They will all blow up like any other t64 and bmp/btr. Ukraine needs NUMBERS. Its irrelevant if the Tiger is better than the Sherm- sorry, if the Challenger is better than the t72.
They're not going to get numbers because their own armor supply has been heavily impacted (even with captured vehicles) At this stage it's a prolonged war and they need to be given vehicles where parts can be supplied.
homie just force Austria to let Romania and Bulgaria into Schengen and then you have like 1000 soviet afvs ready to go day one. This whole "lets send 10 Challengers and Bradleys slava ukrainey" thing is moronic
It will inevitably becomes about m113's, whether we like it or not.
The Americans providing the basic b***h models, to be modified by Czechia and Poland with kits from all over the Western world according to need, further bolstering the already supplied variants. Work will be done to amalgamate the variants, and also incorporate warsaw pact armament modularity.
It's the one platform we all have at significant quantity. You can even use bits of it to repair bradleys.
The US only managed to overcome the numbers against Saddam's army back in Desert Storm because they achieved full air superiority and took out most of Saddam's C2, bunkers and fortifications during the initial 43 day long air campaign.
Ukraine doesn't have air superiority and this time they won't have advantage in numbers either to achieve the breakthroughs from Kherson and Kharkov due to Russia having deployed their reserves after those debacles.
>Ukraine doesn't have air superiority and this time they won't have advantage in numbers either to achieve the breakthroughs from Kherson and Kharkov due to Russia having deployed their reserves after those debacles.
Anon... They already said all of that stuff BEFORE those debacles.
So far the whole war had Russia with a numerical advantage and still getting their asses handed. Numbers are ONE aspect of a confrontation, tactics, experience, context, terrain, tech, it all counts. Getting another advantage for Ukraine, in this case technological, is clearly important.
Russia sent in about 200,000 soldiers and Ukraine had 200,000 + 100,000 tdf. how exactly am I wrong
1 year ago
Anonymous
Ukriane's forces were spread out across the country whereas Russia concentrated their attacks. For example the Ukrainians were outnumbered 22:1 at Kyiv.
1 year ago
Anonymous
Alright I'll rephrase. Russia had more troops for the first week and from then on was outnumbered. Happy?
>His German dossier pic is literally his ID with a beard and glasses edited on >Gestapo and SS legit fell for this cartoon disguise >Moved Waffen SS Wehrmacht armor and elite units away from where they (correctly) thought landings would occur to Calais based on this shoddy info >Lost their entire momentum on the western front based on the ramblings of a single Spic
Holy shit, the Germans awarded him an Iron Cross because they thought he was helping them so much hahahaha. I didn't know this until I read about him just now
seems the most reasonable approach to me too
keep the new western IFVs and MBTs in the back for a while to train the crews well and then use them massed in a new offensive in early summer or so
would also allow them to slowly repair captured russian tanks/damaged ukrainian tanks and use them in offensives. 1 challenger is probably worth 4 t-72s so if you need to prioritize offensive actions you should use the challengers to free up the maximum number of t-72s for use.
>1 challenger is probably worth 4 t-72s
are all the Challenger 2s that are gonna be sent from active UK army stocks? so they should all be fairly modern right?
bc the Leopard 2A4s that are in the talks too are supposedly all pretty old, except for crew comfort and having thermal sights (old ones) it's not even clear they are actually better than what the Russians are fielding
Cr2s in storage and in use are basically the same the in service ones have Gen 3 thermal the stored ones have gen 2. That's the only difference, it would be interesting to see if they are sent with the TES kits that are just a bolt on extra.
2a4 is much better than any tank they have already, even with its shit ammo storage and lesser armor than newer western tanks its miles ahead of a T72.
