As always, when civilians are allowed to carry there is no soft target anymore. Simply being able to return fire changes everything. A fricking Glock 19 is enough to gain some time. The problem is in that scenario, the terrorists would probably revert back to bombings. There's no perfect solution.
Are you implying that the Bataclan was also a false flag ? Because the GIGN was ready to go there very quickly and they got ordered to not move. It was finally police counter terror units that killed the terrorists more than 2 hours later. Both scenarios are pretty similar, except that yesterday terrorists got arrested.
It's not the school it's the parents. There's only so much a teacher can do when psychos with fricked up parents who don't give a shit drop them off every morning. Look at that kid who saw demons and his parents were out cheating on eachother and riding horses or some shit ignoring it.
Let's just say it's a little bit of everything. In any case, a sane society doesn't create school shooters. Switzerland has a lot of firearm owners and they have 0 mass shootings.
Why’d they stop at 140 when the russian cops were nowhere in sight? I don’t get it
What I also don’t get is how the squad of several people couldn’t match the kill counts set by Anders “cold coffee” Breivik, Brenton Tarrant, Omar Mateen and Stephen Paddock. What’s up with that?
Those dudes got a kill count of several dozens, possibly hundred+, while strolling around the place in an almost relaxed fashion. No way they were expecting police.
Ahhhhhh. That makes sense. Not him but the low kill count was so vexing to me. When they were in the lobby did they even shoot those people? That lady in the corner got up and was like <20 feet from a gunman and he didn't finish her off. Even being in a rush, though... This is super weird. It was like priority #1 was setting the whole roof on fire, and killing people was #2 or lower.
Either this, or some Chechens helping out ISIS took theatergoers hostage and the Spetsnaz gassed them all and pretended it was the terrorists.
...again.
I'd prefer if they killed cops instead. then Russians would be more free to kill each other; or the cops antsy and make life harder for the "I don't think about politics" civilians.
Might be ammo, might be low target density. Live a day more terror again somewhere else.
If you got away you could drop people of on random roads between towns where there are no cameras etc. drive down to st.Petersburg do it again. Or live as a goat in the mountains
Imagine how people would be alive today if the media had simply not shown these two homosexuals' ugly faces on TV.
The mass shooting phenomena exists today almost entirely because morons with a gripe against the world know they'll get there 15 minutes of fame by killing a bunch of people.
Yeah Eric and Dylan did kill people but the reason they got glamorized and ultimately became pop culture icons is because of the fricking media.
They were on the TIME magazine cover 3 times.
That's ironic because they were obsessed with the film Natural Born Killers and even code named their attack NBK after it. In that film the two main characters are a crime duo who the media (and public) are obsessed with and THEY get put on TIME magazine.
Talk about irony.
That cover really does paint them out to be badasses
You know, this is why women shouldn't be allowed to make decisions, because I guarantee you it was some unfrickable 40 something gossip hag who got her panties wet at the thought of someone killing children and decided to go with this angle
2 months ago
Anonymous
You have mental illness.
2 months ago
Anonymous
but am I wrong?
common schizo W
2 months ago
Anonymous
Not that guy, but usually, someone telling you that you're mentally ill in response to a claim you;ve made means that person thinks you're wrong.
Myself, I just use the term poltard instead.
2 months ago
Anonymous
>wrong
He's not wrong, he's fricking moronic and is showing signs of delusion. He doesn't have a strong enough grasp on reality to be wrong.
Yeah but none on the level of Columbine. All the previous ones were kids with .22s just showing up and pulling them out, no real plan.
Eric and Dylan planned it for a year and even planted 20lb propane bombs in the Cafeteria. It was meant to be a bombing OKC style.
That level of preparation was unheard of, not to mention Eric and Dylan were pretty much the first to do it with the intent to kill themselves. Everyone else got caught and arrested.
Yeah Eric and Dylan did kill people but the reason they got glamorized and ultimately became pop culture icons is because of the fricking media.
They were on the TIME magazine cover 3 times.
That's ironic because they were obsessed with the film Natural Born Killers and even code named their attack NBK after it. In that film the two main characters are a crime duo who the media (and public) are obsessed with and THEY get put on TIME magazine.
Talk about irony.
https://i.imgur.com/rmPnhId.jpg
Imagine how people would be alive today if the media had simply not shown these two homosexuals' ugly faces on TV.
The mass shooting phenomena exists today almost entirely because morons with a gripe against the world know they'll get there 15 minutes of fame by killing a bunch of people.
>Hurr durr da media causes it
Because Whitman's shooting spree was also a media sensation and plastered everywhere with his ugly mug and didn't provoke a slew of imitators.
Why is that? Because society was different. There's something fundamentally broken in American society today and school shootings are just one symptom of it.
2 months ago
Anonymous
University Student with mental issues. Eric and Dylan were both depressed and suicidal but none were psychopathic (Despite what you've read)
2 months ago
Anonymous
Also I wasn't stating Eric and Dylan did what they did because of media, I was saying the irony of the connection between NBK and TIME magazine. I agree that there is something in modern society that is broken and causing this.
I'm not here to say video games or movies caused that shit
2 months ago
Anonymous
>something fundamentally broken in American society today
They're called Democrats. Every blue state and city has these issues a hundred times more than red states and towns, and yet it's "our" problem.
2 months ago
Anonymous
>muh tribe gud
Brainlet 89IQ take
The problems seem to have taken hold under Reagan, Bush and Clinton who were all highly conservative figures, they all deregulated banks and business, eroded safety nets etc.
Clinton is often called the best Republican president the Democrats ever had.
2 months ago
Anonymous
If the media didn't cause it, why was it unheard of for almost a century of easy to access firearms? Kids where bringing varmint rifles to school for extracurriculars, there where full auto smgs and rifles everywhere. No shootings.
2 months ago
Anonymous
The media just made it more covered and documented outside of the local newspaper
2 months ago
Anonymous
Wider social rot.
I disregard anyone whose only proposed solution to school shootings is violating freedom of the press.
People have a right to know who did it and why they did it. They covered up the Columbine Basement Tapes to "prevent copycats." Did it work? Hell no. It was a failed experiment.
Some disenfranchised people just found Eric and Dylan's message to be compelling.
2 months ago
Anonymous
Eric and Dylan are still the only shooters that interest me, and dare I say feel some empathy for.
2 months ago
Anonymous
one thing I can give them props for is letting that one dude go who literally did no harm and showed no hostility towards them.
2 months ago
Anonymous
Yeah that was interesting. It saddens me when I think about how they were 2 weeks away from graduation. 2 weeks they had to wait and they could kiss goodbye to all that school bullshit and never talk or deal with the idiots again.
Its sad because when you are in school it seems so important and the end all to life but once you leave you realize how pathetic it is.
I guess I just feel bad that the only thing they felt was the answer to their pain was to inflict it on others. They just threw their life and others' away.
2 months ago
Anonymous
>It saddens me when I think about how they were 2 weeks away from graduation.
It was not about bullying or anything, they were counterstrike morons who did it for fun.
2 months ago
Anonymous
It did happen, you just didn't hear about it as much in the days before cable TV and 24hr news cycles
2 months ago
Anonymous
>if shooters are in immediate vicinity or better yet visible
Take cover, aim, and pray to frick that .45 (because god knows I’m not carrying my fricking AK or AR or some shit openly in a theater) can get at least a few of them. Have a Glock 21 so you figure two to three mags is nearly 40 bullets, and if I’m close by odds are I’ll be a target either way. >if not
GTFO because dealing with three gunmen with automatic weapons whose only location I have to go off of is the report of their rifles is a near death sentence anyway you look at it. Exception being should my hypothetical wife and/or children be in there, and even then my main priority would be to get them out. Also need to keep in mind any police response likely won’t take the time to differentiate the shooters from armed civvie.
While you’re absolutely correct American society as it is now is fricked up for so many different reasons, the media certainly didn’t help it either. News companies live for sensationalist schlock that gets people reading headlines and buying magazines or tuning into networks, hell back in the late 1800’s it got us in a war with Spain over what was a genuine accident that blew up the USS Maine. Those caked up homosexuals in suits absolutely fueled the flames for more disturbed people to decide to go out with a literal bang for their 15 minutes of fame.
Mass shootings are more of a symptom of basic societal breakdown, lack of community, and the failure of the public school system as it has morphed into a day-prison for kids. Listening to my parents talk about their time in school vs what I experienced is like night and day. I'm really not surprised that some kids go completely batshit insane and snap.
It's not the school it's the parents. There's only so much a teacher can do when psychos with fricked up parents who don't give a shit drop them off every morning. Look at that kid who saw demons and his parents were out cheating on eachother and riding horses or some shit ignoring it.
No thats a common lie. Eric did kill more but it was because he had the better guns. He wasn't any more charismatic than Dylan.
Eric killed 8
Dylan killed 5
Dylan had a TEC-9 that kept jamming and a sawed off double barrel 12ga so he had to reload every 2 rounds. In his head though he thought he killed as many as Eric because he wounded a lot and shot many people point blank and in the head but a lot of them survived.
They weren't particularly aggressive and had zero skill at whatever they were doing if you look at the videos
I could drop them all easily if I had a rifle and didn't shit myself immediately
Those dudes got a kill count of several dozens, possibly hundred+, while strolling around the place in an almost relaxed fashion. No way they were expecting police.
Of course they weren't expecting cops. They scooted when cops told them to. It's all organized.
And now cops have "caught" some random muzzies.
Because killing massive numbers of Russians is the job of the Russian government, and they get pissed when a foreign government (like Germany) tries usurping their role.
Russia still denies very basic facts about this event, for example they claim no demands were made. It’s actually bizarre how far from reality the official kremlin narrative is, it would be like if the White House claimed the columbine shooters were actually black
I'm pretty sure the official /misc/ narrative regarding any US mass shooting is that it was a false flag that didn't happen, but it should happen again
Did the suspects escape? I've heard it say Russia later reports they arressted all the suspects but if Russia says the sky is blue you maybe want to go check because that's probably no longer the case.
It's wild to me that the simplest possible terror attack, a few guys with rifles walking into a theater and lighting people up, is somehow only possibly achievable by the Ukrainians. France fell for this bullshit a decade ago but apparently Moscow is immune to it?
Al-Qaeda actually got mad at Iran for calling 9/11 a false flag and also told them that they're just coping because they could never bring America to its knees like they did.
>commit a terrorist attack in Moscow >drive 500+ kilometers across Russia (assuming they take the shortest route) >just waltz across the border into Ukraine
This plan is so utterly moronic that no doubt some Russians will actually believe it to be true.
is anyone this fricking stupid? like Russians have to be somewhat aware this is fruitcakes, right? Like Id give them a pass because of the whole gulag thing but no one can actually believe this is at all a feasible plan.
Can't wait until it turns out that the Ukrainians actually did offer passage, but it was an offer given to someone contacting them under false pretenses (they were Russian rebels who were going to hit a military installation then run, or something) and was immediately rescinded the moment the news of the terror attack came out.
If it is the case the next big missile wave is going to be concentrated directly at civilian infrastructure in Kyiv, or Kharkiv is getting hit max effort. Calling it now. I hate Russians so much.
I am moderately certain they wouldn't bother with durkas for security reasons for exactly this reason. I heard they were closer to Belarus than Ukraine which might make some more sense being less guarded
>but no one can actually believe this is at all a feasible plan.
(Alleged)perpetrators were detained in bryansk oblast, on the road that leads to border with ukraine and nowhere else.
