Well, it's safe to say that the shortcut to Kiev through the Exclusion Zone didn't exactly pan out as hoped, but I'm wondering how much of a material impact did it have on the offensive?
Last time I heard, a few hundred Russian troops who had previously camped out in the Red Forest came down with radiation sickness that was severe enough to warrant evacuation and a few had died. I'm gonna guess that's a severe underestimation though, seeing as Chernobyl was one of the main routes for the Invasion and thousands of Russian troops passed through there without protective equipment. This isn't even getting into how much of their gear from rations to tanks, is now dangerously radioactive or whether they're bothering to get rid of said contaminated equipment.
I'm going to guess that the role that Chernobyl played in the initial Russian failures in Ukraine is significantly understated.
What do you guys think though?
You could live in Chernobyl exclusion zone for years and be fine.
Is that before or after you disturb the funni sand and dig trenches?
Say what you will about the commie morons but they knew they couldn’t let the area around Chernobyl be a nuclear hellhole so stripped the radioactive top soil in the area after the accident. I’d be confident enough to plant a garden in that dirt and then eat the produce I grew.
You’d literally have to lick one of the graphite rods to get sick at this point.
Anon, I have some bad news. They dug down to where they buried the radioactive soil.
>11 microsieverts an hour
Oh no!!! They might get their yearly dose of background radiation in a month and have an increased chance to develop prostrate cancer when they’re 60!!!
Shut the frick up redditor.
like there are some Ukrainian youtubers that went swimming in buildings around reactor and did particle detection test afterwards and there was not a single one.
Also that crazy girl that was digging through super radioactive trash in some barrels, she still alive too.
Don't know if that's the video but you get idea. Radiation level in kilosieverts range. As long as you don't breathe it in you're ok.
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i think hes talking about super sus, theyve been to the zone and the npp in particular numerous times
yeah supersus and that other guy kreosan that is even more crazy, like do it at home x-rays with soviet cancer-tubes series was bone chilling. I like them and they're a reason I got more into soviet/Russian culture and life more despite them ironically from current perspective being Ukrainians.
Don't forget that they went to fricking Jupiter and found one of the firefighter boots.
Not to mention this titanium blade turbine that not even the Stalkers would touch. https://youtu.be/LXWDnepaNwI?t=205
Do you guys know what unit they are using? I could never make sense of it.
I know this channel. They use roentgen on their dosimeters. I haven't seen this particular video but that looks like the one they use for detecting alpha.
It's definitely emitting primarily alpha radiation. The radiation stops after about a meter.
All radiation follows an inverse square root law because it's emitting in all directions.
Picture a sphere, increase the radius a bit and the surface of the sphere increases massively more. So the same surface area is hit by less far less radiation, whether it's gamma, alpha, beta, x-ray, neutrons.
The radioisotopes present in the zone are well documented, apart from some exotic plutonium isotopes in trace amounts, they all primarly emit beta radiation.
But I watched an HBO documentary that showed me that even touching a spicy rock turns you into a ghoul and turning a ghoul makes you miscarry and you can't be outside for longer than like 30 seconds!
This is also why we should invest in clean renewables like electric batteries and those windmills and solar panels, remember that when your regional elections come up btw.
You dumb fricking Black person, 1 microsivert is a yearly dose. That's indicating 12 times that PER HOUR. On some random vatBlack person rations aka shit you carry with you. Carry it for a week and you get close to LD50 for an adult human.
You know, the amount that kills 50% of adult humans within a month.
(Of course you don't know because you're a mongoloid brainlet but hey)
Is this the power of what burger or polish education? Like you get 3uSv just being on the plane and 11uSv is deadly. Wtf is wrong with you morons.
Sorry I can't hear you over my smug sense of superiority from dismissing popular thing, in this case the Chernobyl miniseries.
>1 microsivert is a yearly dose
~BUZZING NOISE~
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/9/9f/Exposure_chart-XKCD.svg
>Maximum yearly dose permitted for US radiation workers (50 mSv)
50x1000/11.32 = ???? ...this many hours you can run around before having to take a break.
If you're not an american yet, you should apply for a citizenship there.
>1 microsivert is a yearly dose.
Did radiation poisoning make you moronic, anon?
damn, remind me never to have a cat scan
>moron can’t tell the difference between mili and micro and goes on a provably false sperg rage
Lol. Lmao.
This site is the gift the just keeps on giving.
Everything you think you know is probably wrong. Have some humble pie for breakfast, lunch and dinner, accept you know nothing, and live a better life.
the actual danger is digging into the buried juicy stuff, disturbing it, and then breathing it, drinking it, and eating it so that it can radiate alpha particles into your organs
that'll frick you up bad
>Oh no!!! They might get their yearly dose of background radiation in a month
I'm told it's the equivalent of a chest X-Ray, so if you're overdue for a checkup
You are one a plane for what 12 maybe 20 hours a year, if you are a frequent flyer.
Theese idiots were camping in radioactive soils for weeks
Idk, bud. Get some of that radioactive dust into your lungs while you're digging for hours on end and it's going to frick you up pretty good.
Da comare, someone should take that anon to the infirmary hes clearly delusional
kek. CIA pay roll bawd and globoshlomo in full force..
I mean if you lived there for a year, you'd definitely increase your cancer risk, but it's not gonna stop an army after 5 weeks.
Considering the soldiers that ere evacuated from chernobyl were suffering from radiation burns after like 2 weeks, the actual radiation they were getting was much higher than 11usv. That's the normal background radiation of the red forest without digging down into and sleeping in the buried radioactive layer of soil.
>radiation burns after like 2 weeks
never happened, there's nothing left in Chernobyl that is so hot. where did you read that shit, let me guess...
>there's nothing left in Chernobyl that is so hot.
You see those firefighters' clothes in the basement of the hospital?
Go put them on.
We're talking a few millisieverts at most nowadays. Lethal doses are at least 3 to 5 Sv in a short amount of time.
Let's take 5 mSv/h as a baseline, you'd need to wear those clothes 24/7 for 25 days minimum.
This is without taking into account the fact that skin is perfectly capable of stopping alpha particles and that the body will repair molecular damage in the meantime, meaning you'll never really get a lethal dose from wearing them, just get sick in the long run.
>This is without taking into account the fact that skin is perfectly capable of stopping alpha particles
Oh, no. I'm pretty sure that it is with taking into account the blocking of alpha particles - isn't the 5 mSv/h baseline for Gamma only? And if BMPs and BTRs and the documented Red Forest forest fire kicked up clouds of radioactive dust that the soldiers would be breathing in constantly...
>Let's take 5 mSv/h as a baseline, you'd need to wear those clothes 24/7 for 25 days minimum.
Conflict starts at the end of February, and at the end of March we start getting reports that soldiers are sick with radiation poisoning. Soon the Great Feint happens. If we assume that the soldiers live and sleep in trenches surrounded by radioactive soil, the timeline fits quite nicely.
>we start getting reports that soldiers are sick with radiation poisoning.
You mean you've read that on reddit. Get serious man, one thing is trolling here and other being so dumb to actually believe someone got radiation sickness from being in exclusion zone for two weeks like there are chunks of core lying around or something.
>Conflict starts at the end of February, and at the end of March we start getting reports that soldiers are sick with radiation poisoning. Soon the Great Feint happens. If we assume that the soldiers live and sleep in trenches surrounded by radioactive soil, the timeline fits quite nicely.
Don't forget that supply trucks full of food and ammunition were driving through the Exclusion Zone the entire time. Meaning that even Russian soldiers who never actually set foot in the Exclusion Zone were likely munching on contaminated rations or loading contaminated ammunition into their weapons and breathing in the dust when they fired them.
>the blocking of alpha particles - isn't the 5 mSv/h baseline for Gamma only?
Gamma is even less dangerous, it's harder to block, but it's consider less problematic, while particles will kick entire atoms out (alpha), kick electrons out (beta-) or annihilate electrons on contact (beta+), gamma will, maybe, excite an atom enough to kick one electron out. Remember our body isn't affected by 100% of the surrounding radiation, absorption levels vary significantly around the body, vital orgals and the brain especially will be protected by the soldiers' helmet and bulletproof vest, which will help a lot with radiation protection.