1 year ago
Anonymous
They should upgrade the 2A4s before sending them with ERA and the spaced turret armour for all of those Russian ATGMs they use. I read an interview from a Ukrainian Tank commander who said that the Russians are trying to Shepard their remaining tanks by fighting from standoff ranges and shooting barrel launched ATGMS at 4km+ using their superior optics, Chemically/HEAT resistant western tanks with more accurate cannons should be able to skirmish down what remains of the Russian tank force or force them from the field. Challenger 2 would be perfect for this role but there's too few of them, as the Russians field older tanks with worse FCS/Optics and barrel accuracy, Western tanks should dominate with nominal to no losses in tank on tank engagements.
I can assure you that Leo2A4 are more than a match for most tanks in Russias arsenal. The FCS alone is so far beyond anything the Russians have, it’s no contest. Optics are better, mobility is far better, ROF with a well trained loader is higher.
Another aspect you should take into consideration is that these tanks are well serviced and not degraded by a year of war.
Overall, Leo2s are extremely easy to service and very robust.
would also allow them to slowly repair captured russian tanks/damaged ukrainian tanks and use them in offensives. 1 challenger is probably worth 4 t-72s so if you need to prioritize offensive actions you should use the challengers to free up the maximum number of t-72s for use.
Pretty well because the russian army is in a shit state and continues to insist on sending penny packets of unsupported tanks against mined Ukrainian trench networks. Their losses over the last year in armor and the fact their artillery is only capable of putting down a fraction of the fire they were capable of 6 months ago is going to have brutal consequences this coming campaign.
>Laughs at the Bradley's slow speed >Doesn't mention anything else >b-b-but your mad about America!
Stop being such a defensive homosexual. Good god you've never even seen one in person you fat c**t.
It’s slow speed isn’t an issue. It’s incredible armament is what makes it such a potent asset.
1 year ago
Anonymous
This. The Bradley is the best IFV the ukranians have so I doubt the assault would so fast that the brad can’t keep up. With the challenger having a 2mph faster top speed that makes it even less likely. Marders are quick but pitifully undergunned
1 year ago
Anonymous
I think marders will be used more in an APC role rather than IFV. The 20mm is good for light trucks and shredding infantry but it definitely will have problems with the frontal armor on BMPs which are rated to withstand 23mm. The ATGM is also just a Milan slapped on top and the gunner has to expose himself to fire it.
1 year ago
Anonymous
They definitely went the protection route over armament. The TOW outranges the Milan and the Bradley offers 2 TOWs on tap that are fully integrated into the gunners sight/controls.
1 year ago
Anonymous
>An infantry fighting vehicle (IFV), also known as a mechanized infantry combat vehicle (MICV), is a type of armoured fighting vehicle used to carry infantry into battle and provide direct-fire support.
That's what an IFV does, protects the dismounts. Bradley seems like it can't do either, too weak to protect its dismounts too slow to perform recon. It's just like a big fat man walking around with a big gun.
1 year ago
Anonymous
At least it isn’t the warrior. The Germans were smart and designed an IFV that can maintain a base of fire. Iirc the warrior only has 12 ready rounds before the gunner has to manually reload clips.
1 year ago
Anonymous
The UK didn’t even bother trying to send it. They knew the ukranians would have no use for a slow ROF IFV when they already had superior Western IFVs. The challenger is a godsend though, it’s probably the only successful British armored vehicle design since the 1950s
1 year ago
Anonymous
What sort of cope is this? Are you talking to yourself and false flagging?
Transparent warriorgay. Settle down thirdie, your tap water is sending you mad.
1 year ago
Anonymous
This. The Bradley is the best IFV the ukranians have so I doubt the assault would so fast that the brad can’t keep up. With the challenger having a 2mph faster top speed that makes it even less likely. Marders are quick but pitifully undergunned
I think marders will be used more in an APC role rather than IFV. The 20mm is good for light trucks and shredding infantry but it definitely will have problems with the frontal armor on BMPs which are rated to withstand 23mm. The ATGM is also just a Milan slapped on top and the gunner has to expose himself to fire it.
>Can't take banter about being fat and slow >Continues to cope
You would think with it being so slow it would have good armor which isn't the case at all.
