hypothetically what would a russian civil war in the 21st century look like?

hypothetically what would a russian civil war in the 21st century look like? with nukes at stake, how do 3rd party foreign powers act?

asking for a tovarishch

  1. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    I’m sure NATO will help whoever is anti-Putin’s regime. Nukes might happen but I don’t think MAD is an issue.
    Do ruskies even like Putin?

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Various lawmakers have come out and demanded that Putin resign, they may not actively say it but he is becoming much more unpopular by the day. I think everyone was banking on him at least securing the eastern territories of Ukraine, which is clearly not happening.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Does anybody have that 'Options A though E' image regarding the invasion? With A being total Ukranian capitulation, and E being incursion into Russian territory? I think we're at C or D if I remember it correctly.

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          this one?

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Yeah, or one so similar I can't think of the difference. Thanks, anon.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Nah, the Russian peasantry in general are totally brainwashed into loving their oh so cool and tough and smart Vova.

  2. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    NATO or the UN setting up a nuclear bomb buyback program would be a cost effective way of securing Russia's WMDs. All they would have to do is announce anyone who turns in one bomb's worth of fissile nuclear material gets a million dollars, no questions asked.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      And if that's not enough, throw in a green card.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        NATO or the UN setting up a nuclear bomb buyback program would be a cost effective way of securing Russia's WMDs. All they would have to do is announce anyone who turns in one bomb's worth of fissile nuclear material gets a million dollars, no questions asked.

        As much as I like the idea in general, I fear the thought of an overloaded rusty 4x4 Lada with nukes in its trunk and the Smooker on the driver's seat.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      A million isn't enough. You'd need to pay a lot more and offer them substantial protection, legally and physically.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        do you know how many russians it takes to combine for them to ever at any point in their life to be able to see such a sum?

        the only ones that wouldn't be satisfied would be cleptocrats, crime lords, high ranking glowmorons, puting friends and all these other variations of the same thing, and these need to be hunted down, not bought as they'll just turn these money and connections into another means to spread distraught and ruin societies

  3. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >how do 3rd party foreign powers act?
    prepare popcorn and enjoy the show?

  4. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >We might get the Call of Duty Modern Warfare timeline
    My body is ready

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Only this time is realistic:
      >Civil War in Russia
      >Separatists launch a Nuke that actually lands in the US, killing millions.
      >The US respons and then NATO and the UN have to step in
      >Russia stops existing, gets split into breakaway states, some even absorbed by China in the following years.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        would the US actually allow that or would there be a major proxy-war in Siberia between the US and China?
        The latter would be pretty kino if no nukes were involved

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >would the US actually allow that or would there be a major proxy-war in Siberia between the US and China?
          That's the fun part. If MW were realistic the dissolution of the Russian Federation would've opened so many scenarios it probably would've continued to this day without a reboot.

          Anyway Siberia would probably the a US Domain, not contested but in someway involved in a conflict with China

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Yeah man I wish we had at least a DLC that covered what happened at the end of MW3 to the “present” seeing as MW3 ends in 2016.
            MW3 ended with an optimistic ending of Russia and the US teaming up to defeat the Russian ultranationalists probably to not alienate Russian players

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          If any nuke is launched regardless of where it hits then I would be shocked if the US and by extension NATO doesn’t take a page from its British history and carve up Russia like a turkey, anything less than immediate retaliation sets a very dangerous precedent. Not only would it remove an old enemy but give China a clear warning as to what will happen if they fuck around.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >no fighting in the war room

      will make azovstahl look like a nintendo

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous
    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      You now remember how Vatniks seethed about the Remake and claiming they would never do war crimes and kill children or invade another country.

      The Devs never felt more vindicated.

  5. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    The factions would probably be:
    Putinists
    Communists
    Tsarists
    Nazbols
    Democratic Resistance
    Chechens
    Buryats

    God, imagine the kino. Basically the Syrian Civil War but on mega steroids.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >czarists
      do you really think anyone would ever want to go back to a romanov dynasty?
      My bet's on whites vs reds again. Whites being Putin/ Russian federationists and reds, well y'know the good ol days

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Yes I mean you have a war criminal who named himself after a pickle that is apparently a crypto-monarchist. And that cray-cray collaborator lady who thinks Nicholas was Jesus.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >Whites being Putin/ Russian federationists and reds, well y'know the good ol days

        the putin faction wouldn't tolerate anyone else, it wouldnt be the loose alliance white faction like back in the old days it would be its own faction and destroyed as such.

        The factions would probably be:
        Putinists
        Communists
        Tsarists
        Nazbols
        Democratic Resistance
        Chechens
        Buryats

        God, imagine the kino. Basically the Syrian Civil War but on mega steroids.

        >Tsarists

        that's bullshit but i believe it.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Knowing how dumb this whole thing is, theres probably a Romanov hanging around somewhere who will at least try for it

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Meet newTsar

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Which faction will have the largest amount of virgin white women with blonde hair and blue eyes?