>BMPs and BTRs and the documented Red Forest forest fire kicked up clouds of radioactive dust
Not a problem in the slightest, people visit the area in vehicle. You have to realize even forest fires in the zone aren't enough to kick up enough dust and radioactive smoke to make you sick, and remember we're talking about releasing radiation accumulated in the plants, not just dust laying on the ground.
>Conflict starts at the end of February
They started digging trench much later, in mid to late march when they lost momentum around Kiev.
>If we assume that the soldiers live and sleep in trenches surrounded by radioactive soil, the timeline fits quite nicely.
No, beause you assume radioactive soil is more radioactive if you dig it, which is a false assumption, radiation doesn't burry itself in, it simply disappears through decay, and the vast majority of the original radioisotopes released in 1986 have since almost or completely disappeared. Some waste was burried in 1986, but not in the red forest.
Stop overblowing the radiation problem in the zone, small doses over a month don't add up to a lethal dose, your body will start DNA repair almost immediatly, or everyone would be dead after 3-5 years of natural background radiation.
you're moronic, they're eating breathing and drinking the alpha emitters, people drive through the exlusion zone alone, or side-by-side, or have following vehicles decontamination rinsed before getting out. The topsoil of the red forest *is* less radioactive than the underlying material, because they buried the fricking forest there, and the russkies dug into the burial sites, there's photo proof, stop being a vodka swilling moron.
The guy who died from his rad sickness stole a sample of cobalt-60, which was why he died, the rest just got sick, but also fricking of course they did, they dug around in the red forest like it was a sandbox for an extended period.
>you're moronic, they're eating breathing and drinking the alpha emitters
They did not "drink" or "eat" 3 to 5 sieverts worth of alpha emitters, no.
>or have following vehicles decontamination rinsed before getting out.
Please point to me the relevance of this information when you claimed the problem is the vehicles kicking dust up?
>because they buried the fricking forest there
No they did not?
>and the russkies dug into the burial sites, there's photo proof
Digging a trench in the forest is not "digging in a burial site", yes I've seen the pics, but the forest was vastly untouched by the decontamination efforts in 1986, meaning everything remained at the surface. Only the trees have accumulated radiation, this is why forest fires are problematic, but far less than you moron believe.
Stop making false claims like a baboon, burial sites are clearly known and well indicated.
https://chernobyladventure.com/en/blog-mogilniki-zony-blog
Thanks for posting anyway, "mega moron".
>Please point to me the relevance of this information
because you don't want to be covered in contaminated dust, fricking duh
>No they did not?
yes they fricking did, the red forest is only part of the whole forest, of course they didn't deforest the entire region, and YES, the russkies did dig into the burial mounds, there's PHOTO EVIDENCE OF THEIR TRENCHES, IN THE MOUND SITES, we know they dug into the mounds because you can look at where they are, and see that the trenches correlate with the mounds in the *majority* of locations surrounding the plant., as well the high amount of plant material in the dirt that was excavated by digging equipment that is itself most likely radioactive now- you quit lying like a vodka-infused troglodyte
Yeah, but no, that wasn't enough to give them ARS as you're again overblowing radiation levels in those areas and waste sites. Experts already came forward on this.
Maybe if you put more insults and capital letters you'll be correct next time.
this is why russian troops got ARS, because morons refuse to accept that yeah, it's actually radioactive and dangerous. The whole world, except russia, agrees that it's dangerous as frick and absolutely can make you sick and kill you, just being off the main roadway in some places. You morons meanwhile tell yourselves "it's fine, am drinking wodka" and wanna play in the dirt.
>"NO NO NO NO NO THEY GOT ARS THEY GOT ARS I'M TELLING YOU THEY JUST DID OK?"
Holy sperging out.
It was reported internationally homosexual, have a cited articles with photos of radioactive russian rations... didn't eat alpha emitters... okay...
https://www.cnn.com/2022/04/08/europe/chernobyl-russian-withdrawal-intl-cmd/index.html
The article talk about a slight increase caused by dust. If only you could read it.
the articles has a picture of a russian ration producing over 1 sievert, moron.
>"CNN saw a Russian military ration box that exhibited radiation levels 50 times above naturally occurring values."
50 times 0.1 µSv/his 5 µSv/h
An intercontinental flight ranges from 10 to 30 µSv/h
If you wanted the confirmation people on this thread are an absolute waste of oxygen, you got it.
We know you're not blind because you're posting, there's a pic, the description is a mathematical understatement
Unless something goes horribly wrong, you keep your skin on during the flight, and your organs covered.
So what happens when those alpha emitters get into someone's gut or stomach? 😉
>If you wanted the confirmation people on this thread are an absolute waste of oxygen, you got it.
The irony of you saying that after that dumbass comment. :^)
>So what happens when those alpha emitters get into someone's gut or stomach? 😉
5 µSv/h doesn't turn into a 5 Sv deadly dose of radiation because "you eat it", that's not how physics work and maybe you should just stop posting anything related to nuclear physics or physics in general.
Regular geiger counters measure gamma anyway, not alpha.
neutron weighting absolutely can when it's ingested you fricking mongoloid. This is fricking sad, there's people in here defending digging in the red forest, stealing cobalt samples, and eating rations that click like Predator on meth.
>neutron weighting
What?
What does it have to do with neutrons now? They aren't even stopped by the skin so there's no practical difference between eating and not eating a neutron source apart that it'll follow you around.
unless you eat a ration that's visibly producing over 1,000 milisieverts, then it's pretty fricking serious
Wrong I can see it's Sv, so that's 1000 Sv of pure ionizing radiation in that Russian green box.
and obviously neutron weighting increases absorbed does with a exponential increase by unit of distance, it being inside you is a *big* deal, talk about it following you around
If I take on some weight, will it make the izotopes inside of me more radioactive then?
are you fricking high or just out of ammo?
No man since I too read the 153 megaSieverts on the picture, I'm convinced Russians ate a deadly dose of heavy neutronium.
also it's milisieverts, not nanosieverts you disingenous drunken monkey, both for background radiation and for the counter displayed in the article pic
> it's milisieverts, not nanosieverts
How are you this stupid? Look up what a lower case mu stands for in SI measurements.
background radiation is measured in milisieverts, not micro, moron, i know what mu stands for
Oh, boy. You really are moronic.
> The lowercase letter mu (μ) is used as a special symbol in many academic fields…. the SI prefix micro-, which represents one millionth, or 10−6.
Plus yearly background radiation is typically measured in milisieverts. Hourly is measured in microsieverts. There’s a couple magnitudes of difference between them, hence the difference in time elapsed.
It’s funny how confident you are even though you are completely wrong.
>over 1 sievert
>"levels 50 times above naturally occurring values."
That's either the Polish internet brigade getting drunk, or some elaborate vatnik derailment.
background radiation at large can exceed 50, don't fricking lie now, again.
>pic shows 1.5 sievert
>CNN article author isn't competent
>WOWZERS LOOK AT HOW LOW THE MATH I MADE UP BASED ON LOWER THAN BACKGROUND RADS MAKES IT
>NO NO NO, THE TROOPS WEREN'T TRANSPORTED TO A RADIOLOGICAL HOSPITAL IN BELARUS.
>THE PHOTOS AND GEOLOCATION ISN'T OF PROOFS. HATO LIE.
We've only seen soldiers being transported somewhere in buses, the rest is still unconfirmed to this day.
Soldiers transported to a hospital is not really uncommon during wartime.
>Soldiers transported to a hospital is not really uncommon during wartime.
It is when that hospital is a radiological hospital.
,
Nuclear medicine doesn't mean it's specialized in treating radiation induced diseases or ARS holy frick. Do you even know what nuclear medicine is?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nuclear_medicine
https://www.nibib.nih.gov/science-education/science-topics/nuclear-medicine
They have a website where you can see they're just a regular hospital specialized in using nuclear tech and radiation to diagnose and treat diseases.
https://www.rcrm.by/
You can click on every item to see the definition they give.
for "radiation diagnostics" this is what they say:
"The Department of Radiation Diagnostics is organized to conduct X-ray diagnostic studies for patients based on modern technologies. The department is equipped with modern high-tech equipment that allows for a wide range of introscopic diagnostics. The department employs highly qualified specialists, radiologists who have undergone an internship in computed and magnetic resonance imaging at the university clinic in Akita (Japan) and courses in magnetic resonance imaging in the city of Riga (Latvia)."