1 year ago
Anonymous
Yea it’s got the superior weapon suite. I’m sorry this upsets you. Perhaps you could post some videos in Ukraine of armor moving at high speeds to substantiate your cope a little better? Just one or two videos would suffice.
1 year ago
Anonymous
Gladly, here you go.
Sorry your so uninformed ,obsessed and thoroughly addicted to this imageboard you monitor for anyone laughing at the fat slow boi
1 year ago
Anonymous
Is short bursts of 25mph considered high speed to you? You post a video of a single BMP trying to storm a trench as proof of what exactly? Why didn’t the bmp just take the trench with autocannon fire?
1 year ago
Anonymous
>25mph
Please show autistic time over distance calculation with screenshots to prove your theory >Single video >"Just one or two videos would suffice."
Yeah >Why didn't the BMP just shoot through a trench bro
Yeah
Have you tried reddit? You mental capacity is more suited to that place.
1 year ago
Anonymous
>Please show autistic time over distance calculation with screenshots to prove your theory
same, that doesn’t look like it’s more than 35mph so I’ll need those calculations from you.
I meant to say rake the trench with autocannon. You use IFVs to suppress the trench and either mortars or bulldozers to destroy it. You definitely don’t drive up to it and try and lay dismounts into it unless you’re moronic. The most successful trench clearing in history was a few bradleys suppressing the trench with 2 bulldozers burying the occupants alive
1 year ago
Anonymous
>The most successful trench clearing in history was a few bradleys suppressing the trench with 2 bulldozers burying the occupants alive
Sounds based but I never heard of it. Do you have a source?
How have I never heard about this. One of the most based assaults I’ve ever read about. Thanks
1 year ago
Anonymous
I’m sorry combat earthmovers
1 year ago
Anonymous
glad the US is our ally
1 year ago
Anonymous
Now THAT is combined arms
1 year ago
Anonymous
holy shit. The gulf war continues to be my favorite curbstomp.
1 year ago
Anonymous
Thanks for the link. Here's a screenshot for reposting. I've known about this for a very long time, but finding a succinct article that describes it clearly is quite nice & convenient.
Search string "bulldozer assault desert storm trench" turns up all sorts of references & articles.
1 year ago
Anonymous
Somebody needs to send this to the Ukies. There is undoubtedly inspiration there to deal with vatnik trenches and their krokodil teeth.
1 year ago
Anonymous
Sorry dude your posts are riddled with back peddling wrong information and just general bullshit a sure sign of someone who hasn't got a clue what he's talking about or possibly that of a woman.
Take a break warriortard, put the curry on.
1 year ago
Anonymous
What was wrong exactly? You failed to post videos of armor moving above 35mph and got called on it. You tried to equate a single ifv storming a trench to armored assault doctrine. You failed
1 year ago
Anonymous
>he can’t refute the non stabilized gun flaw
oh I am laffin
>The most successful trench clearing in history was a few bradleys suppressing the trench with 2 bulldozers burying the occupants alive
Sounds based but I never heard of it. Do you have a source?
Good god look at the post time spacings. Warriortard has gone completely mental!
1 year ago
Anonymous
I remember this from a documentary (burrying Iraqis with bulldozer). Brutal stuff.
1 year ago
Anonymous
Brutal but effective. Kind of what the US does
1 year ago
Anonymous
How have I never heard about this. One of the most based assaults I’ve ever read about. Thanks
I’m sorry combat earthmovers
glad the US is our ally
Now THAT is combined arms
Stop forcing this so hard warriortard no one gives a shit make a thread if you feel that ignored. Autism is a serious condition preventing you from living a normal life.
bradleys are great and an armored assault wouldn’t be moving at 35mph. Brads were a staple in the largest armored assault in the last 50 years and they performed very well
It’s slow speed isn’t an issue. It’s incredible armament is what makes it such a potent asset.
