How much of a role did Chernobyl play in the failure of the Kiev Offensive

Well, it's safe to say that the shortcut to Kiev through the Exclusion Zone didn't exactly pan out as hoped, but I'm wondering how much of a material impact did it have on the offensive?

Last time I heard, a few hundred Russian troops who had previously camped out in the Red Forest came down with radiation sickness that was severe enough to warrant evacuation and a few had died. I'm gonna guess that's a severe underestimation though, seeing as Chernobyl was one of the main routes for the Invasion and thousands of Russian troops passed through there without protective equipment. This isn't even getting into how much of their gear from rations to tanks, is now dangerously radioactive or whether they're bothering to get rid of said contaminated equipment.

I'm going to guess that the role that Chernobyl played in the initial Russian failures in Ukraine is significantly understated.

What do you guys think though?

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  1. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    You could live in Chernobyl exclusion zone for years and be fine.

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      Is that before or after you disturb the funni sand and dig trenches?

      • 2 years ago
        Anonymous

        Say what you will about the commie morons but they knew they couldn’t let the area around Chernobyl be a nuclear hellhole so stripped the radioactive top soil in the area after the accident. I’d be confident enough to plant a garden in that dirt and then eat the produce I grew.

        You’d literally have to lick one of the graphite rods to get sick at this point.

        • 2 years ago
          Anonymous

          Anon, I have some bad news. They dug down to where they buried the radioactive soil.

          • 2 years ago
            Anonymous

            >11 microsieverts an hour

            Oh no!!! They might get their yearly dose of background radiation in a month and have an increased chance to develop prostrate cancer when they’re 60!!!

            Shut the frick up redditor.

            • 2 years ago
              Anonymous

              like there are some Ukrainian youtubers that went swimming in buildings around reactor and did particle detection test afterwards and there was not a single one.
              Also that crazy girl that was digging through super radioactive trash in some barrels, she still alive too.

              • 2 years ago
                Anonymous

                Don't know if that's the video but you get idea. Radiation level in kilosieverts range. As long as you don't breathe it in you're ok.

                ?t=219

              • 2 years ago
                Anonymous

                i think hes talking about super sus, theyve been to the zone and the npp in particular numerous times

              • 2 years ago
                Anonymous

                yeah supersus and that other guy kreosan that is even more crazy, like do it at home x-rays with soviet cancer-tubes series was bone chilling. I like them and they're a reason I got more into soviet/Russian culture and life more despite them ironically from current perspective being Ukrainians.

              • 2 years ago
                Anonymous

                Don't forget that they went to fricking Jupiter and found one of the firefighter boots.
                Not to mention this titanium blade turbine that not even the Stalkers would touch. https://youtu.be/LXWDnepaNwI?t=205

                Don't know if that's the video but you get idea. Radiation level in kilosieverts range. As long as you don't breathe it in you're ok.

                ?t=219

                Do you guys know what unit they are using? I could never make sense of it.

              • 2 years ago
                Anonymous

                I know this channel. They use roentgen on their dosimeters. I haven't seen this particular video but that looks like the one they use for detecting alpha.

              • 2 years ago
                Anonymous

                It's definitely emitting primarily alpha radiation. The radiation stops after about a meter.

              • 2 years ago
                Anonymous

                All radiation follows an inverse square root law because it's emitting in all directions.
                Picture a sphere, increase the radius a bit and the surface of the sphere increases massively more. So the same surface area is hit by less far less radiation, whether it's gamma, alpha, beta, x-ray, neutrons.
                The radioisotopes present in the zone are well documented, apart from some exotic plutonium isotopes in trace amounts, they all primarly emit beta radiation.

            • 2 years ago
              Anonymous

              But I watched an HBO documentary that showed me that even touching a spicy rock turns you into a ghoul and turning a ghoul makes you miscarry and you can't be outside for longer than like 30 seconds!
              This is also why we should invest in clean renewables like electric batteries and those windmills and solar panels, remember that when your regional elections come up btw.

            • 2 years ago
              Anonymous

              You dumb fricking Black person, 1 microsivert is a yearly dose. That's indicating 12 times that PER HOUR. On some random vatBlack person rations aka shit you carry with you. Carry it for a week and you get close to LD50 for an adult human.

              You know, the amount that kills 50% of adult humans within a month.
              (Of course you don't know because you're a mongoloid brainlet but hey)

              • 2 years ago
                Anonymous

                Is this the power of what burger or polish education? Like you get 3uSv just being on the plane and 11uSv is deadly. Wtf is wrong with you morons.

              • 2 years ago
                Anonymous

                Sorry I can't hear you over my smug sense of superiority from dismissing popular thing, in this case the Chernobyl miniseries.

              • 2 years ago
                Anonymous

                >1 microsivert is a yearly dose
                ~BUZZING NOISE~
                https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/9/9f/Exposure_chart-XKCD.svg
                >Maximum yearly dose permitted for US radiation workers (50 mSv)
                50x1000/11.32 = ???? ...this many hours you can run around before having to take a break.
                If you're not an american yet, you should apply for a citizenship there.

              • 2 years ago
                Anonymous

                >1 microsivert is a yearly dose.
                Did radiation poisoning make you moronic, anon?

              • 2 years ago
                Anonymous

                damn, remind me never to have a cat scan

              • 2 years ago
                Anonymous

                >moron can’t tell the difference between mili and micro and goes on a provably false sperg rage

                Lol. Lmao.

                This site is the gift the just keeps on giving.

              • 2 years ago
                Anonymous

                Everything you think you know is probably wrong. Have some humble pie for breakfast, lunch and dinner, accept you know nothing, and live a better life.

              • 2 years ago
                Anonymous

                the actual danger is digging into the buried juicy stuff, disturbing it, and then breathing it, drinking it, and eating it so that it can radiate alpha particles into your organs
                that'll frick you up bad

            • 2 years ago
              Anonymous

              >Oh no!!! They might get their yearly dose of background radiation in a month

              I'm told it's the equivalent of a chest X-Ray, so if you're overdue for a checkup

              • 2 years ago
                Anonymous

                You are one a plane for what 12 maybe 20 hours a year, if you are a frequent flyer.
                Theese idiots were camping in radioactive soils for weeks

            • 2 years ago
              Anonymous

              Idk, bud. Get some of that radioactive dust into your lungs while you're digging for hours on end and it's going to frick you up pretty good.

            • 2 years ago
              Anonymous

              Da comare, someone should take that anon to the infirmary hes clearly delusional

          • 2 years ago
            Anonymous

            kek. CIA pay roll bawd and globoshlomo in full force..

          • 2 years ago
            Anonymous

            I mean if you lived there for a year, you'd definitely increase your cancer risk, but it's not gonna stop an army after 5 weeks.

            • 2 years ago
              Anonymous

              Considering the soldiers that ere evacuated from chernobyl were suffering from radiation burns after like 2 weeks, the actual radiation they were getting was much higher than 11usv. That's the normal background radiation of the red forest without digging down into and sleeping in the buried radioactive layer of soil.

              • 2 years ago
                Anonymous

                >radiation burns after like 2 weeks
                never happened, there's nothing left in Chernobyl that is so hot. where did you read that shit, let me guess...

              • 2 years ago
                Anonymous

                >there's nothing left in Chernobyl that is so hot.

                You see those firefighters' clothes in the basement of the hospital?

                Go put them on.

              • 2 years ago
                Anonymous

                We're talking a few millisieverts at most nowadays. Lethal doses are at least 3 to 5 Sv in a short amount of time.

                Let's take 5 mSv/h as a baseline, you'd need to wear those clothes 24/7 for 25 days minimum.
                This is without taking into account the fact that skin is perfectly capable of stopping alpha particles and that the body will repair molecular damage in the meantime, meaning you'll never really get a lethal dose from wearing them, just get sick in the long run.

              • 2 years ago
                Anonymous

                >This is without taking into account the fact that skin is perfectly capable of stopping alpha particles
                Oh, no. I'm pretty sure that it is with taking into account the blocking of alpha particles - isn't the 5 mSv/h baseline for Gamma only? And if BMPs and BTRs and the documented Red Forest forest fire kicked up clouds of radioactive dust that the soldiers would be breathing in constantly...

                >Let's take 5 mSv/h as a baseline, you'd need to wear those clothes 24/7 for 25 days minimum.
                Conflict starts at the end of February, and at the end of March we start getting reports that soldiers are sick with radiation poisoning. Soon the Great Feint happens. If we assume that the soldiers live and sleep in trenches surrounded by radioactive soil, the timeline fits quite nicely.

              • 2 years ago
                Anonymous

                >we start getting reports that soldiers are sick with radiation poisoning.
                You mean you've read that on reddit. Get serious man, one thing is trolling here and other being so dumb to actually believe someone got radiation sickness from being in exclusion zone for two weeks like there are chunks of core lying around or something.

              • 2 years ago
                Anonymous

                >Conflict starts at the end of February, and at the end of March we start getting reports that soldiers are sick with radiation poisoning. Soon the Great Feint happens. If we assume that the soldiers live and sleep in trenches surrounded by radioactive soil, the timeline fits quite nicely.

                Don't forget that supply trucks full of food and ammunition were driving through the Exclusion Zone the entire time. Meaning that even Russian soldiers who never actually set foot in the Exclusion Zone were likely munching on contaminated rations or loading contaminated ammunition into their weapons and breathing in the dust when they fired them.

              • 2 years ago
                Anonymous

                >the blocking of alpha particles - isn't the 5 mSv/h baseline for Gamma only?
                Gamma is even less dangerous, it's harder to block, but it's consider less problematic, while particles will kick entire atoms out (alpha), kick electrons out (beta-) or annihilate electrons on contact (beta+), gamma will, maybe, excite an atom enough to kick one electron out. Remember our body isn't affected by 100% of the surrounding radiation, absorption levels vary significantly around the body, vital orgals and the brain especially will be protected by the soldiers' helmet and bulletproof vest, which will help a lot with radiation protection.
                >BMPs and BTRs and the documented Red Forest forest fire kicked up clouds of radioactive dust
                Not a problem in the slightest, people visit the area in vehicle. You have to realize even forest fires in the zone aren't enough to kick up enough dust and radioactive smoke to make you sick, and remember we're talking about releasing radiation accumulated in the plants, not just dust laying on the ground.
                >Conflict starts at the end of February
                They started digging trench much later, in mid to late march when they lost momentum around Kiev.
                >If we assume that the soldiers live and sleep in trenches surrounded by radioactive soil, the timeline fits quite nicely.
                No, beause you assume radioactive soil is more radioactive if you dig it, which is a false assumption, radiation doesn't burry itself in, it simply disappears through decay, and the vast majority of the original radioisotopes released in 1986 have since almost or completely disappeared. Some waste was burried in 1986, but not in the red forest.

