How will this new Ukrainian strike force fare in the trench warfare of Donbass?

How will this new Ukrainian strike force fare in the trench warfare of Donbass?

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  1. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    They will all blow up like any other t64 and bmp/btr. Ukraine needs NUMBERS. Its irrelevant if the Tiger is better than the Sherm- sorry, if the Challenger is better than the t72.

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      This, quality can only go so far compared to quantity.

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      They're not going to get numbers because their own armor supply has been heavily impacted (even with captured vehicles) At this stage it's a prolonged war and they need to be given vehicles where parts can be supplied.

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        homie just force Austria to let Romania and Bulgaria into Schengen and then you have like 1000 soviet afvs ready to go day one. This whole "lets send 10 Challengers and Bradleys slava ukrainey" thing is moronic

        • 1 year ago
          Anonymous

          Romania and Bulgaria can send anything they want at any time. They don't need anyone's permission.

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        It will inevitably becomes about m113's, whether we like it or not.
        The Americans providing the basic b***h models, to be modified by Czechia and Poland with kits from all over the Western world according to need, further bolstering the already supplied variants. Work will be done to amalgamate the variants, and also incorporate warsaw pact armament modularity.

        It's the one platform we all have at significant quantity. You can even use bits of it to repair bradleys.

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      I know this is bait but numbers have never mattered in modern war. Quantity > Quality is a midwit cope

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        The US only managed to overcome the numbers against Saddam's army back in Desert Storm because they achieved full air superiority and took out most of Saddam's C2, bunkers and fortifications during the initial 43 day long air campaign.
        Ukraine doesn't have air superiority and this time they won't have advantage in numbers either to achieve the breakthroughs from Kherson and Kharkov due to Russia having deployed their reserves after those debacles.

        • 1 year ago
          Anonymous

          >Ukraine doesn't have air superiority and this time they won't have advantage in numbers either to achieve the breakthroughs from Kherson and Kharkov due to Russia having deployed their reserves after those debacles.
          Anon... They already said all of that stuff BEFORE those debacles.

        • 1 year ago
          Anonymous

          So far the whole war had Russia with a numerical advantage and still getting their asses handed. Numbers are ONE aspect of a confrontation, tactics, experience, context, terrain, tech, it all counts. Getting another advantage for Ukraine, in this case technological, is clearly important.

          • 1 year ago
            Anonymous

            This isn't true. Russia has had less boots on the ground up until very recently

            • 1 year ago
              Anonymous

              >Source: my schizophrenic delusions

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                Russia sent in about 200,000 soldiers and Ukraine had 200,000 + 100,000 tdf. how exactly am I wrong

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                Ukriane's forces were spread out across the country whereas Russia concentrated their attacks. For example the Ukrainians were outnumbered 22:1 at Kyiv.

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                Alright I'll rephrase. Russia had more troops for the first week and from then on was outnumbered. Happy?

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      1 Bradley is at the absolute very least worth 2 t-72s
      1 Bradley is at the absolute very least worth 10 BMP/Ts

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        Depends the variant; troony Black person.

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      Actually what Ukraine needs is ATACMS and air superiority to decapitate Russia's command and control.

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        >air superiority
        This will probably never happen until Ukraine gets 200 f16s

  2. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    what if they, and get this because it's hard to wrap your head around, attack somewhere else?

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      >what if they, and get this because it's hard to wrap your head around, attack somewhere else?

      Nyet, they will surely attack at Donbacc. Trustworthy spy Garbochev has confirmed it through his Arabalov spy ring in the UK. Wect is finish!

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        >His German dossier pic is literally his ID with a beard and glasses edited on
        >Gestapo and SS legit fell for this cartoon disguise
        >Moved Waffen SS Wehrmacht armor and elite units away from where they (correctly) thought landings would occur to Calais based on this shoddy info
        >Lost their entire momentum on the western front based on the ramblings of a single Spic

        • 1 year ago
          Anonymous

          Holy shit, the Germans awarded him an Iron Cross because they thought he was helping them so much hahahaha. I didn't know this until I read about him just now

  3. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    as usual, shitty infograph
    Leopard 2 uses a smoothbore gun, not a rifled gun.
    Marder has not been sent, only confirmed

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      also they took a EBRC Jaguar image to illustrate the AMX-10 RC

  4. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    Let's watch and find out.

