They both use Martin Bakers and the Rafale has successfully accidentally ejected at least one improperly harnessed civilian frenchman with only minor injuries, so either should work fine
Do I get a wingman for this 2 on 1 or a squad even? I mean in a real sortie I won't even know either of them are there. If they were nice enough to let me get to visual range with them I would probably just eject.
They could ASAT you I guess, wouldnt scratch shields, could just tractor it as it gets close. Don't even need to waste power consumption on shields tbh.
relax, he watched a bad movie from an actor that needed more money to donate to his cult and thinks that air combat as it was in 1990 is the same as it is today
they never got midlife upgrades because of politics. the only country pushing forward with major improvements to modernize it is the UK and they're doing it as a testbed for their 6th gen program
>Um, sweetie, look at these designs from multiple generations ago! >Sure makes it seem cooler that we keep pumping out failed designs just like them in the present, right?
Do eurotards really?
rafale, it has aesa unlike the eurofighter so i get only some time off before im forced to jack out from an aim120 headed straight to my ass, maybe if im lucky enough ill be able to land a shot with a meteor.
Eh.. probably the Rafale because better radar. I'm assuming that I am acting in a defensive role and at least have some idea of the general direction they're inbound from. Maybe I could stay low and terrain mask until they're close enough for IRST or a visual sighting. Otherwise I guess i'd have to rely on getting some idea of where they are from my RWR if they spike me and try to avoid a lock until I can close in to heater range.
As expected, more seethe.
Luneberg lenses useless in dogfight and against IR missiles brainlet.
Only 6 engagements 1 win on both sides and 4 draws.
No delusion I just like to make you tards cope.
Only seething here is you and having to hang onto that minor training victory as "proof" of superiority when it was literally designed to give the Rafale pilot a chance of an engagement that wasn't "he got you" after flying completely unaware.
>Only seething here is you and having to hang onto that minor training victory as "proof" of superiority
I don't want to prove anything just to make drooling idiots seethe. >when it was literally designed to give the Rafale pilot a chance of an engagement that wasn't "he got you" after flying completely unaware.
BS both jets started neutral in every engagement.
A Mirage 2000-9 scored a sucessful gun kill on an F-22 too during the same ATLC 2009 exercice.
But why does it matter? Why is any of this relevant? Why would this demonstrate superiority? F-22s getting virtually gun killed happens all the time in the US with F-16s, F-18s, and even T-38s.
However for any reason you just can't say "okay cool" and go on with your day, you have to cope about it.
That's why I post this stuff. Just so you fricks reveal how much vatnik-like hypocrisy you deploy when somebody dares to mention a single crack in the might of the powerful american military industrial complex.
OP asked in which aircraft one would take less risks. I provided real life actual footage showing the Rafale would have some chances in a certain context. Make of it what you will. In no case this means any superiority or whatever.
>I provided real life actual footage showing the Rafale would have some chances in a certain context
That context being a canned training engagement that removes all of the advantages either stealth plane has in real life.
2 years ago
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Can you stp being dense, read the OP again, and deal with the facts at least once?
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Anonymous
That's pretty hilarious coming from someone who thinks a Rafale stands any chance in a real-world fight with an F-22.
>But why does it matter? Why is any of this relevant?
I'm completely incapable of severing the connection between my nationality and my own personal identity, in fact, the former essentially makes up the latter, so if my nation's plane loses then I lose as well and I don't want that, it's simple really.
Doesn't matter. >fly to the nearest city >eject and parachute down
Anons this is how you fight asymmetric warfare. >blend in with locals >wait for shit to calm down >find pilots mom >seduce her >I am his dad now >son you're grounded
Best answer so far. Pretty much the only solution that doesn't involve running, immediately ejecting, or getting your body painted across the sky with an AIM-120.
>Genie's operational range: 6 miles >AIM-120D's operational range: >86 nautical miles
Nah you're fricked harder than a roofied college freshman in a room full of drunk frat boys.
Would you rather be in a stealth plane and have a chance at BVR engagements or a garbage 4th gen with the RCS of a bus?
Can you stop memeing your garbage euro dogshit? Send them to Ukraine already so they can get shot down by Soviet AA and prove how useless non-stealth planes are.
The F16, Eurojank, Rafail, Cucken are all about the same when it comes to being dogshit and useless.
They would all eat a Fox 3 against the F22 or F35 with no way to retaliate. Cope seethe dilate.
