How does stugna p stack up against modern TOW?

How does stugna p stack up against modern TOW?

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  1. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    >not top-attack
    good webm producer but not the best ATGM by far

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      this war has shown that top-attack is unnecessary.

      • 2 years ago
        Anonymous

        The fact that the term 'cope cage' exists would contradict that.

        • 2 years ago
          Anonymous

          No anon, we have been over this many times. The vatniks did not create cope cages for top attack missiles.

          • 2 years ago
            Anonymous

            ORLY? Please educate me, vatnik whisperer.

            • 2 years ago
              Anonymous

              They're for defending against RPGs fired fro elevated positions.

              • 2 years ago
                Anonymous

                Which is why so many cage-equipped tanks were blown up in open fields. By top-attack munitions.

      • 2 years ago
        Anonymous

        Against outdated russian garbage sure.

      • 2 years ago
        Anonymous

        >it is unnecessary; we know how to fight the last war
        Good way to lose the next.

        Which is why so many cage-equipped tanks were blown up in open fields. By top-attack munitions.

        and not by RPGs fired from elevated positions. Memes aside, cope cages might have worked against their intended opponents. Unfortunately not against 21st-century Western tech.

      • 2 years ago
        Anonymous

        Just wait for Stugna +P and +P+ and the Kraut copy Stugnat 88mm

      • 2 years ago
        Anonymous

        against moronic russians perhaps, but it still a very important asset

        • 2 years ago
          Anonymous

          when do you expect the NATO countries to fight each other? because NATO tanks are the only ones against which top attack might be necessary.

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      it does a little up-then-down manuever at the terminus of its flight, but the angle isnt as steep as NLAW or Javelin.

      then again, sugma PP operator can be 50 meters away from launcher so you can put it ontop of a building but control it from the basement.

  2. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    It's second generation ATGM, but with relatively modern electronics

  3. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    From what I can tell after watching a lot of footage they really need to use a seperate pair of stepper motors to gimbal the laser / camera independant of the tube after launch. This would add a little cost but I have seen a few misses from the whole tripod moving around as they track the target.
    As for capability most ATGMs will defeat most armor and it's proven more than a match for old soviet tanks. APS will of course shit all over it but every sub-sonic ATGM is going to have that issue.

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      Why does the target designator have to be on the same tripod? They could put it on a second one and let the launch tube do its thing.

  4. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    1. cheaper
    2. best protection for operator
    at everything else it's worse but that should be enough to sell to 2nd world and 3rd world countries

  5. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    It has a pretty long range and a pretty low rocket price. Yeah, israeli and french toys are superior to it but their price is close to the price of the tank itself.

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      do tanks cost around $200,000 since that's the cost of a Spike NLOS.

  6. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    Worse in every way but beggars can't be choosers.

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      frick you. i'd much rather be issued a stugna so i can remote control it from cover instead of standing directly behind the launcher just waiting to get shredded by 125mm

  7. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    Its as good as the sugma.

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      soon to be outclassed by the recent ligma upgrades however. Ligmas capabilities are incredible

      • 2 years ago
        Anonymous

        what do you think about the new kisma system? do you think it can compete?

  8. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    TOW has better ammo while sigma operator can fire from behind cover which is a huge plus

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      TOW is big Really big. There's a reason why US Army still maintain TOW even when Javelin is available

      Stugna is comparable to lighter ATGM like Dragon or Eryx

  9. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    Comparatively worse than Metis M but it has the option of shooting remotely which is nice but I don't think it's too much of a hurdle for any country to do the same

  10. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    >How does stugna p stack up against modern TOW?
    Hard to say but right now it is one of the best ATGMs of the war and doing a far better job then the javelins/NLAWs just because you can fire it remotely off a stabilized platform.

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      what is this shit video? basically shitting on Javelin because ukrops can't film every single engagement like they can with the stugna p. which it's a lot easier to do when you are hiding behind a hill or in a ditch waiting to ambush some shitty vatnik tank

  11. 2 years ago
    Mandickhin

    >stugna

  12. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    it doesnt stack up at all
    its inferior in every way
    except this doesnt matter when you arent facing a 1st world military so stugna is actually amazing for its cost and effectiveness against obselete tanks

  13. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    both are shit
    limited to LOS
    stugna is especially shit since you're broadcasting the fact that you're firing it to the enemy via laser

    • 2 years ago
      Anonymous

      If only you israeli morons would sell to Ukraine.

      • 2 years ago
        Anonymous

        ukraine is a third world shithole that cant afford proper weapons

  14. 2 years ago
    Indian Shill

    Decent 2nd Gen atgm. Nothing impressive. Standard early 2000's saclos atgm.

  15. 2 years ago
    Anonymous

    its very cost effective and i like it keeps the crew very safe, but i believe it needs some upgrades, namely top attack and a more automated guidance system

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