I placed a bid on gun broker for some magazines. After I placed my bid I noticed that the seller only accepts USPS money order, I immediately contacted the seller asking if he could retract my bid because I do not want to use USPS money order, his response was pretty sketchy and he told me to use PayPal family and friends or venmo instead and that he would not retract my bid. He then told me that I can trust him and that he sells on gunbroker all the time, but when I checked his profile he has only sold like 10 items over the past couple years. I am pretty sketched out by this and I do not want to pay him, I contacted gun broker support and explained the situation and they pretty much told me to get fricked. If I use a VPN and make another account to bid over myself and not pay whay are the chances GB will recognize that its me on an alt and ban my accounts?
>Is this a scam
Yes. If you ask the answer is yes.
I know its a scam. I'm asking how I can get out of it. GB told me to get fricked
you can send him a USPS money order you fricking moron.
Do you think GB is going to send a hit squad to kill you if you don't pay or something? Just don't pay.
I dont want my account to get banned, im contemplating outbidding myself on an alt but I don't want GB to figure out its me based on the IP
Link to the auction homosexual.
See
Link to the auction homosexual.
They literally won't care, holy shit you aren't important enough to even look up an IP address for. Pay up or deal with being a fricking moronic dysfunctional brat.
it'll take more than one bid-no pay to get you banned. only problem is itll stay on your gb feed for a whiiiiiile telling you you owe money
Just use a money order you dumbass zoomer
Ok ill send money to a seller who I suspect of scamming.
Yeah
Frick ya mudda
frick ya mudda
>send a usps money order to yourself
>take a picture of the receipt
>photoshop the sellers details in
>don't send him anything
>tell gunbroker you DID send him the money
>show receipt for proof
>one less "money order only" boomer on gunbroker
Just don't pay. There's no consequences other than a report to GB from the seller, and if the seller is sketchy like you say, he'll probably just accept the loss and move on to the next moron.
You zoomers need to realize that a lot of this money shit is just fake. There are literally no real-world consequences for not paying a debt, flaking out on a seller, etc.
I'm thinking of doing that on an alt
Yea we didn't learn how to abuse the system. Boomers rack up debt and don give a frick. It's like the guys with lifted trucks that keep getting repo'd but somehow they end up getting money.
This
I won an item once and just ghosted that dude because I found the same shit cheaper elsewhere
Never got banned or anything
so how were you expecting to pay? personal cheque?
Every other auction I've bid on there had had the credit card option, this is the first time I saw money order only so I didn't even think to check before bidding
Being able to buy gun stuff from private sellers is with a credit card is rare. The average joe doesn't have a commercial credit card processing setup and services like PayPal or venmo, etc, explicitly ban their services for being used for gun stuff. Money orders are the norm for this kind of thing. I'm not sure why you think this is a scam.
Gunbroker Pay exists.
Money orders were common for online purchases before Paypal/etc. took off. I used money orders all the time for Ebay in the 90s and had no issues.
Also, you mentioned this is for magazines. I hope you didn't create this entire paranoid thread over a $50 auction.
He's probably scared of going to the post office.
>I didn't read the listing thouroughly
>it's a scam
please read the following and then KYS:
/k/'s /k/ommandments of Gunbroker:
1) Thy seller shall have a multitude of ratings.
2) Those ratings shall be overwhelmingly positive.
3) Thou shalt not buy a used gun that is sold AS-IS.
4) If thy seller does not offer a no fault(except shipping) inspection period thou shalt walk away.
5) Thine seller will listeth his policies and thou shalt readeth of them in their full and after thy reading shall adhereth to them.
6) If thou has questions of any type thou wilt asketh them of thine seller before any bid is placed.
Best of luck and may god have mercy on your soul.
You missed out on by far the most important: DON'T PAY EXCEPT BY CREDIT CARD. Then you always have chargebacks in the worst case. CC companies do not give a flying shit about merchants and will cheerfully screw them in your favor for better or worse particularly if you're high tier. And of they try to change the payment after you have a cut and dry violation.
You stupid fricking zoomers are unbelievable. How do you think online sales worked before credit card payments were standardized?