This. The Bradley is the best IFV the ukranians have so I doubt the assault would so fast that the brad can’t keep up. With the challenger having a 2mph faster top speed that makes it even less likely. Marders are quick but pitifully undergunned
I think marders will be used more in an APC role rather than IFV. The 20mm is good for light trucks and shredding infantry but it definitely will have problems with the frontal armor on BMPs which are rated to withstand 23mm. The ATGM is also just a Milan slapped on top and the gunner has to expose himself to fire it.
They definitely went the protection route over armament. The TOW outranges the Milan and the Bradley offers 2 TOWs on tap that are fully integrated into the gunners sight/controls.
At least it isn’t the warrior. The Germans were smart and designed an IFV that can maintain a base of fire. Iirc the warrior only has 12 ready rounds before the gunner has to manually reload clips.
Lmao Warriortard your so easy to bait. Get new material already kek
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I assume they are going to use them in mobile warfare and to exploit breakthroughs and not use them for trench warfare.But that's probably to hard to understand for the average russian.
From experience of Ukrainian operations a combination of armor, artillery and ballsy moves by motorized infantry. Do you think these will be the only tanks in region?
Do you know what combined arms means or do I need to explain it to you?So far russia has failed to actually make us of it so maybe you genuinely don't know.Sending in tanks by themself like the russians have done so far is not how how you're meant to use them.
>Send hundreds of vehicles from different countries with different parts and training for each vehicle >Shit breaks down and is stripped or left to rot in the sun. >Europe: "WE'RE HELPING!!! XD*" >*Put big money orders into our financial backer's accounts so they can make 100 new armor boxes for only 500 million each!
>At the end of its era in Namibia, the unit had developed into a conventional battle group. Apart from the infantry companies and the recce company, the battalion was strengthened by a battery of 120 mm (4.7 in) mortars, a squadron of Ratel ZT-3 and 90 mm (3.5 in) tank destroyers and a troop of 20 mm (0.79 in) anti-aircraft guns mounted on Buffel infantry vehicles.
They will all blow up like any other t64 and bmp/btr. Ukraine needs NUMBERS. Its irrelevant if the Tiger is better than the Sherm- sorry, if the Challenger is better than the t72.
This, quality can only go so far compared to quantity.
They're not going to get numbers because their own armor supply has been heavily impacted (even with captured vehicles) At this stage it's a prolonged war and they need to be given vehicles where parts can be supplied.
homie just force Austria to let Romania and Bulgaria into Schengen and then you have like 1000 soviet afvs ready to go day one. This whole "lets send 10 Challengers and Bradleys slava ukrainey" thing is moronic
Romania and Bulgaria can send anything they want at any time. They don't need anyone's permission.
It will inevitably becomes about m113's, whether we like it or not.
The Americans providing the basic b***h models, to be modified by Czechia and Poland with kits from all over the Western world according to need, further bolstering the already supplied variants. Work will be done to amalgamate the variants, and also incorporate warsaw pact armament modularity.
It's the one platform we all have at significant quantity. You can even use bits of it to repair bradleys.
I know this is bait but numbers have never mattered in modern war. Quantity > Quality is a midwit cope
The US only managed to overcome the numbers against Saddam's army back in Desert Storm because they achieved full air superiority and took out most of Saddam's C2, bunkers and fortifications during the initial 43 day long air campaign.
Ukraine doesn't have air superiority and this time they won't have advantage in numbers either to achieve the breakthroughs from Kherson and Kharkov due to Russia having deployed their reserves after those debacles.
>Ukraine doesn't have air superiority and this time they won't have advantage in numbers either to achieve the breakthroughs from Kherson and Kharkov due to Russia having deployed their reserves after those debacles.
Anon... They already said all of that stuff BEFORE those debacles.
So far the whole war had Russia with a numerical advantage and still getting their asses handed. Numbers are ONE aspect of a confrontation, tactics, experience, context, terrain, tech, it all counts. Getting another advantage for Ukraine, in this case technological, is clearly important.