    > t. makin' popcorn right now

  5. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    >Poland

    They still haven't requested an export of their Leopard 2 tanks.

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      Poland also didn't even deliver their old T-72 tanks.

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      Poland also didn't even deliver their old T-72 tanks.

      Holy shit the seethe Polaks cause to you moahomedans is hilarious.

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      Leopards got destroyed by ISIS I don't fancy their chances against Russia

  6. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    What is this Bushmaster equipped armour that Canada is listed as sending, LAV?

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      If the ukranians got the LAV I would die from /k/ino exposure

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        The Auslav is essentially replaced, so we should apply pressure to Australia to supply their lavs.

        >Dutch YPRs,
        >Turk AIFVs
        >Auslavs
        >Lavs
        >Canadian Lavs

        Amphibious gang.

        • 1 year ago
          Anonymous

          >The Auslav is essentially replaced, so we should apply pressure to Australia to supply their lavs.
          I don't think you're going to get ASLAV yet.

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      Graphic is wrong. LAV variant Canada is sending (so far) is turetless APC.

  7. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    Also don't forget 250 of these.

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      These are great. Sending these in after the initial wave of tanks and IFVs would be ideal. Is there an ambulance variant?

  8. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    Challengers spearheading Bradleys. Amx-10 as forward recon. That’s how it should be set up

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      nah i think they'll keep the challengers near lviv or kyiv for kyiv rush 2 electric boogaloo

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        seems the most reasonable approach to me too
        keep the new western IFVs and MBTs in the back for a while to train the crews well and then use them massed in a new offensive in early summer or so

        • 1 year ago
          Anonymous

          It’s possible the crew have already been training in Europe on bradleys and challengers for months.

          • 1 year ago
            Anonymous

            that would be good ofc

            would also allow them to slowly repair captured russian tanks/damaged ukrainian tanks and use them in offensives. 1 challenger is probably worth 4 t-72s so if you need to prioritize offensive actions you should use the challengers to free up the maximum number of t-72s for use.

            >1 challenger is probably worth 4 t-72s
            are all the Challenger 2s that are gonna be sent from active UK army stocks? so they should all be fairly modern right?
            bc the Leopard 2A4s that are in the talks too are supposedly all pretty old, except for crew comfort and having thermal sights (old ones) it's not even clear they are actually better than what the Russians are fielding

            • 1 year ago
              Anonymous

              Cr2s in storage and in use are basically the same the in service ones have Gen 3 thermal the stored ones have gen 2. That's the only difference, it would be interesting to see if they are sent with the TES kits that are just a bolt on extra.
              2a4 is much better than any tank they have already, even with its shit ammo storage and lesser armor than newer western tanks its miles ahead of a T72.

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                They should upgrade the 2A4s before sending them with ERA and the spaced turret armour for all of those Russian ATGMs they use. I read an interview from a Ukrainian Tank commander who said that the Russians are trying to Shepard their remaining tanks by fighting from standoff ranges and shooting barrel launched ATGMS at 4km+ using their superior optics, Chemically/HEAT resistant western tanks with more accurate cannons should be able to skirmish down what remains of the Russian tank force or force them from the field. Challenger 2 would be perfect for this role but there's too few of them, as the Russians field older tanks with worse FCS/Optics and barrel accuracy, Western tanks should dominate with nominal to no losses in tank on tank engagements.

            • 1 year ago
              Anonymous

              I can assure you that Leo2A4 are more than a match for most tanks in Russias arsenal. The FCS alone is so far beyond anything the Russians have, it’s no contest. Optics are better, mobility is far better, ROF with a well trained loader is higher.
              Another aspect you should take into consideration is that these tanks are well serviced and not degraded by a year of war.
              Overall, Leo2s are extremely easy to service and very robust.

        • 1 year ago
          Anonymous

          would also allow them to slowly repair captured russian tanks/damaged ukrainian tanks and use them in offensives. 1 challenger is probably worth 4 t-72s so if you need to prioritize offensive actions you should use the challengers to free up the maximum number of t-72s for use.

