Had any nation suffered military humiliation of this magnitude in living memory? Russia will never be seen as military power again.
Had any nation suffered military humiliation of this magnitude in living memory? Russia will never be seen as military power again.
Living memory? We are alive to witness the greatest blunder of a millennia. Cherish the privilege.
I dunno the grand army's march into Russia is hard act to beat. Quasm's udder annihilation by the Mongols is a good one as well. The Yellow turban rebellion was just one big frick up from start to finish.
Napoleon's march on Moscow I wouldn't put up there at all. He won the largest battle in history up to that point. He captured Moscow. It was certainly a blunder in many ways but he was facing a host of bad options by that point. He made France the master of much of Europe in part through his deserved legendary talent as a general, but strategically this won him a ton of enemies. A France exhausted from war was always going to have a hard time ruling the continent against the opposition of much of the nobility. Two decades of constant war made Napoleon reliant of foreign forces and logistics, which contributed to the heavy desertion. Then he also got fricked by extremely bad weather right, managing two victories after, and was also sick himself the whole time.
Obviously, in retrospect he should have made the Russians come to him after they declared war, but it's not clear that would have made things that much better since he was facing a ticking clock.
What he really needed was either to have achieved an alliance with Russia, or to have spun off the German states as clients. But the technology for running a continent wide client apparatus didn't exist then.
>What he really needed was either to have achieved an alliance with Russia
He tried that and they were still helping the bongs, that's why the 1812 war started you massive moron. If anything, Napoleon was too easy on Russia in 1807 and then on Austria in 1809. He was delusional and thought they'll ever respect his peasant ass on the throne
I know it didn't work out dumbass. I'm saying strategically it would have secured France's overstretched position if it had.
And they did have a marriage proposal going and flirted with making food, it's just that Napoleon was facing enough enemies to make the Russians think they could wait him out.
There weren't really a lot of good options from his perspective.
Austrians would have started shit for sure. They're already extremely wienery for a cuck country.
It's incredible and possibly in the top 5 greatest humiliations of the century but going back a millennium there are absolutely some greater frickups. The Franco-Prussian War and Crimean War are still probably worse than this, and going back further you had some insane bullshit like the complete disintegration of the Hungarian military during their war with the Ottomans
I don't really think Afghanistan 2021 counts by either metric. The Americans withdrew in excellent order and managed some astounding feats of getting both US troops and aligned refugees/Afghan nationals out with minimal bloodshed, while the ANA did an incredibly shit job of holding the line but by the same measure doesn't really seem to have tried.
Can't speak for the Soviet withdrawal from Afghanistan but from my understanding it was a humiliation to the Soviets while the DRA actually did alright considering its utter lack of support. Six-Day War absolutely counts though.
you see fricking moronic, Afghanistan withdrawal was anything but good.
US failed to secure 1000’s of vehicles and aircraft and left in a complete rout. Even the Soviets left Afghanistan in good order, the US had people literally falling from their airplanes, it was a complete disaster.
What literally almost everyone fails to understand is that Afghanistan was a resounding success for America. Over a decade of uninterrupted killing and fricking around in someone else's country. Trillions of taxpayer dollars diverted to enriching and securing the dominance of the American military industrial complex and the ultra rich. Years of and years of combat experience that solidify the US's grasp on being the world's supreme military power.
A few thousand casualties and a meme withdrawal don't make it a failure. Everyone who mattered just decided there was little profit or experience to be gained from America. The new cool thing to get rich from was preparing for a conventional but restricted warfare with China. Until Putin went full moron but I digress. America never lost in Afghanistan because America was never there to defeat the Taliban or set up a friendly government or whatever. It was there to get dosh and it succeeded and nothing you can say or do can change that fact.
*little profit or experience to be gained from afghanistan any more
no, we spent billions and lost thousands of lives to ultimately fail to achieve an objective that was considered worthwhile for 20 years. The word you are looking for is waste. Not a total waste, but still not ideal.
>What literally almost everyone fails to understand is that Afghanistan was a resounding success for America.
ahhhh, this reeks of pre-Feb 2022 /k/.
America lost in Afghanistan, to say anything less is pure coping and strays into American-equivalent-of-Vatnik territory
>American-equivalent-of-Vatnik territory
No such thing, nobody is patriotic for America. People enjoy the high living standard and that's about it
America wasted over two trillion and no one even cared a few weeks after it was over lmao.
Afghanistan and Iraq make taking on China much more difficult you spastic. China can't be beaten militarily, they have to be strangled economically and now it's probably too late because so much time and money was wasted fighting wars for Israel.
The vehicles were literally cheaper to leave behind than take back with withdrawing American forces, and as-is the Islamic Emirate has no way to maintain them because they can't get the myriad finicky parts necessary for repairs.
Considering the presence there for the previous 20 years it was humiliating sure, but the fact the Americans at least got their guys out with minimal losses and pretty much according to pre-negotiated plans makes it hard to compare with phenomena like the Great Siberian Ice March and the collapse of the Kyiv Front in Ukraine, or fighting military failures such the Afghan National Army itself or the army of Saddamist Iraq.
I mean, fair enough, sure casualties were relatively light (tell that to the families) but I agree it was pretty humiliating and we got lucky it wasn’t a whole lot worse.
>whatever sandBlack folk in charge of afghanistan now do a military parade
>bunch of garbage, toyata technicals and a single blackhawk
Wowie the US really fricked up leaving so much equipment behind, they must be hiding all of it instead of taking videos to show off like they usually do when they capture US equipment
>left in a complete rout
Fricking what? Who was routed? What were the numbers of American soldiers lost?
ANA collapsed because their entire battle doctrine depended upon US support. They had been losing territory nonstop from 2020 to 2021 because US concessions in the Doha agreement meant the US refused to supply the ANA or provide air support.
Americans really are perfidious Black folk filled with cognitive dissonance.
>US refused to supply the ANA or provide air support.
US did provide air support why do think Taliban were seething about US supposed breaking Doha agreements before going on a YOLO offensive?
too little too late, also source on that claim
US providing airstrikes
https://www.voanews.com/a/us-afghanistan-troop-withdrawal_pentagon-us-airstrikes-afghanistan-having-effect-taliban/6209406.html
https://www.reuters.com/world/asia-pacific/us-launches-air-strikes-aid-embattled-afghan-forces-2021-07-23/
Taliban seething about it.
https://pajhwok.com/2021/07/24/taliban-slam-us-strikes-as-breach-of-doha-agreement/
https://voi.id/en/news/69680/taliban-condemns-us-airstrikes-violation-of-the-doha-accord-there-are-consequences
this will never triumph the Fourth Crusade.
>set up a crusade for egypt
>doge of venice sets up a deal with an eastern roman noble to coup the government in exchange for a lot of gibs
>when they take constantinople the new emperor doesn't pay up his end of the deal
>crusader forces sack constantinople and carve up the eastern roman empire into various crusader states
>while the ERE would reconstitute itself under the nikaeans some decades later, this is generally regarded as the fatal blow that ensured the eventual death of the state, and with it allowed the ottomans an entry into southeastern europe
the crusaders killed their golden goose with that one
>Quasm's udder annihilation by the Mongols is a good one as well. The Yellow turban rebellion was just one big frick up from start to finish.
qrd on both of these? always down for more medieval/early modern military history kino
>This is 5% of Russias air force being destroyed in 24 hours. Impressive. I wonder what happened.
Fourth Crusade was an embarrassment for the Byzantines, not Crusaders. They let Venetians supported by a horde of greedy opportunists capture the greatest fortifications in the world, despite the numerical advantage garrison forces enjoyed.
