Germany has greenlighted the transfor of 20 Leopard 2A4 from Spain to Ukraine.

Germany has greenlighted the transfor of 20 Leopard 2A4 from Spain to Ukraine.
Which would make it the first western tank in Ukraine.

  1. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >greenlighted

  2. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >transfor

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      haha pepe

  3. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Finally

  4. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    20 is enough for training, not for actual use.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Poland will transfer their Leopards for even more Abrams?

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Fuck off, we are out.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      That's how all these transfers begin, look at the 4 initial HIMARS for example.

      https://i.imgur.com/itMWXZI.jpg

      Germany has greenlighted the transfor of 20 Leopard 2A4 from Spain to Ukraine.
      Which would make it the first western tank in Ukraine.

      Any source?

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Spain has 300 or so Leopard 2’s total so this is the first and last transfer from Spain to Ukraine. Maybe they can get some leopards from other countries, but that could cause logistical idduest

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >this is the first and last
          don't say anything for sure, these could just be for training them up first before blowing the floodgates open

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          How different are Leopard 2s from different countries from a training and logistics pov?

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            They are all pretty much the same but they may have different radios/optics or MGs, shit like that.

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Depends more on the generation/version and not so much the countries

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            All that changes is where the "on" switch is for the eight billion different functionally identical subsystems.

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Not the difference between different nations, because all my L2 experience was with German ones. I did however go from a Leopard 1 (That was still labeled in German after 40 years of having them) to a Leopard 2 that was very nicely labeled in English and was more confused by having to unlearn the German names for stuff than the conversion from the L1 to L2 gunnery.

            The drivers... yeah that's completely fucking different same for the CC and loaders.

            The difference between a L1 and L2A5/6 for a gunner is that the gunners control panels are in different locations. The L1 has them stacked while the L2 has the bottom panel to the right. Also one switch that did nothing on the L1 is the control for the L2's automatic off angle turret adjustment.
            When the turret is turned to either side and the tank is moving forward if you were to use a lead lock (which the FCC uses to calculate the angular velocity of a target you are tracking to ensure your gun leads them enough) you will be reading into the FCC a false velocity because you are having to account for your own vehicle's movements. With the switch on the FCC takes the reported speed from the engine, your angle off from center and your current range (either manually or laser) on the FCC to automatically turn the turret slightly. The closer the range, the faster the tank is moving and the more to directly 90 degrees off center you are the faster the turret turns automatically.

            The switch on the L2 turns that on and off, while in the L1 it just didn't have that functionality so the switch does nothing.

            If I didn't make it clear the panels the gunner uses are exactly the same. All the same switches in the same location with the same function other than the one. At least going from a very modern Leopard 1 to an L2.

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Out of those 100 are Leopards 2A4 which are in storage since Spain uses the Leopard 2e mainly. So there are plenty more tanks to send.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Poland has 250 waiting and they won't need them with Abrams and K2 on the way.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      20, and see what happens.
      If they captured. Zero more.
      If they die too quick. Maybe no more.
      If they don't get kills. No more.
      If they get good K:D ratios... The floodgates will open.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        And other things g*rmans tell themselves at night before going to bed

  5. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >greenlit
    >need approval from Germany to send X to Ukraine
    Germany literally owns Europe and anyone who says otherwise is coping and/or delusional.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >Germany literally owns Europe

      yes, zat has been ze plan all along

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Those were German Leopards 2 sold to Spain in the 90s. Weapons sale contracts with Germany always include a clause which lets Germans decide whether you can resell their weapons or not.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Yeah they were sold to Spain. Spain owns them. That contract clause is extremely cucked.

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          well dont agree to the contract then and buy something else. it aint like the leopard is the only tank in the world. theres always 2 sides to a contract

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          and 100% normal in contracts. or do you want turkey to sell some f35s to Iran Russia and china because "they own them"

          if you dont like it buy T-monkeymodels

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Turkey doesn't have F-35s though. They got kicked out from the program.

            • 3 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              I know I just used it as an example for a dodgy country that might have actually gotten them.

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Well that's what Germans want in their contracts. If you want to resell shit gotta buy French or American.

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >If you want to resell shit gotta buy French or American.
            You think you can just freely resell American equipment?
            Lmao

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Maybe.
      In 1940 Walther Funk, german minister of finance talked about a post war economic plan to bind europe together and to germany which included:
      >a common european currency decoupled from the gold value
      >a focus on europe as market for german quality goods
      >a need for free trade regulations
      >a clearing system for inner european import and export

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      It's pretty much praxis that you need the ok from the producer if you are going to export any weapons etc that is not domestically produced

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Sure

  6. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    How good are Leopard 2s against Soviet trash?

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      should be capable of fighting pretty much all of them, unless the Armatas (lmao) / T-90s (if any are left) / T80Us...

      but of course it will need training, logistics and proper tactics, so might be less effective than it could be. keep in mind that the ukies are familiar with the soviet style tanks, not the western ones

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Extremely bad. They are going to be just as vulnerable to RPG fire and will probably get abandoned much more often due to their sheer weight. Your “tank on tank kino” probably won’t happen

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Holy shit the cope.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        There are multiple examples of Abrams or Challenger taking a dozen RPGs like it's nothing. Leo2 is pretty much the same shit.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      The main difference between any T-72 and Leo 2A4 is user friendliness of the German tank. Crew in Soviet tanks is cramped inside. Leopards are much more comfortable and has space not only for Russian mongol midgets

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      It's comfy inside. Really. Except for the turret hydraulics leaking there aren't much issues. Also very simple to use, basically point (well steer) at target, keep in target reticule, laser, shoot with super high hit probability. Night vision is also not bad for it's time.