  9. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    Pretty well because the russian army is in a shit state and continues to insist on sending penny packets of unsupported tanks against mined Ukrainian trench networks. Their losses over the last year in armor and the fact their artillery is only capable of putting down a fraction of the fire they were capable of 6 months ago is going to have brutal consequences this coming campaign.

  10. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    What ever happened to the m1117 with 90mm guns meant for the ANA but never delivered before the ANAs collapse

  11. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    Im fricking loves french amx series. Will it good in slop terrain in ukraine, i have my doubt

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      They would make the perfect recon vehicle for Ukraine. That medium pressure gun is extremely capable

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      >amx series

      No such series exists

  12. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    >Challenger 2 37mph
    >Leopard 2 43mph
    >T72 37mph
    >Bradley 35mph
    Lmao what went wrong with the Bradley

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      Isn’t an issue. An armored assault wouldn’t be conducted at the max speed of the tanks. The Bradley’s potent firepower make it a great IFV

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        Sounds like a solid cope on your part

        • 1 year ago
          Anonymous

          Sounds like you’re upset about a successful American vehicle

          • 1 year ago
            Anonymous

            >Laughs at the Bradley's slow speed
            >Doesn't mention anything else
            >b-b-but your mad about America!
            Stop being such a defensive homosexual. Good god you've never even seen one in person you fat c**t.

            • 1 year ago
              Anonymous

              It’s slow speed isn’t an issue. It’s incredible armament is what makes it such a potent asset.

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                This. The Bradley is the best IFV the ukranians have so I doubt the assault would so fast that the brad can’t keep up. With the challenger having a 2mph faster top speed that makes it even less likely. Marders are quick but pitifully undergunned

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                I think marders will be used more in an APC role rather than IFV. The 20mm is good for light trucks and shredding infantry but it definitely will have problems with the frontal armor on BMPs which are rated to withstand 23mm. The ATGM is also just a Milan slapped on top and the gunner has to expose himself to fire it.

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                They definitely went the protection route over armament. The TOW outranges the Milan and the Bradley offers 2 TOWs on tap that are fully integrated into the gunners sight/controls.

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                >An infantry fighting vehicle (IFV), also known as a mechanized infantry combat vehicle (MICV), is a type of armoured fighting vehicle used to carry infantry into battle and provide direct-fire support.
                That's what an IFV does, protects the dismounts. Bradley seems like it can't do either, too weak to protect its dismounts too slow to perform recon. It's just like a big fat man walking around with a big gun.

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                At least it isn’t the warrior. The Germans were smart and designed an IFV that can maintain a base of fire. Iirc the warrior only has 12 ready rounds before the gunner has to manually reload clips.

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                The UK didn’t even bother trying to send it. They knew the ukranians would have no use for a slow ROF IFV when they already had superior Western IFVs. The challenger is a godsend though, it’s probably the only successful British armored vehicle design since the 1950s

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                What sort of cope is this? Are you talking to yourself and false flagging?

                Transparent warriorgay. Settle down thirdie, your tap water is sending you mad.

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                This. The Bradley is the best IFV the ukranians have so I doubt the assault would so fast that the brad can’t keep up. With the challenger having a 2mph faster top speed that makes it even less likely. Marders are quick but pitifully undergunned

                I think marders will be used more in an APC role rather than IFV. The 20mm is good for light trucks and shredding infantry but it definitely will have problems with the frontal armor on BMPs which are rated to withstand 23mm. The ATGM is also just a Milan slapped on top and the gunner has to expose himself to fire it.

                >Can't take banter about being fat and slow
                >Continues to cope
                You would think with it being so slow it would have good armor which isn't the case at all.

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                Yea it’s got the superior weapon suite. I’m sorry this upsets you. Perhaps you could post some videos in Ukraine of armor moving at high speeds to substantiate your cope a little better? Just one or two videos would suffice.

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                Gladly, here you go.
                Sorry your so uninformed ,obsessed and thoroughly addicted to this imageboard you monitor for anyone laughing at the fat slow boi

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                Is short bursts of 25mph considered high speed to you? You post a video of a single BMP trying to storm a trench as proof of what exactly? Why didn’t the bmp just take the trench with autocannon fire?