Fourth Crusade was an existential blunder by the Romans and a massive long-term strategic blunder by the Catholic crusader forces. On basically every conceivable level it was ruinous for both sets of actors
>Angeloi want to seize control of the Empire, end up destroying it as well as their own power
>Crusaders want money and to war on infidels, end up looting the country historically responsible for the logistical support of the crusades in the Middle East and fragmenting it in such a way as to let the Muslims access continental Europe
satan confirms it to be the case
1204 never forget
I don't quite see it as a long term strategic blunder for the crusaders
Most of them were from western-european nations which benefited immensely from the fall of Byzantium in the long term, both in the influx of learned easterners kickstarting the renaissance and in due to Europe being forced to find a way around the Ottoman control over the trade routes, starting the age of exploration and with it european world dominance
It was a complete shitshow for the Balkans to be sure, but they had their chance to set things right at Varna and didn't
In the end though, it was destiny Byzantium would fall, the fourth crusade was just a symptom of the same rot that had cost them Manzikert: trying to solve internal power plays by hiring external mercenaries
Russo Japanese war is still the number 1 for me.
Nah, not even a century. Go review Italy's 38 battles of the Isonzo, losing 2 million men to an Austria that ceased to exist as a functional state midway through the war.
The Gallipoli campaign was a costly failure for the Allies, with an estimated 27,000 French, and 115,000 British and dominion troops (Great Britain and Ireland, Australia, New Zealand, India, and Newfoundland) killed or wounded. Over half these casualties (73,485) were British and Irish troops.
Of all the varied parts of the world where British and Commonwealth forces were deployed during the First World War, Gallipoli was remembered by its veterans as one of the worst places to serve.
It was the scene of some of the fiercest fighting of the war. Allied troops landed there in April 1915 and spent months on the small peninsula of land guarding the Dardanelles Straits in modern-day Turkey. The military aims of the campaign were not achieved and it was eventually called to a halt; the final Allied troops were evacuated in January 1916.
There were heavy casualties, not only from the fighting, but from the extremely unsanitary conditions. Of the estimated 213,000 British casualties, 145,000 were from illness. Surviving combatants also recalled the terrible problems with intense heat, swarms of flies, body lice, severe lack of water and insufficient supplies.https://www.iwm.org.uk/history/9-reasons-why-gallipoli-was-one-of-the-worst-fighting-fronts-of-the-first-world-war
Yeah, losing 1.5M of men to gain a handful of hills while fighting against a meme state (which had to divide its forces between russia, balkans and italy) truly was something else kek
Which one was more embarrassing
>Italian participation in WW1
>Italian participation in WW2
>failed Italian invasion of Ethiopia in 1887
?
I'd say Ethiopia because they had literally nothing but Black folk with spears and some old rusty, portugese muskets. So it's like Isandlwana but x10000
Italy versus Greece was pretty pathetic too.
Italy in WWII has the perfect JUST moment. They had one of their champion fighters box a captured black soldier for a propaganda reel. It was supposed to show off the superiority of the Italian race. It was a completely unfair fight since it was a pro versus a guy who had never boxed.
But this is Italy in WWII, so not even a fixed fight can go right, and the pro, probably while trying to show off and slip punches, gets clocked with a haymaker and is knocked completely unconscious.
Their entire war in a nut shell lol.
You act like Russia doesn't do this every twenty years. They're bipolar and unless there's regime change they'll regroup and do it again in the near future.
glorious rossiyan culture !
I hope they're smaller next time. I want to see Moscow invade Novgorod.
Who's next? My money is on Georgia or one of the smaller -stans.
In 60 years is Russia going to go full Japan and turn kawaii?
They need some nuking first, they're not there (yet).
I hope so, Russian culture is genuinely cool, it's a shame that the people are currently such imperialist c**ts
Question is, are they going to spaz out like morons or doompost into humble oblivion over the next few decades
cope post that it was actually a victory regardless of it making zero logical sense
it's the russian vietnam
six-day war was probably worse but this isn't far behind
Six-day war was very impressive but it was also a pre-emptive strike on what was perceived as a bunch of useless c**ts. Arab military pride had been in tatters since the battle of the pyramids.
Afghanistan was fought on the other side of the world. Ukraine is a direct land border adjacent to the Russian heartland and the war is entirely conventional.
>battle of pyramids
>arabs
Bro arab military pride had been in taters since the anarchy in samara in the 870s
>battle of the pyramids
French 289 killed or wounded
Arabs 10,000 killed or wounded
>Six-day war
Israel 776–983 killed
4,517 wounded
15 captured
Egypt: 9,800–15,000 killed or missing
4,338 captured
Jordan: 696–700 killed
2,500 wounded
533 captured
Syria: 1,000–2,500 killed
367–591 captured
Iraq: 10 killed
30 wounded
Lebanon: 1 aircraft lost[citation needed]
Hundreds of tanks destroyed
452+ aircraft destroyed
Russian in Ukraine is way way worse. May I also point out that Ukraine is claiming to have destroyed 74 aircraft in the last 24 hours......not drones not helicopters...aircraft.....Did they capture an airport or blow one up in the last 24 hours?
This is 5% of Russias air force being destroyed in 24 hours. Impressive. I wonder what happened.
somebody made a typo when entering the data
happened before, they typically correct it the next day so you see -9001 planes destroyed
The 6 day war was indeed a brutal humiliation for the arabs, but at least israel did a surprise preemptive attack before they were able to carry out their plans. With russia it’s much worse because they were the ones who initiated the attack and they still got btfo
I think they might have struck one of the airbases near the Southern breakthrough with HIMARS today.
Nah, I checked earlier and should have ;posted back, looks like a typo other Ukrainian sources just show one plane downed today e.g pic related. Sorry should have come back and posted.
Israeli commandos blew up half the Ugandan air force to cover their escape during a hostage raid on a fricking military base. That might be the biggest small event JUST of all time.
Imagine the center of your military forces getting raided by light infantry who also destroy dozens of fighter jets.
>what was perceived as a bunch of useless c**ts
iraqi army was a big deal.
It went from 4th largest, well equipped armies in the world to 185th in a matter of hours. All that in another hemisphere from everyone attacking it.
This is what you get when your entire armed forces and its allies runs a simulated war game against sealand and believes it will lose, so they go back to the drawing board.
He was talking about the 6 day war moron
Yes
6 day war isn't even the biggest L Arabs have suffered at the hands of israelites
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1948_Arab%E2%80%93Israeli_War
Six day war, and honestly you can easily put the withdrawal from Afghanistan (both of them) in as well
Eh, Afghanistan withdrawal is pretty low on the list if you ask me. Giving up after 20 years of fricking up is still better then losing catastrophically to your neighbor. A better one would be Vietnam.
IMO, most of the humiliation from the US's withdrawal from Afghanistan had less to do with us leaving and more to do from how botched it was. To this day the thought of how much equipment we left behind pisses me off a bit.
Equipment was intended to be left behind because it was cheaper then shipping it back, and without US supplied spare parts & maintenance, it all quickly becomes useless junk except for the small arms which is whatever given how many guns are floating around in the Middle East already.
>Equipment was intended to be left behind because it was cheaper then shipping it back
(Not him) After spending how many billions, you expect people to believe this? Whatever helps you sleep at night I guess.
It's 100% true though. Nobody wants a MRAP that's half driven into the ground, remember when the feds gave them away to any police that filled out a form? Why spend hundreds of man hours and fuel to drive it back to a port just to ship it back to scrap it in the US?