                Stop overblowing the radiation problem in the zone, small doses over a month don't add up to a lethal dose, your body will start DNA repair almost immediatly, or everyone would be dead after 3-5 years of natural background radiation.

              • 2 years ago
                Anonymous

                you're moronic, they're eating breathing and drinking the alpha emitters, people drive through the exlusion zone alone, or side-by-side, or have following vehicles decontamination rinsed before getting out. The topsoil of the red forest *is* less radioactive than the underlying material, because they buried the fricking forest there, and the russkies dug into the burial sites, there's photo proof, stop being a vodka swilling moron.
                The guy who died from his rad sickness stole a sample of cobalt-60, which was why he died, the rest just got sick, but also fricking of course they did, they dug around in the red forest like it was a sandbox for an extended period.

              • 2 years ago
                Anonymous

                >you're moronic, they're eating breathing and drinking the alpha emitters
                They did not "drink" or "eat" 3 to 5 sieverts worth of alpha emitters, no.
                >or have following vehicles decontamination rinsed before getting out.
                Please point to me the relevance of this information when you claimed the problem is the vehicles kicking dust up?
                >because they buried the fricking forest there
                No they did not?
                >and the russkies dug into the burial sites, there's photo proof
                Digging a trench in the forest is not "digging in a burial site", yes I've seen the pics, but the forest was vastly untouched by the decontamination efforts in 1986, meaning everything remained at the surface. Only the trees have accumulated radiation, this is why forest fires are problematic, but far less than you moron believe.

                oh you're also mega moronic, the red forest was the radioactive material that was buried, it wasn't some other waste they randomly buried in the woods for no good reason. Although russian *DO* just leave radioactive material laying around for people to find.

                Stop making false claims like a baboon, burial sites are clearly known and well indicated.
                https://chernobyladventure.com/en/blog-mogilniki-zony-blog
                Thanks for posting anyway, "mega moron".

              • 2 years ago
                Anonymous

                >Please point to me the relevance of this information
                because you don't want to be covered in contaminated dust, fricking duh
                >No they did not?
                yes they fricking did, the red forest is only part of the whole forest, of course they didn't deforest the entire region, and YES, the russkies did dig into the burial mounds, there's PHOTO EVIDENCE OF THEIR TRENCHES, IN THE MOUND SITES, we know they dug into the mounds because you can look at where they are, and see that the trenches correlate with the mounds in the *majority* of locations surrounding the plant., as well the high amount of plant material in the dirt that was excavated by digging equipment that is itself most likely radioactive now- you quit lying like a vodka-infused troglodyte

              • 2 years ago
                Anonymous

                Yeah, but no, that wasn't enough to give them ARS as you're again overblowing radiation levels in those areas and waste sites. Experts already came forward on this.
                Maybe if you put more insults and capital letters you'll be correct next time.

              • 2 years ago
                Anonymous

                Wastes sites aren't that radioactive either, tons of people visit vehicle graveyards in the area with counters that don't go beyond one or two mSv/h. Radiation that completely dies down as you take a step or two from the source.

                That's a completely different narrative than "look I've seen pics of the trenches, they totally got ARS from the forest".
                This debate is meaningless.
                Getting ARS from a radiation source I wouldn't doub it, but the story was about digging some spicy forest soil and getting ARS from it, which is very dubious if not simply impossible.

                Radiation didn't leave with the Russians and those "massive totally dangerous, ARS levels of radiation" would have been detected subsequently following their departure, but they were not.

                this is why russian troops got ARS, because morons refuse to accept that yeah, it's actually radioactive and dangerous. The whole world, except russia, agrees that it's dangerous as frick and absolutely can make you sick and kill you, just being off the main roadway in some places. You morons meanwhile tell yourselves "it's fine, am drinking wodka" and wanna play in the dirt.

              • 2 years ago
                Anonymous

                >"NO NO NO NO NO THEY GOT ARS THEY GOT ARS I'M TELLING YOU THEY JUST DID OK?"
                Holy sperging out.

              • 2 years ago
                Anonymous

                It was reported internationally homosexual, have a cited articles with photos of radioactive russian rations... didn't eat alpha emitters... okay...
                https://www.cnn.com/2022/04/08/europe/chernobyl-russian-withdrawal-intl-cmd/index.html

              • 2 years ago
                Anonymous

                The article talk about a slight increase caused by dust. If only you could read it.

              • 2 years ago
                Anonymous

                the articles has a picture of a russian ration producing over 1 sievert, moron.

              • 2 years ago
                Anonymous

                [...]

                >"CNN saw a Russian military ration box that exhibited radiation levels 50 times above naturally occurring values."
                50 times 0.1 µSv/his 5 µSv/h
                An intercontinental flight ranges from 10 to 30 µSv/h

                If you wanted the confirmation people on this thread are an absolute waste of oxygen, you got it.

              • 2 years ago
                Anonymous

                We know you're not blind because you're posting, there's a pic, the description is a mathematical understatement

              • 2 years ago
                Anonymous

                Unless something goes horribly wrong, you keep your skin on during the flight, and your organs covered.
                So what happens when those alpha emitters get into someone's gut or stomach? 😉

                >If you wanted the confirmation people on this thread are an absolute waste of oxygen, you got it.
                The irony of you saying that after that dumbass comment. :^)

              • 2 years ago
                Anonymous

                >So what happens when those alpha emitters get into someone's gut or stomach? 😉
                5 µSv/h doesn't turn into a 5 Sv deadly dose of radiation because "you eat it", that's not how physics work and maybe you should just stop posting anything related to nuclear physics or physics in general.
                Regular geiger counters measure gamma anyway, not alpha.

              • 2 years ago
                Anonymous

                neutron weighting absolutely can when it's ingested you fricking mongoloid. This is fricking sad, there's people in here defending digging in the red forest, stealing cobalt samples, and eating rations that click like Predator on meth.

              • 2 years ago
                Anonymous

                >neutron weighting
                What?
                What does it have to do with neutrons now? They aren't even stopped by the skin so there's no practical difference between eating and not eating a neutron source apart that it'll follow you around.

              • 2 years ago
                Anonymous

                unless you eat a ration that's visibly producing over 1,000 milisieverts, then it's pretty fricking serious

              • 2 years ago
                Anonymous

                Wrong I can see it's Sv, so that's 1000 Sv of pure ionizing radiation in that Russian green box.

              • 2 years ago
                Anonymous

                unless you eat a ration that's visibly producing over 1,000 milisieverts, then it's pretty fricking serious

                and obviously neutron weighting increases absorbed does with a exponential increase by unit of distance, it being inside you is a *big* deal, talk about it following you around

              • 2 years ago
                Anonymous

                If I take on some weight, will it make the izotopes inside of me more radioactive then?

              • 2 years ago
                Anonymous

                are you fricking high or just out of ammo?

              • 2 years ago
                Anonymous

                No man since I too read the 153 megaSieverts on the picture, I'm convinced Russians ate a deadly dose of heavy neutronium.

              • 2 years ago
                Anonymous

                >So what happens when those alpha emitters get into someone's gut or stomach? 😉
                5 µSv/h doesn't turn into a 5 Sv deadly dose of radiation because "you eat it", that's not how physics work and maybe you should just stop posting anything related to nuclear physics or physics in general.
                Regular geiger counters measure gamma anyway, not alpha.

                also it's milisieverts, not nanosieverts you disingenous drunken monkey, both for background radiation and for the counter displayed in the article pic

              • 2 years ago
                Anonymous

                > it's milisieverts, not nanosieverts

                How are you this stupid? Look up what a lower case mu stands for in SI measurements.

              • 2 years ago
                Anonymous

                background radiation is measured in milisieverts, not micro, moron, i know what mu stands for

              • 2 years ago
                Anonymous

                Oh, boy. You really are moronic.

                > The lowercase letter mu (μ) is used as a special symbol in many academic fields…. the SI prefix micro-, which represents one millionth, or 10−6.

                Plus yearly background radiation is typically measured in milisieverts. Hourly is measured in microsieverts. There’s a couple magnitudes of difference between them, hence the difference in time elapsed.

                It’s funny how confident you are even though you are completely wrong.

              • 2 years ago
                Anonymous

                >over 1 sievert
                >"levels 50 times above naturally occurring values."
                That's either the Polish internet brigade getting drunk, or some elaborate vatnik derailment.

              • 2 years ago
                Anonymous

                [...]
                >"CNN saw a Russian military ration box that exhibited radiation levels 50 times above naturally occurring values."
                50 times 0.1 µSv/his 5 µSv/h
                An intercontinental flight ranges from 10 to 30 µSv/h

                If you wanted the confirmation people on this thread are an absolute waste of oxygen, you got it.

                background radiation at large can exceed 50, don't fricking lie now, again.

              • 2 years ago
                Anonymous

                >pic shows 1.5 sievert
                >CNN article author isn't competent
                >WOWZERS LOOK AT HOW LOW THE MATH I MADE UP BASED ON LOWER THAN BACKGROUND RADS MAKES IT

              • 2 years ago
                Anonymous

                >NO NO NO, THE TROOPS WEREN'T TRANSPORTED TO A RADIOLOGICAL HOSPITAL IN BELARUS.
                >THE PHOTOS AND GEOLOCATION ISN'T OF PROOFS. HATO LIE.

              • 2 years ago
                Anonymous

                We've only seen soldiers being transported somewhere in buses, the rest is still unconfirmed to this day.
                Soldiers transported to a hospital is not really uncommon during wartime.

              • 2 years ago
                Anonymous

                >Soldiers transported to a hospital is not really uncommon during wartime.
                It is when that hospital is a radiological hospital.

                https://i.imgur.com/Xh5uBBn.jpg

                ,

                https://i.imgur.com/aOgqIsv.jpg

              • 2 years ago
                Anonymous

                Nuclear medicine doesn't mean it's specialized in treating radiation induced diseases or ARS holy frick. Do you even know what nuclear medicine is?
                https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nuclear_medicine
                https://www.nibib.nih.gov/science-education/science-topics/nuclear-medicine
                They have a website where you can see they're just a regular hospital specialized in using nuclear tech and radiation to diagnose and treat diseases.
                https://www.rcrm.by/
                You can click on every item to see the definition they give.
                for "radiation diagnostics" this is what they say:

                "The Department of Radiation Diagnostics is organized to conduct X-ray diagnostic studies for patients based on modern technologies. The department is equipped with modern high-tech equipment that allows for a wide range of introscopic diagnostics. The department employs highly qualified specialists, radiologists who have undergone an internship in computed and magnetic resonance imaging at the university clinic in Akita (Japan) and courses in magnetic resonance imaging in the city of Riga (Latvia)."

                So I suspect they're not even specialized in nuclear medicine but just radiology in general.
                Imagine basing all of the story on visegrad24 and your lack of knowledge in both medicine and nuclear physics in general.