This isn't true. Russia has had less boots on the ground up until very recently
>Source: my schizophrenic delusions
Russia sent in about 200,000 soldiers and Ukraine had 200,000 + 100,000 tdf. how exactly am I wrong
Ukriane's forces were spread out across the country whereas Russia concentrated their attacks. For example the Ukrainians were outnumbered 22:1 at Kyiv.
Alright I'll rephrase. Russia had more troops for the first week and from then on was outnumbered. Happy?
1 Bradley is at the absolute very least worth 2 t-72s
1 Bradley is at the absolute very least worth 10 BMP/Ts
Depends the variant; troony Black person.
Actually what Ukraine needs is ATACMS and air superiority to decapitate Russia's command and control.
>air superiority
This will probably never happen until Ukraine gets 200 f16s
what if they, and get this because it's hard to wrap your head around, attack somewhere else?
>what if they, and get this because it's hard to wrap your head around, attack somewhere else?
Nyet, they will surely attack at Donbacc. Trustworthy spy Garbochev has confirmed it through his Arabalov spy ring in the UK. Wect is finish!
>His German dossier pic is literally his ID with a beard and glasses edited on
>Gestapo and SS legit fell for this cartoon disguise
>Moved Waffen SS Wehrmacht armor and elite units away from where they (correctly) thought landings would occur to Calais based on this shoddy info
>Lost their entire momentum on the western front based on the ramblings of a single Spic
Holy shit, the Germans awarded him an Iron Cross because they thought he was helping them so much hahahaha. I didn't know this until I read about him just now
as usual, shitty infograph
Leopard 2 uses a smoothbore gun, not a rifled gun.
Marder has not been sent, only confirmed
also they took a EBRC Jaguar image to illustrate the AMX-10 RC
Let's watch and find out.
> t. makin' popcorn right now
>Poland
They still haven't requested an export of their Leopard 2 tanks.
Poland also didn't even deliver their old T-72 tanks.
Holy shit the seethe Polaks cause to you moahomedans is hilarious.
Leopards got destroyed by ISIS I don't fancy their chances against Russia
What is this Bushmaster equipped armour that Canada is listed as sending, LAV?
If the ukranians got the LAV I would die from /k/ino exposure
The Auslav is essentially replaced, so we should apply pressure to Australia to supply their lavs.
>Dutch YPRs,
>Turk AIFVs
>Auslavs
>Lavs
>Canadian Lavs
Amphibious gang.
>The Auslav is essentially replaced, so we should apply pressure to Australia to supply their lavs.
I don't think you're going to get ASLAV yet.
Graphic is wrong. LAV variant Canada is sending (so far) is turetless APC.
Also don't forget 250 of these.
These are great. Sending these in after the initial wave of tanks and IFVs would be ideal. Is there an ambulance variant?
Challengers spearheading Bradleys. Amx-10 as forward recon. That’s how it should be set up
nah i think they'll keep the challengers near lviv or kyiv for kyiv rush 2 electric boogaloo
seems the most reasonable approach to me too
keep the new western IFVs and MBTs in the back for a while to train the crews well and then use them massed in a new offensive in early summer or so
It’s possible the crew have already been training in Europe on bradleys and challengers for months.
that would be good ofc
>1 challenger is probably worth 4 t-72s
are all the Challenger 2s that are gonna be sent from active UK army stocks? so they should all be fairly modern right?
bc the Leopard 2A4s that are in the talks too are supposedly all pretty old, except for crew comfort and having thermal sights (old ones) it's not even clear they are actually better than what the Russians are fielding
Cr2s in storage and in use are basically the same the in service ones have Gen 3 thermal the stored ones have gen 2. That's the only difference, it would be interesting to see if they are sent with the TES kits that are just a bolt on extra.
2a4 is much better than any tank they have already, even with its shit ammo storage and lesser armor than newer western tanks its miles ahead of a T72.