So you decided to give them to an enemy?
b***h please.
It was definitely a botched extraction. That being said, I'm still not convinced that, after 20 years, we didn't come to the conclusion that the Afghani coalition government was so hopelessly corrupt that the only faction that could exert any meaningful control over Afghanistan was the Taliban. We just left behind the means to do so.
Is there a good way to leave Afghanistan? You have to pretend that the puppet government will last, so you have to leave them equipment. Simultaneously, you can't de-escalate slowly and start withdrawing troops over a long period because that risks escalation by the Taliban which would require more troops to shut them down again.
Maybe, with enough political will, the withdrawal could've been well announced with the message of "sort your own shit out", but the diplomatic backlash would have been insane.
i dont think Afghanistan was THAT bad, it was humilliating, and a waste of time, but it didnt completely decimate the US army
the six day war, yeah, that shit was wild
>both
no the american one was a PR disaster
Afghanistan was totally a fricking embarrassment, but a fraction of this.
This would be if the US collected its expeditionary forces from Asia, Europe and the Middle East, attempting to land into areas like Kabul, and then getting blown the frick out of the water, and retreating for 6-8 months, proceeding to reinstitute the draft and calling in reservists who fought in Vietnam, and being issued M-14s because you ran out of M16A1s.
Withdrawal of Afghanistan was embarrassing in a way getting caught with your fly undone is embarrassing. It means little shot-term and is insignificant in the grand scheme of things. What Russia is experiencing is dying from auto-erotic asphyxiation. They are going to die and everyone is going to make fun of them for it regardless of whatever they did before.
>Humanities last hope against degeneracy, surely they will prevail
>......and then suffering a nation destroying, absolutely blown the frick out, KO by the unimaginably wealthy, onions/HFCS fueled, troony infested, degenerate, homosexual west without a single western soldier dying because Russia thought it could wage a war (against the dying of its own light) against a world who can't be bothered to treat it as anything other than another half rate proxy war they can throw money at to make the problem go away.
contact says hello
I wouldn't include Afghanistan. It was unironically a success until the US decided to leave. (like not just the 2021 final withdrawal debacle. I mean when they pulled back from the provinces and just sat in Kabul)
>living memory
Maybe there are some really old Italians out there
at least dagos had some viable excuse to justify their performance
My Nonna was born in 1943 in Sicily, so does that count?
Pakistan tried to frick around, found out, and lost 55% of its population. Russia's humiliation is more prolonged but it's not as crippling (yet)
Battle of France, Britain and France getting btfo in a matter of weeks
As a naturally self-hating bong I have to mention the Japanese bicycle conquest of Malaya.
Iraq, 1991.
Nobody expected Saddam to win, just put up more of a fight. This war is the equivalent of the Gulf War, if the coalition got its arse utterly kicked.
Saddam's forces did put up as decent a fight as could be expected, and knew when they'd lost for the most part
they have much more respect than modern Russian military does
t.burger
how?
Iraq pretty much was in full retreat, no one had the stomach to stay in Kuwait, US army never cut off the Iraqis from Basra, their withdrawal was pretty much a success and Saddam stayed in power for another 12 years, but it wasn’t from fighting in the Gulf.
Russia on the other hand is basically facing a very bitter fight against Ukraine, which is using western tech and supplies to negate Russian air supremacy, so it’s just a brutal slog.
If Ukraine didn’t have western awacs or wonderwuffe this would have ended months ago.
>Western Wunderwaffe
pictured here, by the way
>decent fight
>their greatest achievment was creating the biggest pile of junk in the world after thousands of their tanks got blown-up by the USAF in one day
nah, after this war i realize the US army was simply too strong, russia is probably 1991 iraq tier when it comes to its army
Gulf War was gang rape
Six Day War was impressive but nobody really expectedc much from arabs
Winter War at least ended in a Russian victory
Chechnya, Afghanistan (both US and Soviet), and Vietnam pale in comparison to this
THIS is the greatest humiliation ever
I invite you to study basically any of the 19th century wars involving China
Nobody expected anything from China in the 19th century. Their leadership still pretended they were hot shit but nobody else did.
How do you get the entife world to turn against you? Even during the World Wars, not even Germany ever managed to do this.
Their own propaganda went full on bloodthirsty savage the minute they realized Ukrainians weren't going to surrender and quietly trudge off to the death camps.
Talking about Iraq back in the day
Very simple:
>start a war of conquest against neighboring countries because they wouldn't give you debt relief
>steal their oil fields
>openly plan to steal more oil fields from other countries
>actually have a chance to control more than half the known oil reserves on the planet Earth
There is literally no one who would benefit from an Iraqi dominion over so much oil. That's the way to get everyone on Earth against you.
I can think of two: Italian invasion of Greece and the Russo-Japanese War.
>Russo-Japanese war
>living memory
Japan was a great power (even though, in their arrogance, the russians refused to acknowledge it) and was fighting pretty much in its home turf while most of the russian forces were on the other side of the world, it’s not nearly as bad.
Bataan.
There may still be people alive that remember Italy being humiliated by Ethiopia
Italy was outnumbered like 20:1
Still hurting huh Luigi?
?
it's true
That sounds like something they should have considered and planned for then...
The second time possibly, but then the Italians weren't playing fair and actually won. The first time was definitely up there with this shitshow but I'm certain nobody alive actually remembers that
I still don't get why didn't the referee stop the match they were clearly cheating baka
I get what you're saying but there's nothing resembling combat parity, or honor really, in using mustard gas on the soldiers of a country that is still modernizing from a basically feudal level. Even then the Italians took pretty embarrassing lossses.
Yom Kippur is probably a better example where the aggressor gets BTFO
>biggest country in the world
>has the most natural resources in the world
>fifth largest military in the world
>loosely allied with China and India (combined population: 2.84 billion)
>can't beat an impoverished neighboring country which is 28 times smaller, flat-terrained and run by a crossdressing comedian
>can't beat NATO's homosexual feminist pronoun army supplying said country with arms and advice
>can't motivate own citizens to mobilize
>top generals siphon the military budget to buy yachts and Harvard gender studies education for their kids
>tries to cheat by proclaiming parts of said country as Russian, nobody cares
>threatens the West with nuclear weapons, turns out it was a bluff
>ends up expanding NATO
>ends up strengthening the West's solidarity
>ends up bolstering Ukrainian national identity
>ends up pointlessly sacrificing men for the war, worsening the demographic decline
>Russia may end up balkanized by the West through separatist color revolutions
This guy had 22 years to fix Russia and turn it into a veritable superpower, yet all he did with his absolute power was give away money to his friends and oligarchs, set up a police state, and start the most embarrassing war fiasco in history under the pretext of "RACIST TRANSGENDER ANGLO-SAXON NAZIS WHO PLUNDERED AFRICA WANT TO TURN RUSSIANS INTO homosexualS AND CANCEL US LIKE JK ROWLING".
This is, quite simply, the worst humiliation of all time.
Can't turn a spook into a leader
I dunno, George HW Bush was pretty alright, and he straight up ran the CIA for a bit.
Then again, Putin was literally just Some Guy in the KGB, not a leader.
Yes. The first Bush was Director of the CIA. Also, Eisenhower was a government spook as well.
Eisenhower wasn't a spook, he was a regular uniformed commissioned officer. He was about as high profile and unspooky as you can get.
>and start the most embarrassing war fiasco in history under the pretext of "RACIST TRANSGENDER ANGLO-SAXON NAZIS WHO PLUNDERED AFRICA WANT TO TURN RUSSIANS INTO homosexualS AND CANCEL US LIKE JK ROWLING".