This is how gun broker works moron, I've made dozens of purchases with money orders and PayPal friends and family and never had a problem
This basically
I was using my credit card for online purchases over 20 years ago, companies that didn't accept them weren't worth dealing with.
Auctions sure as shit changed that.
Went through something very similar to you.
>see Unica 6
>bid
>win
>realize that this seller only has ONE previous sale
>he says the only payment options are through money order and check
>get super sketched out because I don’t want to send $6k via mail and hope I get my gun
>plus I was unrated so I’m sure he was sketched out too
>find out about Bitrail through gunbroker
>they act as a middleman and you pay through the site so it’s insured by gunbroker
>pain in the ass to set up at first, but he says that sounds good and we both set up an account
>I pay, he sends the gun and I got a mateba waiting for me at my FFL
>I also got my first A+ rating now
Just get him to set up the gunbroker-pay account through gunbroker. It’s the safest option if you’re scared
I did ask him about BitRail when I contacted him and he refused, thats when he suggested PayPal family and friends or venmo
That sounds sketchy.
What reason did he give for his refusal???
He didn't say why. He just ignored it and suggested PayPal and venmo
Just sounds like a bad seller
Make a burner account, outbid yourself, and then don’t pay. Next time make sure the seller is willing to work with you for payment options or use credit card
>Next time make sure to read the fricking instructions
Look if the seller wants my money, there’s no reason he wouldn’t be able to accommodate my payment method (gunbroker pay). It’s literally the safest and most efficient option
>there’s no reason he wouldn’t be able to accommodate my payment method (gunbroker pay)
maybe it has fees he doesn't want to pay. There is no dimension where this isn't your fault for not reading the listing thoroughly. You fricked up and then expect the seller to fix your frick up. Maybe if he really needed the money he would. Apparently he doesn't. deal with it.
I’m not OP. But anyway, the seller is not entitled to my money.
It’s not my job to make your life easier. Have fun not getting paid because you refuse to do something fricking simple to accommodate someone that wants to pay you
All you're doing is justifying a breach of contract, which you agree to when you make a bid. I guess that's fine, but don't complain when someone else does that to you.
He'll just sell his mags to the next guy while enjoying his continued access to the platform. One more zoomer being gatekept by a trip to the post office is no skin off his back.
>It’s not my job to make your life easier.
ALL YOU DID WAS MAKE EVERYTHING HARDER BY NOT READING THE FRICKING LISTING
Maybe he just didn't need a sale bad enough to bother registering at a new site? Sellers don't need to accommodate you unless they feel like it. You're not that special.
Why wouldn't he remove my bid like I asked him then? I explained my situation to him and why I had concerns
Because you being illiterate and stupid isn't his problem. Send money order, receive magazines. Don't send money order, get reported for nonpayment and Gunbroker leg breakers will come to your house some night next week.
go back to this:
and see where YOU fricked up. It's literally not his problem you're a moron.
meant for
You can't remove bids on gunbroker, dumbass. Only gunbroker admins can do that. Once you place a bid, even if the seller blocks you as a bidder, you can still potentially win the item if nobody else bids. You are so fricking stupid its incredible, if you need your hand held this much you shouldn't even own guns you zoomer homosexual.
Most private sales on tacswap, gunbroker, falfiles, akfiles, arfcom, gunboards etc all have similar terms of sale as yours. USPS Money Order, Paypal/Venmo f&f, Zelle, or CashApp. Your layman can't accept credit cards as we aren't businesses.
Gunbroker closed this program.
When you put "for gunbroker item #812349283" in the comment, it will be automatically flagged, and both of your accounts banned. Or if he does scam you and you "make a claim," then they will ban your account immediately with no recourse because you broker their terms of service.
>for gunbroker item #812349283" in the comment, it will be automatically flagged, and both of your accounts banned
This shit happened to me with paypal cause of a dumb buyer and they closed my account like a week later and took the money from the transaction so I was out the item and money since I shipped already. Idk why paypal is so antigun. Maybe its cause theyre cali based
No they didn’t. I literally used gunbroker pay a couple weeks ago.