If you believe what russia is saying, they were driving(the same car they left in, and speeding all the way because they covered a large distance very fast) towards ukraine and almost made it.
Unironic humiliation ritual. Common in puccia. >make obvious lie/outrageous claim >if people express doubts they know they go to gulag >therefore everyone pretends to be moronic and believe it (except for those who already are moronic)
This only works in utterly buckbroken nations. Basically "look, we can make shit up and you won't say anything no matter how moronic it is, because you're good little cucks".
>is anyone this fricking stupid?
The average Russian has ingested so much propaganda at this point that he desperately WANTS to believe it was the evil hohols and he will do so even if you present absolute ironclad proof that it was actually ISIS/FSB/local gangs/random psychos.
That aside though, it's absolutely wild how many inconsistencies the original story has. >wannabe jihadis receive orders from "an anonymous person on Telegram" to shoot up a concert hall for $5k apiece (for reference, they could've made more money by simply selling their getaway car and guns), somehow also receive weapons and explosives from that same person >they gear up, somehow procure a car (at current used car prices in Russia, this should've cost them their entire advance fee and then some), drive up to the concert hall entirely unmolested by highway cops or security cams >go in, shoot a bunch of random civilians, leave, then, somehow the entire ROOF of the building catches on fire >the assaulted building is like 5 minutes away from the local police station and dorm and only a couple blocks from a SWAT base, yet none of them arrive until more than an hour later (official version is that they were "stuck in traffic") >at this point the jihadis' car is caught on camera with the license plates clearly visible, but somehow they manage to spend at least a couple of hours in Friday night highway traffic and then keep driving a few hundred km towards Bryansk >they get "caught" and appear on camera saying they received their instructions from an anonymous "assistant to an islamic preacher" on TG >the original report places them closer to the Belorussian border than Ukraine, but that gets memoryholed quickly >some Belorussian official goes on record saying that they've "stopped the terrorists from crossing our shared border" >Putin finally wakes up, makes his statement
My own schizo theory is that this was originally planned to be some kinda small, staged "terror attack" that FSB would heroically stop and then the right people would receive their medals and promotions, but the monkeys on the ground went off script and caught everyone with their pants down. I cannot explain the absolute moronation displayed by everyone involved otherwise.
2 months ago
Anonymous
After the staged evidence photo where they laid out copies of the Sims 3 instead of eSIM cards (Cyrillic "e" looks like 3), we know FSB agents have been playing a shitty game of telephone with their instructions.
2 months ago
Anonymous
is there any reason they did that though? what was it? laziness? contempt? or ignorance?
2 months ago
Anonymous
cosmic joke
2 months ago
Anonymous
Russian national character? They have to do something, but everyone knows everything, so they don't actually do the thing just go through the motions to give an appearance of it.
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That's some Xitter account. I haven't heard anything about Putin making a statement but it seems like the media outlets and Telegram channels got the signal to insinuate about Ukrainian "connections" which don't exist. The suspects were about to cross the Ukrainian border (even though they were closer to Belarus), they had some nebulous ties to Ukraine (even though in the interrogation video the suspect says he doesn't know who hired him on Telegram, and his story doesn't make much sense to begin with), etc. And, of course, the old "who smelled it dealt it" in regard to America's warning. TASS's source acknowledged that America shared the warning through official channels before going public, but also that the intel they provided wasn't concrete, just a general warning.
He did. He unironically said >we are a multinational society and this will not divide us
Other than that he just said the terrorists were fleeing towards Ukraine, but nothing besides that.
>>we are a multinational society and this will not divide us
I remember when /misc/ used to clown on motherfrickers saying this instead of rooting for them
2 months ago
Anonymous
the spastic response to trump will never cease to be the most intense cringe of the century
2 months ago
Anonymous
Speak for yourself, I find the copers still pretending he won the 2020 election way cringier than that
>And, of course, the old "who smelled it dealt it" in regard to America's warning
Lmao. This attitude, alone, is responsible for probably 40% of the world's problems. If someone comes to you and gives you an accurate warning of something about to happen you shouldn't just disregard it because you dislike them or put the blame for the thing happening on them.
We have a literal phrase in the west for it. "Don't shoot the messenger". It's stunning that the Russians haven't figured this out culturally yet.
>Right guys here's the plan >We shoot up a mall >Then we run away for some reason, despite almost every other terrorist attack fighting to the bitter end, (Bataclan, Kenya etc.) >We do this for the grand total of $5000 >Yes, a substantial amount of money >We all run in the same car we leave in, no need to split up or change vehicles >We make our way to the Ukrainian border, which in order to get to we'll have to cross multiple russian checkpoints, military exclusion zones and the frontline in an active warzone >And again, think of the vast riches we'll be paid for this, the five thousand dollaridoodies
How the frick do the Russians think anyone is going to buy this story.
THE FSB ARE FRICKING MORONS lol.
Surprised they havent planted some captured western weapons from Ukraine yet, obviously these NATO sponsored terrorists used a Javelin and M-4's, not AK's and home made firebombs.
Sorry for the Shitter, first link I found: https://twitter.com/wartranslated/status/1771518223424377137?t=5Ph47t_6SoyqeDRoauTdtw&s=19
Apparently the ukronazijews are in cahoots with ISIS because...just becsuse they are, ok?
>gets warning from CIA >blows it off >entire vatnikstan sekrit service >oblivious for a week or more >police station in next building >2 hour response time >anti-terrorism HQ a block away >clueless, no response at all
But, 8 hours AFTER the attack .....
OH MUHR FOHCKKIN' GAWRD!! T3H HOLHOLPIGGIES DID IT!!!!! WE HAVE CRACKED T3H CODES AND MADE rozziya GREAT AGAIN!!!!!
>I am so fricking sick of this manlet
Better get used to him, he's achieved full dear-leader status.
He's sitting on his chair till he dies of natural causes because he rules over a mass of spineless cowards who'd rather bleed out with shrapnel up their ass in a muddy trench in ukraine than beat up some HOMOs in the streets.
Call Gecko45 and his rapid deployment force to get their 350 pound asses on their little golf cart down to Dick’s and have the man himself flip out of some bushes and use some forbidden ninjutsu technique to subdue the criminals.
So basically Russian internal security has been so busy investigating potential Ukie hijinks within Russia that they've completely missed a bog-standard Islamist gunman attack being planned under their noses?
thumbs up their asses kind of outwardly seems to be the way they do things in Russia
this scenario of secret police in charge of security being unaware of external threats actually goes all the way back to the founding of what would become Russia. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fire_of_Moscow_(1571)
Or too busy locking up anti-war babushkas for making posts on social media. What better time to strike? ISIS is also probably fine with people on both sides of the front line claiming the FSB/SBU/CIA did a false flag. Better for apostate regimes to continue fighting each other.
>ISIS is also probably fine with people on both sides of the front line claiming the FSB/SBU/CIA did a false flag.
theyre not, these kinds of things are their recruitment tools
Taking the cynical nihilistic view, why would they actually care? If they knew it's gonna happen, why would they stop it? Does anyone suspect russian "aurmthorities" of valuing human life, Christian, Muslim or otherwise? (Yes yes I know, >>>)
Maybe they welcomed daesh doing for them what might have resulted in signature illegible kind of embarrassment and for free.
>The Russian cries out in pain as he kills your children
Eye for an eye. They can stop their war of aggression at any moment and I'd treat like humans... But they won't.
TZD.
They'd most likely grow up, like their parents, to be just as complicit in their Imperialist Kleptocracy. 85% chance? It's not their "fault", of course, but war is evil; Russia should stop starting them. Compassion is only weakness when you're dealing with nihilists.
The evil of war is even the soldiers themselves are mostly "Innocent", as they are "Just following orders". The blame is collective, and the consequences are, too. Every Russian citizen that voted Putin killed those children in Ukraine, and also everyone who cared more about avoiding personal risk than fighting to overthrow Putin. If they want war, and children have to die in war, it should be theirs. TZD.
Reminder that NONE of the terrorists have been apprehended or killed, but the r*ssians are still posting videos of random churkas they've apprehended and beat up trying to torture forth a confession
>Putin says in live address to the nation all the attackers are apprehended
What happens if this turns out to be (obviously) a lie and there's another attack inside of a week? Lying about results might work for them in the context of a war (6 gorrillian HIMARS destroyed and a dozen Boris Johnsons) but doesn't exactly fly so high when it comes to counterterrorism/public safety
They can always say it was a different group of terrorists and blame Ukraine for it. It’ll fly perfectly with the Russian public and no questions will be asked.
>What happens if this turns out to be (obviously) a lie and there's another attack inside of a week? >They shot up the memorial service of the shooting
Imagine the shitstorm. For their sake, they better get the actual group responsible because these motherfrickers are actually doing so well they got away with it, and who knows what the frick is gonna happen next.
whether or not they actually have people in their custody that are responsible for this event is not really confirmed, is it? they were not in any position to intercept their actions yesterday, can it reasonably be expected for them to have swiftly apprehended anyone?
Of course not, I would trust neither group, for the aforementioned reasons articulated in the context of IS, and because the authorities in Moscow have been found to be tragically flat footed, and will likely look for the lowest effort and most immediate means of covering their asses.
These groups have incentive to lie when they're weak and no incentive to lie when they're strong. That's why they lied about the 2017 las vegas shooting (when they were getting their shit pushed in by like 30 different countries) but were pretty much immediately accurate about the shit in France in 2015. They claimed responsibility the next day.
If it helps IS make Russia look weak they're going to genuinely take responsibility.
>FSB grabs random dudes and tortures confessions out of them >CIA Ukrainian israeli Nazi terrorists are executed >ISIS eventually releases interviews with the shooters who show off go pro footage of their attack and walk through step by step how they did it and plan to do it again but with even more shooters
Lmao you think ISIS needs to smuggle men and automatic weapons into Russia. There's no shortage of muslims or illegal full automatic weapons in Russia.
Same old, same old. >Increased security measures were introduced to Russian cities after the crisis. More than 10,000 people without proper documents were detained by Moscow police in a "terrorist hunt". >Colonel Magomed Tolboyev, a cosmonaut and Hero of the Russian Federation, was attacked and brutally beaten by a Moscow police patrol because of his Chechen-sounding name.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Beslan_school_siege
this image is among my favorite memes I keep close to my heart
Stalin loses his favourite pipe. In a few days, Lavrenti calls Stalin: "Have you found your pipe?" "Yes," replies Stalin. "I found it under the sofa." "This is impossible!" exclaims Beria. "Three people have already confessed to this crime!"[16]
I still can't believe those arrogant homosexuals in Moscow got warned by the US, who Putin then in turn accused them of trying to destabilize Russia and make the government look bad with crazy talk. >"All that resembles open blackmail and an attempt to frighten and destabilise our society,”
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It's because Putin knows he would absolutely not warn America if the situations were reversed. Remember that they put bounties on American soldiers in Afghanistan and Trump attempted to cover it up for them.
Now all that's left to do is purge someone in Russian security to take the blame for the Tsar screwing up
Iran used to pay the Taliban for killing coalition troops, it wasn't much though and I kind of doubt that getting money out of them is kind of difficult at best. Which coincidentally when Russia lies down with Persians, Russians get the fleas and in this case its ISIS-K apparently via Tajikistan. I'm still not quite on board with Russia paying bounties, its sort of a high risk diplomatically for not a lot of gain for them.
The much shorter and older way of describing it is with the ancient Greek word "hubris", a critical narrative element in all ancient Greek tragedies and most comedies
The more things change the more they stay the same
>"hoist on your own petard"
So, indulge me in a short, educational effortpost.