              • 2 years ago
                Anonymous

                Black person, did you even read the website?

                >The purpose of the Center is to preserve and improve the health of people exposed to multicomponent and prolonged exposure to ionizing radiation due to the Chernobyl disaster, other negative environmental factors of anthropogenic and man-made origin, by implementing scientifically based measures to reduce direct and indirect losses of society by reducing the incidence and mortality.
                https://www.rcrm.by/center.html

              • 2 years ago
                Anonymous

                lmfao these motherfrickers *never* actually read the shit they link

              • 2 years ago
                Anonymous

                lmfao these motherfrickers *never* actually read the shit they link

                That's for the human ecology part moron. Again, if only you knew anything about what you're dealing with.
                https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/0013935170900587
                read the complete article on sci-hub using the Digital Object Identifier (the doi.org you see), PrepHole doesn't want me to post links to sci-hub.

                Now read the second part and realize they're here to diagnose and treat diseases these people suffer from, whether it's linked to radiation or not, and the biggest issue being cancer diagnostic and treatment, hence why they're specialized in RADIOLOGY and NUCLEAR MEDICINE to diagnose and treat, like we use RADIOLOGY and NUCLEAR MEDICINE to diagnose treat your regular cancer.

              • 2 years ago
                Anonymous

                Holy cope. It states treatment, and diagnosis of affected persons.

                >Under these conditions, it became necessary to create a new type of medical institutions, designed to carry out not only organizational and methodological work, but also provide advisory and medical diagnostic assistance to the affected population. In the Gomel region, this function was entrusted to the regional dispensary of radiation medicine, which began functioning on September 10, 1990. However, the technical capabilities of the dispensary, which allowed only diagnosing diseases at the prehospital stage and counseling patients, did not provide full medical care to the victims of the Chernobyl accident.

                >but also provide advisory and medical diagnostic assistance to the affected population.

              • 2 years ago
                Anonymous

                A hospital specialized in treating diseases and ailments typically found in the area it is located is the definition of human ecology. I knew you'd never read the article but you're just confirming my doubts.
                Does it mean they got ARS? Does it mean anyone died?
                Does it invalidate the fact that the overwhelming majority of departments contained within the hospital have nothing to do with radiation-induced diseases in any single way? Do you even know what kind of disease people exposed to the 1986 accident (you know, when radiation was an actual problem) suffer from? Usually cancer, birth defects for kids, radiation-induced skin ailments, joints and bones inflammation, metabolic problems, etc. Not radiation poisoning.
                Maybe they got some ultra fast spreading cancer that can develop in less than a month, since apparently people seem to believe you can get ARS after sitting in 10 µSv/h dust for a month.
                I can't even find info on anyone visiting the zone and diagnosed with ARS in the past 20 years so obviously the hospital isn't meant to threat this.

              • 2 years ago
                Anonymous

                >A hospital specialized in treating diseases and ailments typically found in the area it is located
                Yeah, like radiation sickness from Chernobyl. Literally why it was created. Not because of grandma's gout, and arthritis. Holy shit, are you really trying to gaslight this hard?

              • 2 years ago
                Anonymous

                ARS doesn't last 36 years, sorry to break your dream. People don't suffer from radiation sickness anymore, only the consequences of radiation exposure almost four decades ago, which has nothing to do with ARS.

              • 2 years ago
                Anonymous

                >Does it invalidate the fact that the overwhelming majority of departments contained within the hospital have nothing to do with radiation-induced diseases in any single way?
                No, and those department don't negate the fact that it specializes in radiation affects from Chernobyl. Add this to the fact the soldiers were trenching 5ft into the red forest, while burning wood there and staying for 1 month straight with zero radiological PPE, it's safe to assume that is the reason they were taken there.
                >Do you even know what kind of disease people exposed to the 1986 accident (you know, when radiation was an actual problem) suffer from? Usually cancer, birth defects for kids, radiation-induced skin ailments, joints and bones inflammation, metabolic problems, etc. Not radiation poisoning.
                Then what better place to take soldiers who have been digging into, burn wood from, and living in the red forest for a month straight with zero protection. They would have extensive experience needed to diagnose and treat the exposed soldiers, no? Seems perfect, really. Why else were they there?

              • 2 years ago
                Anonymous

                >b-but if you stay there nothing will happen
                Yeah I guess breathing and ingesting contaminated particles digging trenches in the soil and starting fires that disperse said contaminated particles in the air that you will breath and ingest for weeks won't harm anyone.
                You know vatBlack folk are trying to derail this thread because it exposes them as morons

              • 2 years ago
                Anonymous

                Guesswork and speculation based on what you saw from HBO's Chernobyl is not a proof.
                >b...b..but the vatBlack folk!
                How to spot argumentless tourists on /k/.

              • 2 years ago
                Anonymous

                >digging and starting fires releases contaminated particles that were in the soil
                >ingesting and breathing contaminated particles are proven to cause radiation poisoning
                >Guesswork and speculation
                of course, vatBlack folk don't exist, just don't read the posts above which are clearly changing the subject and repost cum/chug/ging topics

              • 2 years ago
                Anonymous

                ingesting and breathing causes bioaccumulation and generally thyroid cancer, yes, not ARS.
                Just drop it.
                >of course, vatBlack folk don't exist
                Sarcasm won't help with that line.

              • 2 years ago
                Anonymous

                the articles has a picture of a russian ration producing over 1 sievert, moron.

              • 2 years ago
                Anonymous

                JUST DROP IT OK!!!

              • 2 years ago
                Anonymous

                look all I can say is I am so fricking glad I wasn't a soldier told to dig up dirt next to the biggest nuclear disaster.

              • 2 years ago
                Anonymous

                oh you're also mega moronic, the red forest was the radioactive material that was buried, it wasn't some other waste they randomly buried in the woods for no good reason. Although russian *DO* just leave radioactive material laying around for people to find.

              • 2 years ago
                Anonymous

                Wastes sites aren't that radioactive either, tons of people visit vehicle graveyards in the area with counters that don't go beyond one or two mSv/h. Radiation that completely dies down as you take a step or two from the source.

              • 2 years ago
                Anonymous

                https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lia_radiological_accident
                no i meant it, they just leave shit laying around

              • 2 years ago
                Anonymous

                >He's comparing morons opening up the plutonium source of an active radioisotope thermoelectric generator with some weakly radioactive waste from 36 years ago.

              • 2 years ago
                Anonymous

                there is also the samples lab
                well there was one

              • 2 years ago
                Anonymous

                go ahead put your hand in acid don't worry it's room temperature so it won't burn

              • 2 years ago
                Anonymous

                https://i.imgur.com/BKYlE74.jpg

                [...]
                g-b

                >/k/ is le reddit
                >proceeds to post reddit screencaps
                >accuse others of what you're doing
                classic vatBlack person

            • 2 years ago
              Anonymous

              >I mean if you lived there for a year, you'd definitely increase your cancer risk
              Lol, not even.
              Pilots get exposed to such radiation levels, sometimes even higher on a daily basis, yet no study ever showed any elevated cancer risk among pilots compared to the rest of the population.
              There's a grey zone in which we're still unsure if elevated but still "safe" radiation levels are harmful for man; some models even speculating they could be beneficial by nuking spontaneous mutations within the DNA without damaging it too much.

              • 2 years ago
                Anonymous

                Now the russian shills are literally trying to tell you that hanging out in the red forest could be *HEALTHY* ffs

              • 2 years ago
                Anonymous

                >what is the the linear no-threshold (LNT) model of ionizing radiation–induced cancer
                Don't talk about a subject you barely understand, anon. Radiation does not behave like in fallout or STALKER.

              • 2 years ago
                Anonymous

                "Hormesis has been observed in a number of cases in humans and animals exposed to chronic low doses of ionizing radiation. A-bomb survivors who received high doses exhibited shortened lifespan and increased cancer mortality, but at low doses, the ratios of cancer deaths in A-bomb survivors are smaller than those of Japanese averages."
                From the article "Low-dose radiation from A-bombs elongated lifespan and reduced cancer mortality relative to un-irradiated individuals"

                You can also read "Radiation Hormesis and the Linear-No-Threshold Assumption" from Charles L. Sanders, available on libgen that gives other observed large scale example of low exposure leading to significantly lower cancer rates among exposed individuals.

                Can't post the links because PrepHole rejects them.
                Don't thank me.

              • 2 years ago
                Anonymous

                Basically the ox cart of shit parable happening in real time.

              • 2 years ago
                Anonymous

                Go watch your gay Chernobyl miniseries again you homosexual. Radiation is a nothingburger so long you don’t touch or get exposed to the fuel or the graphite rods. It’s been like 40 years, most of the radioactive isotopes have decayed to harmless levels. You could literally shovel handfuls of dirt into your mouth and be fine.

                Youre unironically more at risk of developing a deadly disease while being be a fat obese moron than some dude chilling in a ditch in Chernobyl.

              • 2 years ago
                Anonymous

                the red forest is full of graphite rods and fuel fragments, you know that right
                they were digging into the layer containing the graphite rods and fuel fragments

              • 2 years ago
                Anonymous

                No it does not you homosexual. It just contains the remains of radioactive trees, whose radiation is by now harmless.

                You duckers are just making shit up.

              • 2 years ago
                Anonymous

                When the reactor blew the fallout contained graphite.

                >Furthermore, the Telegram message stated that following the 1986 Chernobyl nuclear disaster, another cause of internal irradiation is Alpha contamination which has been generated as a consequence of fragments of irradiated nuclear fuel, graphite masonry strewn across this portion of the Red Forest. It went on to say, 'These fragments are now located at a depth of 40-80 centimeters, while the occupiers dug deeper. When inside the human body, this type of radiation has an effect tens and hundreds of times more powerful than that from gamma and beta radiation."
                https://www.republicworld.com/amp/world-news/russia-ukraine-crisis/chernobyls-red-forest-where-russians-dug-ditches-shows-abnormally-high-radiation-articleshow.html

              • 2 years ago
                Anonymous

                "telegram message"
                facebook messages next?
                >this type of radiation has an effect tens and hundreds of times more powerful than that from gamma and beta radiation.
                Article written by a moron. 11 µSv is 11 µSv. Sievert is already the measurement of absorbed ionizing radiation.11 µSv of alpha is strictly equivalent to 11 µSv of gamma or 11 µSv of beta.
                The difference is you need less alpha particles to reach a specific dose than beta particles or photons. What your counter tells you is what matters in the end.