The fact that is sentence is 100% factual and correct will never stop making me smile.
may end up balkanized by the West
Also China and other Asian states, making it even more humiliating
Literally Carthage 2022
should make this a pasta if it isn't already
I post it on /misc/ when I feel like it but the anons there are too lazy to read
>"RACIST TRANSGENDER ANGLO-SAXON NAZIS WHO PLUNDERED AFRICA WANT TO TURN RUSSIANS INTO homosexualS AND CANCEL US LIKE JK ROWLING"
He didn't, but anyway that premise was certainly worth a war or two.
He quite literally did. Have you not seen his latest speech?
>run by a crossdressing comedian
It's like Yosemite Sam chasing Bugs Bunny all over again.
did he really mention J.K. Rowling in his speeches?
https://www.cnn.com/2022/03/25/world/jk-rowling-putin-intl-scli-gbr/index.html
> “J.K. Rowling has recently been canceled because she… did not please the fans of the so-called gender freedoms,” Putin said, speaking to workers in the arts and literature sector via videolink.
>He continued: “Today, they are trying to cancel a whole 1,000-year-old country, our people. I am talking about the increasing discrimination of everything related to Russia, about this trend which is unfolding in a number of Western states.”
Yeah CNN, deal with it.
If we're balkanizing Russia, I'd be ok with Mongolia taking over most of Siberia. Honestly I'm surprised the country isn't more of a shithole, given it's neighbors. It's relatively nice.
>giving white areas to asiatics
Kys Schlomo
>siberia
>white
>russians
>white
how many levels of cope are you on?
Yes moron, Russians are white and Siberia is majority white
The snow Mongol tribes are tiny and only 10% of Siberian population
You wot m8? Russia banned publishing figures on the number of Han in the Fat East, but it went from 20,000 in 2000 to 800,000 in 2014. The entire region only had 7 million Russian citizens and a large number are natives or Mongols. Of the remaining Europeans, many are descendants of Poles, israeli, and Ukrainians deported there in the Soviet era. That shit is barely majority Russian even if it still is and is on its way to being plurality Han Chinese. China has an intentional plan of making it a Chinese region and still claims large parts of it.
>This guy had 22 years to fix Russia and turn it into a veritable superpower, yet all he did with his absolute power was give away money to his friends and oligarchs
A time old tradition of dictatorships right there.
Based, imagine what an embarrassment is to be Russian in 2022
Russians are moronic and have no shame so they really aren't embarrassed at all.
>This guy had 22 years to fix Russia and turn it into a veritable superpower
autocracies are inherently weak. as messy as democracy can be, without that source of legitimacy dictators have to spend ungodly amounts of resources to pull another source of legitimacy out of their ass. ie bribing everybody with influence while knee capping all other sources of influence effectively handicapping the country's own potential.
Finally, a worthy opponent
>This is, quite simply, the worst humiliation of all time.
Indeed. Quite frankly I find comparisons of the Russian invasion of Ukraine to Vietnam, Iraq, and Afghanistan is if anything, a gross understatement.
What happened in Vietnam was a disgrace. It was wasteful, tragic, and should never be repeated (America has failed at this, twice). The very word "Vietnam" rolls off of the American tongue with shame and bitterness that is palpable.
Ukraine is a catastrophe. One without precedent in modern history.
There is no other way of putting it. The last seven months have been a disaster of unprecedented proportions, one that imperils the very existence of Russia as a polity and arguably the entire world with it. As Vladimir Putin is a man whose formative experience was the Fall of the Soviet Union, an experience that he would sooner set the whole world ablaze than allow to happen again.
Ukraine isn't the Russian Vietnam (that would be Afghanistan btw). Ukraine is its graveyard. That land on the Black Sea where the Bear met its match. Where criminal pride and imperial hubris were finally humbled. Where the last vestiges of the Soviet Union and the Tsardom before it died in flames. All live-streamed in 4K.
The only real remaining question is, will the rest of us be dragged into the flames as well?
>two more weeks says the historically and politically illiterate dweeb
The Emu War wasn't as bad, but it came close.
I'm AI genning Strelkovs for this circumstance.
Not yet. I will have to wait for the Century of Humiliation-tier Decline that is about to come.
Well, there was that seal clubing at Tsushima... oh, wait.
You're all failing to notice that any example of a comparable military and political blunder you can come up with is more than a hundred years old. And doesn't even compare. The russo-japanese war didn't end tzarist Russia, WW1 did, Italy in WW2 was firmly on the side of Axis and couldn't even control its destiny at that point because Germany dominated them, Qing China died after a century of decline and being ravaged by multiple nations and factors, WW2 Japan beat the shit out of everyone before they were defeated in an apocalyptic struggle, and WW1 and WW2 Germany fought to the bitter end. Even Austria-Hungary and the Ottoman Empire went down fighting in a fricking world war.
Russia's disaster is self-inflicted, unnecessary and humiliating to the extent it dwarfs anything in modern history. There is no comparable war or event.
no
This is the cherry on top
rude
Poland
What? Ukraine still not winning even with half the western world funding and supplying them?
nice meme
1905 with the Japs
1921 with the Poles
1940 with the Finns
1989 with the Mujahideen
1996 with the Chechens
2023 at best with the Ukies
>1905 with the Japs
won 40 years later
>1921 with the Poles
won 20 years later
>1940 with the Finns
won 5 years later
>1989 with the Mujahideen
no one could ever win
>1996 with the Chechens
won 3 years later
>2023 at best with the Ukies
guess what will happen
>>1921 with the Poles
>won 20 years later
Lost 50 years later.
>>1996 with the Chechens
>won 3 years later
Do you think that winning is measured by the number of civilians killed?
Because I'm pretty sure that the second Chechen war ended with russians bribing the kadyrov clan into cooperation with money and by giving them independence in pretty much every aspect, except for (maybe) foreign policy and colors on the map. That's hardly a win if you compare chechnya and russia
Chechnya declared independence.
Russia killled half and bought the other half.
Kadirov bent the knee for the eternal enemy and now Chechens are dying in a Russian war against a nation that wants to be independent.
I wonder how long can Kadirov stay alive.
New cope just dropped
>"They're supposed to lose this war so they can win the one in 12 years"
>1905 with the Japs
>won 40 years later
Backstabbed after they were defeated by others
>1921 with the Poles
>won 20 years later
backstabbed after they were defeated by others
>1940 with the Finns
>won 5 years later
Never achieved primary goal of occupying Finland SSR in its totality. Was confined to borderland back and fourth wars
>1989 with the Mujahideen
>no one could ever win
True. A graveyard is a graveyard
>1996 with the Chechens
>won 3 years later
Paying tribute to not rebel, effectively neo aristocracy fiefdom that will rebel as soon as the tribute stops
>2023 at best with the Ukies
>guess what will happen
You will get your shit beaten out of you, blame&memory hole it with the NATO cope and after NATO is gone will once again invade and be beaten the shit out of your because ukranians are dominating you muscovite steppe trash.
What's so shocking about the whole affair is the gulf between the (self) image the Russians managed to project for the last ten years and the true situation of their forces. It's farcical honestly.