"Petard" is a French word, and transliterates to "evil wind" or "foul breeze," some sort of equivalent (I think I've seen it called "little death" before, not sure). As might be imagined, it was a common term for a fart. This goes back to Medieval times and probably earlier.
Upon the invention and use of gunpowder, the word was somewhat repurposed to also describe an explosion, usually something like setting off a small barrel of gunpowder. In particular to the context of this phrase, during war time military sappers/engineers would attempt to get close to stone fortifications, castles, bunkers, etc. and emplace a powder keg (or several), then set them off as a demolition charge to breech defenses.
Well, as might also be imagined, back in the 14th century or so, "military engineer" wasn't quite the polished & educated profession we are familiar with today. Any drunk horse fricker blasted on absinthe and stupid enough to carry kegs filled with powder onto a battlefield was referred to as a sapper/engineer, etc. And, mistakes were fairly common ... meaning, said sappers managed to blow themselves up regularly due to their highly educated and professional understanding of how explosions works.
This led to the deliberate double entendre of saying they were "hoisted by their own petard." The pun specifically evoking imagery were they farted so hard they were explosively blown up into the air.
in the business we call this "pride before a fall"
or "hoist on your own petard" (in this case, moron)
It's because Putin knows he would absolutely not warn America if the situations were reversed. Remember that they put bounties on American soldiers in Afghanistan and Trump attempted to cover it up for them.
if I'm not mistaken that bit about bounties is a falsehood. Your intention to mention Trump in this context is rather underhanded, as under his watch US forces turned attacking russians into hamburger
Yeah. As much as I dislike Trump, I suspect the Russian bounties story was an election-year ploy to pressure him away from withdrawing troops from Afghanistan. Then once Biden got in and the troop withdrawals were underway, they were like "oh wait we have low confidence in that intelligence."
Yeah. As much as I dislike Trump, I suspect the Russian bounties story was an election-year ploy to pressure him away from withdrawing troops from Afghanistan. Then once Biden got in and the troop withdrawals were underway, they were like "oh wait we have low confidence in that intelligence."
> is a falsehood
Nope, there was definitely a bounties program. The only question is whether and to what extent Russia was involved. Russia got away with it because the money was laundered through multiple third parties, which makes tracking it very difficult so the CIA downgraded it to "low-medium confidence". There's also rumours they downgraded it because Biden was afraid it was political dynamite and could actually lead to WW3 because Americans would get so mad about it.
At any rate I believe it and I believe Trump covered it up. I'm not an American and I don't give a shit about your election, both Biden and Trump have the same policies about my country.
>I believe it and I believe Trump covered it up
you're like a revers zigger
2 months ago
Anonymous
It's interesting how fast the FSBBlack folk who monitor /k/ are on this and how vehemently they deny it and try to poison the well.
>>Nope, there was definitely a bounties program
how so
It's confirmed and verified that the Taliban paid out bounties and that other bounties were paid out by Rahimullah Aziz acting as a middleman for unknown parties through the same system. You can google all of this and confirm it in a second. Since the Taliban did not need to act through a middleman the question arises over who these mysterious benefactors were. Intelligence points at two main culprits, Iran and Russia.
2 months ago
Anonymous
When are you going back to /chug/?
2 months ago
Anonymous
Why are you trying so hard to poison the well?
2 months ago
Anonymous
I detect abrasive liars injecting irrelevant invective into a thread covering current events and that's all there is to it.
2 months ago
Anonymous
I was backing up a statement with regard to the current event with an argument I believe to be based in truth. When challenged I provided the reasons why I believe it, and confirmed what is able to be confirmed.
Now frick off and go back to getting your FSB discord gays to spam the report button on my posts, niglet.
2 months ago
Anonymous
I will do no such thing, provide evidence that such a thing exists, and that Trump is involved, or get your divide and conquer ass back to /chug/
2 months ago
Anonymous
>confirmed and verified that the Taliban paid out bounties and that other bounties were paid out by Rahimullah Aziz acting as a middleman for unknown parties through the same system
by who, where? this is your claim why dont you show some proof
2 months ago
Anonymous
Spend 30 seconds googling it mr FSB proofster Black person
I will do no such thing, provide evidence that such a thing exists, and that Trump is involved, or get your divide and conquer ass back to /chug/
Ditto
2 months ago
Anonymous
You are not helping by dumping your opinions in this thread. Stop posting.
2 months ago
Anonymous
>we've gotten to the point where he false flags as others to try to slide the thread
Lmao. Angry that you got called out after saying something as moronic as "nothing changed between 2013 and 2024"?
>let the actual adults talk thanks
Kid, you're not even 12. I think Habbo Hotel is more your speed.
2 months ago
Anonymous
You are at this point clearly here to cause problems and divert discussion with emotional appeals and abrasive conduct. Classic observed /chug/ behavior. you know what, you ought to consider attending a concert in moscow
2 months ago
Anonymous
>nothing changed between 2013 and 2024
kek that's me, moron, and the fact that you don't remember this proves that you're underageb&
2 months ago
Anonymous
i know burden of proof often falls on the accused in the shithole youre from, but it doesnt work that way in my country
It's also harder to be "sad at russia", when 1, I'm already sad for the poor fricks in there, and 2, it's classic Putin to kill a few hundreds civilians in attacks and use that to... Keep doing whatever it is he's doing. Showing he didnt even need to do it in the first place.
Chechnyan war V3
2 months ago
Anonymous
It's unfortunate that there are many past events that draw comparison to what has just taken place, it's a good idea not to jump to conclusions because holy shit it could in fact be anything at this point, even with the outlier explanations forming.
>not just shooting him >mutilating him as a method of boasting >after you've already lost
My god we're going back to the 90s/early 2000s era of constant islamic terror attacks in Russia, aren't we?
>not just shooting him >mutilating him as a method of boasting >after you've already lost
My god we're going back to the 90s/early 2000s era of constant islamic terror attacks in Russia, aren't we?
But he's almost certainly not the actual culprit and the people who caught him know that.
This is an old, old grudge they have against Russia and I don't think they're ready to let it go.
More likely there's blood in the water they smell, state is weakened by a long war in Ukraine and the border is porous enough for anyone to just wander in and do what they go to do
That's what I'm thinking too anon. I think the constant drone attacks and the Belgorod raids are what did it. China would frick you up then go on an air striking spree in whatever country you came from just to get experience but Russia has its hands full and can barely keep the Ukrainian border safe, let alone the Chinese one or any of the southern republics.
Russia created a problem, and it invited more problems. Very plausible.
>and the border is porous enough for anyone to just wander
You don't need to "wander in".
Russia imports hundreds of thousands of migrant workers from tajikistan every year, with very loose demands and screening; and gives out hundreds of thousands citizenships, again to tajiks.
Its more or less created a 'hole' in the security apparatus a state would normally have in place when bringing people in.
With everyone running around looking up for drones, around them for Ukrainians (they could be anywhere!) and a Russian-Military force blowing up Belgorod which isn't friendly. There's plenty to look at so any kind of nuanced operation by another party is just going to be missed. Then on top of that, you've got the Nalveny-followers, anti-war protesters and poll booth inkers to catch so even the basic b***h cops are probably pulling extra shifts to give a shit what people from Tajikistan are up to.
Tajikistan is pretty rocky politically and has had to call in 'help' from Russian troops, who in turn did what they tend to do when let off the leash. So there might be a few 'blood debts' owing from that as well
Yep. This isn't the fault of Ukraine though, this is just what happens when states begin to fail.
"Failed state" has a specific meaning by the way.
>A failed state is a state that has lost its ability to fulfill fundamental security and development functions, lacking effective control over its territory and borders. >Common characteristics of a failed state include a government incapable of tax collection, law enforcement, security assurance, territorial control, political or civil office staffing, and infrastructure maintenance. >When this happens, widespread corruption and criminality, the intervention of state and non-state actors, the appearance of refugees and the involuntary movement of populations, sharp economic decline, and military intervention from both within and outside the state are much more likely to occur.[3]
The shit in Belgorod is a normal military action, so that's not a sign of a failed state. But this? If it turns out that the Russian intelligence and police just completely failed to prevent, stop, or apprehend the people responsible at any point, then yeah that's going into failed state territory. Say what you want about the US or the French or the UK, they can drop the wrath of God onto a terrorist after he's revealed himself.
>and the border is porous enough for anyone to just wander
You don't need to "wander in".
Russia imports hundreds of thousands of migrant workers from tajikistan every year, with very loose demands and screening; and gives out hundreds of thousands citizenships, again to tajiks.
>Stop talking about something you have no knowledge of
Speak for yourself Black person
2 months ago
Anonymous
He's right, if you don't see how the situation has changed in 11 years you're either physically or mentally underdeveloped and should shut your prostitute mouth.
2 months ago
Anonymous
You're the one who tried to use a case from 2013 as an example, moron. You realize that basically every western country turned against Russia after a certain series of events in 2014, right? Or are you so young you don't even remember the clankening?
Okay samegay
2 months ago
Anonymous
You're the one who tried to use a case from 2013 as an example, moron. You realize that basically every western country turned against Russia after a certain series of events in 2014, right? Or are you so young you don't even remember the clankening?
>the attitude of Russia changing between then and now
No it didn't. Maybe you just didn't notice before 2016.
2 months ago
Anonymous
You are actually a teenager. Holy frick. Or maybe you're a brainrotted /misc/ addict considering the year you picked. Either way you should book a long bus ride without wifi.
2 months ago
Anonymous
Looks like I was right on the mark.
2 months ago
Anonymous
We were literally there for the shit in Crimea you disingenuous hollering monkey. The only person who said anything about 2016 was you.
2 months ago
Anonymous
>Russian expansionism only started in 2014
Are you over 18?
2 months ago
Anonymous
Did I say that, you fricking moron?
2 months ago
Anonymous
Yes you fricking moron. You said the situation changed between 2013 and now and the only people that think this are your brand of buffoons that only started seeing Russia as an adversary at the end of 2016.
2 months ago
Anonymous
>he's trying to pretend that the real big change wasn't something that happened between 2013 and 2016 >when the context for this was intelligence sharing from Russia to the US in 2011 to 2012
Yep, /misc/ user confirmed. Shut your mouth please.
You are a fricking moron
And you're a degenerate who needs to have a website named after him showing all the posts he's ever made in order that he'll never get a girlfriend, friends, or a job. See? Both of us can be hostile, moron.
2 months ago
Anonymous
>And you're a degenerate who needs to have a website named after him showing all the posts he's ever made in order that he'll never get a girlfriend, friends, or a job. See? Both of us can be hostile, moron.
Touched a nerve there did I buddy?
2 months ago
Anonymous
No anon, I'm saying that without anger. You are worthless. Now stop posting and let the actual adults talk thanks.
>all those other times Russia invaded a country didn't really matter, just this one particular incident for no specific reason
The raging moron strikes again!
>incident
[...]
2 months ago
Anonymous
>let the actual adults talk thanks
Kid, you're not even 12. I think Habbo Hotel is more your speed.
2 months ago
Anonymous
>all those other times Russia invaded a country didn't really matter, just this one particular incident for no specific reason
The raging moron strikes again!
As a side note I hate new /misc/ homosexuals so much. >he's called me out? >shit, uh, I'll do something that will really shock and insult him! >I'll call him a Black person!