              • 2 years ago
                Anonymous

                Why ommit, "when inside the body"?
                The gray (Gy) is the only actual physical dose ! 1 Gy = 1J/Kg
                But the effect of the radiation dose on the body changes with the radiation type. Beta and Gamma are quite equivalent but Alpha is much more dangerous.
                So we use the equivalent dose to consider the danger of different radaitions.
                For instance, 1 Gy (1 J/kg) of Alpha is 20 time more dangerous than 1 Gy of gamma.
                So 1 J/kg (physical unit) of Gamma absorbed dose corresponds to 1 Sv of equivalent dose
                and
                1 J/kg (physical unit ) of Alpha absorbed dose corresponds to 20 Sv of equivalent dose!
                Now the different tissues of the body arer differently sensitive to radiations
                So we use the effective dose to consider the effect of a radiation on organs.
                The ovaries are 20 times more sensitive than the skin.
                For calculation:
                Absorbed dose: D (Gy)
                Equivalent dose : H : Wr . D (Sv)
                Effective dose: E = Wr . Wt . D (Sv)
                For simplicity, the sum of all Wt = 1
                So 1 Gy of Gamma on the skin (Wr = 1, Wt = 0.01) gives 1 Sv of equivalent dose and 0.01 Sv of Effective dose.
                But 1 Gy of alpha on the avaries (Wr = 20, Wt = 0.20) gives 4 Sv of effective dose, 400 times more risky than gamma on the skin (the previous case).

          • 2 years ago
            Anonymous

            >CNN

            • 2 years ago
              Anonymous

              1 billion times more credible than RT

        • 2 years ago
          Anonymous

          >Say what you will about the commie morons but they knew they couldn’t let the area around Chernobyl be a nuclear hellhole so stripped the radioactive top soil in the area after the accident
          that was the soviet union with ukrainians running the smartypants departments, anon

        • 2 years ago
          Anonymous

          >being this bad at false flagging
          Just stop already. You and your ilk have long surpassed embarrassing, you are into disgraceful territory. Embarrassing at best, damaging at worst.

        • 2 years ago
          Anonymous

          Soil was just turned upside down.

        • 2 years ago
          Anonymous

          >commie morons
          Is this a literal case of takes on to know one I'm seeing here?

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      Not in the Red Forest after disturbing the soil, fricktard.

      • 2 years ago
        Anonymous

        They’re fine you fricking melodramatic redditor.

        • 2 years ago
          Anonymous

          >redditor
          rent free

      • 2 years ago
        Anonymous

        Nowhere in the zone is radiation high enough to cause even radiation sickness let alone death.
        It can "only" significantly increase chance of you getting cancer over period or next 20 years.
        Just using masks when digging that shit up would be enough to protect you tho people don't use masks even for rona so I doubt they used them when digging trenches around 'nobyl.

        • 2 years ago
          Anonymous

          on the surface, yes
          not once you've dug a trench in the red forest and slept in it

      • 2 years ago
        Anonymous

        >expecting Russia to ever admit to their incompetence
        Lol. Lmao even.

        Nuclear experts came forward and called it absolute bullshit, there's no way to get a lethal dose in a week in the Chernobyl area even if you "dig up trenches".
        The hottest spots are small fragments of metal scattered around the place. And radiation following an inverse square root law, just step back a few meters and radiation becomes a non-problem. Unless they all decided to sniff crushed corium from the reactor's destroyed core or lick all night clothes from the Pripyat hospital basement.

        • 2 years ago
          Anonymous

          I mean if you lived there for a year, you'd definitely increase your cancer risk, but it's not gonna stop an army after 5 weeks.

          You could live in Chernobyl exclusion zone for years and be fine.

          It just really depends on what you do. Walking around etc is fine. There only localised dangers. Like areas with high sedimentation.
          What happend probably is that they went to plunder the Maschine yard. Or just speak shelter there. There are dozers, trucks, cranes etc that were used to collect and shovel back the graphite and rods back in to reactors. You can even find pictures of one the death claws that went into the burning core online. It no good to make your camp in a garage full of that.

          The second thing that probably happened is they found the locked safes. Thought hey what ever is inside, it must be valuable to be in a safe! Let's steal it! Steal a bronze looking calibration source because bronze looks like gold. Carry that c60 handwarmer back to your trench.

          • 2 years ago
            Anonymous

            German detected

        • 2 years ago
          Anonymous

          >there's no way to get a lethal dose in a week in the Chernobyl area even if you "dig up trenches".
          Depends on the way you do it.
          What generates the most dangerous radiation are alpha emitters.
          They are warded off by a thin piece of paper. Literally wearing the mask and clothes helps.
          The issue is however, if you start disturbing the soil and breathe in those alpha particles with air.
          The problem is not that you won't get lethal dose. No. You will get the alpha emitters in your lungs that will keep giving you radiation as long as they are still in your lungs which will be impossible to remove.
          And if you breathe in enough of radioactive dust it just stays in your body so every day wherever you are you are getting irradiated.
          And knowing moronism of russians this is how it happened

        • 2 years ago
          Anonymous

          The guys who got melted was the morons who stole the cobalt 60 source and thought it was a silver coin IIRC.
          It ended up not being the dirt but the moron playing with the shiny coin that made funny sparkles on his cellphone cam and everyone near him.

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      Well these fricking idiots stayed there for four weeks and managed give themselves fatal radiation poisoning.

      the radioactive stuff didnt play a major role in the conflict. it sent what? a company of guys into the hopital in belarus?
      whats more important and i was there a few years ago, is that the road from kiev to chernobyl is bad and the roads in the exclusion zone are disastrous. i dont know what they were thinking they could supply that many people there

      >the radioactive stuff didnt play a major role in the conflict. it sent what? a company of guys into the hopital in belarus?

      A lot of their gear would be contaminated too seeing that they kicked up so much dust that it actually raised the general level of radiation in the Exclusion Zone. Maybe not enough to give you an instant case of ARS, but enough to give you cancer in a decade or two.

      • 2 years ago
        Anonymous

        > Well these fricking idiots stayed there for four weeks and managed give themselves fatal radiation poisoning.

        That’s for proving you are a moron

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      This depends whether you are digging trenches in places that weren't fully cleaned out or not

  2. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    >still not a single shred of proof that a russian soldier died from radiation

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      >expecting Russia to ever admit to their incompetence
      Lol. Lmao even.

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      I mean if Russia denies it happens. That's like guaranteed proof it did in fact happen.

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      Duhh. It was the snorks that thinned their numbers

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      [...]
      Nuclear experts came forward and called it absolute bullshit, there's no way to get a lethal dose in a week in the Chernobyl area even if you "dig up trenches".
      The hottest spots are small fragments of metal scattered around the place. And radiation following an inverse square root law, just step back a few meters and radiation becomes a non-problem. Unless they all decided to sniff crushed corium from the reactor's destroyed core or lick all night clothes from the Pripyat hospital basement.

      Well, we have video of people inspecting Russian trenches with Russian artifacts in them in the Red Forest, with geiger counters recording significant radiation.
      Now, granted that's not -definitive- proof, but it's pretty strong evidence that Russian soldiers were there in a region with strong and dangerous radiation. So unless they were digging those trenches in lead lined protective gear, we can assume that at least some of them got seriously. Do you have any proof they were wearing lead lined protective gear?
      I don't know why I bother really, because you're clearly a pathologically dishonest troll and this is bait and you will never do anything other than disingenuously ask for ever increasing standards of proof. I could literally take you, personally you, to a hospital with a Russian soldier shitting his guts out and watch him say to you that yes, he's a Russia soldier and yes he dug those trenches and you'd still find some way to try and pretend it wasn't. Probably by claiming he has dysentery or something.

      • 2 years ago
        Anonymous

        Hundreds of µSv/h may be signficant compared to background, but you'd still need 30 000 hours of exposure, or 3 and a half years to reach lethal levels.
        I don't remember exactly how much it was but it wasn't more than a mSv/h, which would still take over 4 months at that rate. Again if we forget for a second that doses don't add up to a lethal dose over long periods of time.

      • 2 years ago
        Anonymous

        >inspecting Russian trenches

        [...]
        Nuclear experts came forward and called it absolute bullshit, there's no way to get a lethal dose in a week in the Chernobyl area even if you "dig up trenches".
        The hottest spots are small fragments of metal scattered around the place. And radiation following an inverse square root law, just step back a few meters and radiation becomes a non-problem. Unless they all decided to sniff crushed corium from the reactor's destroyed core or lick all night clothes from the Pripyat hospital basement.

        What did they say and just link it. Plus the shill is trying to derail since he can't prove his point.
        So why is there an influx of this fanfiction now?

        https://i.imgur.com/Mr53I8T.jpg

        Well, it's safe to say that the shortcut to Kiev through the Exclusion Zone didn't exactly pan out as hoped, but I'm wondering how much of a material impact did it have on the offensive?

        Last time I heard, a few hundred Russian troops who had previously camped out in the Red Forest came down with radiation sickness that was severe enough to warrant evacuation and a few had died. I'm gonna guess that's a severe underestimation though, seeing as Chernobyl was one of the main routes for the Invasion and thousands of Russian troops passed through there without protective equipment. This isn't even getting into how much of their gear from rations to tanks, is now dangerously radioactive or whether they're bothering to get rid of said contaminated equipment.

        I'm going to guess that the role that Chernobyl played in the initial Russian failures in Ukraine is significantly understated.

        What do you guys think though?

        Is this the new fanfiction some ukies made up after HIMAR-ing the pow camp?

        https://i.imgur.com/dWxejU0.png

        Anon, I have some bad news. They dug down to where they buried the radioactive soil.

        >trash on the side of the road

        • 2 years ago
          Anonymous

          >What did they say and just link it.
          It was linked in another post. Basically that there's no place in the zone, even underground, with enough radiation to cause ARS, which is by definition a short but extremely intense radiation exposure causing your metabolism to get fricked.
          The best they'll get by eating and drinking food laden with radioactive dust is an increased cancer risk.
          The guy handling a Cobalt-60 source and getting sick is perfectly credible, such accidents happen in the civilian world too when thirdies scrap medical equipment and try to open the small heavy cylinders filled with magic blue powder.

          • 2 years ago
            Anonymous

            >no place in the zone, even underground, with enough radiation to cause ARS
            I see I'll look for it

            You dumb fricking Black person, 1 microsivert is a yearly dose. That's indicating 12 times that PER HOUR. On some random vatBlack person rations aka shit you carry with you. Carry it for a week and you get close to LD50 for an adult human.

            You know, the amount that kills 50% of adult humans within a month.
            (Of course you don't know because you're a mongoloid brainlet but hey)

            good bait this post was though

          • 2 years ago
            Anonymous

            The Russians were on a stealing spree and looted monitoring labs with hot isotopes. There's your Goiana

            https://www.science.org/content/article/dirty-bomb-ingredients-go-missing-chornobyl-monitoring-lab

            • 2 years ago
              Anonymous

              A few soldiers getting sick from orphan sources is absolutely possible.
              But that story about a hundred guys who started glowing because they dug holes in the red forest, with a picture of a ration showing 11 µSv/h as a "proof" is nothing but a smoothbrain moment.