This basically. It's like a roided up hyper masculine dudebro getting beaten up by a scrawny lisping troon. Also:
I've heard somewhere the actor from that Russian ad is a homosexual. I can't find anything online but honestly it'd be hilarious if true
>troon
>ukrainian
Another moron who eat up too much russian propaganda
Russians just project
Ukranians are nothing like troons
You are low IQ
>Ukranians are nothing like troons
No one's saying that they are, the other guy is saying that that's how Russia has tried to cast itself against its rivals: as the macho traditionalists fighting against the effete, indecisive comsopolitans in the west (whom they incorrectly lump the Ukies in with, as Putin did just a few days ago), who have only led comfortable lives, and know nothing of real hardship or struggle. They've promoted this narrative so effectively that even some fairly influential American politicians have bought into it (pic related). This adds a dash of irony to Russia's defeat, because they're losing to the same people they've spent the last decade calling a bunch of limp-wristed homosexuals and sissies.
>Russia is losing to this
our prime minister is embarassing us, Im sorry
i bet he gives good head
>i bet he gives good head
We'll never know, because the killjoy piloting the drone explosively wienerblocked them.
The irony is that a US Senator talked shit about that advertisement and saying Russia's ad was better/made them a better military force that is serious.
Oh, how life loves to frick with people. When a military running homosexual ads for the fun of it/to dump money are better than you, you know you fricked up.
It's this shit that makes me love the Russian "last real masculine man" attitude and posturing.
They spend the whole time waxing poetic about being the last bastion of masculinity, untainted by the soft effeminate liberal west, and think themselves tough for it. Humanities last hope against degeneracy, surely they will prevail
......and then suffering a nation destroying, absolutely blown the frick out, KO by the unimaginably wealthy, onions/HFCS fueled, troony infested, degenerate, homosexual west without a single western soldier dying because Russia thought it could wage a war (against the dying of its own light) against a world who can't be bothered to treat it as anything other than another half rate proxy war they can throw money at to make the problem go away.
>Humanities last hope against degeneracy, surely they will prevail
>......and then suffering a nation destroying, absolutely blown the frick out, KO by the unimaginably wealthy, onions/HFCS fueled, troony infested, degenerate, homosexual west without a single western soldier dying because Russia thought it could wage a war (against the dying of its own light) against a world who can't be bothered to treat it as anything other than another half rate proxy war they can throw money at to make the problem go away.
>......and then suffering a nation destroying, absolutely blown the frick out, KO by the unimaginably wealthy, onions/HFCS fueled, troony infested, degenerate, homosexual west without a single western soldier dying because Russia thought it could wage a war (against the dying of its own light) against a world who can't be bothered to treat it as anything other than another half rate proxy war they can throw money at to make the problem go away.
It seems illogical to paint your potential enemies as weaklings and cowards who can be easily defeated.
>portray them as strong
>fight them and lose: "What did you expect, you fricking idiot?"
>fight them and win: a triumph that will be spoken of for the ages
>portray them as weak
>fight them and win: "Big deal, what did you expect?"
>fight them and lose: absolute fricking humiliation
Without scarcity, the Culture has no need for money; instead, minds voluntarily indulge humanoid and drone citizens' pleasures, leading to a largely hedonistic society. Many of the series' protagonists are humanoids who choose to work for the Culture's elite diplomatic or espionage organisations, and interact with other civilisations whose citizens hold wildly different ideologies, morals, and technologies.
The Culture has a grasp of technology that is advanced relative to most other civilisations . The Culture's citizens have been enhanced to live for centuries and have modified mental control over their physiology, including the ability to introduce a variety of psychoactive drugs into their systems, change biological sex, or switch off pain at will. Culture technology can transform individuals into vastly different body forms, although the Culture standard form remains fairly close to human.
The Culture holds peace and individual freedom as core values, and a central theme of the series is ethical struggle it faces when interacting with other societies – some of which brutalise their own members, pose threats to other civilisations, or threaten the Culture itself. It tends to make major decisions based on the consensus formed by its Minds and, if appropriate, its citizens. In one instance, a direct democratic vote of a billion– the entire population – decided The Culture would go to war with a rival civilisation. Culture against a highly illiberal society of supposedly equal power: the aggressive, despotic Russians . Though they posed no immediate, direct threat to the Culture, the Culture declared war because it would have felt useless if it allowed the Russians' ruthless expansion to continue.
ima crit your fanboyism of mr iain, for that shit is written like a starbucks-monarchist power fantasy over the blue collar savages
>make major decisions based on the consensus formed by its Minds and, if appropriate, its citizens
>calling itself THE culture
this idea is just about as democratic as the soviet union
also
>a society of hedonism maintaining an understanding of technology
lol, lmao even. either they have a slave class (remember our dildo supply problems when china got the flu) or they are idiots in command of an omnipotent AI, that they command to rearrange the universe according to their bullshit whim (which is essentially what all modern radical politics strive towards - "haha, if we get AI (infinite command and control) and fusion energy (infinite power) THEN, after achieving these modest requirements, my ideal society will work, i am so smart!)
tl;dr iain sucks
Vranyo is a way of life in Russia.
The West is decadent, depraved and without religion - when Alcoholism rates in Russia are higher than anywhere in the west, Russia is the largest producer and distributor of child porn outside of Thailand, AIDS rates higher than any country not in Africa, national church attendance rates lower than even the most liberal and atheistic cities in the west and none of this is hidden from the public.
It cannot be understated just how much Mongol domination and then Communist destruction and demoralization affected Russian 'culture'.
There are about 100 million Catholics in the EU and about 30 Million are fastidiously practicing observers. There are a further 70 million in the USA and about 25 Million of those are fastidiously practising observers. There are at least the same number of protestants and fastidiously practicing protestants. We will not include cults like the scientologists, Moonies, Russian orthodox church etc as religions....please note that there are more fastidiously practising protestants and Catholics in the USA and EU than the entire population of Russia. I therefore find your definition
>The West is decadent, depraved and without religion
False. Are there depraved people in the west absolutely. They exist everywhere. Consider the Iranians beating girls to death for not wearing bags on their heads or the Chechens beating and torturing homosexuals to death, or the Pakistanis sentencing children to death for insufficient respect to a book. The Saudis will cut peoples hands and heads off. The Afghanis like to repeatedly buggering young boys after making them dance as women, the Chinese and se Asians routinely sell their daughters into prostitution in return for cash loans, the Africans beat albinos to death and eat their organs or mutilating their daughters genitals with razor blades as the Israelis do to their sons, the Indian Hindo considered the sacrifice of a toddler to be instrumental in bringing financial luck and cast out their elderly relatives to die in poverty on the streets, leaving street children and lepers to suffer agony and death as outcasts because it is their 'fate' and 'karma'. The west has far to go in depravity to match these cultural institutions and other cultures have little to match the sincere religious convictions of the western observant Catholic and Protestant populations.
The west is far from the most depraved culture, take a look at some ISIS execution videos to remind yourself of western moral authority
I'm glad you agree with me.
Siad Barre's invasion of Ethiopia
>Somalia and Ethiopia are both led by communist Soviet aligned dictators
>Somalia decides to invade Ethiopia and annex Somali majority land despite being formal allies
>Barre shocked to discover the Soviets siding with Ethiopia insteas of him
>USSR sends 15 000 Cubans to the war, they absolutely wallop Somalian army
>Barre quickly renounces conmunism, claims he's a capitalist now and asks the US for help
>the US doesn't give a shit
>Barre's own generals overthrow him
>this starts a civil war that continues to this day
No body gives a shit about Africa and it does not count in any way.
No, the only real equivalent is History is the Boxer Rebelion, unironically.