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                >25mph
                Please show autistic time over distance calculation with screenshots to prove your theory
                >Single video
                >"Just one or two videos would suffice."
                Yeah
                >Why didn't the BMP just shoot through a trench bro
                Yeah
                Have you tried reddit? You mental capacity is more suited to that place.

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                >Please show autistic time over distance calculation with screenshots to prove your theory
                same, that doesn’t look like it’s more than 35mph so I’ll need those calculations from you.
                I meant to say rake the trench with autocannon. You use IFVs to suppress the trench and either mortars or bulldozers to destroy it. You definitely don’t drive up to it and try and lay dismounts into it unless you’re moronic. The most successful trench clearing in history was a few bradleys suppressing the trench with 2 bulldozers burying the occupants alive

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                >The most successful trench clearing in history was a few bradleys suppressing the trench with 2 bulldozers burying the occupants alive
                Sounds based but I never heard of it. Do you have a source?

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                https://archive.seattletimes.com/archive/?date=19910912&slug=1305069

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                How have I never heard about this. One of the most based assaults I’ve ever read about. Thanks

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                I’m sorry combat earthmovers

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                glad the US is our ally

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                Now THAT is combined arms

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                holy shit. The gulf war continues to be my favorite curbstomp.

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                Thanks for the link. Here's a screenshot for reposting. I've known about this for a very long time, but finding a succinct article that describes it clearly is quite nice & convenient.

                Search string "bulldozer assault desert storm trench" turns up all sorts of references & articles.

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                Somebody needs to send this to the Ukies. There is undoubtedly inspiration there to deal with vatnik trenches and their krokodil teeth.

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                Sorry dude your posts are riddled with back peddling wrong information and just general bullshit a sure sign of someone who hasn't got a clue what he's talking about or possibly that of a woman.

                Take a break warriortard, put the curry on.

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                What was wrong exactly? You failed to post videos of armor moving above 35mph and got called on it. You tried to equate a single ifv storming a trench to armored assault doctrine. You failed

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                >he can’t refute the non stabilized gun flaw
                oh I am laffin

                >The most successful trench clearing in history was a few bradleys suppressing the trench with 2 bulldozers burying the occupants alive
                Sounds based but I never heard of it. Do you have a source?

                Good god look at the post time spacings. Warriortard has gone completely mental!

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                I remember this from a documentary (burrying Iraqis with bulldozer). Brutal stuff.

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                Brutal but effective. Kind of what the US does

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                How have I never heard about this. One of the most based assaults I’ve ever read about. Thanks

                I’m sorry combat earthmovers

                glad the US is our ally

                Now THAT is combined arms

                Stop forcing this so hard warriortard no one gives a shit make a thread if you feel that ignored. Autism is a serious condition preventing you from living a normal life.

              • 1 year ago
                Anonymous

                Calling Russians midwits is a compliment

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      bradleys are great and an armored assault wouldn’t be moving at 35mph. Brads were a staple in the largest armored assault in the last 50 years and they performed very well

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        >An armoured assault wouldn't be moving at 35mph
        Not with Bradley's that's for sure kek

        • 1 year ago
          Anonymous

          >T. Broke too many vehicles to be allowed to drive.again.

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      Marder IFV is going to be the only IFV which can actually follows tanks.

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        Do you mean western ifv? I think BMPs are pretty fast

        • 1 year ago
          Anonymous

          Not in reverse they're not.

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        >can’t fire on the move
        That’s a huge drawback

        • 1 year ago
          Anonymous

          Bullshit gun stabilizers were a thing in the 50s. There’s no way an ifv designed after 1950 would have an unstabilized gun, it’s just too important.

        • 1 year ago
          Anonymous

          Bullshit gun stabilizers were a thing in the 50s. There’s no way an ifv designed after 1950 would have an unstabilized gun, it’s just too important.

          A sure sign warriortard is upset somone called him fat and slow, its OK pajeet, superpower 2027...