Like holy fricking shit we had Putin in TV interviews stating that Aegis Ashore was the red line and he was going to make nuclear cruise missiles and shit as a direct result in like 2015, but noooo, the US and Russia have always been best buds and they'd totally cooperate. I bet his source is a fricking /chug/ post.
By invading your neighbors to create a buffer zone, not realizing you just expanded the border.
No, seriously, this is the Russian/Soviet internal security reasoning for centuries.
>No, seriously, this is the Russian/Soviet internal security reasoning for centuries.
only because there have been no serious contesters in asia besides WW2 nipps and even those were a temporary threat. Seriously its ridiculous how vulnerable siberia is. Overextension if there ever was a example. Russias natural eastern border is the Ural mountains, not fricking Okhotsk sea right next to the crammed and busy asian hives of japan, korea and china
too bad changs current emperor is a absolute midwit moron. This is the golden opportunity to make a move on the north starting with vladivostok. Even incomptent chang potemkin village of a military should in theory be able to do it by swarming the place and digging in. way more realistic then taiwan
The bugs are already invading Siberia.Russia is just unable to stop them.They have been sending settlers to the region for years now. >his is the golden opportunity to make a move on the north
Why ?They will get the land anyway once it's mostly han chinese and russia is a puppet state.Being greedy is what got russia into this mess in the first place.
they have been trying that for near 40 years. at one point the state even offered money to women to marry russian passports.
>why?
cause they need administrative rights over siberia if they really want to exploit it to the fullest. This slow infiltrations shit is not going anywhere and not yielding much results. Case in point lake baikal. Changs spent years buy land and setting up a way to extract fresh water from it and divert it down to the polluted core provinces. Local russian getting a wind of this plan threw a huge stink and Moscow stepped in boycotting the whole thing. Years of investment down the drain for in these dictatorships whatever the emperors office decrees is law. No stability or way to counter them like in civilized nations that have independent courts.
Contrary to what the chink propaganda tries to project outward they are anything but long term planners or patient. The disaster at lake baikal threw up a big stink as quite a number of prolific CCP aristocracy got burned by it. Only way they are going to get what they want is throwing vatniks out making it pieces of the official chang empire
You’re a dumb Black person. Taiwan isn’t about territory, it’s about the fact it’s Chinese and being held by a hostile faction.
Imagine if the Confederates had retreated to the Florida Keys, fortified them, allied with the Russians who considered them “brothers in communism because they seized the means of production (black people).” They sent Kirov-class battle cruisers on daily “freedom of navigation” runs between the Keys and Florida, and launched dozens of daily TU-95 patrols 13 miles off our coast from their bases in Cuba.
How long do you think we’d allow hostile Republicans to exist on US soil?
It’s not a matter of territory, it’s a matter of pride and security.
For a zigger to look at it and say, “Boy are the Americans stupid to be concerning themselves with the Keys when Canada is defenseless,” shows a complete lack of understanding of the geopolitical landscape. We don’t need to invade Canada because the Canadians are already selling themselves to us. We own them more than we do any American, so why would we make them Americans?
It’s the Republicans in the Keys that would be the thorn in our foot. We would make them submit. Peacefully would be preferred, but if they pushed us, no saber rattling from the Russians would stop us.
nothing in that text blames Russia for the attack, as I state it is only context for what might be motivations for this event, the likes of which Russia has seen for years at various times.
>in 2011
It has gotten to the point that nothing I could wish upon you would be worse than what's already happening in Russia. I hope that you book a flight there, anon.
Alright kid, this is getting sad. Look up the Russian invasion of Georgia. This happened at about the same time as Russia's cyber attacks on Estonia. If there was ever a date when Russia changed, that would be it. Brotip: it was well before 2013.
>ukrainian regime
ah, of course
the russophobic regime led by a pro-peace dumbass who couldn't speak ukrainian for most of his life, and argued with his own soldiers for shooting at russian soldiers
Pro-tip: this kind of shit immediately outs you as a moron to everyone with more than 2 neurons to rub together
>imagine you are a civilian there carrying a weapon
i am civilian and always carry best weapon — the dick. i make terror monkeys pay by rape and force them to become gays with my dick. i force them to become woman to me and their fathers become crushed with regret. this is how IS is dealt with where men still rule which is why they flee from taliban but attack weak effeminate russia
>KGB goons end up capturing an actual proper Islamic Zealot and not just some goat herder who gives lip service to whoever the local warlord is this week
Think they'd be able to get a false confession out of someone who's a religious fanatic that actively looks forward to death?
>that yesterday terrorists got arrested.
are you stupid
Eh reminds me of that joke with the CIA, the FBI and the KGB trying to find a rabbit. My point about the similarities between Bataclan and yesterday attack still stands though.
I wouldn't do a single thing to them. I would let them shoot up the place, fund a report on gun prohibition and collect a bigger budget for the department, that's what we always do.
The state would likely send in SWAT with ARs and plate armor. The police are now militarized with equipment like MRAPs as well. If you are some sort of criminal, terrorist, or communist then you are not on the side of the police.
>*takes 3 hours to arrive* >*stands around looking at phones for an extra hour* >*waits until perps either commit an hero or just escape to go into the building because holy shit there's people with GUNS in there! It might be DANGEROUS!* >*Claims they did everything in their power to save people when every second counts, several injured victims bleed to death waiting for help for 5 hours*
>Noo we can't send you cruise missiles. That'll cause an escalation! - Krauts >Noo, you can't blow up Russian oil refineries, that'll cause an escalation and raise fuel prices! - Yanks >How can we blame these ragheads killing a bunch of civilians on Ukraine so we can escalate things even though it's not related? - Russians
It's sad that the attack happened and so many died. And it's even sadder that putin will use it as a pretext to frick ukraine even more without doing anything about internal security against ISIS caucasia or whoever it is
>It's sad that the attack happened and so many died
I can't shed a single tear for Russians because the morons will immediately smell weakness and try to advance their gay little narrative
Let them all go die in a similar manner
>day 713 of special operation inside Mexico >Gasoline is in short supply, America is unable to export any >The gulf of Mexico has been locked down by Mexican drone jet skis. >We still hold large areas of Baja and Chihuahua which cost us 450,000 kia >After The Flavor Country mutiny of 23' the current rebellion ran by Colonel chaos mattis has seized New Mexico >Bidens attempts to put down the rebellion have led to ABQ being BBQ'D >The B2 bomber bases have been decimated leading to loss of the 3rd arm of the nuclear triad. >This was done by Peruvian CardBoard Box drones >Over a dozen major refininers have been destroyed including 3 in Houston >Last night the Washington DC Opera House was attacked By Haitian Extremists working in Proxy for Cuba. >Our goal is the next Japanese president will change all this even though Spain, Brazil and Portugal have pledged 163 billion in war aid this year.
>imagine you are a civilian there carrying a weapon
.22 target pistol and shooting jacket.
The shooters were walking through like it was a picnic, not checking balconies or expecting any resistance or return fire at all.
One good pistol marksman on the balcony could pop them all with an accurate target pistol and they'd never notice, wouldn't hear it over their own shots and zipping rounds would just sound like their guys behind them shooting past.
Even if they saw one of them go down, they'd never know where the shot came from and would waste another 20 seconds before they started looking at balconies...and then you have concrete and an elevated position so they're probably still not hitting you.
k.
Check these digits
Well for starters this is why you should ignore all gun buster signs
Well for a start I would have authorities that take less than two hours to arrive.
As always, when civilians are allowed to carry there is no soft target anymore. Simply being able to return fire changes everything. A fricking Glock 19 is enough to gain some time. The problem is in that scenario, the terrorists would probably revert back to bombings. There's no perfect solution.
Are you implying that the Bataclan was also a false flag ? Because the GIGN was ready to go there very quickly and they got ordered to not move. It was finally police counter terror units that killed the terrorists more than 2 hours later. Both scenarios are pretty similar, except that yesterday terrorists got arrested.
Let's just say it's a little bit of everything. In any case, a sane society doesn't create school shooters. Switzerland has a lot of firearm owners and they have 0 mass shootings.
>except that yesterday terrorists got arrested.
>that yesterday terrorists got arrested.
are you stupid
Like the Uvalde police department?
Are you really comparing small town cops to premier counter-terror units?
i shoot them
hope this clears things up
i pull out my glock & wesson 45mm
Private 40mm bofors emplacement, turn every tower into a flak tower
Kek
Genocide all muzdogs
An ounce of prevention is worth a pound of cure
not weapons, op
why is it's name written in english anyway?
i thought it was implied to comment on what weapons would you use since its a weapons boarrd
>why is it's name written in english anyway?
Muscovites pine for their English betters.
Lmao thats what the gubbmint collect my taxes for
Why’d they stop at 140 when the russian cops were nowhere in sight? I don’t get it
What I also don’t get is how the squad of several people couldn’t match the kill counts set by Anders “cold coffee” Breivik, Brenton Tarrant, Omar Mateen and Stephen Paddock. What’s up with that?
Because they wanted to get away. All those other guys were content with dying there but these guys had to split once the time was up
Those dudes got a kill count of several dozens, possibly hundred+, while strolling around the place in an almost relaxed fashion. No way they were expecting police.
Ahhhhhh. That makes sense. Not him but the low kill count was so vexing to me. When they were in the lobby did they even shoot those people? That lady in the corner got up and was like <20 feet from a gunman and he didn't finish her off. Even being in a rush, though... This is super weird. It was like priority #1 was setting the whole roof on fire, and killing people was #2 or lower.
Since when do islamic terrorists want to get away? Isn't dying as martyrs what they are supposed to do?
>Why’d they stop at 140 when the russian cops were nowhere in sight? I don’t get it
because it's a false flag attack
Either this, or some Chechens helping out ISIS took theatergoers hostage and the Spetsnaz gassed them all and pretended it was the terrorists.
...again.
Because that's their quota
Their kill count is still going, all the fools were trying to break the record in one day, why not spread it out over a few attacks?
I'd prefer if they killed cops instead. then Russians would be more free to kill each other; or the cops antsy and make life harder for the "I don't think about politics" civilians.
Might be ammo, might be low target density. Live a day more terror again somewhere else.
If you got away you could drop people of on random roads between towns where there are no cameras etc. drive down to st.Petersburg do it again. Or live as a goat in the mountains
Eric and Dylan stopped at 13 when they had free range with the entire school for an hour.
Imagine how people would be alive today if the media had simply not shown these two homosexuals' ugly faces on TV.
The mass shooting phenomena exists today almost entirely because morons with a gripe against the world know they'll get there 15 minutes of fame by killing a bunch of people.
Yeah Eric and Dylan did kill people but the reason they got glamorized and ultimately became pop culture icons is because of the fricking media.
They were on the TIME magazine cover 3 times.
That's ironic because they were obsessed with the film Natural Born Killers and even code named their attack NBK after it. In that film the two main characters are a crime duo who the media (and public) are obsessed with and THEY get put on TIME magazine.
Talk about irony.
I mean imagine being a victims relative and seeing this at the store
That cover really does paint them out to be badasses
You know, this is why women shouldn't be allowed to make decisions, because I guarantee you it was some unfrickable 40 something gossip hag who got her panties wet at the thought of someone killing children and decided to go with this angle
You have mental illness.
but am I wrong?
common schizo W
Not that guy, but usually, someone telling you that you're mentally ill in response to a claim you;ve made means that person thinks you're wrong.
Myself, I just use the term poltard instead.
>wrong
He's not wrong, he's fricking moronic and is showing signs of delusion. He doesn't have a strong enough grasp on reality to be wrong.
>reddit spacing
The only kid I'm upset about them killing is the one cute one on the top. Rest deserved it for being ugly.
