In an alternate timeliness with no nukes how fast does Russia

Lose in a full scale war between NATO + Ukraine and what does this look like?

  1. 4 days ago
    Anonymous

    More or less like 1991 all over again but with more ineffective rocket attacks against European population centers.

    Also, NATO stops at the Russian border because occupying Russia would be a pain in the ass compared to just kicking them out of Ukraine.

    • 3 days ago
      Anonymous

      decapitating the country and occupying their capital wouldn't be a problem, the nation is so centralized anyway, that city basically is the country

  2. 4 days ago
    Anonymous

    Desert storm but european

  3. 4 days ago
    Anonymous

    Exactly the same as the real world. Russia's Noooks are all degraded to uselessness and are not a factor.

    >NATO stops at the Russian border because occupying Russia would be a pain in the ass compared to just kicking them out of Ukraine.
    Yes,
    There will never be an invasion of Russia for the same reason there will never be an invasion of North Korea. Russia and North Korea have nothing of value; or at least nothing worth having to directly interact with Russians or North Koreans to get access to.

    • 4 days ago
      Anonymous

      >nothing of value
      They literally are probably one of the most resource rich countries in the world world's largest NG reserves made even less sense to invade Iraq with what the US had

    • 4 days ago
      Anonymous

      >nothing of value
      They literally are probably one of the most resource rich countries in the world world's largest NG reserves made even less sense to invade Iraq with what the US had

      >literally are probably one of the most resource rich countries

      exactly, did you know russia has tigers?

  4. 4 days ago
    Anonymous

    Nato literally lost to every country with decent soviet hardware, and now they are fucking incapable to help Ukraine.

    • 4 days ago
      Anonymous

      What about figuratively?

    • 4 days ago
      Anonymous

      mega cope

    • 4 days ago
      Anonymous

      They only lost after all that soviet hardware was destroyed, soviet hardware confirmed worse than nothing

    • 4 days ago
      Anonymous

      So they'll occupy it for a decade or two, take 1/20th the casualties as the insurgents and then leave it for the Chechens to overrun. Cool.

    • 4 days ago
      Anonymous

      >they are fucking incapable to help Ukraine.
      They are barely trying.

    • 4 days ago
      Anonymous

      The collective west can defeat any conventional military, however they can't actually win wars.

      Name one country post WWII that received western military intervention, and didn't end up worse than it started.

      Literally everything NATO touches turns to dogshit.

      • 4 days ago
        Anonymous

        Korea 50%

        The British did successfully prevent communist revolution in Malaysia and Kenya but that was before independence

      • 4 days ago
        Anonymous

        Kosovo

      • 4 days ago
        Anonymous

        Israel unironically , say what you will about Israel but we all know Id be a third world country if the arabs won

      • 3 days ago
        Anonymous

        The West can and does win wars. It's just that they have unrealistic expectations of what winning means.

      • 3 days ago
        Anonymous

        Grenada
        Panama

      • 3 days ago
        Anonymous

        And everything Russia touches turns into more Russia which is objectively worse.

      • 3 days ago
        Anonymous

        >The collective west can defeat any conventional military, however they can't actually win wars.
        >Name one country post WWII
        here is a good time to be reminded that US hasn't declared a war since 1942 against Kingdoms of Romania, Bulgaria and Hungary

    • 4 days ago
      Anonymous

      post ammo depot in HIMARS range ivan

    • 3 days ago
      Anonymous

      >Baghdad
      >Saigon
      >NATO

      • 3 days ago
        Anonymous

        yes, this board is filled with zoomers that don't think before they give a dozen replies to a shit post, and wouldn't have the capacity to notice details like this even if they did

  5. 4 days ago
    Anonymous

    it would never have started
    2014 would never have happened.

  6. 4 days ago
    Anonymous

    >NATO + Ukraine
    Keep pushing this shit, vatnik, while the khokhols continue pushing your shit in on their lonesome.

    • 4 days ago
      Anonymous

      It's not a shill it real due NATO provides equipment and intel to ukies while they do the rest of the work for us

      • 4 days ago
        Anonymous

        They don't have any units fighting on the front lines, you make it sounds like it's a joint operation, when it's kacaps sending Serbs, Belarussians, Syrians and whatever other dregs they can to die there.

        • 4 days ago
          Anonymous

          Yes NATO has no units fighting in the front line but it doesn't mean their support is shit when you get real time intelligence and logistical support its like how to say ukrane is the person with the hammer that makes decisions on how to fuck up the target while NATO is the coordinator on where to wheld that hammer to be most effective

          • 4 days ago
            Anonymous

            >it doesn't mean their support is shit
            That's not what was being implied.

