How well would a light tank like the Bradley do in WW2?

Would the main cannon be enough to destroy WW2 heavy tanks like the Tiger or the Panther?

  1. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    you do know 30mm auto cannons existed in ww2 right?

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      with depleted uranium AP rounds?

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        25mm APFSDS DU rounds have around the same performance as 75mm M3 APC just under 100mm at point blank.
        Extrapolate as you want

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          afaik a lot of tank kills/disables would come down to lucky shots hitting front plate at funny angles or hitting it in a part that had shitty quality steel

          i would reckon 25mm DU would tear ww2 tanks up

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >assuming 30s-40s technology
      Light armor armed with autocannons existed and had their uses. They couldn’t duke it out with tanks at all
      >assuming modern AFVs transported to ww2
      They’re a game changer if employed halfway effectively.

  2. 2 weeks ago
    herbs in the field

    >light tank like the Bradley
    >Bradley
    >tank
    OP is a gay

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      its by definition a tank look up the dictionary definition.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        It is not.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      played too much c&c

  3. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    It'd get destroyed by pic related.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      That Puma would die the moment the Bradley sneezes on it while it hunts for it at night with thermals. Superior acquisition and superior fire control means if they spot each other simultaneously the Bradley will fire a burst off before the Puma crew even can successfully determine range.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      I can tell how receded your chin is just by reading this post

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        my chin receded while reading his post.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      A Stug would probably be more likely, but yeah.

  4. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    OP is a War Thunder gay for calling an IFV a light tank aside:
    >Thermals means pure rape at night, making Bradley usage at night and at range an uncontested matter along with being able to lay artillery against armored targets, infantry.
    >25mm sabots fucks up everything at range short of King Tigers through the front, either through piercing their armor or otherwise skullfucking the optics and achieving a mission kill.
    >Yes that includes the Tiger and Panther through repeated hits for any 80-90mm section combined with variable quality of steel/hardening for late war production. Any weakened zone like the turret ring is prime bait and flank shots are guaranteed at short enough ranges on the Panther's thin sides.
    >25mm HE will destroy optics of anything it meets all while pulping infantry readily.
    >TOWs (2, 2B, etc) are pure overkill against any WW2 tank and WILL throw turrets all day long.
    Kneel to your >90mm RHAe capable round.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      everything you just wrote is retarded

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Proofs, dickweed.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      https://i.imgur.com/52rphgG.jpg

      >Be in a Panzer 4
      >Suddenly have armor fragments and DU darts passing through the bodies of the crew in all positions
      >Explodes when ammo stored all over the hull is hit.

      >Be in a Panther
      >Turret crew screaming briefly as the sound of hits ring off
      >They go silent quickly after
      >Blood, feces and hot steel smell fills the interior
      >Nose burning
      >Final drive grenades anyways when the driver tries to change position

      https://i.imgur.com/bg4etXl.jpg

      >Be in a King Tiger
      >Sleeping at night
      >One of the other King Tigers suddenly throws the turret in a huge explosion in the middle of the night
      >Fucking get the fuck up and open the hatch to see what the fuck just happened
      >"THOOMF THOOMF THOOMF" from the distance
      >A brief flash of light, immediately order the gunner to traverse the turret
      >Driver trying to start the engine because fuel is always short because Nazi Germany logistics blew chunks
      >Gunner cranking the turret away as some dim glow of a bazooka round is wizzing towards the King Tiger
      >Engine finally cranks over, turret traverses to-
      >Thrown out of turret a moment after the first explosion overhead while organs liquefy, death is quick for the fortunate

      I really hope you're like a high schooler or something because this is the gayest shit I've ever read.
      You're mentally ill if you think a 25mm dart will go through a panther frontally.
      You're also mentally ill if you think you can "snipe optics" at 1km range.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >Panther
        >80mm turret face
        >100mm mantlet (with weakened zones)
        Dipshit moment.
        >Snipe optics
        You don't "snipe optics", you dump on target and let dispersion do the work. 1km with modern fire control systems is more than sufficient to aim at regions reliably.

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >80mm turret face
          slopped and at range
          >100mm mantlet (with weakened zones)
          curved and at range

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            meds

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >With 90% velocity to treat it as a non muzzle shot
            >Repeated hits to the mantlet where 70-80% penetration is readily achievable.
            >Repeated hits to the turret face
            >Perforations in mantlet for machine gun, optics, which result in weakened zones.
            http://www.longrods.ch/perfcalc.php

            • 2 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              Forgot to set the density of DU to be DU. Oh look, more penetration...

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Fucking retard.
                The Lanz-Odermatt Longrods site gives a figure in LOS thickness, not nominal armour thickness.
                94mm @ 60 degrees = 47mm
                Panther is 80mm @ 55 degrees = 139mm LOS

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >Moving goalposts
                >"Muh glacis plate"
                >Not punching through the turret face or cheeks
                No shit the hull can frontally resist 25mm APFSDS.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                that's hilarious because you or the other retard were insisting it could go through the glacis

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Keep trying to move the goalposts gay. I see implications of frontal turret rape for

                https://i.imgur.com/52rphgG.jpg

                >Be in a Panzer 4
                >Suddenly have armor fragments and DU darts passing through the bodies of the crew in all positions
                >Explodes when ammo stored all over the hull is hit.