There are leaders like Francisco Solano Lopez of Paraguay, whose recklessness to enter wars and bad planning led to the destruction of their country, but Russia's self-own is on another level. They had at least 8 years to prepare the invasion, they cultivated an image of power, they're the largest country in the world, etc. etc. and they still lost to Zelensky's fricking troon redditor brigade
Ukrainian military are no troons or redditors
Really getting tired of western homosexuals trying to take credit for this when they barely did anything
It's the Russians and their online shills who made those claims, now they're losing to them. Only fitting to rub their nose in it.
Ukraine are the inheritors of the best Soviet military prowess and the best aspects of NATO warfighting. In only eight years they wised up, trained, re-organized, and became one of the most effective forces on the planet. Nothing but respect for them.
>Ukrainian military are no troons or redditors
They are.
Ukraine has homosexual platoons and they're wrecking the shit of russians.
Stop confusing Ukraine with your dad's bedroom
>hmm my allies are in a civil war and they are are being invaded by another government that supports the other side, I should help them but we don't share a border
>*declares war on the other country and invades some empty borderland*
>well shit my allies might lose soon, let me as this other country to let me sail down the river to my ally
>*gets denied and declares war against them too*
>*allies lose, new people in charge declare war against you too*
It's still funny.
I had such a brainfart midsentence that I'll take the esL without bothering to correct it.
What are the possible end states of the war in Ukraine? I can't imagine anything other than:
Russia gets their shit together with mobilization and manages to eke out something resembling a favorable conclusion after possibly years of grinding attrition warfare.
Or bullet to the back of Putin's head.
Is there any other way this goes down?
>Russia gets their shit together
there is zero chance of them accomplishing that. none whatsoever. the rot just goes too deep. almost all modern equipment is gone, all the smart young people left, the economy is collapsing. meanwhile ukraine is high on victory and getting higher.
by winter 2023, ukraine will be back to 1991 borders. the only question is what state, if any, will russia be in by then, and whether nukes will fly. probably not, but you never know.
If the bodies from mogilization do nothing to slow the Ukies in a month nothing will.
I just hope that the Kremlin will stop Putin
(or whoever gets the authority to press the button if they coup him) from ordering a nooking.
Russia nooking is the best case scenario, it will give NATO casus belli
>but if NATO nukes too there will be a nuclear winter!!
NATO will not respond with nukes, they will use conventional cruise missiles and aerial bombing. Maybe special forces on some targets, but most likely not.
Do you realise that billions of people watch RT, Tucker and other anti-American shows and have no idea what's going on? Chinks only know their state propaganda, Pajeets are mostly the same. Latin American news are also heavily biased against America and by proxy against Ukraine.
Don't be surprised when you meet some 3rd world guy with a completely alternative understanding of the events.
>Latin American news are also heavily biased against America and by proxy against Ukraine.
This is patently false, maybe in Cuba or Venezuela this is true but even with heavy NATO backing people see Ukraine as the underdog being bullied by a much bigger power and this rings with the anti-imperialist sentiment.
t. Latrino
> tucker
> anti-American
because keeping to the original spirit and philosophy of the Founding Fathers and opposing an all-powerful, unaccountable federal government is anti-American... Clown world.
>opposing an all-powerful, unaccountable federal government
Like Russia's?
Tucker is a media prostitute who has whatever opinions his masters dictate. They all are.
Traditional values like shitting in your mouth and being moronic?
Yeah you're just a useful idiot anon. I hear you and I like small government like you I agree with JS MIll and the rights of teh individual over the collective etc but you have had themed subversions cipts run on you and it shows. Go look up the whiskey rebellion and Washingtons reaction to resistance to government before you want to drag the people who formed the first US government after the American revolution. bear in mind that they kept slavery going as well. I see nothing much good in any government but some are worse than others, especially the ones that are not neutered by the charade and comedy act that is elections but the US government is so neutered.
Tucker Carlson, like his left wing equivalent is a polarisation and subversion agent. He may not even know he is, may be that he is just an actor for an editor that is. He is voice acting for a foreign policy that directly benefits not the American people or their allies but Putin.
>Latin American news are also heavily biased against America and by proxy against Ukraine.
homie what are you going on about.
t. wife is an indigenous Guatemalan. She still watches Guatemalan satellite TV nightly after the kids go to bed and it’s all pro-Ukraine
>Latin American news are also heavily biased against America and by proxy against Ukraine.
Not really, Anon. Pretty much the only places that support Russia are the socialist shitholes aka Cuba and Venezuela, everyone else in South America pretty much supports Ukraine.
t. Peruvian
>Latin American news are also heavily biased against America and by proxy against Ukraine.
You high homie. Maybe some commie weirdos are pro-Russia but all of the news network are now reporting from Ukraine's side.
Early in the war, Latin American news networks tried to keep a balanced view from Ukrainian and Russian perspectives but they stopped that once they realized russia was shit.
1.) Kwarazham provocation against Genghis Khan
2.) Crusader Sack of Constantinople (for Christendom)
3.) German invasion of the USSR
4.) Athenian Syracuse Expedition
5.) Japanese attack on Pearl Harbor
6.) Napoleon's invasion of Russia
7.) Romans at Adrianople
8.) Paraguay's war with the Triple Alliance
9.) Battle of Tongguan (An Lushan Rebellion)
10.) Romans at Carrhae
11.) Spanish Armada
12.) Nasser's provocation of Israel (six day war)
13.) Saddam's invasion of Kuwait
14.) Khmer Rouge provocation of Vietnam
15.) Russian invasion of Ukraine
Not gonna bother to address all of those but you're really reaching
>German invasion of the USSR
It was a fiasco but Germany was fighting the powers of both the USSR and US (Lend-Lease) while having another front open. They managed to almost reach Moscow and destroyed and murdered everything in their path, remaining formidable and terrifying all throughout. Meanwhile Putlet can't hold onto the three inches of land he barely managed to conquer over seven months
>Japanese attack on Pearl Harbor
Again, Japan lost, but they remained a fanatical and terrifying enemy until the end, conquering the bulk of East Asia
>Napoleon's invasion of Russia
One great power invading another
>Khmer Rouge provocation of Vietnam
Cambodia was a weak, idiotic schizo regime that couldn't fight for shit, not embarrassing. What's actually embarrassing is that America and China got their asses beat by Vietnam
Hitler had support from Italy, Spain and Romania you idiot
Italy was a burden and Nazi puppet governments like Romania don't count
>cover your ass both in Russia and Libya
>keep the Brits busy in the mediterranean
>keep basically the entire American fleet out of Europe
>provide men, vehicles, whataveyou
>burdens
yours is an asinine and simplistic view of history
No, they didn't. They were burdened by those homosexuals.
how is supporting your ally with tanks and troops a burden? Maybe you didn't know that Romania helped at the battle of Stalingrad, which the Germans lost because of their incompetence.
Invading the USSR caused nazi germany to destroy itself. cope.
It's still nowhere near as embarrassing as Putlet's failure in Ukraine
>they remained a fanatical and terrifying enemy until the end
Fanatical? Yes. Terrifying? Maybe. But that doesn't change the fact they were consistently getting btfo since Midway and usually had losses 10 times bigger than the Americans
>conquering the bulk of East Asia
Because it was pretty much empty? Outside of Singapore, garrisons of EA colonies were very small. Americans had 20k troops in Philippines, the Dutch had virtually no professional soldiers in Indonesia, same for the French in Indochina.
>consistently getting btfo since Midway
not around Guadalcanal
Tempted to say that the Entente being forced to turn back from Sevres by the Republic of Turkey as it was born was a pretty big bloody nose, but at the same time they were all pretty overextended and Mustafa Kemal was a fricking incredible general.