I tried to sign up for it a few weeks ago and all I found were pages saying they discontinued the program. Maybe they're letting the people who already signed up for it continue using it for a while.q
I literally signed up and paid on the 5th so idk
I recently dealt with a Texas gun shop that was a complete scam. Sent photos of a station 6 from reddit when I asked for verification. good luck op
Oh shiiieeeeeet I almost ordered from them.
I ordered a station six from arms unlimited instead (they’re supposedly legit) so hopefully that wasn’t a scam
Arms unlimited is legit, sometimes their prices are fricked sometimes their great but they've always delivered
I didn’t pay for something once cause of the same thing, the boomer reported my account and I got a A- minus rating which got me banned for 3 years. GB literally said that’s the reason for the ban, non payment and a low buyer rating. Apparently anything less than A++ is grounds to get banned cause it means your a scammer
its fine, its a felony to fraud someone thru USPS so you're gonna get your money back 100% if its a scam
if you weren't a fricking zoomer homosexual you'd have already known this
PayPal business has a 3% fee. Pay him 103% of the bid and shipping amount and if he israelites you make a claim with PayPal and get your money back. They always side with the buyer.
He wanted to use family and friends, so there would be no buyer protection
>He wanted to use family and friends
because
paypal will ban you for using their service for gun shit if they catch you.
Wow, that is stupid. I will not use them anymore.
Goods and Services, not business
Paypal doesn't allow gun related purchases. If you tell them you got scammed buying a gun they will tell you to frick off and ban you. There's no buyer protection from them either way.
I ran into the exact same thing. I ordered extractors. He pulled the same scam. Scumbags. I could give two fricks about gunjoker. frick them I ended up getting them from some texas gun or something for half the price.
Just don't pay him. It's 100% that simple. Why are you getting wrapped around the axel on this? I've not paid sellers on gunbroker several times because of obviously shady shit like this. There are 0 consequences for it. It's not like GB has a collections goon squad that'll come to break your kneecaps.
>obviously shady shit
>listing says USPS money order only
>win auction
>refuse to use USPS money order
The shady one here is you you dumb fricking zoomer.
Zoomers are literal Black folk. No wonder a fifth of you little queers want to grow breasts and suck wieners when you’re incapable of reading simple instructions.
I have used USPS money orders to buy a few thousand dollars worth of stuff on gunbroker.
You'll be fine zoomer.
>Selling rare things, very cheap.
>I ONLY ACCEPT CASH-EQUIVALENT PAYMENTS THROUGH SERVICES THAT DO NOT PROTECT THE BUYER IN ANY WAY.
Cash works, because if someone doesn't hand you what you've paid for, you have to ability to hold them accountable right then and there.
Cash-equivalent services for online purchases? No. These guys saying "just go to the post office" and "just do a money order lol" are fricking morons, they are exactly the people scammers are looking for, small-brained boomers who trust anonymous Black folk on the internet with their cash.
They are the guys who lose, and cry, and come to scream about how they were diligently scammed by a 1000IQ super-foreigner who must have been targeting them for years to possibly achieve such a masterful plan!
If someone only accepts payment through means that don't protect you, they can go frick themselves. They're either stupid or malicious; why abide either?
>DO NOT PROTECT THE BUYER IN ANY WAY.
Wrong, you stupid zoomer.
People go to federal pound me in the ass prison for mail fraud dude
Yeah, the feds often go to Nigeria to recover funds and make arrests.
You're not sending a money order to Nigeria, it's David the obese 60 year old from Ohio.
>Do not protect the buyer
You have to show your ID to cash a USPS money order, defrauding someone through that system would be a fricking felony you blubbering moron. Try it and see how you like being raped to death by a pack of feral postal inspectors.
So they cash the money order, then what? Do they have to exchange the item to be shipped for the cash or something? Frick no they don't.
Jamal walks away paid and doesn't give a frick, and you have no recourse. You can try, you will fail, he's already in another state with another fake as frick ID, hitting his crack pipe.
>What happens if I commit a crime and just change my ID lmao
What’s so hard with just admitting you’re moronic? Or are you actually a Hispanic who doesn’t have an ID and is incapable of sending or receiving money orders?