Yeah if they were smart, they would’ve held her hostage as a sex slave
time magazine has always been a rag. like a us version of the dailymail
Time was a far better publication not that long ago. It really seemed to take a turn 14 or 15 years ago.
I was thinking about The PJs just the other day
terrosrism was a thing before those morons , do you think breivik woulnt have had done it if it wasent for them?
School shooting date back further than them.
Yeah but none on the level of Columbine. All the previous ones were kids with .22s just showing up and pulling them out, no real plan.
Eric and Dylan planned it for a year and even planted 20lb propane bombs in the Cafeteria. It was meant to be a bombing OKC style.
That level of preparation was unheard of, not to mention Eric and Dylan were pretty much the first to do it with the intent to kill themselves. Everyone else got caught and arrested.
Charles Whitman.
He also disproves this theory :
>Hurr durr da media causes it
Because Whitman's shooting spree was also a media sensation and plastered everywhere with his ugly mug and didn't provoke a slew of imitators.
Why is that? Because society was different. There's something fundamentally broken in American society today and school shootings are just one symptom of it.
University Student with mental issues. Eric and Dylan were both depressed and suicidal but none were psychopathic (Despite what you've read)
Also I wasn't stating Eric and Dylan did what they did because of media, I was saying the irony of the connection between NBK and TIME magazine. I agree that there is something in modern society that is broken and causing this.
I'm not here to say video games or movies caused that shit
>something fundamentally broken in American society today
They're called Democrats. Every blue state and city has these issues a hundred times more than red states and towns, and yet it's "our" problem.
>muh tribe gud
Brainlet 89IQ take
The problems seem to have taken hold under Reagan, Bush and Clinton who were all highly conservative figures, they all deregulated banks and business, eroded safety nets etc.
Clinton is often called the best Republican president the Democrats ever had.
If the media didn't cause it, why was it unheard of for almost a century of easy to access firearms? Kids where bringing varmint rifles to school for extracurriculars, there where full auto smgs and rifles everywhere. No shootings.
The media just made it more covered and documented outside of the local newspaper
Wider social rot.
I disregard anyone whose only proposed solution to school shootings is violating freedom of the press.
People have a right to know who did it and why they did it. They covered up the Columbine Basement Tapes to "prevent copycats." Did it work? Hell no. It was a failed experiment.
Some disenfranchised people just found Eric and Dylan's message to be compelling.
Eric and Dylan are still the only shooters that interest me, and dare I say feel some empathy for.
one thing I can give them props for is letting that one dude go who literally did no harm and showed no hostility towards them.
Yeah that was interesting. It saddens me when I think about how they were 2 weeks away from graduation. 2 weeks they had to wait and they could kiss goodbye to all that school bullshit and never talk or deal with the idiots again.
Its sad because when you are in school it seems so important and the end all to life but once you leave you realize how pathetic it is.
I guess I just feel bad that the only thing they felt was the answer to their pain was to inflict it on others. They just threw their life and others' away.
>It saddens me when I think about how they were 2 weeks away from graduation.
It was not about bullying or anything, they were counterstrike morons who did it for fun.
It did happen, you just didn't hear about it as much in the days before cable TV and 24hr news cycles
>if shooters are in immediate vicinity or better yet visible
Take cover, aim, and pray to frick that .45 (because god knows I’m not carrying my fricking AK or AR or some shit openly in a theater) can get at least a few of them. Have a Glock 21 so you figure two to three mags is nearly 40 bullets, and if I’m close by odds are I’ll be a target either way.
>if not
GTFO because dealing with three gunmen with automatic weapons whose only location I have to go off of is the report of their rifles is a near death sentence anyway you look at it. Exception being should my hypothetical wife and/or children be in there, and even then my main priority would be to get them out. Also need to keep in mind any police response likely won’t take the time to differentiate the shooters from armed civvie.
While you’re absolutely correct American society as it is now is fricked up for so many different reasons, the media certainly didn’t help it either. News companies live for sensationalist schlock that gets people reading headlines and buying magazines or tuning into networks, hell back in the late 1800’s it got us in a war with Spain over what was a genuine accident that blew up the USS Maine. Those caked up homosexuals in suits absolutely fueled the flames for more disturbed people to decide to go out with a literal bang for their 15 minutes of fame.
Earliest was an injun shooting up a school
Mass shootings are more of a symptom of basic societal breakdown, lack of community, and the failure of the public school system as it has morphed into a day-prison for kids. Listening to my parents talk about their time in school vs what I experienced is like night and day. I'm really not surprised that some kids go completely batshit insane and snap.
It's not the school it's the parents. There's only so much a teacher can do when psychos with fricked up parents who don't give a shit drop them off every morning. Look at that kid who saw demons and his parents were out cheating on eachother and riding horses or some shit ignoring it.
Wasnt nearly all the kills from one guy? The charismatic one, Harris if I'm not wrong.
No thats a common lie. Eric did kill more but it was because he had the better guns. He wasn't any more charismatic than Dylan.
Eric killed 8
Dylan killed 5
Dylan had a TEC-9 that kept jamming and a sawed off double barrel 12ga so he had to reload every 2 rounds. In his head though he thought he killed as many as Eric because he wounded a lot and shot many people point blank and in the head but a lot of them survived.
They weren't particularly aggressive and had zero skill at whatever they were doing if you look at the videos
I could drop them all easily if I had a rifle and didn't shit myself immediately
Maybe they couldn't find any more non-muslims than that?
Of course they weren't expecting cops. They scooted when cops told them to. It's all organized.
And now cops have "caught" some random muzzies.
You are asking too many questions, anon
Paddock didn't kill anybody you schizo
>how would you stop 4 guys with aks in a shopping mall
amazon
pull my concealed carry colt and deadeye all of them
Frick, this sucks
Why didn't they kill more Russians?
Didn't they get away? They live to TZD another day. GIVE THEM YOUR ENERGY!!!
Because killing massive numbers of Russians is the job of the Russian government, and they get pissed when a foreign government (like Germany) tries usurping their role.
No gun zones are danger zones
>Separatist vs Loyalist War in Eastern Europe
>US withdrew from Middle East in Major defeat
>Unironic No Russian style mass shooting in Russia
Get ready for China to invade DC boys because we're unironically living in the Modern Warfare 2 timeline.
I wouldn't call Afghanistan a "major defeat." Defeat, yes, but mostly learning that muzzie tards can't into functional nations.
and that certain other tards can't into properly executing a withdrawal
>china invading DC
with what? I guess lobbiest money but that's it's own thing
I would join in with the terrorists.
MW2 predicted this.
Expect small scale nooks and limited invasions.
All I'm saying is that if I was there, it wouldn't have gone down like that.
You would have died begging on your knees and shitting yourself before you got shot instead?
Calm down Marky Mark.
i pull out my 1911, one mag only
Gas the entire mall and kill way more people than the initial perps
Easy
Russia still denies very basic facts about this event, for example they claim no demands were made. It’s actually bizarre how far from reality the official kremlin narrative is, it would be like if the White House claimed the columbine shooters were actually black
/misc/ told me they were though
I'm pretty sure the official /misc/ narrative regarding any US mass shooting is that it was a false flag that didn't happen, but it should happen again
you think that is a master class in puccia mir think, check out pic related
>pic related
Doesn't mention initial reports of "we shot down another ukrop il-76, hurray!".
I 'member, I also 'member cell phone data of russians operating that system showing their hasty movement back over the border
Did the suspects escape? I've heard it say Russia later reports they arressted all the suspects but if Russia says the sky is blue you maybe want to go check because that's probably no longer the case.
no ukie pows?
It's sort of like Russia looked at Waco and thought "We can do it bigger and better!"
They basically did with Beslan what they would do with rebellions in the Gulag system. Take from that what you will.
first i frick ya mudda
Can't even do their false flags right anymore FSB ain't what it used to be
Too many of them are in some ditch around Kharkiv.
>it couldn't have been the Tajiks
That would be both embarrassing and oddly convenient for the Russians at the same time.
Stop using Viseshit24, holy shit
why?
>putin blaming ukraine on live tv
of course
is there a source on this post?
Sorry for the Shitter, first link I found: https://twitter.com/wartranslated/status/1771518223424377137?t=5Ph47t_6SoyqeDRoauTdtw&s=19
Apparently the ukronazijews are in cahoots with ISIS because...just becsuse they are, ok?
I can’t believe Budanov was able to bribe the entire Moscow police force and FSB
>Ukrainian israeli Nazi ISIS
I was joking earlier when I said that's exactly what they'd frame it as
And then they went and did it
well, at least they haven't yet drawn the martians into this
>the ukrops are now not just nazi-jews, but islamists too
There is no end to their depravity, is there
What are they going to call them next?
The worst sin of them all: cyclists.
karens
He is even worse than a crest, he is, may Allah forgive me for uttering this, Fin*ish
binlan mention :DDDDDDD
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perkele
i wonder if muzzies ever get upset that all their hard work immediately gets dismissed as some government false flag
It's wild to me that the simplest possible terror attack, a few guys with rifles walking into a theater and lighting people up, is somehow only possibly achievable by the Ukrainians. France fell for this bullshit a decade ago but apparently Moscow is immune to it?
14 road highway directly through Kyiv confirmed.
Umm the french attacks were done by the cia?
Al-Qaeda actually got mad at Iran for calling 9/11 a false flag and also told them that they're just coping because they could never bring America to its knees like they did.
>commit a terrorist attack in Moscow
>drive 500+ kilometers across Russia (assuming they take the shortest route)
>just waltz across the border into Ukraine
This plan is so utterly moronic that no doubt some Russians will actually believe it to be true.
This just makes Russia look even more incompetent
is anyone this fricking stupid? like Russians have to be somewhat aware this is fruitcakes, right? Like Id give them a pass because of the whole gulag thing but no one can actually believe this is at all a feasible plan.
Can't wait until it turns out that the Ukrainians actually did offer passage, but it was an offer given to someone contacting them under false pretenses (they were Russian rebels who were going to hit a military installation then run, or something) and was immediately rescinded the moment the news of the terror attack came out.
If it is the case the next big missile wave is going to be concentrated directly at civilian infrastructure in Kyiv, or Kharkiv is getting hit max effort. Calling it now. I hate Russians so much.
I am moderately certain they wouldn't bother with durkas for security reasons for exactly this reason. I heard they were closer to Belarus than Ukraine which might make some more sense being less guarded
>is anyone this fricking stupid?
Yes. They're called "Russians."
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>but no one can actually believe this is at all a feasible plan.
(Alleged)perpetrators were detained in bryansk oblast, on the road that leads to border with ukraine and nowhere else.
If you believe what russia is saying, they were driving(the same car they left in, and speeding all the way because they covered a large distance very fast) towards ukraine and almost made it.
>because they covered a large distance very fast
What distance and how fast?
they saniced 400km to the south, moving towards belarus and ukraine
Unironic humiliation ritual. Common in puccia.
>make obvious lie/outrageous claim
>if people express doubts they know they go to gulag
>therefore everyone pretends to be moronic and believe it (except for those who already are moronic)
This only works in utterly buckbroken nations. Basically "look, we can make shit up and you won't say anything no matter how moronic it is, because you're good little cucks".
>is anyone this fricking stupid?
The average Russian has ingested so much propaganda at this point that he desperately WANTS to believe it was the evil hohols and he will do so even if you present absolute ironclad proof that it was actually ISIS/FSB/local gangs/random psychos.
That aside though, it's absolutely wild how many inconsistencies the original story has.