>Choose either >American jet runs passive while receiving contact info from AWACS & ground radar systems >Get slapped from 100+ miles out
Just give me the most expensive one so I can defect.
I'm fricked regardless, idk how to fly a fighter jet
You could watch a few YouTube videos and be good. Operating modern fighters are equivalent to playing a Nintendo wii.
My Wii doesn't pull 9.5gs
Which one has the safest ejection seat system?
They both use Martin Bakers and the Rafale has successfully accidentally ejected at least one improperly harnessed civilian frenchman with only minor injuries, so either should work fine
Rafale
It looks cooler
Typhoon looks like a failed abortion
Shut the frick up frog.
Both at once? I wanna be in this instead. How would I do?
Do I get a wingman for this 2 on 1 or a squad even? I mean in a real sortie I won't even know either of them are there. If they were nice enough to let me get to visual range with them I would probably just eject.
AIM-260 fries you
>phaser mogs your planet
>teleports behind you
>nothing personel,,, kid
This but I'd just remain in high Earth orbit the entire time. What're they gonna do? Plink the deflector shield? Can they even manage that?
They could ASAT you I guess, wouldnt scratch shields, could just tractor it as it gets close. Don't even need to waste power consumption on shields tbh.
Rafale, it looks cooler and isn't out of character when I flee.
French didn't flee in WW2, that's the british so you should get a typhoon.
The difference between the British retreat at Dunkirk and the French is that the British didn't surrender. In before your insurgency cope
I'd have liked to see how Britain would've fared if it shared a border with Germany.
We would fight the b***hes on the beaches, for King and Cum Tree.
God save the King eh ol' chap? I'll never get used to that.
You'd lose your plane and have no idea why with either.
Su-57 because T I G E R S or something
Close the distance and fight like mad.
At the end of the day the pilot matters.
F-22 will pull some thrust vectoring bullshit on you and then dump its shit all over you
>Close the distance on a plane you'll never see before getting shot down
relax, he watched a bad movie from an actor that needed more money to donate to his cult and thinks that air combat as it was in 1990 is the same as it is today
>close the distance
>f22 TVs and gets his nose inside you before you’re halfway around the first circle
>Close the distance and fight like mad.
>they don't put the scrubs in Raptors
>close the distance
>on an f22
Hope you have fun with that, because it's the last thing you'd ever do.
>fight me like a man in melee and not at distance, then we'll see who's the boss
>The eternal kraut and his cope picture
The Rafale was acting as a plastron
>Typhoon which their whole purpose is interceptor mission is not even good in DCA.
What the frick?
they never got midlife upgrades because of politics. the only country pushing forward with major improvements to modernize it is the UK and they're doing it as a testbed for their 6th gen program
>Soulless eurotrash delta wings
>Um, sweetie, look at these designs from multiple generations ago!
>Sure makes it seem cooler that we keep pumping out failed designs just like them in the present, right?
Do eurotards really?
uhh
>several medium and low effectiveness for Eurofighter
Is this because of their horrible radar or is there something else?
It's because frog hands made that spreadsheet
It was made by the Swiss, fragile britboi
rafale, it has aesa unlike the eurofighter so i get only some time off before im forced to jack out from an aim120 headed straight to my ass, maybe if im lucky enough ill be able to land a shot with a meteor.
Rafales radar is fricking tiny
The latest eurofighter would trash both wouldn't it?
Typhoon (Eurofighter)
which one has the better ejection seat?
One Rafale would beat both.
Eh.. probably the Rafale because better radar. I'm assuming that I am acting in a defensive role and at least have some idea of the general direction they're inbound from. Maybe I could stay low and terrain mask until they're close enough for IRST or a visual sighting. Otherwise I guess i'd have to rely on getting some idea of where they are from my RWR if they spike me and try to avoid a lock until I can close in to heater range.
I heard Rafale has good ECM but are they better than Eurofighter and comparable to F35?
Whichever has a better radio in the hopes that they here my surrender message before they launch.
Rafale.
>"Iz not ze plane, Jacques, iz ze pilote."
rafale is better until the UK completes their modernization plan in a few years and then it might be better
Typhoon w/ AESA and Meteor. I mean, I'd still lose, but I might get off a MRAAM or two before eating an AMRAAM.
This thread again?
This video again.
Cope & seethe.
>Canned dogfight
>Luneberg lens equipped
>Rafale only won 4 of 14 engagements
As expected, more seethe.