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        probably the chechens

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          unironically tho they might be the most stable regime purely because they are already pretty self governed, tho if they stop getting gibs from the state i guess that would change pretty quick

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Chechens would probably get backroom deals with Turkey and Ukraine and even could get ex-ichkerians to be pardoned and use their experience to train the armies.

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Well Kadyrov is kept in power because he was basicly the strongest (and most corruptable) of the warlord at the time of the second chechen war. He get huge gibs from the state to keep it that way and buy off other chechen so they keep in line.

            If he can't give gibs anymore he gonna need to crackdown and that mean not using his troop anywhere else.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >Buryats
      There are some alive?

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Putin loyalists vs Navalny vs Strelkov vs Kadyrov vs Ex Dudayev Battalion vet vs Chinese supported Buryatian vet Battle royale.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      makes me wonder if there's enough volga germans left they might try to start a reich

  6. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    There will be no civil war like in 20th century or now in the middle east. Best you will see is a political vacuum with intense rivalry between individual actors.
    >tldr google Smuta
    In case if something will happen, EU will pull tom clancy and UN will remain useless.

  7. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >russian civil war
    Holy fuck I don't want all those russian refugees flooding our border.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Just ask Italians and Germans for Hitlers Scrythe (MG42). Will deal with them quick enough.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      They're not dark enough, they'll be left to starve and die.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      After the past year? I doubt anyone would allow it outside those small conclaves of Russians elsewhere. Would be one of the most genocidal acts of the 21st century.

  8. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    In any scenario where Russia collapses, and they will, it’ll have to be wholly occupied by NATO powers until every nuke can be accounted for, or basically forever. Expect an east/west Germany split between Chinese influence and NATO occupation.

  9. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    I think russians are still too dictatorship broken to really truly rise up. Unless mass famine happens, then anything goes. Food is what really keeps society stable.

    I think post-Putler is gonna be interesting, because I can really only foresee him being removed by someone far more brutal and reactionary. Someone who is going to need heads to roll for the failures.
    If you're a Russian deserter reading this, you'd better have grandpas mosin ready for those potential FSB deathsquads.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >I think russians are still too dictatorship broken to really truly rise up.

      it doesnt have to be a popular revolt, just one dissatisfied ogliarch/general that manages to bomb/poison or even wound putin and the whole country goes the way of most dictatorships which is intense doggy dog world infighting.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      People said this in 1991 and 1917, and look how that turned out. Russians may have a high tolerance for misrule, but eventually even they end up taking to the streets. Anyway, unless Putin decides to mobilise

      >I think russians are still too dictatorship broken to really truly rise up.

      it doesnt have to be a popular revolt, just one dissatisfied ogliarch/general that manages to bomb/poison or even wound putin and the whole country goes the way of most dictatorships which is intense doggy dog world infighting.

      is a much more likely option.

  10. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Nuggets.

  11. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >2nd russian revolution
    >the people throw out all the corrupt cold war boomers
    >they vote in a new tsar
    >finally allowed to be happy and live in a normal country

    >2nd american civil war
    >the us is split up into three new countries
    >normal east coast, comfy middle and clown world west coast

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >>they vote in a new tsar
      allowed to be happy and live in a normal country
      the delusions are palpable

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        it will be a g-good guy this time for sure
        hopefully the could import a scandinavian royal

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          nah, the point is that it won't, and it will be the same poor and decrepit shithole full of dread and misery it always was

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >clown world east and west coast with comfy middle
      fixed it for you

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >west coast is one unit and not Cascadia and Idaho in the north, Commiefornia shit hole in the south, Oregonian Quaqmire in the middile and Greater Deseret on the fringe.
      Oh and Alaska, them too.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Cascadia is a meme its as libtarded as cali

        https://i.imgur.com/ZSGhziS.png

        why can't the russian people ever be allowed to be happy and free?

        Maybe someday friend but this war needs to end first.

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >Cascadia is a meme its as libtarded as cali
          as someone who lives here, it absolutely a meme, but because it's be a confederation and not necessarily "libtardation" (or maybe, but more lolbertarian than outright liberal). You'd have so many different little fucking parts with such a varying level of beliefs and political ideals that it'd be about as fucking functional as the HRE.
          It'd still be functional enough to keep people out, but mostly as a result of the eponymous mountains and because we'd be so insufferable to work with that everyone would just fuck off.

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            I've visited some friends around seattle/portland and I know what you mean.
            Its a beautiful state I'd honestly consider moving there someday.

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            I've visited some friends around seattle/portland and I know what you mean.
            Its a beautiful state I'd honestly consider moving there someday.

            To add to my own statement, Oregon (or at least western Oregon) would be the fucking same, but with a much wider gulf in beliefs and ideals, hence my calling it a quagmire.

            If I could pick up and move any place I'd either be in the rural Willamette Valley to be much closer to family (even though my allergies would probably fucking murder me for a few years) or near Tillamook, which if you ignored the ocean looks almost exactly like the Willamette Valley.

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Cascadia is a meme because countries are not formed based on what mountains they have near them.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >2nd american civil war
      Not gonna happen, Tim Pool.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Nahh US civil war 2.0 will have the left and the right doing a truce and assrape the evangelicals

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >new tsar
      >russian millenials and zoomers

      They want western way of life not some retarded traditions.