They should upgrade the 2A4s before sending them with ERA and the spaced turret armour for all of those Russian ATGMs they use. I read an interview from a Ukrainian Tank commander who said that the Russians are trying to Shepard their remaining tanks by fighting from standoff ranges and shooting barrel launched ATGMS at 4km+ using their superior optics, Chemically/HEAT resistant western tanks with more accurate cannons should be able to skirmish down what remains of the Russian tank force or force them from the field. Challenger 2 would be perfect for this role but there's too few of them, as the Russians field older tanks with worse FCS/Optics and barrel accuracy, Western tanks should dominate with nominal to no losses in tank on tank engagements.
I can assure you that Leo2A4 are more than a match for most tanks in Russias arsenal. The FCS alone is so far beyond anything the Russians have, it’s no contest. Optics are better, mobility is far better, ROF with a well trained loader is higher.
Another aspect you should take into consideration is that these tanks are well serviced and not degraded by a year of war.
Overall, Leo2s are extremely easy to service and very robust.
would also allow them to slowly repair captured russian tanks/damaged ukrainian tanks and use them in offensives. 1 challenger is probably worth 4 t-72s so if you need to prioritize offensive actions you should use the challengers to free up the maximum number of t-72s for use.
Pretty well because the russian army is in a shit state and continues to insist on sending penny packets of unsupported tanks against mined Ukrainian trench networks. Their losses over the last year in armor and the fact their artillery is only capable of putting down a fraction of the fire they were capable of 6 months ago is going to have brutal consequences this coming campaign.
What ever happened to the m1117 with 90mm guns meant for the ANA but never delivered before the ANAs collapse
Im fricking loves french amx series. Will it good in slop terrain in ukraine, i have my doubt
They would make the perfect recon vehicle for Ukraine. That medium pressure gun is extremely capable
>amx series
No such series exists
>Challenger 2 37mph
>Leopard 2 43mph
>T72 37mph
>Bradley 35mph
Lmao what went wrong with the Bradley
Isn’t an issue. An armored assault wouldn’t be conducted at the max speed of the tanks. The Bradley’s potent firepower make it a great IFV
Sounds like a solid cope on your part
Sounds like you’re upset about a successful American vehicle
>Laughs at the Bradley's slow speed
>Doesn't mention anything else
>b-b-but your mad about America!
Stop being such a defensive homosexual. Good god you've never even seen one in person you fat c**t.
It’s slow speed isn’t an issue. It’s incredible armament is what makes it such a potent asset.
This. The Bradley is the best IFV the ukranians have so I doubt the assault would so fast that the brad can’t keep up. With the challenger having a 2mph faster top speed that makes it even less likely. Marders are quick but pitifully undergunned
I think marders will be used more in an APC role rather than IFV. The 20mm is good for light trucks and shredding infantry but it definitely will have problems with the frontal armor on BMPs which are rated to withstand 23mm. The ATGM is also just a Milan slapped on top and the gunner has to expose himself to fire it.
They definitely went the protection route over armament. The TOW outranges the Milan and the Bradley offers 2 TOWs on tap that are fully integrated into the gunners sight/controls.
>An infantry fighting vehicle (IFV), also known as a mechanized infantry combat vehicle (MICV), is a type of armoured fighting vehicle used to carry infantry into battle and provide direct-fire support.
That's what an IFV does, protects the dismounts. Bradley seems like it can't do either, too weak to protect its dismounts too slow to perform recon. It's just like a big fat man walking around with a big gun.
At least it isn’t the warrior. The Germans were smart and designed an IFV that can maintain a base of fire. Iirc the warrior only has 12 ready rounds before the gunner has to manually reload clips.
The UK didn’t even bother trying to send it. They knew the ukranians would have no use for a slow ROF IFV when they already had superior Western IFVs. The challenger is a godsend though, it’s probably the only successful British armored vehicle design since the 1950s
Transparent warriorgay. Settle down thirdie, your tap water is sending you mad.
>Can't take banter about being fat and slow
>Continues to cope
You would think with it being so slow it would have good armor which isn't the case at all.
