all over again but with more ineffective rocket attacks against European population centers.
Also, NATO stops at the Russian border because occupying Russia would be a pain in the ass compared to just kicking them out of Ukraine.
decapitating the country and occupying their capital wouldn't be a problem, the nation is so centralized anyway, that city basically is the country
Desert storm but european
Exactly the same as the real world. Russia's Noooks are all degraded to uselessness and are not a factor.
>NATO stops at the Russian border because occupying Russia would be a pain in the ass compared to just kicking them out of Ukraine.
Yes,
There will never be an invasion of Russia for the same reason there will never be an invasion of North Korea. Russia and North Korea have nothing of value; or at least nothing worth having to directly interact with Russians or North Koreans to get access to.
>nothing of value
They literally are probably one of the most resource rich countries in the world world's largest NG reserves made even less sense to invade Iraq with what the US had
>literally are probably one of the most resource rich countries
exactly, did you know russia has tigers?
Nato literally lost to every country with decent soviet hardware, and now they are fricking incapable to help Ukraine.
What about figuratively?
mega cope
They only lost after all that soviet hardware was destroyed, soviet hardware confirmed worse than nothing
So they'll occupy it for a decade or two, take 1/20th the casualties as the insurgents and then leave it for the Chechens to overrun. Cool.
>they are fricking incapable to help Ukraine.
They are barely trying.
The collective west can defeat any conventional military, however they can't actually win wars.
Name one country post WWII that received western military intervention, and didn't end up worse than it started.
Literally everything NATO touches turns to dogshit.
Korea 50%
The British did successfully prevent communist revolution in Malaysia and Kenya but that was before independence
Kosovo
Israel unironically , say what you will about Israel but we all know Id be a third world country if the arabs won
The West can and does win wars. It's just that they have unrealistic expectations of what winning means.
Grenada
Panama
And everything Russia touches turns into more Russia which is objectively worse.
>The collective west can defeat any conventional military, however they can't actually win wars.
>Name one country post WWII
here is a good time to be reminded that US hasn't declared a war since 1942 against Kingdoms of Romania, Bulgaria and Hungary
post ammo depot in HIMARS range ivan
>Baghdad
>Saigon
>NATO
yes, this board is filled with zoomers that don't think before they give a dozen replies to a shit post, and wouldn't have the capacity to notice details like this even if they did
it would never have started
2014 would never have happened.
>NATO + Ukraine
Keep pushing this shit, vatnik, while the khokhols continue pushing your shit in on their lonesome.
It's not a shill it real due NATO provides equipment and intel to ukies while they do the rest of the work for us
They don't have any units fighting on the front lines, you make it sounds like it's a joint operation, when it's kacaps sending Serbs, Belarussians, Syrians and whatever other dregs they can to die there.
Yes NATO has no units fighting in the front line but it doesn't mean their support is shit when you get real time intelligence and logistical support its like how to say ukrane is the person with the hammer that makes decisions on how to frick up the target while NATO is the coordinator on where to wheld that hammer to be most effective
>it doesn't mean their support is shit
That's not what was being implied.
For fun, lets pretend Muscovy really did revamp its forces and stuck the professionalization and anti-corruption. Lets pretend it wasnt just 10 years of bullshit, lets pretend Putin was able to get control of the situation and had good intentions towards Russia.
Let's play pretend like the ex KGB guys didn't spend every waking moment from 1991 onwards murdering and stealing the military and nation to death.
and on top of all that, lets pretend Russia spent its money as wisely as possible, and got excellent bang for their buck...and for maximum pretend, we wave a fricking wand and assume they can manufacture everything domestically 100%, or at least much as the French do, for land and air. And that their vaunted close range AAA works good against what it is designed to work against.
So playing pretend and acting like Putin truly was the savior from the bad times of the 1990s.....
We slap the Turks in the face first of all, and second all we load up every available piece of floating steel in the USN+NATO navies and sail for the Black Sea and the Baltic Sea with some spare sent to the Arctic.
We have PGM spam the entirety of European Russia into darkness. And PGM spam the majority of the Russian land forces into practically nothing and the Russian Air force into nonexistence. Russia inflicts significant casualties, much more than Iraq or Vietnam.
But thats it. Thats all they manage. Perhaps Russia even sinks 2 entire USN CVGNs and some extras on the side. Perhaps Russia renders the French navy crippled for decades.
And that would be an amazing performance...But its the 2020s. PGMs have reach an economy of scale so good that we could do all the economic damage done in WWII by air in 3 months at 1/20th the relative industrial effort and 1/50th total costs, inflation adjusted.
Russia was left behind. Point fricking blank.
>We
you mean Americans, without the US, Nato is a meme
>without the US, Nato is a meme
You mean California, New York and Texas.
Without them, the US are a meme
>Without them, the US are a meme
You mean the bay area and NYC.
Without them, California and New York are a meme.
In this timeline they might have actually put money into their military rather than spending money on paying diplomats to say NOOK. So maybe they last longer. They'd probably still be just as corrupt though, so I doubt it.
>no nuclear threat
>NATO gives Ukraine tanks and planes in March 2022
>war ends in 2022
That's assuming the state of Russian army is as pathetic in this hypothetical timeline.
If there were no Nukes, NATO probably would have just gone in.
I doubt China would be okay with it.
NATO has to rush Moscow to protect it from China and India.
>NATO
>"Former Czech prime minister and presidential candidate Babis has just said that he will not send soldiers to Poland, Estonia, Lithuania and Latvia if Russia attacks them if he becomes president," Jozwiak reported.
Babis is a spineless rat who will say anything he thinks his "gullible moron" voter base wants to hear at the time
>if he becomes president
never going to happen because this guy will win
with Reagan-Mondale tier margin at that
Do not underestimate Babis' ability to rig the election.
Really depends on the scenario. If everyone involved is on board with it and there are no major political squabbles I can't see how Russia would win this.
For lack of industrial capacity if nothing else.
>country with a massive amount of natural resources and an authoritarian government brutally attacks democratic neighbor
You'd have marines inside of Moscow within a month
6 month of bombings and Russia freezes to death. Than next summer 3 week thunder run into the zone.
Poland and Ukraine alone could frick Russia.
In a universe with no nukes Russia wouldn't even exist.
Nonsense question
No nukes => The USSR steamrolls Europe instead of stopping at Germany and takes Japan for itself
Taking this chance to repost this gem of a deleted comment.
>Dude a single bomb is only worth a day-long strategic bombing operation involving hundreds of bombers and escorts, they're not that good bro
>Bro in my headcanon US generals totally saw the Atom Bomb as useless and that's totally why we invested into the creation of thousands of nuclear warheads bro.
God some of the utterly insane bait this board has, is out of this world.