So I suspect they're not even specialized in nuclear medicine but just radiology in general.
Imagine basing all of the story on visegrad24 and your lack of knowledge in both medicine and nuclear physics in general.
Black person, did you even read the website?
>The purpose of the Center is to preserve and improve the health of people exposed to multicomponent and prolonged exposure to ionizing radiation due to the Chernobyl disaster, other negative environmental factors of anthropogenic and man-made origin, by implementing scientifically based measures to reduce direct and indirect losses of society by reducing the incidence and mortality.
https://www.rcrm.by/center.html
lmfao these motherfrickers *never* actually read the shit they link
That's for the human ecology part moron. Again, if only you knew anything about what you're dealing with.
https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/0013935170900587
read the complete article on sci-hub using the Digital Object Identifier (the doi.org you see), PrepHole doesn't want me to post links to sci-hub.
Now read the second part and realize they're here to diagnose and treat diseases these people suffer from, whether it's linked to radiation or not, and the biggest issue being cancer diagnostic and treatment, hence why they're specialized in RADIOLOGY and NUCLEAR MEDICINE to diagnose and treat, like we use RADIOLOGY and NUCLEAR MEDICINE to diagnose treat your regular cancer.
Holy cope. It states treatment, and diagnosis of affected persons.
>Under these conditions, it became necessary to create a new type of medical institutions, designed to carry out not only organizational and methodological work, but also provide advisory and medical diagnostic assistance to the affected population. In the Gomel region, this function was entrusted to the regional dispensary of radiation medicine, which began functioning on September 10, 1990. However, the technical capabilities of the dispensary, which allowed only diagnosing diseases at the prehospital stage and counseling patients, did not provide full medical care to the victims of the Chernobyl accident.
>but also provide advisory and medical diagnostic assistance to the affected population.
A hospital specialized in treating diseases and ailments typically found in the area it is located is the definition of human ecology. I knew you'd never read the article but you're just confirming my doubts.
Does it mean they got ARS? Does it mean anyone died?
Does it invalidate the fact that the overwhelming majority of departments contained within the hospital have nothing to do with radiation-induced diseases in any single way? Do you even know what kind of disease people exposed to the 1986 accident (you know, when radiation was an actual problem) suffer from? Usually cancer, birth defects for kids, radiation-induced skin ailments, joints and bones inflammation, metabolic problems, etc. Not radiation poisoning.
Maybe they got some ultra fast spreading cancer that can develop in less than a month, since apparently people seem to believe you can get ARS after sitting in 10 µSv/h dust for a month.
I can't even find info on anyone visiting the zone and diagnosed with ARS in the past 20 years so obviously the hospital isn't meant to threat this.
>A hospital specialized in treating diseases and ailments typically found in the area it is located
Yeah, like radiation sickness from Chernobyl. Literally why it was created. Not because of grandma's gout, and arthritis. Holy shit, are you really trying to gaslight this hard?
ARS doesn't last 36 years, sorry to break your dream. People don't suffer from radiation sickness anymore, only the consequences of radiation exposure almost four decades ago, which has nothing to do with ARS.
>Does it invalidate the fact that the overwhelming majority of departments contained within the hospital have nothing to do with radiation-induced diseases in any single way?
No, and those department don't negate the fact that it specializes in radiation affects from Chernobyl. Add this to the fact the soldiers were trenching 5ft into the red forest, while burning wood there and staying for 1 month straight with zero radiological PPE, it's safe to assume that is the reason they were taken there.
>Do you even know what kind of disease people exposed to the 1986 accident (you know, when radiation was an actual problem) suffer from? Usually cancer, birth defects for kids, radiation-induced skin ailments, joints and bones inflammation, metabolic problems, etc. Not radiation poisoning.
Then what better place to take soldiers who have been digging into, burn wood from, and living in the red forest for a month straight with zero protection. They would have extensive experience needed to diagnose and treat the exposed soldiers, no? Seems perfect, really. Why else were they there?
>b-but if you stay there nothing will happen
Yeah I guess breathing and ingesting contaminated particles digging trenches in the soil and starting fires that disperse said contaminated particles in the air that you will breath and ingest for weeks won't harm anyone.
You know vatBlack folk are trying to derail this thread because it exposes them as morons
Guesswork and speculation based on what you saw from HBO's Chernobyl is not a proof.
>b...b..but the vatBlack folk!
How to spot argumentless tourists on /k/.
>digging and starting fires releases contaminated particles that were in the soil
>ingesting and breathing contaminated particles are proven to cause radiation poisoning
>Guesswork and speculation
of course, vatBlack folk don't exist, just don't read the posts above which are clearly changing the subject and repost cum/chug/ging topics
ingesting and breathing causes bioaccumulation and generally thyroid cancer, yes, not ARS.
Just drop it.
>of course, vatBlack folk don't exist
Sarcasm won't help with that line.
JUST DROP IT OK!!!
look all I can say is I am so fricking glad I wasn't a soldier told to dig up dirt next to the biggest nuclear disaster.
oh you're also mega moronic, the red forest was the radioactive material that was buried, it wasn't some other waste they randomly buried in the woods for no good reason. Although russian *DO* just leave radioactive material laying around for people to find.
Wastes sites aren't that radioactive either, tons of people visit vehicle graveyards in the area with counters that don't go beyond one or two mSv/h. Radiation that completely dies down as you take a step or two from the source.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lia_radiological_accident
no i meant it, they just leave shit laying around
>He's comparing morons opening up the plutonium source of an active radioisotope thermoelectric generator with some weakly radioactive waste from 36 years ago.
there is also the samples lab
well there was one
go ahead put your hand in acid don't worry it's room temperature so it won't burn
>/k/ is le reddit
>proceeds to post reddit screencaps
>accuse others of what you're doing
classic vatBlack person
>I mean if you lived there for a year, you'd definitely increase your cancer risk
Lol, not even.
Pilots get exposed to such radiation levels, sometimes even higher on a daily basis, yet no study ever showed any elevated cancer risk among pilots compared to the rest of the population.
There's a grey zone in which we're still unsure if elevated but still "safe" radiation levels are harmful for man; some models even speculating they could be beneficial by nuking spontaneous mutations within the DNA without damaging it too much.
Now the russian shills are literally trying to tell you that hanging out in the red forest could be *HEALTHY* ffs
>what is the the linear no-threshold (LNT) model of ionizing radiation–induced cancer
Don't talk about a subject you barely understand, anon. Radiation does not behave like in fallout or STALKER.
"Hormesis has been observed in a number of cases in humans and animals exposed to chronic low doses of ionizing radiation. A-bomb survivors who received high doses exhibited shortened lifespan and increased cancer mortality, but at low doses, the ratios of cancer deaths in A-bomb survivors are smaller than those of Japanese averages."
From the article "Low-dose radiation from A-bombs elongated lifespan and reduced cancer mortality relative to un-irradiated individuals"
You can also read "Radiation Hormesis and the Linear-No-Threshold Assumption" from Charles L. Sanders, available on libgen that gives other observed large scale example of low exposure leading to significantly lower cancer rates among exposed individuals.
Can't post the links because PrepHole rejects them.
Don't thank me.
Basically the ox cart of shit parable happening in real time.
Go watch your gay Chernobyl miniseries again you homosexual. Radiation is a nothingburger so long you don’t touch or get exposed to the fuel or the graphite rods. It’s been like 40 years, most of the radioactive isotopes have decayed to harmless levels. You could literally shovel handfuls of dirt into your mouth and be fine.
Youre unironically more at risk of developing a deadly disease while being be a fat obese moron than some dude chilling in a ditch in Chernobyl.
the red forest is full of graphite rods and fuel fragments, you know that right
they were digging into the layer containing the graphite rods and fuel fragments
No it does not you homosexual. It just contains the remains of radioactive trees, whose radiation is by now harmless.