>wannabe jihadis receive orders from "an anonymous person on Telegram" to shoot up a concert hall for $5k apiece (for reference, they could've made more money by simply selling their getaway car and guns), somehow also receive weapons and explosives from that same person
>they gear up, somehow procure a car (at current used car prices in Russia, this should've cost them their entire advance fee and then some), drive up to the concert hall entirely unmolested by highway cops or security cams
>go in, shoot a bunch of random civilians, leave, then, somehow the entire ROOF of the building catches on fire
>the assaulted building is like 5 minutes away from the local police station and dorm and only a couple blocks from a SWAT base, yet none of them arrive until more than an hour later (official version is that they were "stuck in traffic")
>at this point the jihadis' car is caught on camera with the license plates clearly visible, but somehow they manage to spend at least a couple of hours in Friday night highway traffic and then keep driving a few hundred km towards Bryansk
>they get "caught" and appear on camera saying they received their instructions from an anonymous "assistant to an islamic preacher" on TG
>the original report places them closer to the Belorussian border than Ukraine, but that gets memoryholed quickly
>some Belorussian official goes on record saying that they've "stopped the terrorists from crossing our shared border"
>Putin finally wakes up, makes his statement
cont.
cont.
My own schizo theory is that this was originally planned to be some kinda small, staged "terror attack" that FSB would heroically stop and then the right people would receive their medals and promotions, but the monkeys on the ground went off script and caught everyone with their pants down. I cannot explain the absolute moronation displayed by everyone involved otherwise.
After the staged evidence photo where they laid out copies of the Sims 3 instead of eSIM cards (Cyrillic "e" looks like 3), we know FSB agents have been playing a shitty game of telephone with their instructions.
is there any reason they did that though? what was it? laziness? contempt? or ignorance?
cosmic joke
Russian national character? They have to do something, but everyone knows everything, so they don't actually do the thing just go through the motions to give an appearance of it.
Why would they not believe it when the alternative is being beaten into believing it.
This guy really only has one move and its transparent/moronic false flags
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That's some Xitter account. I haven't heard anything about Putin making a statement but it seems like the media outlets and Telegram channels got the signal to insinuate about Ukrainian "connections" which don't exist. The suspects were about to cross the Ukrainian border (even though they were closer to Belarus), they had some nebulous ties to Ukraine (even though in the interrogation video the suspect says he doesn't know who hired him on Telegram, and his story doesn't make much sense to begin with), etc. And, of course, the old "who smelled it dealt it" in regard to America's warning. TASS's source acknowledged that America shared the warning through official channels before going public, but also that the intel they provided wasn't concrete, just a general warning.
He did. He unironically said
>we are a multinational society and this will not divide us
Other than that he just said the terrorists were fleeing towards Ukraine, but nothing besides that.
Got it. Correction noted and I denounce myself.
Diversity is our strength.
>>we are a multinational society and this will not divide us
I remember when /misc/ used to clown on motherfrickers saying this instead of rooting for them
the spastic response to trump will never cease to be the most intense cringe of the century
Speak for yourself, I find the copers still pretending he won the 2020 election way cringier than that
>And, of course, the old "who smelled it dealt it" in regard to America's warning
Lmao. This attitude, alone, is responsible for probably 40% of the world's problems. If someone comes to you and gives you an accurate warning of something about to happen you shouldn't just disregard it because you dislike them or put the blame for the thing happening on them.
We have a literal phrase in the west for it. "Don't shoot the messenger". It's stunning that the Russians haven't figured this out culturally yet.
>Right guys here's the plan
>We shoot up a mall
>Then we run away for some reason, despite almost every other terrorist attack fighting to the bitter end, (Bataclan, Kenya etc.)
>We do this for the grand total of $5000
>Yes, a substantial amount of money
>We all run in the same car we leave in, no need to split up or change vehicles
>We make our way to the Ukrainian border, which in order to get to we'll have to cross multiple russian checkpoints, military exclusion zones and the frontline in an active warzone
>And again, think of the vast riches we'll be paid for this, the five thousand dollaridoodies
How the frick do the Russians think anyone is going to buy this story.
THE FSB ARE FRICKING MORONS lol.
Because if you dont of buys it we just raep yo an of shippings you to the Ukraine
So he just confirmed that it's a false flag?
That means more shootups in the coming days to justify more missile attacks on Kyiv and Kharkiv.
Ah yes we'll need to head to the active Warzone to cross the border and not the Islamic one leading to Azerbeidzjan
Surprised they havent planted some captured western weapons from Ukraine yet, obviously these NATO sponsored terrorists used a Javelin and M-4's, not AK's and home made firebombs.
>gets warning from CIA
>blows it off
>entire vatnikstan sekrit service
>oblivious for a week or more
>police station in next building
>2 hour response time
>anti-terrorism HQ a block away
>clueless, no response at all
But, 8 hours AFTER the attack .....
OH MUHR FOHCKKIN' GAWRD!! T3H HOLHOLPIGGIES DID IT!!!!! WE HAVE CRACKED T3H CODES AND MADE rozziya GREAT AGAIN!!!!!
THIS.
MEANS.
WAR!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I am so fricking sick of this manlet pukestain.
>I am so fricking sick of this manlet
Better get used to him, he's achieved full dear-leader status.
He's sitting on his chair till he dies of natural causes because he rules over a mass of spineless cowards who'd rather bleed out with shrapnel up their ass in a muddy trench in ukraine than beat up some HOMOs in the streets.
I'm gonna get used to seeing his goons get murked all over Ukraine, yeah
> pukestain
> pu . . .t .in
hmmm. Might have cracked the code there.
why contain it?
>stop
why?
I wouldn't say a single word to them. I would listen to what they have to say, and that's what no one did.
For one thing I wouldn’t ignore a warning just because I was butthurt about something else.
how have they begun the process of drawing attention away from this cause and effect
Call Gecko45 and his rapid deployment force to get their 350 pound asses on their little golf cart down to Dick’s and have the man himself flip out of some bushes and use some forbidden ninjutsu technique to subdue the criminals.
Remember to tape trauma plates to your armor against mall nazis!
So basically Russian internal security has been so busy investigating potential Ukie hijinks within Russia that they've completely missed a bog-standard Islamist gunman attack being planned under their noses?
thumbs up their asses kind of outwardly seems to be the way they do things in Russia
this scenario of secret police in charge of security being unaware of external threats actually goes all the way back to the founding of what would become Russia. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fire_of_Moscow_(1571)
Or too busy locking up anti-war babushkas for making posts on social media. What better time to strike? ISIS is also probably fine with people on both sides of the front line claiming the FSB/SBU/CIA did a false flag. Better for apostate regimes to continue fighting each other.
>ISIS is also probably fine with people on both sides of the front line claiming the FSB/SBU/CIA did a false flag.
theyre not, these kinds of things are their recruitment tools
Taking the cynical nihilistic view, why would they actually care? If they knew it's gonna happen, why would they stop it? Does anyone suspect russian "aurmthorities" of valuing human life, Christian, Muslim or otherwise? (Yes yes I know, >>>)
Maybe they welcomed daesh doing for them what might have resulted in signature illegible kind of embarrassment and for free.
They've been busy shitposting all over the internet trying to own the nafotroons and /k/opers
Actually Russian internal security has been shipped off to trench assaults in Ukraine.
I would shoot couple of rounds with T-72 then use RPG7 thermobaric rounds. Should do the trick
lmao 143 less buttholes on the Ukraine front
143 totaled ziggers confirmed?
there's numbers between 40 and 150 cubed flying all over the place rn
There were three children, show a bit of respect
>The Russian cries out in pain as he kills your children
Eye for an eye. They can stop their war of aggression at any moment and I'd treat like humans... But they won't.
TZD.
Like the death of ukrainians was their fault. You fricking idiot.
They'd most likely grow up, like their parents, to be just as complicit in their Imperialist Kleptocracy. 85% chance? It's not their "fault", of course, but war is evil; Russia should stop starting them. Compassion is only weakness when you're dealing with nihilists.
The evil of war is even the soldiers themselves are mostly "Innocent", as they are "Just following orders". The blame is collective, and the consequences are, too. Every Russian citizen that voted Putin killed those children in Ukraine, and also everyone who cared more about avoiding personal risk than fighting to overthrow Putin. If they want war, and children have to die in war, it should be theirs. TZD.
Cry me a river you piece of shit
Fewer.
Reminder that NONE of the terrorists have been apprehended or killed, but the r*ssians are still posting videos of random churkas they've apprehended and beat up trying to torture forth a confession
>Putin says in live address to the nation all the attackers are apprehended
What happens if this turns out to be (obviously) a lie and there's another attack inside of a week? Lying about results might work for them in the context of a war (6 gorrillian HIMARS destroyed and a dozen Boris Johnsons) but doesn't exactly fly so high when it comes to counterterrorism/public safety
They can always say it was a different group of terrorists and blame Ukraine for it. It’ll fly perfectly with the Russian public and no questions will be asked.
>What happens if this turns out to be (obviously) a lie and there's another attack inside of a week?
>They shot up the memorial service of the shooting
Imagine the shitstorm. For their sake, they better get the actual group responsible because these motherfrickers are actually doing so well they got away with it, and who knows what the frick is gonna happen next.
whether or not they actually have people in their custody that are responsible for this event is not really confirmed, is it? they were not in any position to intercept their actions yesterday, can it reasonably be expected for them to have swiftly apprehended anyone?
ISIS posted pictures of the 4 perps and claimed they're still not caught
Would you believe anything that group puts forward? they have every incentive and willingness to stir the pot
Would you trust the Kremlin?
Of course not, I would trust neither group, for the aforementioned reasons articulated in the context of IS, and because the authorities in Moscow have been found to be tragically flat footed, and will likely look for the lowest effort and most immediate means of covering their asses.
These groups have incentive to lie when they're weak and no incentive to lie when they're strong. That's why they lied about the 2017 las vegas shooting (when they were getting their shit pushed in by like 30 different countries) but were pretty much immediately accurate about the shit in France in 2015. They claimed responsibility the next day.
If it helps IS make Russia look weak they're going to genuinely take responsibility.
>That's why they lied about the 2017 las vegas shooting (when they were getting their shit pushed in by like 30 different countries)
Please explain.
isis claimed to do the 2017 vegas glowop, what else is there to say?
>FSB grabs random dudes and tortures confessions out of them
>CIA Ukrainian israeli Nazi terrorists are executed
>ISIS eventually releases interviews with the shooters who show off go pro footage of their attack and walk through step by step how they did it and plan to do it again but with even more shooters
TZD coming along slowly but surely.
if such groups are able to smuggle men and automatic weapons into the country, what else are they doing?
Lmao you think ISIS needs to smuggle men and automatic weapons into Russia. There's no shortage of muslims or illegal full automatic weapons in Russia.
Same old, same old.
>Increased security measures were introduced to Russian cities after the crisis. More than 10,000 people without proper documents were detained by Moscow police in a "terrorist hunt".
>Colonel Magomed Tolboyev, a cosmonaut and Hero of the Russian Federation, was attacked and brutally beaten by a Moscow police patrol because of his Chechen-sounding name.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Beslan_school_siege
reminds me of this
this image is among my favorite memes I keep close to my heart
Stalin loses his favourite pipe. In a few days, Lavrenti calls Stalin: "Have you found your pipe?" "Yes," replies Stalin. "I found it under the sofa." "This is impossible!" exclaims Beria. "Three people have already confessed to this crime!"[16]
>تذكر، لا يوجد عربي.