Yea it’s got the superior weapon suite. I’m sorry this upsets you. Perhaps you could post some videos in Ukraine of armor moving at high speeds to substantiate your cope a little better? Just one or two videos would suffice.
Gladly, here you go.
Sorry your so uninformed ,obsessed and thoroughly addicted to this imageboard you monitor for anyone laughing at the fat slow boi
Is short bursts of 25mph considered high speed to you? You post a video of a single BMP trying to storm a trench as proof of what exactly? Why didn’t the bmp just take the trench with autocannon fire?
>25mph
Please show autistic time over distance calculation with screenshots to prove your theory
>Single video
>"Just one or two videos would suffice."
Yeah
>Why didn't the BMP just shoot through a trench bro
Yeah
Have you tried reddit? You mental capacity is more suited to that place.
>Please show autistic time over distance calculation with screenshots to prove your theory
same, that doesn’t look like it’s more than 35mph so I’ll need those calculations from you.
I meant to say rake the trench with autocannon. You use IFVs to suppress the trench and either mortars or bulldozers to destroy it. You definitely don’t drive up to it and try and lay dismounts into it unless you’re moronic. The most successful trench clearing in history was a few bradleys suppressing the trench with 2 bulldozers burying the occupants alive
>The most successful trench clearing in history was a few bradleys suppressing the trench with 2 bulldozers burying the occupants alive
Sounds based but I never heard of it. Do you have a source?
https://archive.seattletimes.com/archive/?date=19910912&slug=1305069
How have I never heard about this. One of the most based assaults I’ve ever read about. Thanks
I’m sorry combat earthmovers
glad the US is our ally
Now THAT is combined arms
holy shit. The gulf war continues to be my favorite curbstomp.
Thanks for the link. Here's a screenshot for reposting. I've known about this for a very long time, but finding a succinct article that describes it clearly is quite nice & convenient.
Search string "bulldozer assault desert storm trench" turns up all sorts of references & articles.
Somebody needs to send this to the Ukies. There is undoubtedly inspiration there to deal with vatnik trenches and their krokodil teeth.
Sorry dude your posts are riddled with back peddling wrong information and just general bullshit a sure sign of someone who hasn't got a clue what he's talking about or possibly that of a woman.
Take a break warriortard, put the curry on.
What was wrong exactly? You failed to post videos of armor moving above 35mph and got called on it. You tried to equate a single ifv storming a trench to armored assault doctrine. You failed
Good god look at the post time spacings. Warriortard has gone completely mental!
I remember this from a documentary (burrying Iraqis with bulldozer). Brutal stuff.
Brutal but effective. Kind of what the US does
Stop forcing this so hard warriortard no one gives a shit make a thread if you feel that ignored. Autism is a serious condition preventing you from living a normal life.
Calling Russians midwits is a compliment
bradleys are great and an armored assault wouldn’t be moving at 35mph. Brads were a staple in the largest armored assault in the last 50 years and they performed very well
>An armoured assault wouldn't be moving at 35mph
Not with Bradley's that's for sure kek
>T. Broke too many vehicles to be allowed to drive.again.
Marder IFV is going to be the only IFV which can actually follows tanks.
Do you mean western ifv? I think BMPs are pretty fast
Not in reverse they're not.
>can’t fire on the move
That’s a huge drawback
Bullshit gun stabilizers were a thing in the 50s. There’s no way an ifv designed after 1950 would have an unstabilized gun, it’s just too important.
A sure sign warriortard is upset somone called him fat and slow, its OK pajeet, superpower 2027...
>he can’t refute the non stabilized gun flaw
oh I am laffin
It's a fat frick of an IFV
Anon don't mention it's armor protection the cope brigade couldn't cope
>czech T-72 upgraded by US and Netherlands
I'm curious on western upgrades to soviet designs.
With these sorts of numbers you might as well not bother. This entire line up will get chewed up in no time, and what then?