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      The idiots dug trenches and burned radioactive wood

      • 2 years ago
        Anonymous

        That’s not enough to make them acutely sick you dipshit.

  3. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    It didn't play any role whatsoever and it there was some radiation poisoning you'll only see consequences like 15 years from now with increase in cancer rates among participating units so like from those burn pits everyone is talking about now.

  4. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    the radioactive stuff didnt play a major role in the conflict. it sent what? a company of guys into the hopital in belarus?
    whats more important and i was there a few years ago, is that the road from kiev to chernobyl is bad and the roads in the exclusion zone are disastrous. i dont know what they were thinking they could supply that many people there

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      It was at least 9 busses

  5. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    The biggest failure was straight up dashing around Sumy and Chereniv. The Russians had some of their most elite armored divisions get absolutely thrashed and as a result they never managed to surround the capital.

  6. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    Most parts of the zone aren't that radioactive especially if you're passing through as a visitor. Hundreds of workers still monitor and maintain the power plant. If you lived in certain parts, ingesting and inhaling particles over the course of yesrs or decades, you'd absorb a lot of more dangerous levels of radiation.

  7. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    Doesn’t their doctrine assume operation in a radiation hazard? How did they frick up this badly, they should have had the proper equipment.

  8. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    >there is no radiation damage to the soldiers of Russian Federation

    Everytime

  9. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    >This isn't even getting into how much of their gear from rations to tanks, is now dangerously radioactive
    That's not how radiation works. It's like light, it doesn't get absorbed into materials.
    You could cook a meal on the Chernobyl's elephant foot and it would be safe to eat if you manage to get it out of there.

    The equipment could get contaminated with radioactive fallout, though.

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      >what is neutron activation ?
      Metals especially turn into their unstable radioactive isotopes when bombarded with neutrons.
      This is a non problem with the extremely low ambient radiation in the area, though.

      • 2 years ago
        Anonymous

        This is the only homie in the thread who understands anything about ionizing radiation.

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      >It's like light, it doesn't get absorbed into materials.
      Radiation itself is, but what about the radioactive particles?

  10. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    >they believe in the baseless tweets that were quickly swiped under the rug when US experts came forward and said there's no conceivable way to get a deadly radiation by staying in the red forest.
    Of course these moronic threads pop up when it's morning in Europe. I wonder how much you're paid for this, poolacks.

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      >when US experts came forward and said there's no conceivable way to get a deadly radiation by staying in the red forest.

      Post one then. Because every nuclear expert has said what Russians did there was unbelievably moronic.

      • 2 years ago
        Anonymous

        You are unbelievably moronic.

      • 2 years ago
        Anonymous

        >"every nuclear expert"
        >posts none
        >proceeds to ask for a source
        Do you have Russian blood?

        • 2 years ago
          Anonymous

          How about every nuclear scientist who was working at Chernobyl while the Russians were there, you stupid Black person? Post a fricking source to the stupid claim you made.

          • 2 years ago
            Anonymous

            Saying that digging holes in a radioactive area is stupid certainly doesn't prove any of them received a lethal dose or even could have.
            You seem to have a serious problem with basic logic.

      • 2 years ago
        Anonymous

        >every nuclear expert
        Why would you lie ? It's the complete opposite, they called out the bullshit on this story.
        https://twitter.com/ELINTNews/status/1509571596440281092
        Here's one who made a thread on it: https://twitter.com/CherylRofer/status/1509328182331248649

  11. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    digging in the red forest and soldiers getting sick from radiation was certainly one reason for hasty withdrawal

  12. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    >whole thread is people downplaying the radiation and calling anyone who disagrees reddit
    lol, lmao even

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      Most of us use both sites, I’m not sure how that’s an insult nowadays

      • 2 years ago
        Anonymous

        speak for yourself, reddit is dogshit

      • 2 years ago
        Anonymous

        The only thing worth going on reddit for is pregnant porn and laughing at assblasted liberals who can't handle the thought of Anne Frank being pregnant instead of being brutally murdered. The site otherwise has basically no redeeming qualities.

      • 2 years ago
        Anonymous

        No we don't so yeah frick you bro. Reddit will fry you and make you believe all kind of moronic shit just because it got upboated by millions or uneducated no-ones driven by their internal emotions, feels and biased perspectives. It's ultimate dictatorship of mediocrity.

        • 2 years ago
          Anonymous

          wow you just described /misc/ though

      • 2 years ago
        Anonymous

        Wrong, Black person, go back and tell your discord friends to stay out.

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      Just people trying to be realistic vs reddit readers.
      OP asked did Chernobyl radiation have any influence on the war. No it did not, whatever bad happened there will only manifest itself 10 years and up after now.
      You can't get radiation burns in the zone, you can't get radiation sickness no matter what reddit tells you.

      • 2 years ago
        Anonymous

        You can tho. Red forest is called that because it was on the way of radioactive cloud. Particles settled on trees, radiation killed those trees and decomposed chlorophyll, and they became red. Then those trees were buried and the new forest was planted on top, but the original forest isn't deep. Just ~2m, and russian trenches are more or less 2m deep.

        • 2 years ago
          Anonymous

          It's been 36 years.
          There is nothing there that is potent enough, all the potent shit has decayed long ago.

          • 2 years ago
            Anonymous

            That’s simply not true. There’s a reason many of the buried trees have yet to decompose. It is still a very badly poisoned place. I’ll tell you though what really happened. It was cold. The Russians dug down and found the buried pines. They had not rotted for whatever reason, the ominous implications of this lost on a bunch of illiterate churka conscripts. So they used them as firewood. It wasn’t fast enough to hurt anyone immediately of course. A week, or a month of these conditions though? It explains why it took a little bit for the reports of radiation sickness to come through.

            • 2 years ago
              Anonymous

              apparently, decaying is very slow in Tchernobyl because the radiation disturb the mushrooms and bacterias

              >That’s simply not true. There’s a reason many of the buried trees have yet to decompose.
              >apparently, decaying is very slow in Tchernobyl because the radiation disturb the mushrooms and bacterias
              What the frick did I just read? Do you guys even know what radiation is? Like any slight idea?
              Between these two and the guy on the other thread saying nuclear decay is a chemical reaction.
              What has /k/ become since February? Where are we headed?

              • 2 years ago
                Anonymous

                moron, they're talking about the radiation killing the bacteria and fungi that would cause the wood in the red forest to decompose, and thus all the poisoned wood in the red forest is still intact (but buried)

              • 2 years ago
                Anonymous

                The wood is not "poisoned" anymore because isotopes decay and disappear overtime, no one fricking cares about decomposition of wood, radiation is not like cyanide sitting in a jar ready to be opened one day.

              • 2 years ago
                Anonymous

                half lives of about 30 years means that a quarter of the radioactivity is still around, and there was more than quadruple the dose necessary to sterilize the area

              • 2 years ago
                Anonymous

                Only caesium-137 and strontium-90 have such long half-lives. The vast majority of isotopes accumulated in wood 36 years ago decayed long ago.

          • 2 years ago
            Anonymous

            apparently, decaying is very slow in Tchernobyl because the radiation disturb the mushrooms and bacterias

        • 2 years ago
          Anonymous
          • 2 years ago
            Anonymous
            • 2 years ago
              Anonymous

              Where they trenched at.

              • 2 years ago
                Anonymous
              • 2 years ago
                Anonymous

                Radiation levels where they were.

              • 2 years ago
                Anonymous

                800mSv on the surface.

              • 2 years ago
                Anonymous

                No wonder the russians got cooked.

              • 2 years ago
                Anonymous

                I wonder why we don't use a single fricking unit for radiation, Bequerel, Röntgen, Sievert, is there a point to that?

              • 2 years ago
                Anonymous

                >Bequerel, Röntgen, Sievert
                Becquerel is total radiation decay/sec. Sievert is only measuring radiation that affects human health.

              • 2 years ago
                Anonymous

                Their trenches.

              • 2 years ago
                Anonymous

                there's some .gov site with radiological accidents report, I learned most stuff from there, crazy shit happens like guy getting stuck into medial sterilizer and all kind of final destination tier accidents. Try finding it it's days worth of reading material.

              • 2 years ago
                Anonymous

                Hm I just remembered I have an old geigercounter lying around somewhere which never worked (displayed the wrong radiation, too low or high), maybe I should get rid of that
                (old Ukrainian model) I never thought about where the device was used before

              • 2 years ago
                Anonymous

                Anyone know something about this model?
                At least the manual was in Ukrainian (I asked a Russian to translate if for me years ago), sadly I don't have it anymore

                https://www-pub.iaea.org/MTCD/Publications/PDF/Pub1710-ReportByTheDG-Web.pdf
                Read this and you'll become expert compared to rest of /k/ morons.
                It's Fukushima reports but also covers basics like units, exposure limits etc. You'll also never fall for another reddit frontpage drama involving radioactivity.

                Thanks, I'll look into that, looks interesting

              • 2 years ago
                Anonymous

                https://dosimeter.ucoz.ru/Dosimeter_Radiometer_Pripyat_RKS_20_03.pdf

                Knock yourself out.

              • 2 years ago
                Anonymous

                Nice, thank you. Sadly it doesn't show the correct radiation.

              • 2 years ago
                Anonymous

                Muller tubes probably went to shit from just existing.
                You can try and tweak the trimmer cap next to the buzzer and see if that helps

              • 2 years ago
                Anonymous

                inside

              • 2 years ago
                Anonymous

                Here's the Russian manual.
                https://usermanual.wiki/Document/rks2003manual.268770039/view

                Nothing really relevant in there tho

              • 2 years ago
                Anonymous

                Ah, mine wasn't this extensive, I had a circuit diagram though.
                Maybe it's really best if I trash that thing, although if it was produced in the 90s, there can't be that much radiation in there if it was cleaned or am I wrong?

                Muller tubes probably went to shit from just existing.
                You can try and tweak the trimmer cap next to the buzzer and see if that helps

                Yeah the sound isn't working as well. I don't know that much about electronics, I tried getting a replacement geiger-müller-tube but haven't found anything cheap.

              • 2 years ago
                Anonymous

                I love eastern block electronics. Their manufacturing always strikes me as somebodies basement botch-job hand assembled monstrosity from whatever they had laying around the garage floor.