Captcha: jpAK
>it costs 5000 bucks to find terrorist willing to mow down Ziggers
Damn, Russian lives are dirt cheap.
We can crowd fund them!
I still can't believe those arrogant homosexuals in Moscow got warned by the US, who Putin then in turn accused them of trying to destabilize Russia and make the government look bad with crazy talk.
>"All that resembles open blackmail and an attempt to frighten and destabilise our society,”
Its fricking noice boys
in the business we call this "pride before a fall"
or "hoist on your own petard" (in this case, moron)
Now all that's left to do is purge someone in Russian security to take the blame for the Tsar screwing up
Iran used to pay the Taliban for killing coalition troops, it wasn't much though and I kind of doubt that getting money out of them is kind of difficult at best. Which coincidentally when Russia lies down with Persians, Russians get the fleas and in this case its ISIS-K apparently via Tajikistan. I'm still not quite on board with Russia paying bounties, its sort of a high risk diplomatically for not a lot of gain for them.
or typical soviet crippling paranoia
The much shorter and older way of describing it is with the ancient Greek word "hubris", a critical narrative element in all ancient Greek tragedies and most comedies
The more things change the more they stay the same
>"hoist on your own petard"
So, indulge me in a short, educational effortpost.
"Petard" is a French word, and transliterates to "evil wind" or "foul breeze," some sort of equivalent (I think I've seen it called "little death" before, not sure). As might be imagined, it was a common term for a fart. This goes back to Medieval times and probably earlier.
Upon the invention and use of gunpowder, the word was somewhat repurposed to also describe an explosion, usually something like setting off a small barrel of gunpowder. In particular to the context of this phrase, during war time military sappers/engineers would attempt to get close to stone fortifications, castles, bunkers, etc. and emplace a powder keg (or several), then set them off as a demolition charge to breech defenses.
Well, as might also be imagined, back in the 14th century or so, "military engineer" wasn't quite the polished & educated profession we are familiar with today. Any drunk horse fricker blasted on absinthe and stupid enough to carry kegs filled with powder onto a battlefield was referred to as a sapper/engineer, etc. And, mistakes were fairly common ... meaning, said sappers managed to blow themselves up regularly due to their highly educated and professional understanding of how explosions works.
This led to the deliberate double entendre of saying they were "hoisted by their own petard." The pun specifically evoking imagery were they farted so hard they were explosively blown up into the air.
It's because Putin knows he would absolutely not warn America if the situations were reversed. Remember that they put bounties on American soldiers in Afghanistan and Trump attempted to cover it up for them.
if I'm not mistaken that bit about bounties is a falsehood. Your intention to mention Trump in this context is rather underhanded, as under his watch US forces turned attacking russians into hamburger
Yeah. As much as I dislike Trump, I suspect the Russian bounties story was an election-year ploy to pressure him away from withdrawing troops from Afghanistan. Then once Biden got in and the troop withdrawals were underway, they were like "oh wait we have low confidence in that intelligence."
> is a falsehood
Nope, there was definitely a bounties program. The only question is whether and to what extent Russia was involved. Russia got away with it because the money was laundered through multiple third parties, which makes tracking it very difficult so the CIA downgraded it to "low-medium confidence". There's also rumours they downgraded it because Biden was afraid it was political dynamite and could actually lead to WW3 because Americans would get so mad about it.
At any rate I believe it and I believe Trump covered it up. I'm not an American and I don't give a shit about your election, both Biden and Trump have the same policies about my country.
>I believe it and I believe Trump covered it up
you're like a revers zigger
It's interesting how fast the FSBBlack folk who monitor /k/ are on this and how vehemently they deny it and try to poison the well.
It's confirmed and verified that the Taliban paid out bounties and that other bounties were paid out by Rahimullah Aziz acting as a middleman for unknown parties through the same system. You can google all of this and confirm it in a second. Since the Taliban did not need to act through a middleman the question arises over who these mysterious benefactors were. Intelligence points at two main culprits, Iran and Russia.
When are you going back to /chug/?
Why are you trying so hard to poison the well?
I detect abrasive liars injecting irrelevant invective into a thread covering current events and that's all there is to it.
I was backing up a statement with regard to the current event with an argument I believe to be based in truth. When challenged I provided the reasons why I believe it, and confirmed what is able to be confirmed.
Now frick off and go back to getting your FSB discord gays to spam the report button on my posts, niglet.
I will do no such thing, provide evidence that such a thing exists, and that Trump is involved, or get your divide and conquer ass back to /chug/
>confirmed and verified that the Taliban paid out bounties and that other bounties were paid out by Rahimullah Aziz acting as a middleman for unknown parties through the same system
by who, where? this is your claim why dont you show some proof
Spend 30 seconds googling it mr FSB proofster Black person
Ditto
You are not helping by dumping your opinions in this thread. Stop posting.
>we've gotten to the point where he false flags as others to try to slide the thread
Lmao. Angry that you got called out after saying something as moronic as "nothing changed between 2013 and 2024"?
You are at this point clearly here to cause problems and divert discussion with emotional appeals and abrasive conduct. Classic observed /chug/ behavior. you know what, you ought to consider attending a concert in moscow
>nothing changed between 2013 and 2024
kek that's me, moron, and the fact that you don't remember this proves that you're underageb&
i know burden of proof often falls on the accused in the shithole youre from, but it doesnt work that way in my country
>>Nope, there was definitely a bounties program
how so
So they received warning from 7 countries but ignored all of them?
coz you know its all HATO
South Korea isn’t in NATO
they were obvious HATO naziisraelite lies, islamic terrorism does not exist in glorious russia
For once I haven't seen anybody on my social media change their profile picture in response to this terror attack
Yeah don't get me wrong it's horrific but at the same time I don't really care after what happened at Bucha and their response.
It's also harder to be "sad at russia", when 1, I'm already sad for the poor fricks in there, and 2, it's classic Putin to kill a few hundreds civilians in attacks and use that to... Keep doing whatever it is he's doing. Showing he didnt even need to do it in the first place.
Chechnyan war V3
It's unfortunate that there are many past events that draw comparison to what has just taken place, it's a good idea not to jump to conclusions because holy shit it could in fact be anything at this point, even with the outlier explanations forming.
It'll be interesting to see how hard these moronic troglodytes try to memory hole this
shouldnt be hard for them, they still dont think about the time they killed 300 of their own kids with tanks and missles
Belsan was something... special, though the 1999 bombing in Buynaksk and Ryazan was also sketchy
Foreign intelligence is helpless if the enemy is domestic
>*taps temple*
so now that ISIS is hired by the zelensky regime, will you still support ...
I wouldn't
Step one would be not purging the FSB after Ukraine didn’t fall in two weeks.
I would use the intelligence given by the third party state to reinforce security in that area, district.
One of alleged perpetrators they caught - they have cut off one of his ears when detaining him! Not accidentally. On camera.
>not just shooting him
>mutilating him as a method of boasting
>after you've already lost
My god we're going back to the 90s/early 2000s era of constant islamic terror attacks in Russia, aren't we?
They also tried to make him eat his own cut off ear.
But he's almost certainly not the actual culprit and the people who caught him know that.
This is an old, old grudge they have against Russia and I don't think they're ready to let it go.
More likely there's blood in the water they smell, state is weakened by a long war in Ukraine and the border is porous enough for anyone to just wander in and do what they go to do
That's what I'm thinking too anon. I think the constant drone attacks and the Belgorod raids are what did it. China would frick you up then go on an air striking spree in whatever country you came from just to get experience but Russia has its hands full and can barely keep the Ukrainian border safe, let alone the Chinese one or any of the southern republics.
Its more or less created a 'hole' in the security apparatus a state would normally have in place when bringing people in.
With everyone running around looking up for drones, around them for Ukrainians (they could be anywhere!) and a Russian-Military force blowing up Belgorod which isn't friendly. There's plenty to look at so any kind of nuanced operation by another party is just going to be missed. Then on top of that, you've got the Nalveny-followers, anti-war protesters and poll booth inkers to catch so even the basic b***h cops are probably pulling extra shifts to give a shit what people from Tajikistan are up to.
Tajikistan is pretty rocky politically and has had to call in 'help' from Russian troops, who in turn did what they tend to do when let off the leash. So there might be a few 'blood debts' owing from that as well
Yep. This isn't the fault of Ukraine though, this is just what happens when states begin to fail.
"Failed state" has a specific meaning by the way.
>A failed state is a state that has lost its ability to fulfill fundamental security and development functions, lacking effective control over its territory and borders.
>Common characteristics of a failed state include a government incapable of tax collection, law enforcement, security assurance, territorial control, political or civil office staffing, and infrastructure maintenance.
>When this happens, widespread corruption and criminality, the intervention of state and non-state actors, the appearance of refugees and the involuntary movement of populations, sharp economic decline, and military intervention from both within and outside the state are much more likely to occur.[3]
The shit in Belgorod is a normal military action, so that's not a sign of a failed state. But this? If it turns out that the Russian intelligence and police just completely failed to prevent, stop, or apprehend the people responsible at any point, then yeah that's going into failed state territory. Say what you want about the US or the French or the UK, they can drop the wrath of God onto a terrorist after he's revealed himself.
Russia created a problem, and it invited more problems. Very plausible.
>and the border is porous enough for anyone to just wander
You don't need to "wander in".
Russia imports hundreds of thousands of migrant workers from tajikistan every year, with very loose demands and screening; and gives out hundreds of thousands citizenships, again to tajiks.
fricking tarantino works for the fsb now? holy shit
eerie.
Probably needed some extra incentive to confess he was working for Ukraine and HATO instead of you know being a churka working for ISIS.
Proofs?
https://2ch-.hk-/po/res/54418917.html#56832772
https://2ch.-hk-/po/res/54418917.html#56833509
can you go back na mochan i sedet tam? pidoraha
frick outta here pidor
lmao what kind of fricking timeline is this, am I in C;H now or what
Here's videos.
https://files.catbox.moe/a71v07.MP4
And tg post - "how about an auction for earcutter knife?))".
Poor guy. Probably a Ukrainian POW
More likely a random immigrant worker.
If the roles were reversed, Russia will never inform the US of a terrorist shooting up somewhere.
Except they did, before the Boston bombings
>2013
You were born in 2005, shut the frick up.
What's that supposed to mean? Why is the point not valid to you have to deflect?
You are so young you don't remember the attitude of Russia changing between then and now. Stop talking about something you have no knowledge of.
>Stop talking about something you have no knowledge of
Speak for yourself Black person
He's right, if you don't see how the situation has changed in 11 years you're either physically or mentally underdeveloped and should shut your prostitute mouth.
Okay samegay
You're the one who tried to use a case from 2013 as an example, moron. You realize that basically every western country turned against Russia after a certain series of events in 2014, right? Or are you so young you don't even remember the clankening?
>the attitude of Russia changing between then and now
No it didn't. Maybe you just didn't notice before 2016.
You are actually a teenager. Holy frick. Or maybe you're a brainrotted /misc/ addict considering the year you picked. Either way you should book a long bus ride without wifi.
Looks like I was right on the mark.
We were literally there for the shit in Crimea you disingenuous hollering monkey. The only person who said anything about 2016 was you.
>Russian expansionism only started in 2014
Are you over 18?
Did I say that, you fricking moron?
Yes you fricking moron. You said the situation changed between 2013 and now and the only people that think this are your brand of buffoons that only started seeing Russia as an adversary at the end of 2016.