>Jamal
>Has to provide ID
>Has to go on camera
>Has to defraud the postal service and risk 20 years in prison
Black folk aren't running scams on GunBroker you fricking moron. It's boomers that don't want to pay for processing fees or learn how to use a payment processor.
>But muh Black folk
You are a Black person.
You've never been to a post office outside of your little bubble in Los Angeles have you?
>Cameras
>Actually providing ID
Good one anon, you almost had me going there.
Basic buckbroken Black person response. You got obliterated in this thread you homosexual moron. Just hide it and shit up a different thread.
>t. Bought dozens of things via GunBroker with USPS money order
Yeah, what Black person or pajeet is scamming people on GunBroker for inexpensive items?
postal inspectors love these cases btw
>You have to show your ID to cash a USPS money order, defrauding someone through that system would be a fricking felony you blubbering moron. Try it and see how you like being raped to death by a pack of feral postal inspectors.
This, those postal inspectors dont mess around. i think they have the highest conviction rates of any law enforcement agency.
lol this reads like "WAAAAA I WANT THIS BUT IT'S MORE WORK THAN I WANT TO DO FOR IT IT'S NOT FAIR"
then you don't want it. move on.
Money order fraud is prosecuted pretty consistently. You have better protection with money orders than you do with debit cards.
Please cite something to back this, because I don't believe it one bit, and Google ain't finding shit. I think you're talking out of your ass because you're 120 years old and Money Orders were such a major part of your childhood.
You sound like a moronic zoomer.
There's a world that still exists outside of tiktok and cellphones.
https://www.usps.com/shop/money-orders.htm
Replacing Lost, Stolen, or Damaged Money Orders
Lost or Stolen Money Orders
You cannot stop payment on postal money orders, but a lost or stolen money order can be replaced.
Money order loss or theft may take up to 30 days to confirm.
Investigating a money order's lost or stolen status may take up to 60 days.
There is a $6.95 processing fee to replace a lost or stolen money order.
Requesting a Refund
Take your money order receipt to any Post Office location.
Talk to a retail associate at the counter to start a Money Order Inquiry.
After starting the inquiry, you will be able to check the status of your money order and inquiry progress by visiting the Money Orders Application.
When your money order is confirmed lost or stolen, we’ll issue you a rep
Sounds like they charge you money to replace your money-order when a mail carrier loses it or your mail gets stolen, doesn't sound like they care what the money-order is actually being used for.
Banks also charge you for a new card when it gets lost or stolen. What’s your point?
Doesn't sound like they in any way protect you from scams.
The page that was linked to doesn't describe any protection to the buyer at all.
If your money order goes to the person you sent it to, I highly doubt that qualifies as "stolen." Sounds more like "your problem" not theirs.
>When your money order is confirmed lost or stolen, we’ll issue you a rep
How old are you? Are you white?
Money order goes to person who you sent it to, at what point is it lost or stolen?
Money orders don't come with implicit contracts for services, it's you voluntarily handing money to someone else.
Unless they've totally changed how money orders work in the last 20 years, I don't see what's confusing about this.
Common law includes understood contracts like the interaction between buyer and seller. Your comment is as stupid as saying
>I ate at a restaurant, but don't have to pay because I didn't sign a contract.
The contract is implicit and enforceable, which is what makes it mail fraud.
That's exactly what I do at stores and restaurants, I haven't paid for anything in decades.
https://ehome.uspis.gov/fcsexternal/default.aspx
You fill out this if you are scammed and it involves a USPS money order.
They were just committing wire fraud before they involved the USPS at which point they committed mail fraud when you mailed them the USPS money order for merchandise or services that you did not receive. The USPS inspectors are up there on the list of federal law enforcement you don't want to frick with.
Holy shit something constructive, thank you, this is helpful.
Correct, it's just a way to provide a verifiable money motion service.
I've made dozens of purchases on GunBroker using money order without any issues. Also USPS money order scamming is a felony. Just look at the sellers feedback and as long as they don't have many negatives, you should be fine
Holy shit man you do not frick with the postal service. They will frick you so hard in the ass
Don't pay him. Paypal Friends and Family is always a scam unless you're using it with friends and family or you intended to use it from the start.