  12. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    ?t=195
    relevant

  13. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    hypothetically, a coup by the far right/military. depending on who exactly is in charge, we may see Russia in the future going all-in on Ukraine, or a milder Russia that tries to mend ties with the west. I'd put money on the former. With nukes at stake it just means foreign countries won't want to send any military to the country.

  14. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    why can't the russian people ever be allowed to be happy and free?

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      they never work for it, and always chose "comfortable" servility and certainty.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Because they do not will for it hard enough.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Because they don’t deserve it. Reminder that God has never in recorded history been on the side of the r*ssian

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >our mythic leader will take care of us
      i don't know, it's a mystery

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Because they killed the only Slavs that still believed in that sort of thing.

  15. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >with nukes at stake, how do 3rd party foreign powers act?
    1. Anyone with the capacity would send spies in to make contact with all sides to try and get them to secure and disable nukes
    2. There would be overt public promises by all third parties that they aren't making backroom alliances with one side or the other
    3. That would technically be true because they would be making backroom alliances with every side.
    4. Absolutely nobody would stick a pinky toe into Russia beyond spyshit. They don't want to turn a national civil war into an international nuclear war.
    5. There is assuredly some Russia only for realsies MAD doctrine the nuclear countries have worked out in case Russia destabilizes where they all point their guns toward the bear and fire if it looks like their arsenal's about to go wild. At the very least China's not nuking the USA in response to the USA preemptively nuking Russia in response to Russia nuking itself.

  16. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Depends solely on microcosm of Silovikis I guess

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Russians need to kill them all off. They aren't the only reason why Russia's a fucking joke, but they are the main driving force behind the continuance of covering problems up and pretending everything is fine so that they could continue draining the country of it's wealth and killing off all their intellectuals.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        This is about as possible as society actually taking up arms in US and ridding of glowers, lobbists, old money, new money, media, military and rest.
        That's to say, it will never happen.

  17. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    friendly reminder that nuclear fuel can't be turned into bombs
    but nuclear bombs can be turned into fuel

  18. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >What would it look like.
    Call of Duty: Modern Warfare 1

  19. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Drunks killing each other with sticks and stones. YouTube videos for days.

  20. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >the war escalates
    >china out of fucking nowhere
    >invades russia and takes moscow
    what now?

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Panic at the thought that China mastered teleportation tech and teleported on Moscow just to flex on us

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >US panics at the thought of China discovering and mastering teleportation
        >2 years and 10 trillion dollars later the US fields the first quantum divisions capable of deploying anywhere in the world within 20 seconds
        >the Chinese just had a sleeper cell
        >mfw we're actually living in Red Alert 4: Dragon Rising

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >Chrono-Legionnaires end up being a real thing
          If only.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      there is a higher chance of aliens landing in moscow then the chinese military slugging it over the urals successfully

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      The tsar bomb stored away for a rainy day will suddenly find itself being drawn towards the three gorges dam

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        unfortunately, only the one dropped was ever made.
        It was realized pretty much at the start of the project that it was just gonna be the one bomb drop, specifically to just annoy everyone with a nuclear dick wave.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Idk if that is possible. China has the bodies to throw at it, but the land they would have to cross is some of the harshest there is, and with very little infrastructure.

  21. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Nukes will just get stolen and sold on black market - but no one will actually be able to make them work.

    Siberian secession would be the main point here. Fueled and guided by USA - they would become a puppet of USA much like Japan is.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >sold on the black market
      more like sold openly to whichever nuclear power pays the most, it would be very hard to try and sell nuclear arms on the black market maybe if you dissasemble and sell the uranium or something but you are not selling a fucking icbm in a backalley deal without a state actor involved

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        north korea almost sold their nukes to arab oil barons but glowies sniff it out and cancel the deal, lol

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >Siberian secession would be the main point here. Fueled and guided by USA - they would become a puppet of USA much like Japan is.

      Not a fucking chance Changs gonna let it slide. They need a buffer countries like NK for internal security reasons. This gonna turned into Korean War 2.0 Siberian Boogaloo.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        mechanized/motorized charges across the siberian thundra like in the mongol days sounds kino as fuck

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        https://i.imgur.com/XLY5n96.jpg

        Nukes will just get stolen and sold on black market - but no one will actually be able to make them work.

        Siberian secession would be the main point here. Fueled and guided by USA - they would become a puppet of USA much like Japan is.

        >a three way war between Russia factions, China, and the US (plus allies) in Siberia
        Massive potential for a gigantic cluster fuck.

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >TFW the BF4 timeline is closer than ever
          SOON[tm]

  22. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Is no one going to talk about the gun in the picture?
    The fuck is that, a PKM with a shitty prop shroud? Is that supposed to be an MG-42?

  23. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    the garden gnomes won't let it happen.

  24. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >with nukes at stake how do 3rd party foreign powers act
    UN peacekeeping forces sweep into the country as soon as it becomes clear the government isn't in control anymore, there is a zero percent chance the US or China is letting Russian nukes fall into the hands of non-state actors

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