>he's trying to pretend that the real big change wasn't something that happened between 2013 and 2016
>when the context for this was intelligence sharing from Russia to the US in 2011 to 2012
Yep, /misc/ user confirmed. Shut your mouth please.
And you're a degenerate who needs to have a website named after him showing all the posts he's ever made in order that he'll never get a girlfriend, friends, or a job. See? Both of us can be hostile, moron.
>And you're a degenerate who needs to have a website named after him showing all the posts he's ever made in order that he'll never get a girlfriend, friends, or a job. See? Both of us can be hostile, moron.
Touched a nerve there did I buddy?
No anon, I'm saying that without anger. You are worthless. Now stop posting and let the actual adults talk thanks.
>incident
>let the actual adults talk thanks
Kid, you're not even 12. I think Habbo Hotel is more your speed.
>all those other times Russia invaded a country didn't really matter, just this one particular incident for no specific reason
The raging moron strikes again!
You are a fricking moron
without question, but it's likely that they would also be woefully inadequate to the task of reliably noticing one.
So not only is Ukraine a natzee NAFO but also radical Islamic terrorist?
And LGBT israelites as well
ISIS and LGBT Groups are all grouped under extremist organizations in the Russian Legal System.
Ah, so Rainbow Daesh
As a side note I hate new /misc/ homosexuals so much.
>he's called me out?
>shit, uh, I'll do something that will really shock and insult him!
>I'll call him a Black person!
Like holy fricking shit we had Putin in TV interviews stating that Aegis Ashore was the red line and he was going to make nuclear cruise missiles and shit as a direct result in like 2015, but noooo, the US and Russia have always been best buds and they'd totally cooperate. I bet his source is a fricking /chug/ post.
Fricking morons.
the real question is: how do you secure this border?
simple, be such a shithole that nobody will want to enter the country
northern kazakhstan is full of russians, just invade and occupy it in 3 day smo*~~
if monke try to smo Kazakhstan or Mongolia, he would get smacked by Xi so hard he'd start speaking mandarin
you dont, you guard the important railway nodes like bridges and project power from the thin metal corridor
By invading your neighbors to create a buffer zone, not realizing you just expanded the border.
No, seriously, this is the Russian/Soviet internal security reasoning for centuries.
>No, seriously, this is the Russian/Soviet internal security reasoning for centuries.
only because there have been no serious contesters in asia besides WW2 nipps and even those were a temporary threat. Seriously its ridiculous how vulnerable siberia is. Overextension if there ever was a example. Russias natural eastern border is the Ural mountains, not fricking Okhotsk sea right next to the crammed and busy asian hives of japan, korea and china
too bad changs current emperor is a absolute midwit moron. This is the golden opportunity to make a move on the north starting with vladivostok. Even incomptent chang potemkin village of a military should in theory be able to do it by swarming the place and digging in. way more realistic then taiwan
The bugs are already invading Siberia.Russia is just unable to stop them.They have been sending settlers to the region for years now.
>his is the golden opportunity to make a move on the north
Why ?They will get the land anyway once it's mostly han chinese and russia is a puppet state.Being greedy is what got russia into this mess in the first place.
they have been trying that for near 40 years. at one point the state even offered money to women to marry russian passports.
>why?
cause they need administrative rights over siberia if they really want to exploit it to the fullest. This slow infiltrations shit is not going anywhere and not yielding much results. Case in point lake baikal. Changs spent years buy land and setting up a way to extract fresh water from it and divert it down to the polluted core provinces. Local russian getting a wind of this plan threw a huge stink and Moscow stepped in boycotting the whole thing. Years of investment down the drain for in these dictatorships whatever the emperors office decrees is law. No stability or way to counter them like in civilized nations that have independent courts.
Contrary to what the chink propaganda tries to project outward they are anything but long term planners or patient. The disaster at lake baikal threw up a big stink as quite a number of prolific CCP aristocracy got burned by it. Only way they are going to get what they want is throwing vatniks out making it pieces of the official chang empire
You’re a dumb Black person. Taiwan isn’t about territory, it’s about the fact it’s Chinese and being held by a hostile faction.
Imagine if the Confederates had retreated to the Florida Keys, fortified them, allied with the Russians who considered them “brothers in communism because they seized the means of production (black people).” They sent Kirov-class battle cruisers on daily “freedom of navigation” runs between the Keys and Florida, and launched dozens of daily TU-95 patrols 13 miles off our coast from their bases in Cuba.
How long do you think we’d allow hostile Republicans to exist on US soil?
It’s not a matter of territory, it’s a matter of pride and security.
For a zigger to look at it and say, “Boy are the Americans stupid to be concerning themselves with the Keys when Canada is defenseless,” shows a complete lack of understanding of the geopolitical landscape. We don’t need to invade Canada because the Canadians are already selling themselves to us. We own them more than we do any American, so why would we make them Americans?
It’s the Republicans in the Keys that would be the thorn in our foot. We would make them submit. Peacefully would be preferred, but if they pushed us, no saber rattling from the Russians would stop us.
*Democrats in the Keys
Since they're Confederates that would be the party equivalent.
>WWII Marines with Mitchell pattern covers
This bothers me.
>CNN is already blaming Russia for why the muslims attacked them
can you provide a source? providing a context for why such people would be in Russia is not the same thing as blaming them for the result.
https://www.cnn.com/europe/live-news/moscow-russia-shooting-03-23-24/index.html
nothing in that text blames Russia for the attack, as I state it is only context for what might be motivations for this event, the likes of which Russia has seen for years at various times.
>It happened because they pushed back on extreme islamist morons
>it's their fault
Keep sucking off those minorities - they don't like you.
You might just suffer from a serious case of English as a second language.
Keep defending islam - they want you dead.
i think putin is doing a great enough job at that already
puccia is to blame for any and all ills that befall it, so that's true. Surprising to find CNN doing accurate reporting for once.
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/pol/Black folk are deserate for this thread to be removed. I wonder why.
Some moron here really got his feelings hurt when they found out Russia actively informs the US about potential terror attacks
>in 2011
It has gotten to the point that nothing I could wish upon you would be worse than what's already happening in Russia. I hope that you book a flight there, anon.
>russia has changed since 2011
You are a useless moron
Remind me what year Russia invaded Georgia? Oh 2008? Interesting
Alright kid, this is getting sad. Look up the Russian invasion of Georgia. This happened at about the same time as Russia's cyber attacks on Estonia. If there was ever a date when Russia changed, that would be it. Brotip: it was well before 2013.
The Munich speech a year before that was the true beginning.
it began in 2002 when he began nationalizing energy, imprisoned critics/ businessmen that didn't play ball, and got kukly taken off the air
Well, here we are now, all the lads
A turn of events as unsurprising as it is fatal to the FSBs chosen narrative
No anon, The USA has changed since then so it doesn't count
>ukrainian regime
ah, of course
the russophobic regime led by a pro-peace dumbass who couldn't speak ukrainian for most of his life, and argued with his own soldiers for shooting at russian soldiers
Pro-tip: this kind of shit immediately outs you as a moron to everyone with more than 2 neurons to rub together
>imagine you are a civilian there carrying a weapon
i am civilian and always carry best weapon — the dick. i make terror monkeys pay by rape and force them to become gays with my dick. i force them to become woman to me and their fathers become crushed with regret. this is how IS is dealt with where men still rule which is why they flee from taliban but attack weak effeminate russia
>KGB goons end up capturing an actual proper Islamic Zealot and not just some goat herder who gives lip service to whoever the local warlord is this week
Think they'd be able to get a false confession out of someone who's a religious fanatic that actively looks forward to death?
Eh reminds me of that joke with the CIA, the FBI and the KGB trying to find a rabbit. My point about the similarities between Bataclan and yesterday attack still stands though.
Everyone breaks under torture anon
Everyone.
I wouldn't do a single thing to them. I would let them shoot up the place, fund a report on gun prohibition and collect a bigger budget for the department, that's what we always do.
The state would likely send in SWAT with ARs and plate armor. The police are now militarized with equipment like MRAPs as well. If you are some sort of criminal, terrorist, or communist then you are not on the side of the police.
>*takes 3 hours to arrive*
>*stands around looking at phones for an extra hour*
>*waits until perps either commit an hero or just escape to go into the building because holy shit there's people with GUNS in there! It might be DANGEROUS!*
>*Claims they did everything in their power to save people when every second counts, several injured victims bleed to death waiting for help for 5 hours*
You forgot
>Mistakingly shoots civilians legally carrying and trying to defend themselves
>Noo we can't send you cruise missiles. That'll cause an escalation! - Krauts
>Noo, you can't blow up Russian oil refineries, that'll cause an escalation and raise fuel prices! - Yanks
>How can we blame these ragheads killing a bunch of civilians on Ukraine so we can escalate things even though it's not related? - Russians
Westerners are such cucks
Evidently by making deepfakes of Ukrainian intelligence officers and airing them on state tv.
How many were left for dead under burning rubles for hours until the special forces came
https://twitter.com/Osinttechnical/status/1771556945977037245
That looks like a screenshot from NieR Automata.
Man that death toll is climbing like hell, didn't it just start at 40?
Aside from the shootings, the entire roof caved in due to fires, no wonder shit load of people died.
It's sad that the attack happened and so many died. And it's even sadder that putin will use it as a pretext to frick ukraine even more without doing anything about internal security against ISIS caucasia or whoever it is
TZD, anon. Frick em all.
>It's sad that the attack happened and so many died
I can't shed a single tear for Russians because the morons will immediately smell weakness and try to advance their gay little narrative
Let them all go die in a similar manner
>day 713 of special operation inside Mexico
>Gasoline is in short supply, America is unable to export any
>The gulf of Mexico has been locked down by Mexican drone jet skis.
>We still hold large areas of Baja and Chihuahua which cost us 450,000 kia
>After The Flavor Country mutiny of 23' the current rebellion ran by Colonel chaos mattis has seized New Mexico
>Bidens attempts to put down the rebellion have led to ABQ being BBQ'D
>The B2 bomber bases have been decimated leading to loss of the 3rd arm of the nuclear triad.
>This was done by Peruvian CardBoard Box drones
>Over a dozen major refininers have been destroyed including 3 in Houston
>Last night the Washington DC Opera House was attacked By Haitian Extremists working in Proxy for Cuba.
>Our goal is the next Japanese president will change all this even though Spain, Brazil and Portugal have pledged 163 billion in war aid this year.
Would be Tom Clancy-like if the extremists were not Haitian but Puerto Rican like IRL
>imagine you are a civilian there carrying a weapon
.22 target pistol and shooting jacket.
The shooters were walking through like it was a picnic, not checking balconies or expecting any resistance or return fire at all.
One good pistol marksman on the balcony could pop them all with an accurate target pistol and they'd never notice, wouldn't hear it over their own shots and zipping rounds would just sound like their guys behind them shooting past.
Even if they saw one of them go down, they'd never know where the shot came from and would waste another 20 seconds before they started looking at balconies...and then you have concrete and an elevated position so they're probably still not hitting you.
theres already avideo out from the attackers pov, strange nobody uploaded it yet
>alluh ackbar
>guy is white as snow
c'mon FSB
what guns are they using?
>guy is white as snow
isis website said they got away
MoistCr1tikal?
They were not in a rush at all.
https://twitter.com/Wazaaa1004/status/1771660734197346473
>captured by some wagner neonazis
FSB is getting sloppy
Those are just some construction workers or something, aren't they?
the "arrest" video
https://twitter.com/PStyle0ne1/status/1771663723364552793
With my wiener