                >Be in a Panther
                >Turret crew screaming briefly as the sound of hits ring off
                >They go silent quickly after
                >Blood, feces and hot steel smell fills the interior
                >Nose burning
                >Final drive grenades anyways when the driver tries to change position

                and

                https://i.imgur.com/B9eSH6h.jpg

                OP is a War Thunder gay for calling an IFV a light tank aside:
                >Thermals means pure rape at night, making Bradley usage at night and at range an uncontested matter along with being able to lay artillery against armored targets, infantry.
                >25mm sabots fucks up everything at range short of King Tigers through the front, either through piercing their armor or otherwise skullfucking the optics and achieving a mission kill.
                >Yes that includes the Tiger and Panther through repeated hits for any 80-90mm section combined with variable quality of steel/hardening for late war production. Any weakened zone like the turret ring is prime bait and flank shots are guaranteed at short enough ranges on the Panther's thin sides.
                >25mm HE will destroy optics of anything it meets all while pulping infantry readily.
                >TOWs (2, 2B, etc) are pure overkill against any WW2 tank and WILL throw turrets all day long.
                Kneel to your >90mm RHAe capable round.

                calls out repeated hits on the front.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Show me where moron

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                They use these formulas for war thunder anyway, you can test the 25mm DU against all the ww2 tanks in the armor analysis mode. The limitations are it doesn't do multiple hits and the german tanks are modeled with ideal quality steel armor.
                Basically the tiger and panther are largely immune frontally at 2km, at close range it's borderline, any defective steel or multiple hits likely leads to penetration.
                If you're planning on time traveling with your IFV take a cv90 with bofors 40mm or something with a CTA40.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Doesn't WT not model QA issues on any vehicles? It was notoriously rampant on T-34s which resulted in them being frontally penned by shit that can't touch them in-game

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                They used to way back when with at least the king tiger if memory served. Something like a ~.97 multiplier for the value to reflect the poor quality steel.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                T-34 is OP moron tank in WT, however at least it gets ventilated by Panthers at range, provided the driver hatch and optics dont send the shell to the shadow realm. If it was accurate it'd get overpressured by HE to the UFP.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        The Bradley has a modern, western built autocannon mounted to modern, western built stabilisers and aimed using modern, western built optics
        It can absolutely target a sensor package from a mere 1km away, that's basically point blank for a modern, western built system.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Depends how many and if they had a logistics train set up for them, and resources stockpiled for them, the ATGMs and NVDs would be very useful, the NVDs (and if applicable, Thermals) would be useful from an operations standpoint even if the bradleys werent used actively, the autocannons less so.
      The cannon would not be sufficient to destroy a Tiger or Panther from the front unless they were at close range, at an angle almost perpendicular to the turret face for the panthers A, B and D, or the hull for the Tiger I, and could fire for several seconds. They'd not be able to penetrate a Tiger II or a Panther F unless they shot through the optics/mg ports or jammed the turret ting. They'd be able to easily penetrate the panther from the side from many angles, but would need to be at close range and almost at 90 degrees to the side of the hull of a Tiger I or II in order to penetrate it.

      It essentially is a light tank though, its fast and lightly armoured, and is armed with a cannon, and its role is fighting tanks as well as being IFV, hence the decision to add missiles. Although its autocannon is smaller in calibre than many early light tanks, which tended to have 37mm at the smallest, but then again some IFVs have 40mm or 57mm autocannons.

  5. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    If armed with its DU sabot rounds? Easily. Though the tanks theoretically have enough armor to withstand it, the shit thing about standard rolled steel armor is that it really doesn't like repeat punishments.

    A few direct hits would sunder the plate, and the Bradley with its modern fire control system and sensors would be able to fire dozens of rounds before the Panther or Tiger could even locate it

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous
      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Would this still happen assuming krauts didn't have fucked up steel?

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Repeated hits to the same area can and will defeat armor. When the rounds are nearly able to penetrate they compromise a significant area around the damaged section.
          In practice the hits won't be that tightly clustered but more than a (few) dozen hits to a foot or so of armor where the penetrators achieve >50% penetration into the armor can certainly weaken the protection.

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            For reference the 3UBR8s shown in that FEA example which in itself has faults (ex: how closely spaced the rounds are along with the impacts being nonrepresentative of reality) does 60mm or so of penetration. Armor damage is very much real.

  6. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >Be in a Panzer 4
    >Suddenly have armor fragments and DU darts passing through the bodies of the crew in all positions
    >Explodes when ammo stored all over the hull is hit.