You duckers are just making shit up.
When the reactor blew the fallout contained graphite.
>Furthermore, the Telegram message stated that following the 1986 Chernobyl nuclear disaster, another cause of internal irradiation is Alpha contamination which has been generated as a consequence of fragments of irradiated nuclear fuel, graphite masonry strewn across this portion of the Red Forest. It went on to say, 'These fragments are now located at a depth of 40-80 centimeters, while the occupiers dug deeper. When inside the human body, this type of radiation has an effect tens and hundreds of times more powerful than that from gamma and beta radiation."
https://www.republicworld.com/amp/world-news/russia-ukraine-crisis/chernobyls-red-forest-where-russians-dug-ditches-shows-abnormally-high-radiation-articleshow.html
"telegram message"
facebook messages next?
>this type of radiation has an effect tens and hundreds of times more powerful than that from gamma and beta radiation.
Article written by a moron. 11 µSv is 11 µSv. Sievert is already the measurement of absorbed ionizing radiation.11 µSv of alpha is strictly equivalent to 11 µSv of gamma or 11 µSv of beta.
The difference is you need less alpha particles to reach a specific dose than beta particles or photons. What your counter tells you is what matters in the end.
Why ommit, "when inside the body"?
The gray (Gy) is the only actual physical dose ! 1 Gy = 1J/Kg
But the effect of the radiation dose on the body changes with the radiation type. Beta and Gamma are quite equivalent but Alpha is much more dangerous.
So we use the equivalent dose to consider the danger of different radaitions.
For instance, 1 Gy (1 J/kg) of Alpha is 20 time more dangerous than 1 Gy of gamma.
So 1 J/kg (physical unit) of Gamma absorbed dose corresponds to 1 Sv of equivalent dose
and
1 J/kg (physical unit ) of Alpha absorbed dose corresponds to 20 Sv of equivalent dose!
Now the different tissues of the body arer differently sensitive to radiations
So we use the effective dose to consider the effect of a radiation on organs.
The ovaries are 20 times more sensitive than the skin.
For calculation:
Absorbed dose: D (Gy)
Equivalent dose : H : Wr . D (Sv)
Effective dose: E = Wr . Wt . D (Sv)
For simplicity, the sum of all Wt = 1
So 1 Gy of Gamma on the skin (Wr = 1, Wt = 0.01) gives 1 Sv of equivalent dose and 0.01 Sv of Effective dose.
But 1 Gy of alpha on the avaries (Wr = 20, Wt = 0.20) gives 4 Sv of effective dose, 400 times more risky than gamma on the skin (the previous case).
>CNN
1 billion times more credible than RT
>Say what you will about the commie morons but they knew they couldn’t let the area around Chernobyl be a nuclear hellhole so stripped the radioactive top soil in the area after the accident
that was the soviet union with ukrainians running the smartypants departments, anon
>being this bad at false flagging
Just stop already. You and your ilk have long surpassed embarrassing, you are into disgraceful territory. Embarrassing at best, damaging at worst.
Soil was just turned upside down.
>commie morons
Is this a literal case of takes on to know one I'm seeing here?
Not in the Red Forest after disturbing the soil, fricktard.
They’re fine you fricking melodramatic redditor.
>redditor
rent free
Nowhere in the zone is radiation high enough to cause even radiation sickness let alone death.
It can "only" significantly increase chance of you getting cancer over period or next 20 years.
Just using masks when digging that shit up would be enough to protect you tho people don't use masks even for rona so I doubt they used them when digging trenches around 'nobyl.
on the surface, yes
not once you've dug a trench in the red forest and slept in it
Nuclear experts came forward and called it absolute bullshit, there's no way to get a lethal dose in a week in the Chernobyl area even if you "dig up trenches".
The hottest spots are small fragments of metal scattered around the place. And radiation following an inverse square root law, just step back a few meters and radiation becomes a non-problem. Unless they all decided to sniff crushed corium from the reactor's destroyed core or lick all night clothes from the Pripyat hospital basement.
It just really depends on what you do. Walking around etc is fine. There only localised dangers. Like areas with high sedimentation.
What happend probably is that they went to plunder the Maschine yard. Or just speak shelter there. There are dozers, trucks, cranes etc that were used to collect and shovel back the graphite and rods back in to reactors. You can even find pictures of one the death claws that went into the burning core online. It no good to make your camp in a garage full of that.
The second thing that probably happened is they found the locked safes. Thought hey what ever is inside, it must be valuable to be in a safe! Let's steal it! Steal a bronze looking calibration source because bronze looks like gold. Carry that c60 handwarmer back to your trench.
German detected
>there's no way to get a lethal dose in a week in the Chernobyl area even if you "dig up trenches".
Depends on the way you do it.
What generates the most dangerous radiation are alpha emitters.
They are warded off by a thin piece of paper. Literally wearing the mask and clothes helps.
The issue is however, if you start disturbing the soil and breathe in those alpha particles with air.
The problem is not that you won't get lethal dose. No. You will get the alpha emitters in your lungs that will keep giving you radiation as long as they are still in your lungs which will be impossible to remove.
And if you breathe in enough of radioactive dust it just stays in your body so every day wherever you are you are getting irradiated.
And knowing moronism of russians this is how it happened
The guys who got melted was the morons who stole the cobalt 60 source and thought it was a silver coin IIRC.
It ended up not being the dirt but the moron playing with the shiny coin that made funny sparkles on his cellphone cam and everyone near him.
Well these fricking idiots stayed there for four weeks and managed give themselves fatal radiation poisoning.
>the radioactive stuff didnt play a major role in the conflict. it sent what? a company of guys into the hopital in belarus?
A lot of their gear would be contaminated too seeing that they kicked up so much dust that it actually raised the general level of radiation in the Exclusion Zone. Maybe not enough to give you an instant case of ARS, but enough to give you cancer in a decade or two.
> Well these fricking idiots stayed there for four weeks and managed give themselves fatal radiation poisoning.
That’s for proving you are a moron
This depends whether you are digging trenches in places that weren't fully cleaned out or not
>still not a single shred of proof that a russian soldier died from radiation
>expecting Russia to ever admit to their incompetence
Lol. Lmao even.
I mean if Russia denies it happens. That's like guaranteed proof it did in fact happen.
Duhh. It was the snorks that thinned their numbers
Well, we have video of people inspecting Russian trenches with Russian artifacts in them in the Red Forest, with geiger counters recording significant radiation.
Now, granted that's not -definitive- proof, but it's pretty strong evidence that Russian soldiers were there in a region with strong and dangerous radiation. So unless they were digging those trenches in lead lined protective gear, we can assume that at least some of them got seriously. Do you have any proof they were wearing lead lined protective gear?
I don't know why I bother really, because you're clearly a pathologically dishonest troll and this is bait and you will never do anything other than disingenuously ask for ever increasing standards of proof. I could literally take you, personally you, to a hospital with a Russian soldier shitting his guts out and watch him say to you that yes, he's a Russia soldier and yes he dug those trenches and you'd still find some way to try and pretend it wasn't. Probably by claiming he has dysentery or something.
Hundreds of µSv/h may be signficant compared to background, but you'd still need 30 000 hours of exposure, or 3 and a half years to reach lethal levels.
I don't remember exactly how much it was but it wasn't more than a mSv/h, which would still take over 4 months at that rate. Again if we forget for a second that doses don't add up to a lethal dose over long periods of time.
>inspecting Russian trenches
What did they say and just link it. Plus the shill is trying to derail since he can't prove his point.
So why is there an influx of this fanfiction now?
Is this the new fanfiction some ukies made up after HIMAR-ing the pow camp?
>trash on the side of the road
>What did they say and just link it.
It was linked in another post. Basically that there's no place in the zone, even underground, with enough radiation to cause ARS, which is by definition a short but extremely intense radiation exposure causing your metabolism to get fricked.
The best they'll get by eating and drinking food laden with radioactive dust is an increased cancer risk.
The guy handling a Cobalt-60 source and getting sick is perfectly credible, such accidents happen in the civilian world too when thirdies scrap medical equipment and try to open the small heavy cylinders filled with magic blue powder.