                It's probably useless, and it if you really need a giger-counter, you can score a cheap one for ~100$ that passed at least some testing.
                But on the other hand this seems like a fun little novelty, a giger-counter from a country that experienced the worst nuclear disaster in the 20th century.
                If you want to get it running try finding a HAM near you that half-competent with a soldering iron, should be able to get it at least withing the ball park.
                It could be a neat conversation starter

              • 2 years ago
                Anonymous

                Yeah it has something to it.
                I made the mistake and bought this shortly after Fukushima, I think I paid 90 € for this kek
                The problem is that the sound would be fixable without much issues but the readouts aren't correct. I don't know if it's a chip in there or the geiger-müller-tube but fixing this will be much harder I reckon. Also letting someone fix this stuff in Germany might be much more expensive than 90 € so yeah either I'll just keep it or maybe resell it. I should've kept the manual though, the circuit diagram was cool

              • 2 years ago
                Anonymous

                These where standard issue to civilian "community leaders" in the east after the Chernobyl disaster to test food.

                I think the unit in your pic is missing the gamma shield over the tubes, that might be the source of the wonky measurements.

                The other thing that might be up, is that if it got a very large gamma dose the electronics could shit themselves. And honestly if this is the case, it's the coolest shit ever.

                There should a calibration mode somewhere on the thing, but frick i know how to find it

              • 2 years ago
                Anonymous

                Yeah I hope this thing wasn't used anywhere near Chernobyl but maybe they had better equipment even back then.
                I removed the shield for the picture.
                Hm might be worth looking into it, maybe I'll find something on that.
                But the plastic is already crumbling in places maybe the thing just disintegrates in the next few years kek

              • 2 years ago
                Anonymous

                They where manufactured in Pripyat Anon. Right after the incident.
                Soviet plastics are questionable at best. The white plastics tend to push out the polymers on their own and crumble. The grey version of the meter is a bit longer lasting

              • 2 years ago
                Anonymous

                kek yeah that's not very comforting. But as long as I don't snort the crumbling plastic and just store the device it has to be ok.

              • 2 years ago
                Anonymous

                >Scale on instrument for measuring radiation got fired
                >Very likely due to measuring values outside it's maximum range
                >Lets keep it around

              • 2 years ago
                Anonymous

                https://www-pub.iaea.org/MTCD/Publications/PDF/Pub1710-ReportByTheDG-Web.pdf
                Read this and you'll become expert compared to rest of /k/ morons.
                It's Fukushima reports but also covers basics like units, exposure limits etc. You'll also never fall for another reddit frontpage drama involving radioactivity.

              • 2 years ago
                Anonymous

                I don't remember Fukushima crews breathing in radiation particles from digging trenches. Nor do I remember them not getting proper PPE gear.

              • 2 years ago
                Anonymous

                >reddit
                Now go back cum /chug/ger.

              • 2 years ago
                Anonymous

                Cs137 has half life of what 30 years or so, those areas are now much safer then they where when power plant initially blew up. unless you inhale something nothing will happen to you let alone reddit fairy tales of people getting radiation burns and what not.

              • 2 years ago
                Anonymous

                >unless you inhale something
                What do you think digging these:

                Their trenches.

                will do to the fine particle topsoil around the site? What do you think burning wood from the red forest will do to you? Hint, it will go into your lungs. They couldn't feed, nor fuel their troops at that time, and you want me to believe they gave them proper radiological PPE? Pic related is the fricking first aid kits provided to vatnig troops. KYS, you moronic shitskin Serb. Also, go back to plebbit, we all know you homosexuals post there.

              • 2 years ago
                Anonymous
              • 2 years ago
                Anonymous

                they dont look at all like trenches

              • 2 years ago
                Anonymous

                They're these(see pic), and soldier dugouts.

              • 2 years ago
                Anonymous

                and what the frick is that? a kitchen? and i suppose the smaller one was a latrine?

              • 2 years ago
                Anonymous

                Stolen microwaves anon

              • 2 years ago
                Anonymous

                >and what the frick is that?
                Checked. It's called an anti-tank ditch. It protects the sides and rear of a vehicle from enemy tanks, and ATGMs. Those are just stolen microwaves, like the stolen refrigerators, and washing machines. Vatnigs are literal Black folk.

              • 2 years ago
                Anonymous

                Gee, I wonder why they'd kept microwaves and kettles next to a place they had to occupy for prolonged periods of time in winter?
                Could an abandoned ups lying literally next to these offer clues?
                Naah, let's just gobble the continuous stream of shit that ghostofkyivitter experts are shitting down your throats.

              • 2 years ago
                Anonymous

                Are you denying your vatnig saviors looted washing machines, stores, israeliteelry, macbooks, microwaves, and much more? Do you need me to post the evidence?

              • 2 years ago
                Anonymous

                Macbook

              • 2 years ago
                Anonymous
              • 2 years ago
                Anonymous

                Damn, modern era Kelly's heroes. I'm jelly of the loot.

              • 2 years ago
                Anonymous

                Is not stealing comrade
                Is special relocating operation

              • 2 years ago
                Anonymous

                >guy who can't go half a minute without turning the camera on his mug
                >literally "a guy told me"
                I bet you also believe all those staged tiktoks with teenagers pretending to prank each other for clout. Dunno why I bother with someone as gullible. I'll disregard the rest until I see a thumbnail with documents in it.

              • 2 years ago
                Anonymous

                What sort of evidence? Serial numbers corresponding with warranty sheets and proofs of purchase? Sounds good, go right ahead.
                While you're searching for those contemplate the logistics of moving a heavy-ass hunk of metal across a few thousand kilometers and the price a delivery company would ask for something of the size. Of all the ridiculous hoaxes from this war this one's the most persisting, I swear.

              • 2 years ago
                Anonymous

                Russians will eat an entire septic tank of shit not to admit the obvious

              • 2 years ago
                Anonymous

                >NO YOU HAVE TO BELIEVE ME!!!!!
                No, we have evidence of your vatnig saviors stealing shit.

                https://i.imgur.com/DfX2rMp.jpg

                Are you denying your vatnig saviors looted washing machines, stores, israeliteelry, macbooks, microwaves, and much more? Do you need me to post the evidence?

                Macbook

              • 2 years ago
                Anonymous

                >jewelry, macbooks
                yeah I guess, I would steal those too.
                Microwaves and washing machines tho, you would not believe what those are used for in the field. For preparing food and washing clothes. No one is taking microwave or washer to haul it back home but to use in the field. Stop consuming reddit and twitter, it'll literary fry your brain.

              • 2 years ago
                Anonymous

                >No one is taking microwave or washer to haul it back home but to use in the field. Stop consuming reddit and twitter, it'll literary fry your brain

              • 2 years ago
                Anonymous

                https://i.imgur.com/Qfpoii5.png

                >No one is taking microwave or washer to haul it back home but to use in the field. Stop consuming reddit and twitter, it'll literary fry your brain

                g-b

              • 2 years ago
                Anonymous

                damn, tried hitting upvote on that pic, have some serious muscle memory buildup.

              • 2 years ago
                Anonymous

                >I-IT ON PLEBBIT SO IT MUST BE PROPAGANDA!
                Holy cope, shitskin Serb.

                >guy who can't go half a minute without turning the camera on his mug
                >literally "a guy told me"
                I bet you also believe all those staged tiktoks with teenagers pretending to prank each other for clout. Dunno why I bother with someone as gullible. I'll disregard the rest until I see a thumbnail with documents in it.

                >MUH TIKTOK!!!
                Can you go 2 minutes without mentioning zoomer social media, SerbBlack person?

              • 2 years ago
                Anonymous
              • 2 years ago
                Anonymous

                Here's the museum's director testifying that Azov threw incendiaries at the museum.

                Afterwards there's an interview with an employee describing saving some of the artifacts
                >it's fake! faaaaaaaaaaaake!!!
                The same woman giving an interview 2 years ago: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FZZ7DzLgJ1E

              • 2 years ago
                Anonymous

                Of course it's not fake, it's yhe russian media report.
                >Ukrainian punishers ransacked the Mariupol Museum of Local History and set it on fire even before the DPR People's Militia approached.
                Oh those pesky azovites, not only they're killing ukrainian civillians, ukrainian soldiers and even ukrainian sailors, they're also razing doen ukrainian museums. Many such cases.

              • 2 years ago
                Anonymous

                >why would some of the ukrainian neonazis implanted in a city that nearly flipped to DPR back in 2014 in order to keep the population in check toss a few molotovs at a museum that highlights the Russian-ness of the city, while retreating and being btfo?
                It's a mystery, I know.

                >You better fricking tell the camera that Azog did this shit or your family will turn out to be Azog in the filtration camp, suka
                Highly reliable testimony, much obliged.

                You're welcome. It sure helps to hear this from the mouth of a person who's dedicated her life to preserving something, and even hid a part of the collection, to later reveal it and pass it on for safekeeping to those who will take care of it. As opposed to, you know, a random tweet from a twat god knows how many miles away.

                >Azov threw incendiaries at the museum.
                >No scorched wall, furniture, artifacts, nothing
                >Looks like it was bombed.
                >MUH AZOV NAWZEES DID IT
                Do you have anything that's not produced by the Russian military? Why would I assume she wasn't forced to make the statements after knowing Russia tortures POWs to produce propaganda for them?

                A forensics expert, professional analyst appears. Even though up until recently, much like most of your compatriots, you couldn't reliably find Ukraine on a map, you're now our foremost specialist, and your skills are highly valuable now. Perhaps next time you should learn Russian or maybe ask any of the Ukrainians whose wieners you're so fond of sucking to translate these testimonies for you. Maybe then you'd realize where you went wrong in your otherwise impeccable and unbiased analysis!

              • 2 years ago
                Anonymous

                >keeping the population in check by chucking molotovs at a museum
                I'm not even part of this conversation, but what the frick are you talking about?

              • 2 years ago
                Anonymous

                Firehood of falsehood in full operation.

                >why would some of the ukrainian neonazis implanted in a city that nearly flipped to DPR back in 2014 in order to keep the population in check toss a few molotovs at a museum that highlights the Russian-ness of the city, while retreating and being btfo?
                It's a mystery, I know.

                [...]
                You're welcome. It sure helps to hear this from the mouth of a person who's dedicated her life to preserving something, and even hid a part of the collection, to later reveal it and pass it on for safekeeping to those who will take care of it. As opposed to, you know, a random tweet from a twat god knows how many miles away.

                [...]
                A forensics expert, professional analyst appears. Even though up until recently, much like most of your compatriots, you couldn't reliably find Ukraine on a map, you're now our foremost specialist, and your skills are highly valuable now. Perhaps next time you should learn Russian or maybe ask any of the Ukrainians whose wieners you're so fond of sucking to translate these testimonies for you. Maybe then you'd realize where you went wrong in your otherwise impeccable and unbiased analysis!