    >Be in a Panther
    >Turret crew screaming briefly as the sound of hits ring off
    >They go silent quickly after
    >Blood, feces and hot steel smell fills the interior
    >Nose burning
    >Final drive grenades anyways when the driver tries to change position

  7. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    light tanks in ww2 could destroy the tiger or the panther

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      By shooting them in the ass, what's your point?

  8. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >Be in a King Tiger
    >Sleeping at night
    >One of the other King Tigers suddenly throws the turret in a huge explosion in the middle of the night
    >Fucking get the fuck up and open the hatch to see what the fuck just happened
    >"THOOMF THOOMF THOOMF" from the distance
    >A brief flash of light, immediately order the gunner to traverse the turret
    >Driver trying to start the engine because fuel is always short because Nazi Germany logistics blew chunks
    >Gunner cranking the turret away as some dim glow of a bazooka round is wizzing towards the King Tiger
    >Engine finally cranks over, turret traverses to-
    >Thrown out of turret a moment after the first explosion overhead while organs liquefy, death is quick for the fortunate

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >because fuel is always short because Nazi Germany logistics blew chunks
      I didn't know having "good logistics" made your country possess more oil.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Getting your trains strafed by superior air power tends to amplify the suffering a non motorized army experiences. Enjoy living in the barn with your mules, Dennis.

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >hahaha those dumb germans weren't even motorized, they could have used them to transport the oil they didn't have

  9. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

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    Thanks for posting these anon, up until now I had believed that this light IFV was completely immune to all forms of damage, but now I can clearly see that that is not the case.

  10. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >The turret front and rounded gun mantle was made of armor 100 mm thick. The turret front armor was mounted at an angle of 12 degrees. It had a Brinell Hardness rating of 235-276.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      https://i.imgur.com/AJ5FiNq.jpg

      >With 90% velocity to treat it as a non muzzle shot
      >Repeated hits to the mantlet where 70-80% penetration is readily achievable.
      >Repeated hits to the turret face
      >Perforations in mantlet for machine gun, optics, which result in weakened zones.
      http://www.longrods.ch/perfcalc.php

      https://i.imgur.com/MkmkG1n.jpg

      Forgot to set the density of DU to be DU. Oh look, more penetration...

      >anon thinks point blank penetration is the same at hundreds of meters away
      actual retard

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        You want point blank?
        Here's your point blank with 60 degrees of obliquity too.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Only the prototype P had a thinner and rounded turret front, and the mantlet was 120mm. The Henschel tigers, the production run, had a turret face of 185mm.

  11. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    [...]

    have a nice day dennis you fucking gay, i bet you're gonna start pissing yourself and falseflag spamming

  12. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >TOW missile
    A squadron of Bradleys would be able to wipe out an entire German heavy armoured battalion with zero losses.
    >No missiles but still have optics
    Best scout vehicle of the war, fast with the best optics by leagues, cannon can fuck up any light and most medium tanks without too many problems and it of course rapid fire so even if it doesn't kill the tiger outright it's liable to cripple its tracks or gun
    >No missile or modern optics just fast with an autocannon
    It's a very well armed light tank that can carry soldiers. Not a game changer but still a solid vehicle.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >light tank
      even the original bradley weighed as mucvh as a panzer ivg

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Designations are doctrinal, Bradley is faster than a Chaffee with absurdly good optics, it would be a light tank.

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          not at the time. see medium tank m7

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >Slightly heavier than a Chaffee
            >Slightly slower than a Chaffee
            What does this prove?

            • 2 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              >weighs as much as a bradley
              >25% heavier than a chaffee
              pretty sure you're being intentionally obtuse, but spelling it out expliclty anyway: the us used weights and a 50K lb vehicle was not going to be a light tank. m7 started as a light tank, but when its weight increased it was reclassified as a medium

  13. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Yes. Because the Bradley will spot the tank first, maneuver faster and get to an advantageous position with low odds of being spotted. If it gets spotted, it can retreat and reposition at speeds the tank crew could hardly fathom.
    If you repeat the experiment 1000 times, some Bradleys will be destroyed, but in most cases, the tank crew will not even realize that the gig is up.

  14. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Stupid westoid
    4 bradleys have already been destroyed in Ukraine as confirmed by russian mod
    Another wunderwaffe for the grave

  15. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous
  16. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Just by attacking at night, it'd be clubbing baby seals
    >bbbut muh armour penetration
    so use that superior accuracy and nightfighting ability to target tracks and engine decks
    >le elite wehraboo panzer division of 130 Tiger IIs
    with 2 TOW missile tubes and 7 reloads each, a Bradley company of 14 tracks would snipe three quarters of that before even needing to rearm.

  17. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    It would be vulnerable to pretty much everything scarier than an interwar anti-tank rifle (which are more or less comparable to modern .50 BMG). If we're assuming you're transporting a top of the line modern Bradley to frontline Europe in any point of WW2 though its sensors and TOWs would make it one of the most feared tank-hunters in the war; but then again what were you expecting from something built ~75 years later?

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