>no place in the zone, even underground, with enough radiation to cause ARS
I see I'll look for it
good bait this post was though
The Russians were on a stealing spree and looted monitoring labs with hot isotopes. There's your Goiana
https://www.science.org/content/article/dirty-bomb-ingredients-go-missing-chornobyl-monitoring-lab
A few soldiers getting sick from orphan sources is absolutely possible.
But that story about a hundred guys who started glowing because they dug holes in the red forest, with a picture of a ration showing 11 µSv/h as a "proof" is nothing but a smoothbrain moment.
The idiots dug trenches and burned radioactive wood
That’s not enough to make them acutely sick you dipshit.
It didn't play any role whatsoever and it there was some radiation poisoning you'll only see consequences like 15 years from now with increase in cancer rates among participating units so like from those burn pits everyone is talking about now.
the radioactive stuff didnt play a major role in the conflict. it sent what? a company of guys into the hopital in belarus?
whats more important and i was there a few years ago, is that the road from kiev to chernobyl is bad and the roads in the exclusion zone are disastrous. i dont know what they were thinking they could supply that many people there
It was at least 9 busses
The biggest failure was straight up dashing around Sumy and Chereniv. The Russians had some of their most elite armored divisions get absolutely thrashed and as a result they never managed to surround the capital.
Most parts of the zone aren't that radioactive especially if you're passing through as a visitor. Hundreds of workers still monitor and maintain the power plant. If you lived in certain parts, ingesting and inhaling particles over the course of yesrs or decades, you'd absorb a lot of more dangerous levels of radiation.
Doesn’t their doctrine assume operation in a radiation hazard? How did they frick up this badly, they should have had the proper equipment.
>there is no radiation damage to the soldiers of Russian Federation
Everytime
>This isn't even getting into how much of their gear from rations to tanks, is now dangerously radioactive
That's not how radiation works. It's like light, it doesn't get absorbed into materials.
You could cook a meal on the Chernobyl's elephant foot and it would be safe to eat if you manage to get it out of there.
The equipment could get contaminated with radioactive fallout, though.
>what is neutron activation ?
Metals especially turn into their unstable radioactive isotopes when bombarded with neutrons.
This is a non problem with the extremely low ambient radiation in the area, though.
This is the only homie in the thread who understands anything about ionizing radiation.
>It's like light, it doesn't get absorbed into materials.
Radiation itself is, but what about the radioactive particles?
>they believe in the baseless tweets that were quickly swiped under the rug when US experts came forward and said there's no conceivable way to get a deadly radiation by staying in the red forest.
Of course these moronic threads pop up when it's morning in Europe. I wonder how much you're paid for this, poolacks.
>when US experts came forward and said there's no conceivable way to get a deadly radiation by staying in the red forest.
Post one then. Because every nuclear expert has said what Russians did there was unbelievably moronic.
You are unbelievably moronic.
>"every nuclear expert"
>posts none
>proceeds to ask for a source
Do you have Russian blood?
How about every nuclear scientist who was working at Chernobyl while the Russians were there, you stupid Black person? Post a fricking source to the stupid claim you made.
Saying that digging holes in a radioactive area is stupid certainly doesn't prove any of them received a lethal dose or even could have.
You seem to have a serious problem with basic logic.
>every nuclear expert
Why would you lie ? It's the complete opposite, they called out the bullshit on this story.
https://twitter.com/ELINTNews/status/1509571596440281092
Here's one who made a thread on it: https://twitter.com/CherylRofer/status/1509328182331248649
digging in the red forest and soldiers getting sick from radiation was certainly one reason for hasty withdrawal
>whole thread is people downplaying the radiation and calling anyone who disagrees reddit
lol, lmao even
Most of us use both sites, I’m not sure how that’s an insult nowadays
speak for yourself, reddit is dogshit
The only thing worth going on reddit for is pregnant porn and laughing at assblasted liberals who can't handle the thought of Anne Frank being pregnant instead of being brutally murdered. The site otherwise has basically no redeeming qualities.
No we don't so yeah frick you bro. Reddit will fry you and make you believe all kind of moronic shit just because it got upboated by millions or uneducated no-ones driven by their internal emotions, feels and biased perspectives. It's ultimate dictatorship of mediocrity.
wow you just described /misc/ though
Wrong, Black person, go back and tell your discord friends to stay out.
Just people trying to be realistic vs reddit readers.
OP asked did Chernobyl radiation have any influence on the war. No it did not, whatever bad happened there will only manifest itself 10 years and up after now.
You can't get radiation burns in the zone, you can't get radiation sickness no matter what reddit tells you.
You can tho. Red forest is called that because it was on the way of radioactive cloud. Particles settled on trees, radiation killed those trees and decomposed chlorophyll, and they became red. Then those trees were buried and the new forest was planted on top, but the original forest isn't deep. Just ~2m, and russian trenches are more or less 2m deep.
It's been 36 years.
There is nothing there that is potent enough, all the potent shit has decayed long ago.
That’s simply not true. There’s a reason many of the buried trees have yet to decompose. It is still a very badly poisoned place. I’ll tell you though what really happened. It was cold. The Russians dug down and found the buried pines. They had not rotted for whatever reason, the ominous implications of this lost on a bunch of illiterate churka conscripts. So they used them as firewood. It wasn’t fast enough to hurt anyone immediately of course. A week, or a month of these conditions though? It explains why it took a little bit for the reports of radiation sickness to come through.
>That’s simply not true. There’s a reason many of the buried trees have yet to decompose.
>apparently, decaying is very slow in Tchernobyl because the radiation disturb the mushrooms and bacterias
What the frick did I just read? Do you guys even know what radiation is? Like any slight idea?
Between these two and the guy on the other thread saying nuclear decay is a chemical reaction.
What has /k/ become since February? Where are we headed?
moron, they're talking about the radiation killing the bacteria and fungi that would cause the wood in the red forest to decompose, and thus all the poisoned wood in the red forest is still intact (but buried)
The wood is not "poisoned" anymore because isotopes decay and disappear overtime, no one fricking cares about decomposition of wood, radiation is not like cyanide sitting in a jar ready to be opened one day.
half lives of about 30 years means that a quarter of the radioactivity is still around, and there was more than quadruple the dose necessary to sterilize the area
Only caesium-137 and strontium-90 have such long half-lives. The vast majority of isotopes accumulated in wood 36 years ago decayed long ago.
apparently, decaying is very slow in Tchernobyl because the radiation disturb the mushrooms and bacterias
Where they trenched at.
Radiation levels where they were.
800mSv on the surface.
No wonder the russians got cooked.
I wonder why we don't use a single fricking unit for radiation, Bequerel, Röntgen, Sievert, is there a point to that?
>Bequerel, Röntgen, Sievert
Becquerel is total radiation decay/sec. Sievert is only measuring radiation that affects human health.
Their trenches.
there's some .gov site with radiological accidents report, I learned most stuff from there, crazy shit happens like guy getting stuck into medial sterilizer and all kind of final destination tier accidents. Try finding it it's days worth of reading material.
Hm I just remembered I have an old geigercounter lying around somewhere which never worked (displayed the wrong radiation, too low or high), maybe I should get rid of that
(old Ukrainian model) I never thought about where the device was used before
Anyone know something about this model?
At least the manual was in Ukrainian (I asked a Russian to translate if for me years ago), sadly I don't have it anymore
Thanks, I'll look into that, looks interesting
https://dosimeter.ucoz.ru/Dosimeter_Radiometer_Pripyat_RKS_20_03.pdf
Knock yourself out.
Nice, thank you. Sadly it doesn't show the correct radiation.
Muller tubes probably went to shit from just existing.
You can try and tweak the trimmer cap next to the buzzer and see if that helps
inside
Here's the Russian manual.
https://usermanual.wiki/Document/rks2003manual.268770039/view
Nothing really relevant in there tho
Ah, mine wasn't this extensive, I had a circuit diagram though.
Maybe it's really best if I trash that thing, although if it was produced in the 90s, there can't be that much radiation in there if it was cleaned or am I wrong?