                You're a westerner, right? You write like a bong anyway. I hope so. You do realise 5 eyes watches this website and your nordVPN most definitely will not keep them out of your shit. Better hope the war stays cold or you'll be immediately blackbagged and gitmoed.
                Yet another reason to hope for escalation for me though. :^)

              • 2 years ago
                Anonymous

                You are indeed out of the loop. By over 8 years, in fact. But, since you're a spoonfeed-me type, I'll start a bit earlier.
                >late XVIII century
                >Mariupol is founded by the Russian empire which has conquered the territory from the turks.
                >located a day's worth of sailing away from other Russian cities like Rostov-on-Don, it's populated by ethnic Russians
                >stuff happens for a couple of centuries, wars etc
                >only one worth mentioning is WW2 which (and the subsequent Soviet education) cements hatred for nazis in the minds of an average Russian
                >in 1991 it ends up on the wrong side of the border but people cope
                >in 2013 a US-backed coup results in a leadership change in Ukraine
                >ethnic Russians watching the thing unfold live on tv witness mask-wearing neonazis making it happen, are kind of against the idea and don't want anything to do with those
                >Russia takes over Crimea - which is a couple hour's drive from Mariupol
                >separatism stirs in Donetsk
                >similar protests happen in Mariupol
                >unlike Donetsk, Lugansk and especially Slavyansk&Kramatorsk where Girkin/Strelkov sets up his roleplaying fortress, they take too long to get organized
                >ukrainian army gets its shit together, sort of, rolls in, curbs the protests
                You may remember this part if you were old enough to watch tv back then, Mariupol is where that footage of a bmp driving over a sad-looking barricade comes from.
                >due to its proximity to Donetsk and to prevent further protests, Azov, a nearly formed neonazi group is stationed there
                >8 years pass, during which Russian-speaking population is oppressed, granted, in relatively minor ways, though there's video testimonies of people being tortured for info
                >war begins (or rather transitions to the next stage)
                >Mariupol is cut off
                >noose is tightening
                >it's a free for all
                >azovites are preventing civilians from leaving the city, are looting stores for supplies
                >some also pay a visit to the museum because why not
                Hope this clears things up for you.

              • 2 years ago
                Anonymous

                >in 2013 a US-backed coup results in a leadership change in Ukraine
                Proof?
                Picrel is the real answer. Along with israelitetin, because Ukraine just signed deals with Royal Dutch Shale to supply Europe with gas. Crimea was stolen for the same reason: gas and oil. 80% of Ukrainian gas deposits were in the Black Sea off the coast of Crimea. israelitetin can't afford that, as that is where his money and power comes from.

                https://www.ukrinform.net/rubric-economy/2644538-ukraine-loses-80-of-oil-and-gas-deposits-in-black-sea-due-to-annexation-of-crimea.html
                https://sciendo.com/pdf/10.1515/bjes-2019-0027

              • 2 years ago
                Anonymous

                >Proof?
                Victoria "Frick the EU" Nulland attending the euromaidan protests.
                John McCain attending the euromaidan protests.
                US administration explicitly backing the protestors from the get-go.
                Proven and/or admitted US involvement in dozens of election riggings and revolutions in the last century alone.

              • 2 years ago
                Anonymous

                >Victoria "Frick the EU" Nulland attending the euromaidan protests.
                >John McCain attending the euromaidan protests.
                That's not proof of anything more than the US exploiting Ukrainian growing negative sentiment towards Russian puppets, sending their money to Russia instead of bettering Ukraine.
                >Proven and/or admitted US involvement in dozens of election riggings and revolutions in the last century alone.
                In Ukraine? So, you have proof? Did those Little Green Men grow on trees in Ukraine?

              • 2 years ago
                Anonymous

                Active US politicians visiting these rallies, while on duty is proof enough of US backing Euromaidan. Think potus-Drumpf and some other senior official attending a KKK rally on official visits and saying words of support and encouragement (as well as giving out cookies and pierogis, I kid you not, Nulland did that), the media would go wild.
                We can argue whether that's just the tip of the iceberg or them fooling ukies into believing that if they keep protesting they'll finally be admitted into that bright new future they've been dreaming of, or whether the Western support goes much further down, but that's already backing the coup.

              • 2 years ago
                Anonymous

                >Active US politicians visiting these rallies, while on duty is proof enough of US backing Euromaidan.
                Is it? Or is it just the US supporting something that was already happening?

              • 2 years ago
                Anonymous

                mariupol is so russian that it even has a greek name. oh wait

              • 2 years ago
                Anonymous

                Just like the rest of the cities founded around that era. Catherine the Great was a fan of Greeks so she named places like Sevastopol in that manner. Maybe read a book, or a wiki, before posting next time.

              • 2 years ago
                Anonymous

                >azov was formed recently to oppress russians
                ok you stupid vatnig, whatever helps you sleep at night

              • 2 years ago
                Anonymous

                >A forensics expert, professional analyst appears.
                >A forensics expert
                In what? From where? And prove to me the person isn't paid or threatened by the Russians to say what they say? Do you have anything not produces by the Russian Intel. agencies?

              • 2 years ago
                Anonymous

                You're the forensics expert, dummy.
                > And prove to me the person isn't paid or threatened by the Russians
                She hid some of the paintings and then gave them away. Why would she do it when she could've just told them that the nazis burnt all of the paintings? What gives you any reason to suspect she's under duress when she's speaking so eagerly and freely? Can you prove to me that YOU are not being paid or threatened by the Russians/Americans/jews/reptiloids/Moloch to make these posts even?

                Firehood of falsehood in full operation.

                [...]
                You're a westerner, right? You write like a bong anyway. I hope so. You do realise 5 eyes watches this website and your nordVPN most definitely will not keep them out of your shit. Better hope the war stays cold or you'll be immediately blackbagged and gitmoed.
                Yet another reason to hope for escalation for me though. :^)

                Honestly my citizenship/ethnicity, geographical location or the use of proxies is none of your business. Neither does it pertain to the discussion at hand. Trying to intimidate someone into towing the government's line is kind of Stalinistic of you though, you're really a commie at heart, it feels like we've come full circle.

              • 2 years ago
                Anonymous

                >You're the forensics expert, dummy.
                Just common sense. Where are the burn marks, burnt furniture, charred wood, etc. that an incendiary like a molotov would leave? It looks like damage from a blast wave hit it, not at all like someone threw incendiaries inside.

                https://i.imgur.com/oqKbEkZ.png

                >in 2013 a US-backed coup results in a leadership change in Ukraine
                Proof?
                Picrel is the real answer. Along with israelitetin, because Ukraine just signed deals with Royal Dutch Shale to supply Europe with gas. Crimea was stolen for the same reason: gas and oil. 80% of Ukrainian gas deposits were in the Black Sea off the coast of Crimea. israelitetin can't afford that, as that is where his money and power comes from.

                https://www.ukrinform.net/rubric-economy/2644538-ukraine-loses-80-of-oil-and-gas-deposits-in-black-sea-due-to-annexation-of-crimea.html
                https://sciendo.com/pdf/10.1515/bjes-2019-0027

                Also see WebM.

              • 2 years ago
                Anonymous

                >my citizenship/ethnicity, geographical location or the use of proxies is none of your business.
                t. Dylan Gonzales. ywnbw

              • 2 years ago
                Anonymous

                Rare surname that can be tracked to a particular place, fair skin that easily burns but can still tan nicely if exposed to the sun properly, brown hair and green eyes. Hair full of hair despite the age too, thick and straight. Wish I were blond which would've been the ultimate combo, and for a while I had been - as a kid - but it eventually darkened into a regular brown. Oh well.

              • 2 years ago
                Anonymous

                >You better fricking tell the camera that Azog did this shit or your family will turn out to be Azog in the filtration camp, suka
                Highly reliable testimony, much obliged.

              • 2 years ago
                Anonymous

                >Azov threw incendiaries at the museum.
                >No scorched wall, furniture, artifacts, nothing
                >Looks like it was bombed.
                >MUH AZOV NAWZEES DID IT
                Do you have anything that's not produced by the Russian military? Why would I assume she wasn't forced to make the statements after knowing Russia tortures POWs to produce propaganda for them?

              • 2 years ago
                Anonymous

                why are you on reddit?

              • 2 years ago
                Anonymous

                Someone uploaded the picture on reddit, I guess that means the picture is invalid and fake now
                Dumb Black person you can find pretty much anything on reddit
                What's next, you're gonna reverse image search and look for a twitter post with the same image and call everyone a twitter homosexual? My god you're fricking moronic.

              • 2 years ago
                Anonymous

                People like warm food. Like you can also see inverter in the pic, you hook up inverter to your little tanks battery then microwave to it and you have nice warm food to eat.

                https://i.imgur.com/RAD32bH.jpg

                >and what the frick is that?
                Checked. It's called an anti-tank ditch. It protects the sides and rear of a vehicle from enemy tanks, and ATGMs. Those are just stolen microwaves, like the stolen refrigerators, and washing machines. Vatnigs are literal Black folk.

                Stolen microwaves anon

                brain dead east euro slavs...

              • 2 years ago
                Anonymous

                I can see fricking excavator teeth marks, which means at maximum 1 vatnik was in a machine digging that hole. The dust (which is a nothing burger anyways) only affected 1 guy in its fullness, that being if any dust was even kicked up due to how wet the soil was.

                Fricking redditors keep freaking the frick out over nothing

              • 2 years ago
                Anonymous

                That's not from there. Just an example of the anti-tank trenches in the red forest. I can't remember the exact location of that vatnig anti-tank trench.

              • 2 years ago
                Anonymous

                I can guarantee you the Russians didn’t dig any trenches or holes by hand in Chernobyl and used excavators there too.

              • 2 years ago
                Anonymous

                >I can guarantee you
                How can you do that, Serb?

              • 2 years ago
                Anonymous

                I’m not a low IQ moron who thinks militaries would waste time making men dig huge holes and trenches in the rear when you can dig them in minutes using an excavator.

              • 2 years ago
                Anonymous

                What, exactly, would lead you to think Russia is compotent based on their performance thus far, and trenching the fricking red forest? Using that famous high Serb IQ, i guess.

              • 2 years ago
                Anonymous

                Confirmed for never having been anywhere near a Eastern European military.
                Hard labor builds character and erases delusions of individuality.

              • 2 years ago
                Anonymous

                Don't forget literally all the tanks, trucks, and APCs rolling through the Zone kicking up dust, too!

              • 2 years ago
                Anonymous

                Yeah, and I remember reading that they didn't have proper filters to filter out the radiation like they were supposed to.

              • 2 years ago
                Anonymous

                >What do you think burning wood from the red forest will do to you?
                Like I sad before. It can kill you 15 years down the road. Immediately it can't and won't do shit so it had absolutely no impact on combat readiness of the unit that was there which was OPs initial question.

                https://i.imgur.com/mdKXKuf.jpg

                I don't remember Fukushima crews breathing in radiation particles from digging trenches. Nor do I remember them not getting proper PPE gear.

                document is for explanations of units and exposure limits.
                but also fukushima right after accident was way more radioactive than chernobyl today despite being only "mild" explosion with reactor vessel not being compromised.

                https://i.imgur.com/wRa1BQ1.jpg

                >reddit
                Now go back cum /chug/ger.