  7. 4 days ago
    Anonymous

    For fun, lets pretend Muscovy really did revamp its forces and stuck the professionalization and anti-corruption. Lets pretend it wasnt just 10 years of bullshit, lets pretend Putin was able to get control of the situation and had good intentions towards Russia.

    Let's play pretend like the ex KGB guys didn't spend every waking moment from 1991 onwards murdering and stealing the military and nation to death.

    and on top of all that, lets pretend Russia spent its money as wisely as possible, and got excellent bang for their buck...and for maximum pretend, we wave a fucking wand and assume they can manufacture everything domestically 100%, or at least much as the French do, for land and air. And that their vaunted close range AAA works good against what it is designed to work against.

    So playing pretend and acting like Putin truly was the savior from the bad times of the 1990s.....

    We slap the Turks in the face first of all, and second all we load up every available piece of floating steel in the USN+NATO navies and sail for the Black Sea and the Baltic Sea with some spare sent to the Arctic.

    We have PGM spam the entirety of European Russia into darkness. And PGM spam the majority of the Russian land forces into practically nothing and the Russian Air force into nonexistence. Russia inflicts significant casualties, much more than Iraq or Vietnam.

    But thats it. Thats all they manage. Perhaps Russia even sinks 2 entire USN CVGNs and some extras on the side. Perhaps Russia renders the French navy crippled for decades.

    And that would be an amazing performance...But its the 2020s. PGMs have reach an economy of scale so good that we could do all the economic damage done in WWII by air in 3 months at 1/20th the relative industrial effort and 1/50th total costs, inflation adjusted.

    Russia was left behind. Point fucking blank.

    • 4 days ago
      Anonymous

      >We
      you mean Americans, without the US, Nato is a meme

      • 4 days ago
        Anonymous

        >without the US, Nato is a meme
        You mean California, New York and Texas.
        Without them, the US are a meme

        • 3 days ago
          Anonymous

          >Without them, the US are a meme
          You mean the bay area and NYC.
          Without them, California and New York are a meme.

  8. 4 days ago
    Anonymous

    In this timeline they might have actually put money into their military rather than spending money on paying diplomats to say NOOK. So maybe they last longer. They'd probably still be just as corrupt though, so I doubt it.

  9. 4 days ago
    Anonymous

    >no nuclear threat
    >NATO gives Ukraine tanks and planes in March 2022
    >war ends in 2022
    That's assuming the state of Russian army is as pathetic in this hypothetical timeline.

    • 4 days ago
      Anonymous

      If there were no Nukes, NATO probably would have just gone in.

      • 4 days ago
        Anonymous

        I doubt China would be okay with it.

  10. 4 days ago
    Anonymous

    NATO has to rush Moscow to protect it from China and India.

  11. 4 days ago
    Anonymous

    >NATO
    >"Former Czech prime minister and presidential candidate Babis has just said that he will not send soldiers to Poland, Estonia, Lithuania and Latvia if Russia attacks them if he becomes president," Jozwiak reported.

    • 4 days ago
      Anonymous

      Babis is a spineless rat who will say anything he thinks his "gullible retard" voter base wants to hear at the time
      >if he becomes president
      never going to happen because this guy will win
      with Reagan-Mondale tier margin at that

      • 4 days ago
        Anonymous

        Do not underestimate Babis' ability to rig the election.

  12. 4 days ago
    Anonymous

    Really depends on the scenario. If everyone involved is on board with it and there are no major political squabbles I can't see how Russia would win this.
    For lack of industrial capacity if nothing else.

  13. 4 days ago
    Anonymous

    >country with a massive amount of natural resources and an authoritarian government brutally attacks democratic neighbor
    You'd have marines inside of Moscow within a month

  14. 4 days ago
    Anonymous

    6 month of bombings and Russia freezes to death. Than next summer 3 week thunder run into the zone.

  15. 4 days ago
    Anonymous

    Poland and Ukraine alone could fuck Russia.

  16. 3 days ago
    Anonymous

    In a universe with no nukes Russia wouldn't even exist.

  17. 3 days ago
    Anonymous

    Nonsense question
    No nukes => The USSR steamrolls Europe instead of stopping at Germany and takes Japan for itself

  18. 3 days ago
    Anonymous

    Taking this chance to repost this gem of a deleted comment.
    >Dude a single bomb is only worth a day-long strategic bombing operation involving hundreds of bombers and escorts, they're not that good bro
    >Bro in my headcanon US generals totally saw the Atom Bomb as useless and that's totally why we invested into the creation of thousands of nuclear warheads bro.
    God some of the utterly insane bait this board has, is out of this world.

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