Only 4 HIMARS
Bradley IFV is going to be the only IFV that can kill tanks
Lmao Warriortard your so easy to bait. Get new material already kek
What sort of cope is this? Are you talking to yourself and false flagging?
What a logistics nightmare. I assume any repair they'll just be shipped leaveand and worked on by NATO troops and contractors?
>Leopard 2 rifled gun
Is that the Humvee with the big fricking autocannon?
>humvee with 25mm bushmaster
oh, that's the stuff
Try 30mm
>open turret
>no optics
Beyond moronic
Are you moronic? There's optics on the other side of the ammo belt.
shut up gay, it's cool
If you want a good laugh check out the reverse speed of Russian tanks compared to Challenger 2; Leopard 2; and Abrams.
Still won't outrun a DJI drone laser designating for a Krasnopol shell
>Krasnopol shell
Imagine Russia is still producing complex ammunition, or has the logistics to bring them to the front in large quantities.
So I have an ultimatum: Vladimir Putin and the Illuminati got a herd of zigger cattle. WOOOO WE GOTT A HERD OF ZIGGER CATTLE WE GOT A HERD OF ZIGGER CATTLE. They got a big herd of zigger cattle yippie ki yay we're zigger cattle herders we got a herd of zigger cattle, they are the most docile fricking zigger cattle we got 'em so docile we got this awesome big fricking herd of zigger cattle and they shit and they sit there and they jerk off to troony breasts and they shit ITS THE BEST FRICKING HERD OF ZIGGER CATTLE. We took away all their anime now they just shit and we watch them and were rich. We are so fricking rich. We have so much fricking money. We got this herd of zigger cattle WOOOOO. We're milking the fricking zigger cattle it's the best thing ever. So that's what the Illuminati got and I got Marichka. So here is my ultimatum: you can live in hell with your zigger cattle OR you can give my country the Far East and put me in charge of the state of West Alaska. OK? Have fun with your zigger cause I sure as hell ain't gonna fricking suck your israelite Black person wiener. Frick yourself you think i'm gonna fricking enjoy zigger cattle after I had Marichka are you fricking crazy? I got a fricking Marichka of course I'm not gonna frick, frick with zigger cattle frick yourself. You fricking think i... enjoy your FRICKING ZIGGER CATTLE YOU GOT THE ZIGGER CATTLE YOU GOT THE ZIGGER CATTLE YOU GOT THE ZIGGER CATTLE GO GO GO GO YOU GOT THE ZIGGER CATTLE. You got a fricking herd of ZIGGER WOOOO we got 'em so docile they just shit all day aint that so great?
I assume they are going to use them in mobile warfare and to exploit breakthroughs and not use them for trench warfare.But that's probably to hard to understand for the average russian.
>Exploit breakthroughs
Made by whom if you're not sending your tanks in first?
From experience of Ukrainian operations a combination of armor, artillery and ballsy moves by motorized infantry. Do you think these will be the only tanks in region?
Do you know what combined arms means or do I need to explain it to you?So far russia has failed to actually make us of it so maybe you genuinely don't know.Sending in tanks by themself like the russians have done so far is not how how you're meant to use them.
>Send hundreds of vehicles from different countries with different parts and training for each vehicle
>Shit breaks down and is stripped or left to rot in the sun.
>Europe: "WE'RE HELPING!!! XD*"
>*Put big money orders into our financial backer's accounts so they can make 100 new armor boxes for only 500 million each!
What a waste of digits.
>Leopard 2
>Rifled gun
Battlegroup:
>Armor platoon of Challengers
>Armored Recon platoon of AMX
>Company of Marder or Bradley
??? what else?
>At the end of its era in Namibia, the unit had developed into a conventional battle group. Apart from the infantry companies and the recce company, the battalion was strengthened by a battery of 120 mm (4.7 in) mortars, a squadron of Ratel ZT-3 and 90 mm (3.5 in) tank destroyers and a troop of 20 mm (0.79 in) anti-aircraft guns mounted on Buffel infantry vehicles.