Kind of surprised the actions of Nazi Germany aren't getting more mention here. There's a joke that the Nazis were the single worst thing to befall Pan-Germanism and the strategic-level incompetence seen in Barbarossa is pretty good evidence of that.
Germany CHOSE to fight the U.S. There was no reason for Berlin to declare war on the United States following Pearl Harbor, and doing so turned the largest single economy in the world and one of its biggest naval powers from biased neutrality to overt hostility.
>the strategic-level incompetence seen in Barbarossa is pretty good evidence of that.
this guy gets it. If Italy had had the ressources and manpower Barbarossa would have been finished after one month.
>Mustafa Kemal was a fricking incredible general
nah, he was a moron
the brits won that war for him by organizing a coup in Athens out of the blue and then leaving the French without any support in the desert
Armenia was also not a threat because soviets invaded them from the north
all kemalroach had to do was not letting his army fall apart
How is any of these comparable to the war with ukraine now?
Sure, russians lost badly in both of these but one was against a modernized, rising power and the other was against their traditional rival.
Meanwhile, Ukrainians always were something like a little, moronic brother for Russians. Ukraine has never won a war in their history, and THIS is going to be their very first time. I don't think you can compare that with anything in russia's military history and it's full of embarrassing defeats.
It's kind of hard to rank some of these. Stuff like Pear harbor turned out horrible in the end but had a decent idea behind at least, and was born from trying to objectively view themselves and their enemy. And it was basically a binary choice between focusing on China or attacking the US. And war between Nazi Germany and the USSR was inevitable, the management left a lot to be desired but once again the core idea was either decent or the situation unavoidable in the long term.
Russia did not need to attack Ukraine, not really, so long as there was a low level fighting in the east of Ukraine the situation was contained and there was no risk of western oil&gas companies setting up shop or for Ukraine to be able to get into either the EU or NATO. And the timing couldn't have been worse, both from an operational viewpoint and in general for the situation at home and in the west. Seriously had he just waited a few years western unity could have honestly collapsed. But no, Putin threw away everything that he had been building up for his entire career because of sheer hubris and the inability to read his own country, and the system that he himself put up.
And in the end it might cost Russia far more than even the Soviet Collapse did.
>Seriously had he just waited a few years western unity could have honestly collapsed.
This is what really gets me. The timing is so odd, who the hell waits 8 years for the enemy to militarize and then attack because muh covid and BLM revealed muh Western disunity and also muh taliban
Probably because of Russia terrible declining demographics. He cant wait too long, this was basically Russias last roll of the dice
Battle of carrahea was absolutely fricked, if crassus had a bit more brains he would've annexed parthia with his gargantuan army
Yes Muttistan. Imagine having one of your military ships attacked and 34 of your soldiers killed and then what do you do? You give trillions of dollars to your attacker and provide him with state of the art military tech. Then he seuls your tech to your ennemies and what do you do ? You sacrify trillions and tens of thousands of your soldiers lives to protect him. That is peak humiliation.
The most famous Russian soldiers in the world today are two guys who died while getting/giving a gay head job on drone cam
Yeah, there was the time Russia tried to invade Poland. And if you stretch "living memory", you could include the time Russia lost to the Japanese.
>Russia cunningly applying the old "divide and conquer" strategy
>ukrainebots cheering after every pyrrhic "advance" while losing thousands of soldiers, civilians, vehicles and equipment
>HATObots and troons already claiming victory
Help me reconcile these threads, they make absolutely frickall sense.
>Had any nation suffered military humiliation of this magnitude in living memory?
Iraq getting obliterated in 1991, it was considered le 3rd biggest most powerful army of the world at the time only behind the Soviet Union.
And Russia's considered the 2nd, running itself on Soviet fumes basically
And they're still losing very badly to like 1% of the western inventory, most of it being due for scrapping, being sent to Ukraine
In the beginning of this year Russia swore that they had no plans to attack Ukraine. Now that we have seen how badly they have conducted their war we can conclude that they were speaking the truth: They had no plan whatsoever.
America in Korea, Vietnam, and Afghanistan.
Look up the "Paraguayan War"
They said this after Tsushima and look what happened.
Get ready for a disposed/murdered government, civil war, purges, starvations, purges, and later, Russia will become a military power again.
For a little bit.
The cycle must continue.
Argentina getting its teeth kicked in by the Brits comes to mind but not on par.
Not even close. The Falkland was a pointless bloodbath. 649 Argentine military personnel, 255 British military personnel died. Less than a thousand deaths and 1/3rd of them are British. The Russian military failure in Ukraine is 10,000 destroyed heavy weapons (tanks, apcs, ifvs, engineering, artillery pieces, planes helicopters) and
A QUARTER MILLION Russian KIA, WIA, POW, +OTHER. That is just Russian (its more including light vehicles, drones etc). Russia is now an economic, diplomatic, cultural and military pariah. Only shitboxes like North Korea and Iran and Syria even answer the phone and that is just because they are so fricking lonely, even fat girls like Venezuela and China are texting back saying they are busy. The Falklands was a tragic and complete failure of leadership. Three hundred of the 900 dead are on the belgrano, with hose removed, 42% of the deaths in teh Falklands were British, far from a one sided win. Don't get me wrong, the argentine dictator was a fricking c**t but the British sun reader tier imperial victory resulting in some kids scrapped of the dole in moss side dying for nothing in the middle of nowhere because Thatcher needed and election is fricking sickening. It has nothing in common with the Ukraine war where Zelensky actually tried hard to suggest that Russia would never invade and then fought a genuine war of national defense.
USA in Vietnam
Chased out by a bunch of pajama wearing, rat eating, illiterates with no air support.
If the USA getting fricked in Vietnam counts, then it has to be beaten by the Chinese getting stomped in Vietnam directly after the Americans left, right?
>If the USA getting fricked in Vietnam counts
The USA lost fewere men in Vietnam in ten years than Russia has in six months in Ukraine. It is also very debatable if the USA actually lost in its primary goal of stopping a domino effect of nations being toppled by communist militarism in SE Asia. Where the USA did loose was to Russian subversion domestically but militarily and strategically not so much. They inflicted disproportionate casualties on communist forces and despite Laos and Cambodia falling, the Philippines and Indonesia did not.
>thinking the Philippines was ever going to fall to Communism anyways
The CIA was literally ruling the country for multiple years after the whole "Pretend to be Vampires and fly planes over the commie guerillas while screaming that anyone who supported them would be cursed by magic" thing.
It was not just the Philippines and Indonesia, Thailand, Malaysia etc all held against the communist menace, frequently with considerable political sacrifice though. pol pot killed communism in SE Asia forever though and Laos was no better (people forget the Pathet Lao were plenty fricking evil as well. The US lost 58000 troops in Vietnam but distoyed vast amounts of Russian material and communist fighters and delayed the spread of it to neighbours by ten years. Would Thailand have had its own Misc Pot if the US had not intervened in Vietnam? Where teh US lost was subversion, the 'peace' movement, the campaign for nuclear disarmament, the 50/60s kkk and black panthers, the watts riots, the Toxteth and Brixton riots, the Greenham common women, the miners strikes, the red army faction, the bader meinhof. The same mistake today I see with golden dawn, afd, the brazilian communists, the Irish communists, the british bnp/PA/combat16, the northern league, the Czech communist etc etc etc. They should all be hung they are all traitors and Moscow agents at the top
>Indonesia
>Indonesia
vietnam was a chinese state for centuries
Vietnam is all that's left of the native people of southern China after the Han got done with them.
and why isn't it now?