Yeah the sound isn't working as well. I don't know that much about electronics, I tried getting a replacement geiger-müller-tube but haven't found anything cheap.
I love eastern block electronics. Their manufacturing always strikes me as somebodies basement botch-job hand assembled monstrosity from whatever they had laying around the garage floor.
It's probably useless, and it if you really need a giger-counter, you can score a cheap one for ~100$ that passed at least some testing.
But on the other hand this seems like a fun little novelty, a giger-counter from a country that experienced the worst nuclear disaster in the 20th century.
If you want to get it running try finding a HAM near you that half-competent with a soldering iron, should be able to get it at least withing the ball park.
It could be a neat conversation starter
Yeah it has something to it.
I made the mistake and bought this shortly after Fukushima, I think I paid 90 € for this kek
The problem is that the sound would be fixable without much issues but the readouts aren't correct. I don't know if it's a chip in there or the geiger-müller-tube but fixing this will be much harder I reckon. Also letting someone fix this stuff in Germany might be much more expensive than 90 € so yeah either I'll just keep it or maybe resell it. I should've kept the manual though, the circuit diagram was cool
These where standard issue to civilian "community leaders" in the east after the Chernobyl disaster to test food.
I think the unit in your pic is missing the gamma shield over the tubes, that might be the source of the wonky measurements.
The other thing that might be up, is that if it got a very large gamma dose the electronics could shit themselves. And honestly if this is the case, it's the coolest shit ever.
There should a calibration mode somewhere on the thing, but frick i know how to find it
Yeah I hope this thing wasn't used anywhere near Chernobyl but maybe they had better equipment even back then.
I removed the shield for the picture.
Hm might be worth looking into it, maybe I'll find something on that.
But the plastic is already crumbling in places maybe the thing just disintegrates in the next few years kek
They where manufactured in Pripyat Anon. Right after the incident.
Soviet plastics are questionable at best. The white plastics tend to push out the polymers on their own and crumble. The grey version of the meter is a bit longer lasting
kek yeah that's not very comforting. But as long as I don't snort the crumbling plastic and just store the device it has to be ok.
>Scale on instrument for measuring radiation got fired
>Very likely due to measuring values outside it's maximum range
>Lets keep it around
https://www-pub.iaea.org/MTCD/Publications/PDF/Pub1710-ReportByTheDG-Web.pdf
Read this and you'll become expert compared to rest of /k/ morons.
It's Fukushima reports but also covers basics like units, exposure limits etc. You'll also never fall for another reddit frontpage drama involving radioactivity.
I don't remember Fukushima crews breathing in radiation particles from digging trenches. Nor do I remember them not getting proper PPE gear.
>reddit
Now go back cum /chug/ger.
Cs137 has half life of what 30 years or so, those areas are now much safer then they where when power plant initially blew up. unless you inhale something nothing will happen to you let alone reddit fairy tales of people getting radiation burns and what not.
>unless you inhale something
What do you think digging these:
will do to the fine particle topsoil around the site? What do you think burning wood from the red forest will do to you? Hint, it will go into your lungs. They couldn't feed, nor fuel their troops at that time, and you want me to believe they gave them proper radiological PPE? Pic related is the fricking first aid kits provided to vatnig troops. KYS, you moronic shitskin Serb. Also, go back to plebbit, we all know you homosexuals post there.
they dont look at all like trenches
They're these(see pic), and soldier dugouts.
and what the frick is that? a kitchen? and i suppose the smaller one was a latrine?
Stolen microwaves anon
>and what the frick is that?
Checked. It's called an anti-tank ditch. It protects the sides and rear of a vehicle from enemy tanks, and ATGMs. Those are just stolen microwaves, like the stolen refrigerators, and washing machines. Vatnigs are literal Black folk.
Gee, I wonder why they'd kept microwaves and kettles next to a place they had to occupy for prolonged periods of time in winter?
Could an abandoned ups lying literally next to these offer clues?
Naah, let's just gobble the continuous stream of shit that ghostofkyivitter experts are shitting down your throats.
Are you denying your vatnig saviors looted washing machines, stores, israeliteelry, macbooks, microwaves, and much more? Do you need me to post the evidence?
Macbook
Damn, modern era Kelly's heroes. I'm jelly of the loot.
Is not stealing comrade
Is special relocating operation
>guy who can't go half a minute without turning the camera on his mug
>literally "a guy told me"
I bet you also believe all those staged tiktoks with teenagers pretending to prank each other for clout. Dunno why I bother with someone as gullible. I'll disregard the rest until I see a thumbnail with documents in it.
What sort of evidence? Serial numbers corresponding with warranty sheets and proofs of purchase? Sounds good, go right ahead.
While you're searching for those contemplate the logistics of moving a heavy-ass hunk of metal across a few thousand kilometers and the price a delivery company would ask for something of the size. Of all the ridiculous hoaxes from this war this one's the most persisting, I swear.
Russians will eat an entire septic tank of shit not to admit the obvious
>NO YOU HAVE TO BELIEVE ME!!!!!
No, we have evidence of your vatnig saviors stealing shit.
>jewelry, macbooks
yeah I guess, I would steal those too.
Microwaves and washing machines tho, you would not believe what those are used for in the field. For preparing food and washing clothes. No one is taking microwave or washer to haul it back home but to use in the field. Stop consuming reddit and twitter, it'll literary fry your brain.
>No one is taking microwave or washer to haul it back home but to use in the field. Stop consuming reddit and twitter, it'll literary fry your brain
g-b
damn, tried hitting upvote on that pic, have some serious muscle memory buildup.
>I-IT ON PLEBBIT SO IT MUST BE PROPAGANDA!
Holy cope, shitskin Serb.
>MUH TIKTOK!!!
Can you go 2 minutes without mentioning zoomer social media, SerbBlack person?
Here's the museum's director testifying that Azov threw incendiaries at the museum.
Afterwards there's an interview with an employee describing saving some of the artifacts
>it's fake! faaaaaaaaaaaake!!!
The same woman giving an interview 2 years ago: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FZZ7DzLgJ1E
Of course it's not fake, it's yhe russian media report.
>Ukrainian punishers ransacked the Mariupol Museum of Local History and set it on fire even before the DPR People's Militia approached.
Oh those pesky azovites, not only they're killing ukrainian civillians, ukrainian soldiers and even ukrainian sailors, they're also razing doen ukrainian museums. Many such cases.
>why would some of the ukrainian neonazis implanted in a city that nearly flipped to DPR back in 2014 in order to keep the population in check toss a few molotovs at a museum that highlights the Russian-ness of the city, while retreating and being btfo?
It's a mystery, I know.
You're welcome. It sure helps to hear this from the mouth of a person who's dedicated her life to preserving something, and even hid a part of the collection, to later reveal it and pass it on for safekeeping to those who will take care of it. As opposed to, you know, a random tweet from a twat god knows how many miles away.
A forensics expert, professional analyst appears. Even though up until recently, much like most of your compatriots, you couldn't reliably find Ukraine on a map, you're now our foremost specialist, and your skills are highly valuable now. Perhaps next time you should learn Russian or maybe ask any of the Ukrainians whose wieners you're so fond of sucking to translate these testimonies for you. Maybe then you'd realize where you went wrong in your otherwise impeccable and unbiased analysis!
>keeping the population in check by chucking molotovs at a museum
I'm not even part of this conversation, but what the frick are you talking about?
Firehood of falsehood in full operation.
You're a westerner, right? You write like a bong anyway. I hope so. You do realise 5 eyes watches this website and your nordVPN most definitely will not keep them out of your shit. Better hope the war stays cold or you'll be immediately blackbagged and gitmoed.
Yet another reason to hope for escalation for me though. :^)
You are indeed out of the loop. By over 8 years, in fact. But, since you're a spoonfeed-me type, I'll start a bit earlier.
>late XVIII century
>Mariupol is founded by the Russian empire which has conquered the territory from the turks.
