hypothetically what would a russian civil war in the 21st century look like? with nukes at stake, how do 3rd party foreign powers act?
asking for a tovarishch
hypothetically what would a russian civil war in the 21st century look like? with nukes at stake, how do 3rd party foreign powers act?
asking for a tovarishch
I’m sure NATO will help whoever is anti-Putin’s regime. Nukes might happen but I don’t think MAD is an issue.
Do ruskies even like Putin?
Various lawmakers have come out and demanded that Putin resign, they may not actively say it but he is becoming much more unpopular by the day. I think everyone was banking on him at least securing the eastern territories of Ukraine, which is clearly not happening.
Does anybody have that 'Options A though E' image regarding the invasion? With A being total Ukranian capitulation, and E being incursion into Russian territory? I think we're at C or D if I remember it correctly.
this one?
Yeah, or one so similar I can't think of the difference. Thanks, anon.
Nah, the Russian peasantry in general are totally brainwashed into loving their oh so cool and tough and smart Vova.
NATO or the UN setting up a nuclear bomb buyback program would be a cost effective way of securing Russia's WMDs. All they would have to do is announce anyone who turns in one bomb's worth of fissile nuclear material gets a million dollars, no questions asked.
And if that's not enough, throw in a green card.
As much as I like the idea in general, I fear the thought of an overloaded rusty 4x4 Lada with nukes in its trunk and the Smooker on the driver's seat.
A million isn't enough. You'd need to pay a lot more and offer them substantial protection, legally and physically.
do you know how many russians it takes to combine for them to ever at any point in their life to be able to see such a sum?
the only ones that wouldn't be satisfied would be cleptocrats, crime lords, high ranking glowBlack folk, puting friends and all these other variations of the same thing, and these need to be hunted down, not bought as they'll just turn these money and connections into another means to spread distraught and ruin societies
>how do 3rd party foreign powers act?
prepare popcorn and enjoy the show?
>We might get the Call of Duty Modern Warfare timeline
My body is ready
Only this time is realistic:
>Civil War in Russia
>Separatists launch a Nuke that actually lands in the US, killing millions.
>The US respons and then NATO and the UN have to step in
>Russia stops existing, gets split into breakaway states, some even absorbed by China in the following years.
would the US actually allow that or would there be a major proxy-war in Siberia between the US and China?
The latter would be pretty kino if no nukes were involved
>would the US actually allow that or would there be a major proxy-war in Siberia between the US and China?
That's the fun part. If MW were realistic the dissolution of the Russian Federation would've opened so many scenarios it probably would've continued to this day without a reboot.
Anyway Siberia would probably the a US Domain, not contested but in someway involved in a conflict with China
Yeah man I wish we had at least a DLC that covered what happened at the end of MW3 to the “present” seeing as MW3 ends in 2016.
MW3 ended with an optimistic ending of Russia and the US teaming up to defeat the Russian ultranationalists probably to not alienate Russian players
If any nuke is launched regardless of where it hits then I would be shocked if the US and by extension NATO doesn’t take a page from its British history and carve up Russia like a turkey, anything less than immediate retaliation sets a very dangerous precedent. Not only would it remove an old enemy but give China a clear warning as to what will happen if they frick around.
>no fighting in the war room
will make azovstahl look like a nintendo
You now remember how Vatniks seethed about the Remake and claiming they would never do war crimes and kill children or invade another country.
The Devs never felt more vindicated.
The factions would probably be:
Putinists
Communists
Tsarists
Nazbols
Democratic Resistance
Chechens
Buryats
God, imagine the kino. Basically the Syrian Civil War but on mega steroids.
>czarists
do you really think anyone would ever want to go back to a romanov dynasty?
My bet's on whites vs reds again. Whites being Putin/ Russian federationists and reds, well y'know the good ol days
Yes I mean you have a war criminal who named himself after a pickle that is apparently a crypto-monarchist. And that cray-cray collaborator lady who thinks Nicholas was Jesus.
>Whites being Putin/ Russian federationists and reds, well y'know the good ol days
the putin faction wouldn't tolerate anyone else, it wouldnt be the loose alliance white faction like back in the old days it would be its own faction and destroyed as such.
>Tsarists
that's bullshit but i believe it.
Knowing how dumb this whole thing is, theres probably a Romanov hanging around somewhere who will at least try for it
Meet newTsar
Which faction will have the largest amount of virgin white women with blonde hair and blue eyes?
probably the chechens
unironically tho they might be the most stable regime purely because they are already pretty self governed, tho if they stop getting gibs from the state i guess that would change pretty quick
Chechens would probably get backroom deals with Turkey and Ukraine and even could get ex-ichkerians to be pardoned and use their experience to train the armies.