US fought in Vietnam for twenty years and by the end the Vietcong were pretty much defeated. South Vietnam didn't fall to the Vietcong, they fell to the North Vietnamese Army(who we never fought.) All we had to do was keep a few military bases in South Vietnam to deter North Vietnam, if we did that South Vietnam would still be around today.
>they fell to the North Vietnamese Army(who we never fought.)
Every single country that invaded Afghanistan since the 1980s.
Neither America nor the USSR had lost that many battles in Afghanistan, especially not humiliating ones. They just couldn't establish a firm control over it.
Same case as Afghanistan.
The Tet offensive is considered a Vietcong win nowadays simply because it happened, which meant that Vietcong is still capable of fighting. But it didn't achieve any of its objectives and viets suffered terrrible losses.
You could compare Vietnam to Ukraine if Russians actually only tried to secure Luganda and Donbabwe, and retreated from there after years of constantly btfoing ukros
>Tet
You are a moron. 1) The Tet was done by NVA not VC forces. Thats why it was an orchestrated attack with small units of VC joining and kicking off the fray. 2) The Tet is widely studied as an interesting example of winning the battle and losing the war. 3) The Viets are in no way comparable to Afghanistan. Even as bad as Afghanis got it the Viets got it more. We dropped more bombs in Vietnam than in WWII. And that is why defusal remains a constant skill in the nation. 4) The Viets lost entire generations in their wars to stand alone.
>Had any nation suffered military humiliation of this magnitude in living memory? Russia will never be seen as military power again.
Ukraine should double-down on the humiliation.
Send advisors to train the Georgians and Moldovans on how to fight Russian scum.
Italy losing to fricking Ethiopia
>living memory
No and I don't know of any instance of such a prolonged frick up.
The Maginot line was not a good strategy but there ain't a lot of those guys around anymore.
Hitler over extending into Russia was not a good strategy.
Charge of the light brigade, pretty big oopsie
Darius the 3rd's retreat from Alexander was a pretty big frick up.
Lots of frick ups but I am personally unaware of any ongoing continued frick up of this magnitude.
Except... maybe the cultural one going on in America.
Polish–Soviet War
Not even close. See
See casualties and losses polish-soviet war .It is in the zone and at the time gutted the Bolshevik Red Army that had been victorious in the Russian civil war. It was a monumental defat by Russia by a smaller neighbour that inflicted massive losses.
I'm not saying it wasn't important. It's just nowhere as close in terms of humiliation. Red Army performed much better than modern Russian army plus they had the civil war as an excuse for their logistical issues, while before the ukraine war they had two decades of peace (or at least lack of conventional war).
look i’m no vatnig, but it’s not over yet. What do you think the Germans outside of Moscow were saying in 1941?
>What do you think the Germans outside of Moscow were saying in 1941?
Donnerwetter, Hans! Why didn't we take any fricking winter uniforms?
>Sure wish our supplies would get here
no
You propagandists are so obvious with your spamming it even made meta and Twitter complain to the pentagon.
Remember Russia took the severodonetsk cauldron and your memes had a microscope on the front line talking about how small of victory. Now the hohols take 1 town and look at these posts. Ask Armatard to teach you to make better threads.
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>1 town
>Please ignore the other 10,000km2 in the last month.
The six-day war, especially operation focus, was the most humiliating war of the 20th century. A close second would be Russia's defeat at the battle of Tsushima and the winter war against Finland.
>the winter war
nah, you just suck at history
anything italian or french military (but especially italian) did in 20th century was more embarrassing
According to the NAFO ops on /k/, adding four new territories to your federation is a humiliating defeat?
That’s why even Elon musk is laughing at you guys.
>adding four new territories to your federation is a humiliating defeat?
If you can't defend them, yeah.
Losing those regions must be pretty humiliating for the Ukrainians. Not only were they unable to defend them, they couldn’t even get accepted into the EU or NATO due to having contested territories. It’s going to take a lot more bit posts to elevate Ukraine out of their Africa tier echelons of statehood.
According to ze OSS ops on /k/, adding 700,000 sq km of territory to your empire is a humiliating defeat?
Zat's why even der Italiener is laughing at you guys.
You vill never retake Kyiv, you vill never defeat der Fuhur, und you vill never be ein juden.
Cringed
>implying literally anyone called it Kyiv in 1941
have a nice day
The English spelling of non english words are always going to be phenotically incorrect, did you pitch a hissy fit because its now spelt Xinjiang now instead of Sinkiang?
>xinjiang
must have looked in your .gov shill manual from last year to find that one kek
The push for new Ukraine spellings is a really easy way to spot the massive propaganda campaign, with the added benefit of rallying leftist tards who already substitute letters with X and Y to signal to their fellow tards that they should support something.
Yet I for one enjoy calling it Kyiv as the people who life there would clearly like me to and it also deeply annoys c**ts like you. Perfect. Kyiv it is.
>as the people who life there would clearly like me to
They’d probably rather you invest in English classes so you look less moronic while shilling for them in a foreign country
It is called a typo you sour worthless little ESL It indicates I don't have a lot of respect for you and could not be bothered proof reading on your behalf. To me you are at best a domestic servant and at worst a feral and worthless animal.
Next time start by having a little respect for yourself for once. No one cares how a seething fountain of verbal diarrhea like yourself thinks Kiev should be spelled.
There are worse blinders, but I can't think of many worse humiliations.
Worst blunder, which I am too tired to explain in detail, is that Austria 100% had a chance to win the Austro-Prussian War at Koniggratz.
Everyone remembers the needle guns, no one recalls that Austrian artillery outranged the Prussian guns and pinned down their center. Officers BEGGED Benecuck to be allowed to attack but he dithered while the Prussians force marched the rest of their army over several miles from a railhead. If he attacks the Prussian earlier, before reinforcements came to strengthen the center (the freshly arrived 8th broke the late and half hearted counter attack), then Prussians loses and 100,000 men strung out over miles get hit by surprise in a huge rout. Austria wins the war and the Germans that produced all the art and culture unify Germany instead of the autists. WWI and II never happen, I'm posting from Mars, and a glorious Austrian super state that stretches from Denmark to Greece has helped keep Europe the most peaceful continent on Earth for over a century.
No it's just the Russian army catching up with the Navy, and economy.
Is this worse or better than Britain losing Signapore to the Japanese in like 5 days because they didn't think you could plan an attack through the Jungle?
The British suffered about 5k dead but many 10's of thousands of POWs who were then brutalised for the rest of the war, worked to death and occasionally eaten
Britain and Commonwealth forces eventually drove the Japanese back out again though. Don't think the Russians will be doing that
*The Japanese were never drove out of Singapore, but the Commonwealth checked their advance and eventually won out jn Burma and Malaya
can someone give a qrd as to why losing the war would cause political instability within Russia?
You could occupy moscow and they'll still win in the end.
Is /k/ mostly useful idiots or bots?
Bwahahaha, that frick really lost it, huh?
You'll stop laughing when your stinking body is burning in nuclear fire.
Didn't one nation like piss off all the other South Americans nations and lost like 50% of its male populace in the war and still hasn't recovered?
Paraguay under Francisco Solano Lopez, yes.
But this is still more embarrassing because Russia has been hyped up as a serious superpower, they had years to plan it out, the scale is global, etc.
After the Paraguayan War, the total populace of the nation was After the war 221,079.
Females made up: 106,254
Males made up: 28,746
Women outnumbered men 4 to 1. IMAGINE if they started pushing native culture revival and harems.
good bread. learned a lot. than/k/s lads