      Issues with the a4:
      - Hydraulic turret, sometimes hydraulic lines leak
      - Commander has independent sight but no own thermal sight.
      - Commander taking over gun from gunner (he can also just do classic hunt and then assign target to gunner) has no computer support but must know how much to aim up/to the side to compensate distance, target's movement by heart.
      - Another hydraulics drawback: if not full on, the turret has a half on standby-mode where the hydraulics keep being charged so you can move the turret around quickly, but need to do fine adjustments by hand with hand wheels and of course have no computer.
      - Has no first laser echo switch like the A5, so lasering helicopters doesn't work well.
      - Original A4 thermals need to be cooled down to very cold so they take a while to come online and need power.

      Basically in full on mode the tank is working perfect for the gunner. It should be able see and engage all targets on the battlefield wo problems. During daylight it's very good with hunter/killer working (non thermal), During night the commander can't really do the hunting part. And if the commander must shot because of a dire situation he needs to be very experienced to hit the target.

      I was a gunner so no idea about driving, but hella fast forwards and backwards. Can engage and hit very well while driving.

      The whole tank was designed to engage the russian tamk offensive while being in a numerical disadvantage so the optics and fire control is good because every hit counts. Standing around getting hit by rpgs was not the plan.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        High quality post, thanks anon.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Insightful and appreciated

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >Hydraulic turret, sometimes hydraulic lines leak
        The only time they leak is if they are damaged. Also they do not have lines running all over
        You might as well say that electrical lines sometimes short out.

        >Commander has independent sight but no own thermal sight.
        But does have a duplicate of the gunners sight and the commander can directly control the gunners sight.

        >Commander taking over gun from gunner... has no computer support
        Or the commander lays the gun on target and tells the gunner to shoot at it.

        >Another hydraulics drawback: if not full on, the turret has a half on standby-mode where the hydraulics keep being charged so you can move the turret around quickly, but need to do fine adjustments by hand with hand wheels and of course have no computer.
        This is false in part. Without stabilization on the gun isn't following the sight head, but all the power controls are identical. When you laze a target the sight head jumps to the correct distance offset requiring the gunner to relay the target. When stab is on the gun jumps to the correct position and the sight stays on target.
        In short Stab Off has FCC and power controls.

        To avoid smashing stuff (mine rollers) on the front I would run stab off with my range set to 4000m so the barrel was up, If I lazed something closer than my manual range my sight with jump up to match the gun. If I go stab on then laze the gun would drop.

        >Has no first laser echo switch like the A5, so lasering helicopters doesn't work well.
        True and false. It doesn't have the first return, but you can relaze if you think the range is completely wrong and you will sometimes get a valid return, or you can just guess, or fire a canister shot that is fired without range correction.

        >Original A4 thermals need to be cooled down to very cold so they take a while to come online and need power.
        Which is identical to how all thermal sights work. Thermals see blackbody radiation and need to be cooled to near absolute zero.

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >fire a canister shot
          I want that, i need to see this, i want to see a video of a Leopard killing a russian helicopter with a canister shot. I know, it's not gonna happen, but let me dream.

  7. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Where are the Marders, you fucking krauts?

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      The marders will never be sent Ukraine, they´ll be sent to some other nation which then dumps it´s slavshit on Ukraine.

      Supposedly 30 out of a 100 are nearing the end of their refurbishment phase.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Fuck Marders, where are the WIESELS?

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        i want wiesel kino so bad bros

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Please, no.
        If the Wiesels get gifted to Ukraine, we'll never be able to buy any.

  8. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >make claims
    >provides no link

  9. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    fake and gay

  10. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    bump

  11. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Oh fuck yes, now I'm hard.

  12. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    I thought germany supplied ukraine with leopard 1a5s? What happened to those?

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      There are no ammo for those in Germany, and Turkey and Greece refused to give theirs.

  13. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    These are the precursor to Poland mass transferring a bunch of Leopard 2s. They're getting a lot of Abrams to replace all their PT91 and T72 fleet as the K2PL will take a while to actually enter service. I suspect that we will give Poland a bunch of A1 or A2 Abrams following our initial 250 unit sale and will replace them with the new next gen Abrams General Dynamics is publicly unveiling in a few months.

    Interesting and overlooked development: Germans offered Chile the license to manufacture the Lynx and a new generation MBT locally through the Chilean state owned FAMAE arms group. Chile was looking to replace their whole Leopard 2A4 and Marder fleet over the next decade. They have a lot of spare procurement funding from rare earth metal mining. I think we could see Chile giving a lot of their Leopards to Ukraine for some back room deal where they are allowed to produce the KF51 at a discounted rate. Rheinmetall has already been very outspoken about their desire to support Ukraine even when the German government has cowered from doing so. This could be their passive aggressive way of doing so.

  14. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >But Germany is full of cucks
    >They just talk the talk without walking the walk

  15. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >19 hours and still no source
    >19 hours and PrepHole has been spammed by the shill brigade with 30+ threads about this
    So I guess it's fake.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >hasn't* been spammed
      whatever it's 6am

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      https://i.imgur.com/itMWXZI.jpg

      Germany has greenlighted the transfor of 20 Leopard 2A4 from Spain to Ukraine.
      Which would make it the first western tank in Ukraine.

      Germanfag here, only thing i can find on german websites about it on google was one article on esut.de, but the article has been deleted:
      https://esut.de/2022/07/meldungen/35548/zehn-leopard-2-a4-und-20-m113-aus-spanien-fuer-die-ukraine/
      I suspect the whole story was a nothingburger.

  16. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Who are gonna drive them?

    Will we soon have western mercenaries with fake IDs fighting in ukraine?

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >still spamming the mercenaries meme months after the "aiden aslin is a western mercenary fighting for the SAS to murder donbass civilians" was debunked

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