Well Kadyrov is kept in power because he was basicly the strongest (and most corruptable) of the warlord at the time of the second chechen war. He get huge gibs from the state to keep it that way and buy off other chechen so they keep in line.
If he can't give gibs anymore he gonna need to crackdown and that mean not using his troop anywhere else.
>Buryats
There are some alive?
Putin loyalists vs Navalny vs Strelkov vs Kadyrov vs Ex Dudayev Battalion vet vs Chinese supported Buryatian vet Battle royale.
makes me wonder if there's enough volga germans left they might try to start a reich
There will be no civil war like in 20th century or now in the middle east. Best you will see is a political vacuum with intense rivalry between individual actors.
>tldr google Smuta
In case if something will happen, EU will pull tom clancy and UN will remain useless.
>russian civil war
Holy frick I don't want all those russian refugees flooding our border.
Just ask Italians and Germans for Hitlers Scrythe (MG42). Will deal with them quick enough.
They're not dark enough, they'll be left to starve and die.
After the past year? I doubt anyone would allow it outside those small conclaves of Russians elsewhere. Would be one of the most genocidal acts of the 21st century.
In any scenario where Russia collapses, and they will, it’ll have to be wholly occupied by NATO powers until every nuke can be accounted for, or basically forever. Expect an east/west Germany split between Chinese influence and NATO occupation.
I think russians are still too dictatorship broken to really truly rise up. Unless mass famine happens, then anything goes. Food is what really keeps society stable.
I think post-Putler is gonna be interesting, because I can really only foresee him being removed by someone far more brutal and reactionary. Someone who is going to need heads to roll for the failures.
If you're a Russian deserter reading this, you'd better have grandpas mosin ready for those potential FSB deathsquads.
>I think russians are still too dictatorship broken to really truly rise up.
it doesnt have to be a popular revolt, just one dissatisfied ogliarch/general that manages to bomb/poison or even wound putin and the whole country goes the way of most dictatorships which is intense doggy dog world infighting.
People said this in 1991 and 1917, and look how that turned out. Russians may have a high tolerance for misrule, but eventually even they end up taking to the streets. Anyway, unless Putin decides to mobilise
is a much more likely option.
Nuggets.
>2nd russian revolution
>the people throw out all the corrupt cold war boomers
>they vote in a new tsar
>finally allowed to be happy and live in a normal country
>2nd american civil war
>the us is split up into three new countries
>normal east coast, comfy middle and clown world west coast
>>they vote in a new tsar
allowed to be happy and live in a normal country
the delusions are palpable
it will be a g-good guy this time for sure
hopefully the could import a scandinavian royal
nah, the point is that it won't, and it will be the same poor and decrepit shithole full of dread and misery it always was
>clown world east and west coast with comfy middle
fixed it for you
>west coast is one unit and not Cascadia and Idaho in the north, Commiefornia shit hole in the south, Oregonian Quaqmire in the middile and Greater Deseret on the fringe.
Oh and Alaska, them too.
Cascadia is a meme its as libtarded as cali
Maybe someday friend but this war needs to end first.
>Cascadia is a meme its as libtarded as cali
as someone who lives here, it absolutely a meme, but because it's be a confederation and not necessarily "libtardation" (or maybe, but more lolbertarian than outright liberal). You'd have so many different little fricking parts with such a varying level of beliefs and political ideals that it'd be about as fricking functional as the HRE.
It'd still be functional enough to keep people out, but mostly as a result of the eponymous mountains and because we'd be so insufferable to work with that everyone would just frick off.
I've visited some friends around seattle/portland and I know what you mean.
Its a beautiful state I'd honestly consider moving there someday.
To add to my own statement, Oregon (or at least western Oregon) would be the fricking same, but with a much wider gulf in beliefs and ideals, hence my calling it a quagmire.
If I could pick up and move any place I'd either be in the rural Willamette Valley to be much closer to family (even though my allergies would probably fricking murder me for a few years) or near Tillamook, which if you ignored the ocean looks almost exactly like the Willamette Valley.
Cascadia is a meme because countries are not formed based on what mountains they have near them.
>2nd american civil war
Not gonna happen, Tim Pool.
Nahh US civil war 2.0 will have the left and the right doing a truce and assrape the evangelicals
>new tsar
>russian millenials and zoomers
They want western way of life not some moronic traditions.