Luneberg lenses useless in dogfight and against IR missiles brainlet.
Only 6 engagements 1 win on both sides and 4 draws.
No delusion I just like to make you tards cope.
Only seething here is you and having to hang onto that minor training victory as "proof" of superiority when it was literally designed to give the Rafale pilot a chance of an engagement that wasn't "he got you" after flying completely unaware.
>Only seething here is you and having to hang onto that minor training victory as "proof" of superiority
I don't want to prove anything just to make drooling idiots seethe.
>when it was literally designed to give the Rafale pilot a chance of an engagement that wasn't "he got you" after flying completely unaware.
BS both jets started neutral in every engagement.
A Mirage 2000-9 scored a sucessful gun kill on an F-22 too during the same ATLC 2009 exercice.
But why does it matter? Why is any of this relevant? Why would this demonstrate superiority? F-22s getting virtually gun killed happens all the time in the US with F-16s, F-18s, and even T-38s.
However for any reason you just can't say "okay cool" and go on with your day, you have to cope about it.
That's why I post this stuff. Just so you fricks reveal how much vatnik-like hypocrisy you deploy when somebody dares to mention a single crack in the might of the powerful american military industrial complex.
OP asked in which aircraft one would take less risks. I provided real life actual footage showing the Rafale would have some chances in a certain context. Make of it what you will. In no case this means any superiority or whatever.
>I provided real life actual footage showing the Rafale would have some chances in a certain context
That context being a canned training engagement that removes all of the advantages either stealth plane has in real life.
Can you stp being dense, read the OP again, and deal with the facts at least once?
That's pretty hilarious coming from someone who thinks a Rafale stands any chance in a real-world fight with an F-22.
>But why does it matter? Why is any of this relevant?
I'm completely incapable of severing the connection between my nationality and my own personal identity, in fact, the former essentially makes up the latter, so if my nation's plane loses then I lose as well and I don't want that, it's simple really.
>those delusional frogs in the comments
Doesn't matter.
>fly to the nearest city
>eject and parachute down
Anons this is how you fight asymmetric warfare.
>blend in with locals
>wait for shit to calm down
>find pilots mom
>seduce her
>I am his dad now
>son you're grounded
Launch an AIR-2 Genie and hope for the best
Best answer so far. Pretty much the only solution that doesn't involve running, immediately ejecting, or getting your body painted across the sky with an AIM-120.
>Genie's operational range: 6 miles
>AIM-120D's operational range: >86 nautical miles
Nah you're fricked harder than a roofied college freshman in a room full of drunk frat boys.
Rafale because I like the look of the intakes more
rafale, so i can be in a cooler looking jet when i get shot down
both would shoot you down before they had crested over the horizon
rafale so that when I get shot down there is one less frenchie dirtying the world.
fighter jets are obsolete
And a new competitor for "dumbest meme said so far."
>he doesn't know
Drones are several decades from being able to replace human pilots, and likely never will.
>Cars are several decades from being able to replace horses, and likely never will.
In a Gripen looking for nearest patch of dirt road or grass to land.
American F-22 is vastly overrated and would easily be shot down by Su-27
Would get deleted by a fox 3 before it gets to see the F22 on radar.
R-77 missile is dual infrared/radar moron, American operation paperclip nazi stealth tech cant block infrared
First the Su-27 has to get radar lock to fire that. F-22 will have had it locked up for miles before that.
Good luck ever getting an F-22 into a lock to fire it.
And even if you did, Russian missiles have a 3x greater fail rate than western ones.
Would you rather be in a stealth plane and have a chance at BVR engagements or a garbage 4th gen with the RCS of a bus?
Can you stop memeing your garbage euro dogshit? Send them to Ukraine already so they can get shot down by Soviet AA and prove how useless non-stealth planes are.
The one with the better ejection seat and parachute
The F16, Eurojank, Rafail, Cucken are all about the same when it comes to being dogshit and useless.
They would all eat a Fox 3 against the F22 or F35 with no way to retaliate. Cope seethe dilate.
How do you confirm a BVR kill?
I mean, dogfight kills are confirmed by gun cameras and HUD tapes. How the frick do you confirm a BVR kill?
It goes off the radar and you wait for dudes on the ground to see the wreckage???
Jas 39 Gripen
J-20
>Choose either
>American jet runs passive while receiving contact info from AWACS & ground radar systems
>Get slapped from 100+ miles out
Just give me the most expensive one so I can defect.