USPS Money order is pretty much the norm on GunBroker for most private sellers as they don't have credit card processing systems set up. PayPal is antigun and will ban you and take your funds if they find out your selling guns or gun stuff with their system.
It's the norm for shitheads who can't take credit cards, which any American can for a significantly lower fee than PayPal and other "fake-banks".
If someone wants to sell shit but won't take 10 minutes to provide a safe and convenient method of payment, they don't actually want to sell shit.
"I'm lazy, pay me, maybe I'll ship something idk"
Setting up a payment processor as an individual seller who occasionally tosses something up on a forum or gunbroker which the majority of these people are is a massive pain and you still incur fees for doing so.
You're the only one here being lazy complaining about how it's too hard for you to get a USPS money order moron.
>all the moron boomers ITT who can't recognize an obvious scam
If its a private seller just ask them to take a picture of the item they're selling next to their photo id/today's newspaper/his dick, etc to verify they're legit. 9 times out of 10 the scammer doesn't actually own whatever they're trying to sell so they will either refuse for no good reason, or try to send you a hilariously photoshopped image.
I did this once with someone trying to sell an m4 and they sent me the same stock picture as on the listing with an absolutely atrocious fake ID literally just mspainted onto the image. I would post it but unfortunately last time I did I got banned because the mods are morons
>can't recognize an obvious scam
says "payment accepted: USPS money order"
OP: hurr durr BUY NOW....wait I don't wanna pay by USPS mail order
OP: hey seller I don't wanna pay by USPS money order
: okay idiot then pay this way
OP: no I don't wanna pay like that it's a scam
: okay frick off then
OP to his internet friends: WHY DOES BOOMER SCAM I?
lol
>>
Fricking dumbass zoomies. Whenever I sell on gunbroker I ask for usps money orders eventhough theyre slow because Paypal can randomly block your account for selling gun related items at their discretion and freeze all your money.
>After I placed my bid I noticed that the seller only accepts USPS money order
i only ever accept usps money orders. and its always written in the description. if you didnt read then its your fault
I've literally used USPS money orders for over 2 decades, through Gunbroker and even fricking Shotgun News mail order catalogs.
Have never once been scammed, not even dissatisfied with a purchase.
Any butthole can accept credit cards, tons of services make it accessible for fricking TINY fees, way better than PayPal.
It's been like this for about a decade now.
Square, Stripe, Toast, Lightspeed, Revel, Epos, ShopKeep, Clover....
Do you not pay your crack dealer with credit card? He's behind the times.
Try using any of the buyer protections on those when you buy a gun lol
The Obama admin put a shitload of pressure on payment processors to forbid those kinds of transactions
The difference between a credit card fraud charge and a mail tampering charge are pretty significant. Even Black folk know not to frick with mail especially not over fifty fricking dollars you subhuman moron
Money orders are good as cash, they are quasi-bearer instruments so even if they cash them you still have to prove they needed to do something and they used the money order to defraud you. A postal inspector won’t do anything to help you prove that.
That's trivially easy with the email chain of communication and GunBroker auction.
A money order scam is wire fraud and will land you in federal.
younggays be like "world should work this way"
oldgays be like "it doesn't though and never has"
younggays "REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE"
Pretty much how every generation is . Same reason why there's so many young bleeding heart liberals whining about how we should spend other people's money
>People younger than me are dumb, I'm smart though.
>People older than me are dumb, I'm smart though
>Pooped my pants
Literally yes. Please go find a chart that shows the decline in IQ over the years. Also factor in education is worse now than ever before and bio-contamination has plunged test levels in young men to old man levels. Young gays have been fricked every way possible.
>people buying guns online
homosexuals don't carry cash anymore I guess
Ship a wad of cash through the mail and see what can happen.
>homosexual gets guns mailed to his FFL
There's lots of guns out there and not all of them are in your area.