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hypothetically, a coup by the far right/military. depending on who exactly is in charge, we may see Russia in the future going all-in on Ukraine, or a milder Russia that tries to mend ties with the west. I'd put money on the former. With nukes at stake it just means foreign countries won't want to send any military to the country.
why can't the russian people ever be allowed to be happy and free?
they never work for it, and always chose "comfortable" servility and certainty.
Because they do not will for it hard enough.
Because they don’t deserve it. Reminder that God has never in recorded history been on the side of the r*ssian
>our mythic leader will take care of us
i don't know, it's a mystery
Because they killed the only Slavs that still believed in that sort of thing.
>with nukes at stake, how do 3rd party foreign powers act?
1. Anyone with the capacity would send spies in to make contact with all sides to try and get them to secure and disable nukes
2. There would be overt public promises by all third parties that they aren't making backroom alliances with one side or the other
3. That would technically be true because they would be making backroom alliances with every side.
4. Absolutely nobody would stick a pinky toe into Russia beyond spyshit. They don't want to turn a national civil war into an international nuclear war.
5. There is assuredly some Russia only for realsies MAD doctrine the nuclear countries have worked out in case Russia destabilizes where they all point their guns toward the bear and fire if it looks like their arsenal's about to go wild. At the very least China's not nuking the USA in response to the USA preemptively nuking Russia in response to Russia nuking itself.
Depends solely on microcosm of Silovikis I guess
Russians need to kill them all off. They aren't the only reason why Russia's a fricking joke, but they are the main driving force behind the continuance of covering problems up and pretending everything is fine so that they could continue draining the country of it's wealth and killing off all their intellectuals.
This is about as possible as society actually taking up arms in US and ridding of glowers, lobbists, old money, new money, media, military and rest.
That's to say, it will never happen.
friendly reminder that nuclear fuel can't be turned into bombs
but nuclear bombs can be turned into fuel
>What would it look like.
Call of Duty: Modern Warfare 1
Drunks killing each other with sticks and stones. YouTube videos for days.
>the war escalates
>china out of fricking nowhere
>invades russia and takes moscow
what now?
Panic at the thought that China mastered teleportation tech and teleported on Moscow just to flex on us
>US panics at the thought of China discovering and mastering teleportation
>2 years and 10 trillion dollars later the US fields the first quantum divisions capable of deploying anywhere in the world within 20 seconds
>the Chinese just had a sleeper cell
>mfw we're actually living in Red Alert 4: Dragon Rising
>Chrono-Legionnaires end up being a real thing
If only.
there is a higher chance of aliens landing in moscow then the chinese military slugging it over the urals successfully
The tsar bomb stored away for a rainy day will suddenly find itself being drawn towards the three gorges dam
unfortunately, only the one dropped was ever made.
It was realized pretty much at the start of the project that it was just gonna be the one bomb drop, specifically to just annoy everyone with a nuclear dick wave.
Idk if that is possible. China has the bodies to throw at it, but the land they would have to cross is some of the harshest there is, and with very little infrastructure.
Nukes will just get stolen and sold on black market - but no one will actually be able to make them work.
Siberian secession would be the main point here. Fueled and guided by USA - they would become a puppet of USA much like Japan is.
>sold on the black market
more like sold openly to whichever nuclear power pays the most, it would be very hard to try and sell nuclear arms on the black market maybe if you dissasemble and sell the uranium or something but you are not selling a fricking icbm in a backalley deal without a state actor involved
north korea almost sold their nukes to arab oil barons but glowies sniff it out and cancel the deal, lol
>Siberian secession would be the main point here. Fueled and guided by USA - they would become a puppet of USA much like Japan is.
Not a fricking chance Changs gonna let it slide. They need a buffer countries like NK for internal security reasons. This gonna turned into Korean War 2.0 Siberian Boogaloo.
mechanized/motorized charges across the siberian thundra like in the mongol days sounds kino as frick
>a three way war between Russia factions, China, and the US (plus allies) in Siberia
Massive potential for a gigantic cluster frick.
>TFW the BF4 timeline is closer than ever
SOON[tm]
Is no one going to talk about the gun in the picture?
The frick is that, a PKM with a shitty prop shroud? Is that supposed to be an MG-42?
the israelites won't let it happen.
>with nukes at stake how do 3rd party foreign powers act
UN peacekeeping forces sweep into the country as soon as it becomes clear the government isn't in control anymore, there is a zero percent chance the US or China is letting Russian nukes fall into the hands of non-state actors