>located a day's worth of sailing away from other Russian cities like Rostov-on-Don, it's populated by ethnic Russians
>stuff happens for a couple of centuries, wars etc
>only one worth mentioning is WW2 which (and the subsequent Soviet education) cements hatred for nazis in the minds of an average Russian
>in 1991 it ends up on the wrong side of the border but people cope
>in 2013 a US-backed coup results in a leadership change in Ukraine
>ethnic Russians watching the thing unfold live on tv witness mask-wearing neonazis making it happen, are kind of against the idea and don't want anything to do with those
>Russia takes over Crimea - which is a couple hour's drive from Mariupol
>separatism stirs in Donetsk
>similar protests happen in Mariupol
>unlike Donetsk, Lugansk and especially Slavyansk&Kramatorsk where Girkin/Strelkov sets up his roleplaying fortress, they take too long to get organized
>ukrainian army gets its shit together, sort of, rolls in, curbs the protests
You may remember this part if you were old enough to watch tv back then, Mariupol is where that footage of a bmp driving over a sad-looking barricade comes from.
>due to its proximity to Donetsk and to prevent further protests, Azov, a nearly formed neonazi group is stationed there
>8 years pass, during which Russian-speaking population is oppressed, granted, in relatively minor ways, though there's video testimonies of people being tortured for info
>war begins (or rather transitions to the next stage)
>Mariupol is cut off
>noose is tightening
>it's a free for all
>azovites are preventing civilians from leaving the city, are looting stores for supplies
>some also pay a visit to the museum because why not
Hope this clears things up for you.
>in 2013 a US-backed coup results in a leadership change in Ukraine
Proof?
Picrel is the real answer. Along with israelitetin, because Ukraine just signed deals with Royal Dutch Shale to supply Europe with gas. Crimea was stolen for the same reason: gas and oil. 80% of Ukrainian gas deposits were in the Black Sea off the coast of Crimea. israelitetin can't afford that, as that is where his money and power comes from.
https://www.ukrinform.net/rubric-economy/2644538-ukraine-loses-80-of-oil-and-gas-deposits-in-black-sea-due-to-annexation-of-crimea.html
https://sciendo.com/pdf/10.1515/bjes-2019-0027
>Proof?
Victoria "Frick the EU" Nulland attending the euromaidan protests.
John McCain attending the euromaidan protests.
US administration explicitly backing the protestors from the get-go.
Proven and/or admitted US involvement in dozens of election riggings and revolutions in the last century alone.
>Victoria "Frick the EU" Nulland attending the euromaidan protests.
>John McCain attending the euromaidan protests.
That's not proof of anything more than the US exploiting Ukrainian growing negative sentiment towards Russian puppets, sending their money to Russia instead of bettering Ukraine.
>Proven and/or admitted US involvement in dozens of election riggings and revolutions in the last century alone.
In Ukraine? So, you have proof? Did those Little Green Men grow on trees in Ukraine?
Active US politicians visiting these rallies, while on duty is proof enough of US backing Euromaidan. Think potus-Drumpf and some other senior official attending a KKK rally on official visits and saying words of support and encouragement (as well as giving out cookies and pierogis, I kid you not, Nulland did that), the media would go wild.
We can argue whether that's just the tip of the iceberg or them fooling ukies into believing that if they keep protesting they'll finally be admitted into that bright new future they've been dreaming of, or whether the Western support goes much further down, but that's already backing the coup.
>Active US politicians visiting these rallies, while on duty is proof enough of US backing Euromaidan.
Is it? Or is it just the US supporting something that was already happening?
mariupol is so russian that it even has a greek name. oh wait
Just like the rest of the cities founded around that era. Catherine the Great was a fan of Greeks so she named places like Sevastopol in that manner. Maybe read a book, or a wiki, before posting next time.
>azov was formed recently to oppress russians
ok you stupid vatnig, whatever helps you sleep at night
>A forensics expert, professional analyst appears.
>A forensics expert
In what? From where? And prove to me the person isn't paid or threatened by the Russians to say what they say? Do you have anything not produces by the Russian Intel. agencies?
You're the forensics expert, dummy.
> And prove to me the person isn't paid or threatened by the Russians
She hid some of the paintings and then gave them away. Why would she do it when she could've just told them that the nazis burnt all of the paintings? What gives you any reason to suspect she's under duress when she's speaking so eagerly and freely? Can you prove to me that YOU are not being paid or threatened by the Russians/Americans/jews/reptiloids/Moloch to make these posts even?
Honestly my citizenship/ethnicity, geographical location or the use of proxies is none of your business. Neither does it pertain to the discussion at hand. Trying to intimidate someone into towing the government's line is kind of Stalinistic of you though, you're really a commie at heart, it feels like we've come full circle.
>You're the forensics expert, dummy.
Just common sense. Where are the burn marks, burnt furniture, charred wood, etc. that an incendiary like a molotov would leave? It looks like damage from a blast wave hit it, not at all like someone threw incendiaries inside.
Also see WebM.
>my citizenship/ethnicity, geographical location or the use of proxies is none of your business.
t. Dylan Gonzales. ywnbw
Rare surname that can be tracked to a particular place, fair skin that easily burns but can still tan nicely if exposed to the sun properly, brown hair and green eyes. Hair full of hair despite the age too, thick and straight. Wish I were blond which would've been the ultimate combo, and for a while I had been - as a kid - but it eventually darkened into a regular brown. Oh well.
>You better fricking tell the camera that Azog did this shit or your family will turn out to be Azog in the filtration camp, suka
Highly reliable testimony, much obliged.
>Azov threw incendiaries at the museum.
>No scorched wall, furniture, artifacts, nothing
>Looks like it was bombed.
>MUH AZOV NAWZEES DID IT
Do you have anything that's not produced by the Russian military? Why would I assume she wasn't forced to make the statements after knowing Russia tortures POWs to produce propaganda for them?
why are you on reddit?
Someone uploaded the picture on reddit, I guess that means the picture is invalid and fake now
Dumb Black person you can find pretty much anything on reddit
What's next, you're gonna reverse image search and look for a twitter post with the same image and call everyone a twitter homosexual? My god you're fricking moronic.
People like warm food. Like you can also see inverter in the pic, you hook up inverter to your little tanks battery then microwave to it and you have nice warm food to eat.
brain dead east euro slavs...
I can see fricking excavator teeth marks, which means at maximum 1 vatnik was in a machine digging that hole. The dust (which is a nothing burger anyways) only affected 1 guy in its fullness, that being if any dust was even kicked up due to how wet the soil was.
Fricking redditors keep freaking the frick out over nothing
That's not from there. Just an example of the anti-tank trenches in the red forest. I can't remember the exact location of that vatnig anti-tank trench.
I can guarantee you the Russians didn’t dig any trenches or holes by hand in Chernobyl and used excavators there too.
>I can guarantee you
How can you do that, Serb?
I’m not a low IQ moron who thinks militaries would waste time making men dig huge holes and trenches in the rear when you can dig them in minutes using an excavator.
What, exactly, would lead you to think Russia is compotent based on their performance thus far, and trenching the fricking red forest? Using that famous high Serb IQ, i guess.
Confirmed for never having been anywhere near a Eastern European military.
Hard labor builds character and erases delusions of individuality.
Don't forget literally all the tanks, trucks, and APCs rolling through the Zone kicking up dust, too!
Yeah, and I remember reading that they didn't have proper filters to filter out the radiation like they were supposed to.
>What do you think burning wood from the red forest will do to you?
Like I sad before. It can kill you 15 years down the road. Immediately it can't and won't do shit so it had absolutely no impact on combat readiness of the unit that was there which was OPs initial question.
document is for explanations of units and exposure limits.
but also fukushima right after accident was way more radioactive than chernobyl today despite being only "mild" explosion with reactor vessel not being compromised.
Its safer for you to dig trenches in red forest than consume reddit because that's certain damage to the brain unlike with radiation where bad outcome is just possibility.
Then why did they get evacuated to Belarus radiation hospital?
,
>after accident was way more radioactive than chernobyl today
One, they had proper radiation PPE, and secondly, but most important, they weren't breathing in radiated dust particles.
>Its safer for you to dig trenches in red forest than consume reddit
Then why do you /chug/gers do it?
Cesium 137 and Strontium 90 have half lives of around 30 years. Days or weeks of exposure to exposed red forest material that the liquidators buried is enough to make you very sick.