That is not a scam, you are just a gigantic dipshit gorilla Black person. I have hundreds of transactions done through gunbroker over the years on everything from manuals to $5k firearms both as a buyer and seller. I've only has 2 issues with people, one of whom put the wrong receiving address on their gunbroker account and I ended up getting my money orders back a few weeks later since they had never been delivered. What you're describing is standard procedure for those wishing to sell as a private individual and don't have access to a credit card payment processor. Most people will either take some form of digital money transfer such as PayPal or the old way in a Money Order, specifically a USPS one as they're federally backed. You cannot rescind bids on Gunbroker, once you place that bid you're locked in. A seller can't delete your bid as that's not a function of gunbroker, and also defeats the purpose of the auction terms of service. Pic related, it's you dumbass.
Pretty much this.
Why the frick would you bid on something without reading the description?
This is how people end up as Human CENTiPADs.
Pic related, that's OP in the green hat.
You know you can refund USPS money orders, right?
Go to anyplace that has free Wi-Fi, make a new account and outbid yourself. Then read the seller details next time.
Also, money orders are for high-trust-society boomers who don’t realize we’ve moved into a low-trust-society with a dysfunctional justice system. I’m sure the USPS Sealing Tape Team Six will launch Operation Eagle Grasp to reclaim your $50 if the seller cashed out but doesn’t post.
>I’m sure the USPS Sealing Tape Team Six will launch Operation Eagle Grasp to reclaim your $50 if the seller cashed out but doesn’t post
You're joking but they literally will. As far as government agencies I don't want to frick around with go, it's USPS and the Department of Weights and Measures.
>tfw work at the postal service
>postal inspectors need some welding done
>start bullshitting with them
>out of 4 guys, 2 were former secret service, 1 was FBI, 1 was CIA
The USPIS is apparently full of legitimate glowBlack folk using it as a retirement job, not people id frick with tbh
Yes. Additionally due to their ridiculous levels of jurisdiction they also do some absurd surveillance programs like iCOP that they just funnel over to other feds if it isn't relevant to them.
I tried making an alt but they require a phone number now, im just not going to pay. I just hope the ban isn't too long
>he chose this ending, despite overwhelming evidence that USPS money orders are the de-facto norm, and even in the event you were scanned you'd get your money reimbursed
Honestly at this point just link the auction so I can outbid you, you fricking Black person
Just pay holy shit dude, you are stubborn as frick.
Just don’t fricking pay him, moron.
it is a scam, report them for being a scam.
>usps money order
Normal.
>paypal ff or venmo on the dl
Also normal.
The reason for the above is, unlike ebay, Gunbroker does not facilitate payment, nor does Paypal officially allow sales for guns. If you own a business and have the ability to charge people's credit cards directly, then it's fine. For ordinary people selling on gunbroker, we're kind of fricked. No good options. However, usps money order protects you by means of, if you get scammed, then it's mail fraud and a federal crime. Paypal friends and family or venmo offer no protection to you, but are commonly used. For example, I sold a gun on AK Files not too long ago for ~$2000 and the buyer paid me by paypal ff.
>wouldn't retract your bid
Kind of shitty, but he's not obligated to.
>only sold 10 items over the past couple years
*only has feedback for 10 items. a lot of people don't leave feedback.
>gunbroker support
Yeah, they are buttholes. They will let him file a non-paying bidder strike against your account, which will probably get you banned from the site, but they won't do anything for you that would stop them from making money.
>vpn to make a secondary gunbroker account
Very unlikely to be able to
>shill bid yourself out of the running
Have a noguns friend or family member do it--someone who doesn't mind their account being banned when they don't pay.
>zooomers don't know how USPS money orders work and are fricking scared of them
lmfao
I’ve used more USPS money orders on that site than I could count. It’s easy but it’s snail mail.
Just don't pay it and never use GunBroker again.
Hey is there any way to look up past gunbroker sales longer than 90 days ago?
So...you're the one that didn't/won't comply with the stipulations of the auction, you you think HE's being the shady one?
Most people only took USPS money order on Gunbroker for a long time because of how hostile banks and other processing methods were to firearm related sales.
He's asking for PayPal Gift/Venmo because it's easy to hide what the purchase is for if the buyer isn't moronic. You are the weird one for not just sending a USPS MO.
J U S T D O N T P A Y Y O U C O C K S U C K I N G N I G G E R
Just uhh
Don't pay homosexual