                Its safer for you to dig trenches in red forest than consume reddit because that's certain damage to the brain unlike with radiation where bad outcome is just possibility.

              • 2 years ago
                Anonymous

                Then why did they get evacuated to Belarus radiation hospital?

                https://i.imgur.com/Xh5uBBn.jpg

                ,

                https://i.imgur.com/aOgqIsv.jpg

                >after accident was way more radioactive than chernobyl today
                One, they had proper radiation PPE, and secondly, but most important, they weren't breathing in radiated dust particles.
                >Its safer for you to dig trenches in red forest than consume reddit
                Then why do you /chug/gers do it?

              • 2 years ago
                Anonymous

                Cesium 137 and Strontium 90 have half lives of around 30 years. Days or weeks of exposure to exposed red forest material that the liquidators buried is enough to make you very sick.

              • 2 years ago
                Anonymous

                >that pic

                Obligatory

          • 2 years ago
            Anonymous

            I would not be surprised if they all survived but yeah they all got fricked up

            Cs137 has half life of what 30 years or so, those areas are now much safer then they where when power plant initially blew up. unless you inhale something nothing will happen to you let alone reddit fairy tales of people getting radiation burns and what not.

            it's only been one or two half-lives and the radiation there was bad enough to kill you several times over

          • 2 years ago
            Anonymous

            troony redditor, delet this HATO hohol piggy propaganda

            Russians are hard and tough people, some little invisible thingies cant hurt them. That CIA destroyed power plant was a long time ago and even then strong and tough russian people carried the reactor back with their bear hands! Even your troony reddit fake hbo Chernobyl propaganda showed it!!

            • 2 years ago
              Anonymous

              Man, when will the US finally deploy their giant nuke spitting xenomorph mecha?

        • 2 years ago
          Anonymous

          you can dig a hole in red forest and sleep there for a week as long as you have mask nothing will ever happen to you.
          most active and dangerous particles have very short decay times, what initially scorched forest lost most of its energy long time ago.
          ruskies probably inhaled some of that shit but that will be the problem 15-20 years down the road for them.

          • 2 years ago
            Anonymous

            >as long as you have mask nothing will ever happen to you.
            anon their air force is flying without GLONASS units and radios, what makes you think the occupying troops had dust masks when they didn't even know why the site was dangerous in the first place?

            There was also at least one soldier who decided to loot a cobalt-60 source from the secure radioactive material storage building. He at least got turned into sloughed-off jelly.

          • 2 years ago
            Anonymous

            Well, go sleep in the Red forest then)

  13. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    I still can't believe it even happened.

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      This entire war is just one giant practical joke.

  14. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    From what I heard they had to requisition multiple border-region Belarusian hospitals and stuff them full of irradiated troops. It was quite bad, but most likely one failed pantoooning levels of bad, and not "everything failed because of this" bad.

  15. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    Only one battalion camped in the actual Red Forest, the rest of them were nowhere near dangerous radiation levels.

    t. Ukrainian who lived 30km from there

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      yeah, that makes sense
      it's really bad for that one group, which was my understanding of the situation as well

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      >t. Ukrainian who lived 30km from there

      What was living under Vatnik occupation like?

  16. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    >dig into most irradiated part in the zone
    >sit, eat, camp and breathe in the trenches
    >Basically inhale radioactive particles into the lungs for a month
    >Surprised this might be deadly for one or two vatnigs

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      no, anon, radiation is clearly reddit propaganda
      after all Russia would immediately admit to any sickness among their troops right

      right

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      only highest iq

  17. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    What doesn't kill you makes you Tiger

  18. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    >ITT

  19. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    Reminder: Russians looted Chernobyl monitoring labs, and stole extremely radioactive isotopes. The kind of short-lived, vigorous isotopes that would give someone acute radiation syndrome.

    ALSO, a CBRN soldier picked up cobalt 60 with his bare hands

    https://www.science.org/content/article/dirty-bomb-ingredients-go-missing-chornobyl-monitoring-lab

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      I feel safer now knowing such dangerous materials are no longer in possession of Zelensky and his crazy wife.

      • 2 years ago
        Anonymous

        You are genuinely pathetic. Genuinely pathetic.

  20. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    one of the few things that scare me the most is ionizing radiation.

    there's no efficient way to get rid of it. once an object gets contaminated, it's pretty much rendered useless forever, and you can't just dispose it without taking all kinds of precautions.

    not even to mention what it does to living things. death is innevitable in a case of accute radiation poisoning.

    that being said, i kinda feel bad for the guys that were hospitalized. a truly horrible way to go.

  21. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    no, they took chernobyl because the other reactors are still working and providing power to this day, which makes sense if you want to conquer a country.
    Still hilarious that dumb fricking russians that dont know what happened there happily went around stealing magic rocks kek

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      >working and providing power to this day
      everything is shut down for years

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      >the other reactors are still working and providing power to this day
      Shows how much you know on the subject, dumbass.
      > In December 2000, reactor No. 3 was shut down after operating briefly since March 1999 following 5 months of repairs, and the plant as a whole ceased producing electricity.

      >russians that dont know what happened there
      A quick lookup shows there's been 5 Chernobyl-related films or tv series coming out in the last two years alone. And families of liquidators being routinely included in lists of categories of people available for benefits. It's mindboggling how clueless but confident some people are.

      • 2 years ago
        Anonymous

        I doubt some poorass farm boy from bachuristan republic knows about Chernobyl.

  22. 2 years ago
    Anonymous
    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      Oh no.

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      it must be the reddit repost meet day...

      • 2 years ago
        Anonymous

        you have to go back

  23. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    Yes red forest is completely safe. Camping is fine. Soldiers are fine. 🙂

    or maybe not.

  24. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    ARS is only caused by very short, very intense exposures, not "staying a radioactive hole for a month". ARS happens when your body is struck with so much ionizing radiation it overcomes your body's self-repair capabilities and causes profound metabolic trauma.
    As another anon pointed out, the body will constantly repair the damage of a long, low intensity exposure.

    Stop sperging left and right, making assumptions about "muh ultra super radioactive soil they dug up", there's just no way to get ARS by playing with the soil.
    Besides, the zone is littered with radiation sensors that regularly go crazy when dust is kicked up. If they dug up so much of that "magic glowing clay" you claim they did, everyone, especially the IAEA would have known and made a press release about it; except they didn't and no one but you and those twittards seem to know what they did to be irradiated, if this is even a true story, which it probably isn't.

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      The radiation detectors got shut off when the Russians took Chernobyl

      https://www.businessinsider.com/chernobyl-iaea-cut-off-from-radiation-monitors-after-russia-attack-2022-3?amp

      • 2 years ago
        Anonymous

        Radiation didn't leave with the Russians and those "massive totally dangerous, ARS levels of radiation" would have been detected subsequently following their departure, but they were not.

        • 2 years ago
          Anonymous

          Russians looted short-lived hot isotopes from Chernobyl monitoring labs and gave themselves ARS

          • 2 years ago
            Anonymous

            That's a completely different narrative than "look I've seen pics of the trenches, they totally got ARS from the forest".
            This debate is meaningless.
            Getting ARS from a radiation source I wouldn't doub it, but the story was about digging some spicy forest soil and getting ARS from it, which is very dubious if not simply impossible.

  25. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    >dig up all that shit for nothing

    that's the part that makes it funny. digging ditches next to chernobyl for the sum total of breathing in dust and retreating.

  26. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    [...]

    you got two people dumbass, mostly me, but still two people. no verification.

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      I'm relieved to know you're the only smoothbrain still active on that thread.
      Show guns.

  27. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    I haven't seen any source for anything other than
    >Power plant workers protest feebly
    >Ukrainians think Russians are real dicks
    The truth will come out, probably in a few years, till then I just don't really care. Either some Russians got irradiated or they didn't, it's irrelevant

  28. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    This got explained countless times, walking for a bit in the red forest? Pretty okay, even in the hot zones.
    Digging trenches, where you will cook, eat, sleep, use your hands full of dirt to touch your drinking cup and most of all breathe during fricking WEEKS is not good at all. Most of them won't even live to see the next star wars movie.

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      > Most of them won't even live to see the next star wars movie.

      What an apt reference for a redditor. Go back.

      • 2 years ago
        Anonymous

        >you made a joke so it means I'm right
        You really grasp at straws vatnik

        • 2 years ago
          Anonymous

          What are going to do? Cry bout it? Fricking die redditor.

  29. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    >Experts and people familiar with the zone still doubting how anyone could have gotten ARS from sitting in the red forest
    >Meanwhile nuclear experts on /k/ with zero actual knowledge are still explaining confidently how easy it is to die from radiation by eating crackers in dirt less radioactive than a transatlantic flight
    This is all tiresome.
    Verification not required.

  30. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    I volunteer the skeptics here to prove their conviction by building us one hundred sandcastles in the Zone.

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      When you claim something, the burden of proof is upon you, chum.

  31. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    https://twitter.com/mdfzeh/status/1557819440334602243

  32. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    Why are vatniks so adamant to defend some poor fricks digging in radioactive soil?

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      It's a nice distraction from the humiliating destruction of their airbase.

      • 2 years ago
        Anonymous

        The value of the conquered Ukr. territory is $7 billion.

        • 2 years ago
          Anonymous

          Are you fricking kidding me? Hundreds of thousands are dead or crippled, countless cities have been razed, millions have been displaced, Russia has completely destroyed it's reputation both militarily and diplomatically as well as it's economy, for 7 billlion fricking dollars worth of territory they're not gonna do shit with?

        • 2 years ago
          Anonymous

          It'll probably be worth even more once the Russian infestation is exterminated.

        • 2 years ago
          Anonymous

          and so far the cost of the "special military operation" or NWO (as it is written in russian) surpasses by far that number you pulled out of your ass

          • 2 years ago
            Anonymous

            special security operation will be refinanced in approx 1 year

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      >"anyone who exposes my lies is a vatnik"
      >ip count didn't change
      Verification not required.

      • 2 years ago
        Anonymous

        Those destroyed planes really hurt your feelings eh?

        • 2 years ago
          Anonymous

          You're living in a bubble anon, not everyone you interact with is mister FSB glowie paid to derail /k/ threads. Go outside and touch grass, breathe in some fresh air.

          • 2 years ago
            Anonymous

            That's a lot of cope Ivan

            • 2 years ago
              Anonymous

              t. John from Miami powiat, Florida voivodeship.

  33. 2 years ago
    Anonymous
    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      oh frick is that steven seagull

      • 2 years ago
        Anonymous

        You didn't know? He's a mascot at this point

        • 2 years ago
          Anonymous

          He's a US intel asset, just like Dennis Rodman is for best Korea, and Shawn Penn was for El Chapo.

  34. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    Meow?

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