>that pic
Obligatory
I would not be surprised if they all survived but yeah they all got fricked up
it's only been one or two half-lives and the radiation there was bad enough to kill you several times over
troony redditor, delet this HATO hohol piggy propaganda
Russians are hard and tough people, some little invisible thingies cant hurt them. That CIA destroyed power plant was a long time ago and even then strong and tough russian people carried the reactor back with their bear hands! Even your troony reddit fake hbo Chernobyl propaganda showed it!!
Man, when will the US finally deploy their giant nuke spitting xenomorph mecha?
you can dig a hole in red forest and sleep there for a week as long as you have mask nothing will ever happen to you.
most active and dangerous particles have very short decay times, what initially scorched forest lost most of its energy long time ago.
ruskies probably inhaled some of that shit but that will be the problem 15-20 years down the road for them.
>as long as you have mask nothing will ever happen to you.
anon their air force is flying without GLONASS units and radios, what makes you think the occupying troops had dust masks when they didn't even know why the site was dangerous in the first place?
There was also at least one soldier who decided to loot a cobalt-60 source from the secure radioactive material storage building. He at least got turned into sloughed-off jelly.
Well, go sleep in the Red forest then)
I still can't believe it even happened.
This entire war is just one giant practical joke.
From what I heard they had to requisition multiple border-region Belarusian hospitals and stuff them full of irradiated troops. It was quite bad, but most likely one failed pantoooning levels of bad, and not "everything failed because of this" bad.
Only one battalion camped in the actual Red Forest, the rest of them were nowhere near dangerous radiation levels.
t. Ukrainian who lived 30km from there
yeah, that makes sense
it's really bad for that one group, which was my understanding of the situation as well
>t. Ukrainian who lived 30km from there
What was living under Vatnik occupation like?
>dig into most irradiated part in the zone
>sit, eat, camp and breathe in the trenches
>Basically inhale radioactive particles into the lungs for a month
>Surprised this might be deadly for one or two vatnigs
no, anon, radiation is clearly reddit propaganda
after all Russia would immediately admit to any sickness among their troops right
right
only highest iq
What doesn't kill you makes you Tiger
>ITT
Reminder: Russians looted Chernobyl monitoring labs, and stole extremely radioactive isotopes. The kind of short-lived, vigorous isotopes that would give someone acute radiation syndrome.
ALSO, a CBRN soldier picked up cobalt 60 with his bare hands
https://www.science.org/content/article/dirty-bomb-ingredients-go-missing-chornobyl-monitoring-lab
I feel safer now knowing such dangerous materials are no longer in possession of Zelensky and his crazy wife.
You are genuinely pathetic. Genuinely pathetic.
one of the few things that scare me the most is ionizing radiation.
there's no efficient way to get rid of it. once an object gets contaminated, it's pretty much rendered useless forever, and you can't just dispose it without taking all kinds of precautions.
not even to mention what it does to living things. death is innevitable in a case of accute radiation poisoning.
that being said, i kinda feel bad for the guys that were hospitalized. a truly horrible way to go.
no, they took chernobyl because the other reactors are still working and providing power to this day, which makes sense if you want to conquer a country.
Still hilarious that dumb fricking russians that dont know what happened there happily went around stealing magic rocks kek
>working and providing power to this day
everything is shut down for years
>the other reactors are still working and providing power to this day
Shows how much you know on the subject, dumbass.
> In December 2000, reactor No. 3 was shut down after operating briefly since March 1999 following 5 months of repairs, and the plant as a whole ceased producing electricity.
>russians that dont know what happened there
A quick lookup shows there's been 5 Chernobyl-related films or tv series coming out in the last two years alone. And families of liquidators being routinely included in lists of categories of people available for benefits. It's mindboggling how clueless but confident some people are.
I doubt some poorass farm boy from bachuristan republic knows about Chernobyl.
Oh no.
it must be the reddit repost meet day...
you have to go back
Yes red forest is completely safe. Camping is fine. Soldiers are fine. 🙂
or maybe not.
ARS is only caused by very short, very intense exposures, not "staying a radioactive hole for a month". ARS happens when your body is struck with so much ionizing radiation it overcomes your body's self-repair capabilities and causes profound metabolic trauma.
As another anon pointed out, the body will constantly repair the damage of a long, low intensity exposure.
Stop sperging left and right, making assumptions about "muh ultra super radioactive soil they dug up", there's just no way to get ARS by playing with the soil.
Besides, the zone is littered with radiation sensors that regularly go crazy when dust is kicked up. If they dug up so much of that "magic glowing clay" you claim they did, everyone, especially the IAEA would have known and made a press release about it; except they didn't and no one but you and those twittards seem to know what they did to be irradiated, if this is even a true story, which it probably isn't.
The radiation detectors got shut off when the Russians took Chernobyl
https://www.businessinsider.com/chernobyl-iaea-cut-off-from-radiation-monitors-after-russia-attack-2022-3?amp
Radiation didn't leave with the Russians and those "massive totally dangerous, ARS levels of radiation" would have been detected subsequently following their departure, but they were not.
Russians looted short-lived hot isotopes from Chernobyl monitoring labs and gave themselves ARS
That's a completely different narrative than "look I've seen pics of the trenches, they totally got ARS from the forest".
This debate is meaningless.
Getting ARS from a radiation source I wouldn't doub it, but the story was about digging some spicy forest soil and getting ARS from it, which is very dubious if not simply impossible.
>dig up all that shit for nothing
that's the part that makes it funny. digging ditches next to chernobyl for the sum total of breathing in dust and retreating.
you got two people dumbass, mostly me, but still two people. no verification.
I'm relieved to know you're the only smoothbrain still active on that thread.
Show guns.
I haven't seen any source for anything other than
>Power plant workers protest feebly
>Ukrainians think Russians are real dicks
The truth will come out, probably in a few years, till then I just don't really care. Either some Russians got irradiated or they didn't, it's irrelevant
This got explained countless times, walking for a bit in the red forest? Pretty okay, even in the hot zones.
Digging trenches, where you will cook, eat, sleep, use your hands full of dirt to touch your drinking cup and most of all breathe during fricking WEEKS is not good at all. Most of them won't even live to see the next star wars movie.
> Most of them won't even live to see the next star wars movie.
What an apt reference for a redditor. Go back.
>you made a joke so it means I'm right
You really grasp at straws vatnik
What are going to do? Cry bout it? Fricking die redditor.
>Experts and people familiar with the zone still doubting how anyone could have gotten ARS from sitting in the red forest
>Meanwhile nuclear experts on /k/ with zero actual knowledge are still explaining confidently how easy it is to die from radiation by eating crackers in dirt less radioactive than a transatlantic flight
This is all tiresome.
Verification not required.
I volunteer the skeptics here to prove their conviction by building us one hundred sandcastles in the Zone.
When you claim something, the burden of proof is upon you, chum.
https://twitter.com/mdfzeh/status/1557819440334602243
Why are vatniks so adamant to defend some poor fricks digging in radioactive soil?
It's a nice distraction from the humiliating destruction of their airbase.
The value of the conquered Ukr. territory is $7 billion.
Are you fricking kidding me? Hundreds of thousands are dead or crippled, countless cities have been razed, millions have been displaced, Russia has completely destroyed it's reputation both militarily and diplomatically as well as it's economy, for 7 billlion fricking dollars worth of territory they're not gonna do shit with?
It'll probably be worth even more once the Russian infestation is exterminated.
and so far the cost of the "special military operation" or NWO (as it is written in russian) surpasses by far that number you pulled out of your ass
special security operation will be refinanced in approx 1 year
>"anyone who exposes my lies is a vatnik"
>ip count didn't change
Verification not required.
Those destroyed planes really hurt your feelings eh?
You're living in a bubble anon, not everyone you interact with is mister FSB glowie paid to derail /k/ threads. Go outside and touch grass, breathe in some fresh air.
That's a lot of cope Ivan
t. John from Miami powiat, Florida voivodeship.
oh frick is that steven seagull
You didn't know? He's a mascot at this point
He's a US intel asset, just like Dennis Rodman is for best Korea, and Shawn Penn was for El Chapo.
Meow?