>https://esut.de/en/2024/05/meldungen/49404/erster-schwerer-waffentraeger-infanterie-an-die-bundeswehr-uebergeben/
Well that was fast
Germany gets first Schweren Waffentrger
>https://esut.de/en/2024/05/meldungen/49404/erster-schwerer-waffentraeger-infanterie-an-die-bundeswehr-uebergeben/
Well that was fast
So it is a lav with a 40mm gun?
Boxer with 30mm autocannon and 2x Spike
it replaces the Wiesel with 20mm/Spike as fire support for the infantry
What happened to heavy systems being +150mm?
>let's replace tiny tracked vehicle with a gigantic wheeled box
because why would you have the tiny tracked vehicle that has to choose 20mm autocannon OR atgm
when you can have a gigantic box that has 30mm cannon AND an atgm
and it can still be airlifted (the important part)
Because that humongous box can't move around in wooded areas and is limited to solid roads
>is limited to solid roads
I've seen them do offroad tests. They can go pretty much everywhere, they even drove one through 2 feet of mud. Although it looked more like it was swimming.
The troops that are going to receive them already come in similar sized boxes, so one more big box won't make the cabbage fat.
And IIRC the Boxer is only for the non-airborne units that have been using Wiesels, the airborne Ersatzwiesel is still being worked on.
>Boxer is only for non airborne units
Correct. The Fallschirmjäger get LuWa. Don’t know what the Gebirgsjäger will get, though.
>replaces
Why? The Wiesel fills a completely different niche (apart from both being air transportable).
It only replaces the Wiesel for Infantry who ride around in Boxers anyway. The airborne troops will get a different, smaller and lighter vehicle. Pic is the current technology demonstrator for it.
Lav is amphibious and has paper armor
This is a Boxer, it's not amphibious, it has a 30mm autocannon, and has 30mm front protection
>Schweren
>40mm
germany has fallen
depends on how fast that 40mm round is going and how precise it and the gun are. If it can deliver HEAT reliably first shot at tank optics and find them before tanks can, it's good enough for AT purposes and can carry more rounds for all others.
It wouldn't surprise me if this thing could share rounds with the MANTIS, which would make low level AA duty a fairly simple upgrade on the gun.
All things considered, the era of strapping a tank gun to an IFV seems to be over, those types of blows are now delivered through other means.
Having a dedicated shorad vehicle makes a lot more sense than trying to shoehorn the role onto an IFV. An ifv that is good at swatting down drones isn’t going to be good at suppressing a treeline or killing infantry. Airbursting munitions are great if infantry are bunched up but would suck for infantry that are spread out where each guy would require a frickhuge 40mm shell. There’s a reason only Sweden and South Korea use 40mm IFVs and that reason is that they already produce the 40mm gun. I know it hurts to hear because you seem laser focused on people liking the 40mm but it is what it is
Laserfocused is a bit much - but the 40mm airburst is still a much better option than a 130mm cannon round for targets like that, so given the choice, I'd still engage them with 40mm over 130mm. If you have infantry on an open field and you can see that there is a couple of guys moving with enough space between them that you need to pick them off with a 40mm round for each one, you'd let the accompanying infantrymen shot them with a DMR if they're willing to stay targets like that for an entire engagement.
But that's only realistic when you fight a war against paper plates. Against human enemies, i'd wager that you have crew served weapons in the mix and targets close enough at some point that the significant radius of a 40mm airburst round will get more than one per round.
I'm mostly arguing for 40mm vs something really big, not 40mm vs something smaller. The standard on these is a 20mm gun I believe.
>It wouldn't surprise me if this thing could share rounds with the MANTIS
Seems to have the muzzle velocity reader/fuze setter already installed (the cylindrical bit right at the end).
I assume the gun is for some sort of air burst anti drone nonsense?
no, an anti-drone vehicle needs a proper sensor fit to find the drones as well as the guns to kill it.
this is essentially a wheeled assault gun.
It trägs schwere waffens
schwuchtel beat me to it
>another fricking LAV chassis
This shit is going to be the MT-LB of the 2070s, isn't it?
more like the BTR but modern
MT-LBs are artillery tractors
LAV-25 and similar are APCs or IFVs
>LAV chassis
moron
>30mm
Cuck calibre.
30mm would frick a CV90 up plus you can store more ammo.
That isn’t a cuckv-90
Ironically the Cv90's have level 6 protection
On paper sure. In practice that haven’t demonstrated any special survivability.
Yeah but the CV90 is pretty shit for an IFV. Redback or puma is the gold standard. Euros but CV90 because Sweden will let them build it.
Must suck not having any combat footage to post. People just don’t like using the 40
The accuracy when compared to Ruzzian trash.
i love 40mm so much its unreal
its just such a kino caliber
God that’s so ineffective. No wonder no one wants 40 on their IFV
true they all want 50mm now which is even more.. ineffective?
>they all
You mean a single vehicle the US is working on? Are you alright? And also that 50mm is a necked up 35mm so you can carry even more than you could 40mm. Bofors is the laughing stock of the IFV world and you keep making threads about it to let us know how upset you are
B-BUT MUH 3P
Good. We will use them against poolacks soon