          • 1 year ago
            Anonymous

            >he can’t refute the non stabilized gun flaw
            oh I am laffin

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      It's a fat frick of an IFV

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      Anon don't mention it's armor protection the cope brigade couldn't cope

  13. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    >czech T-72 upgraded by US and Netherlands
    I'm curious on western upgrades to soviet designs.

  14. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    With these sorts of numbers you might as well not bother. This entire line up will get chewed up in no time, and what then?

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      Only 4 HIMARS

  15. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    Bradley IFV is going to be the only IFV that can kill tanks

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      It’s slow speed isn’t an issue. It’s incredible armament is what makes it such a potent asset.

      This. The Bradley is the best IFV the ukranians have so I doubt the assault would so fast that the brad can’t keep up. With the challenger having a 2mph faster top speed that makes it even less likely. Marders are quick but pitifully undergunned

      I think marders will be used more in an APC role rather than IFV. The 20mm is good for light trucks and shredding infantry but it definitely will have problems with the frontal armor on BMPs which are rated to withstand 23mm. The ATGM is also just a Milan slapped on top and the gunner has to expose himself to fire it.

      They definitely went the protection route over armament. The TOW outranges the Milan and the Bradley offers 2 TOWs on tap that are fully integrated into the gunners sight/controls.

      At least it isn’t the warrior. The Germans were smart and designed an IFV that can maintain a base of fire. Iirc the warrior only has 12 ready rounds before the gunner has to manually reload clips.

      Lmao Warriortard your so easy to bait. Get new material already kek

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        What sort of cope is this? Are you talking to yourself and false flagging?

  16. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    What a logistics nightmare. I assume any repair they'll just be shipped leaveand and worked on by NATO troops and contractors?

  17. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    >Leopard 2 rifled gun

  18. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    Is that the Humvee with the big fricking autocannon?

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      >humvee with 25mm bushmaster

      oh, that's the stuff

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        Try 30mm

        • 1 year ago
          Anonymous

          >open turret
          >no optics
          Beyond moronic

          • 1 year ago
            Anonymous

            Are you moronic? There's optics on the other side of the ammo belt.

          • 1 year ago
            Anonymous

            shut up gay, it's cool

  19. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    If you want a good laugh check out the reverse speed of Russian tanks compared to Challenger 2; Leopard 2; and Abrams.

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      Still won't outrun a DJI drone laser designating for a Krasnopol shell

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        >Krasnopol shell
        Imagine Russia is still producing complex ammunition, or has the logistics to bring them to the front in large quantities.

  20. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

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  21. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    I assume they are going to use them in mobile warfare and to exploit breakthroughs and not use them for trench warfare.But that's probably to hard to understand for the average russian.

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      >Exploit breakthroughs
      Made by whom if you're not sending your tanks in first?

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        From experience of Ukrainian operations a combination of armor, artillery and ballsy moves by motorized infantry. Do you think these will be the only tanks in region?

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous

        Do you know what combined arms means or do I need to explain it to you?So far russia has failed to actually make us of it so maybe you genuinely don't know.Sending in tanks by themself like the russians have done so far is not how how you're meant to use them.

  22. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    >Send hundreds of vehicles from different countries with different parts and training for each vehicle
    >Shit breaks down and is stripped or left to rot in the sun.
    >Europe: "WE'RE HELPING!!! XD*"
    >*Put big money orders into our financial backer's accounts so they can make 100 new armor boxes for only 500 million each!

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      What a waste of digits.

      • 1 year ago
        Anonymous
  23. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    >Leopard 2
    >Rifled gun

  24. 1 year ago
    Anonymous

    Battlegroup:
    >Armor platoon of Challengers
    >Armored Recon platoon of AMX
    >Company of Marder or Bradley
    ??? what else?

    • 1 year ago
      Anonymous

      >At the end of its era in Namibia, the unit had developed into a conventional battle group. Apart from the infantry companies and the recce company, the battalion was strengthened by a battery of 120 mm (4.7 in) mortars, a squadron of Ratel ZT-3 and 90 mm (3.5 in) tank destroyers and a troop of 20 mm (0.79 in) anti-aircraft guns mounted on Buffel infantry vehicles.

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