Germany gets first Schweren Waffentrger

>https://esut.de/en/2024/05/meldungen/49404/erster-schwerer-waffentraeger-infanterie-an-die-bundeswehr-uebergeben/
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  1. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    So it is a lav with a 40mm gun?

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >Schweren
      >40mm
      germany has fallen

      Boxer with 30mm autocannon and 2x Spike
      it replaces the Wiesel with 20mm/Spike as fire support for the infantry

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        What happened to heavy systems being +150mm?

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >let's replace tiny tracked vehicle with a gigantic wheeled box

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          because why would you have the tiny tracked vehicle that has to choose 20mm autocannon OR atgm
          when you can have a gigantic box that has 30mm cannon AND an atgm
          and it can still be airlifted (the important part)

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Because that humongous box can't move around in wooded areas and is limited to solid roads

            • 3 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              >is limited to solid roads
              I've seen them do offroad tests. They can go pretty much everywhere, they even drove one through 2 feet of mud. Although it looked more like it was swimming.

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          The troops that are going to receive them already come in similar sized boxes, so one more big box won't make the cabbage fat.

          because why would you have the tiny tracked vehicle that has to choose 20mm autocannon OR atgm
          when you can have a gigantic box that has 30mm cannon AND an atgm
          and it can still be airlifted (the important part)

          And IIRC the Boxer is only for the non-airborne units that have been using Wiesels, the airborne Ersatzwiesel is still being worked on.

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >Boxer is only for non airborne units
            Correct. The Fallschirmjäger get LuWa. Don’t know what the Gebirgsjäger will get, though.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >replaces
        Why? The Wiesel fills a completely different niche (apart from both being air transportable).

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          It only replaces the Wiesel for Infantry who ride around in Boxers anyway. The airborne troops will get a different, smaller and lighter vehicle. Pic is the current technology demonstrator for it.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Lav is amphibious and has paper armor

      This is a Boxer, it's not amphibious, it has a 30mm autocannon, and has 30mm front protection

  2. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >Schweren
    >40mm
    germany has fallen

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      depends on how fast that 40mm round is going and how precise it and the gun are. If it can deliver HEAT reliably first shot at tank optics and find them before tanks can, it's good enough for AT purposes and can carry more rounds for all others.
      It wouldn't surprise me if this thing could share rounds with the MANTIS, which would make low level AA duty a fairly simple upgrade on the gun.
      All things considered, the era of strapping a tank gun to an IFV seems to be over, those types of blows are now delivered through other means.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Having a dedicated shorad vehicle makes a lot more sense than trying to shoehorn the role onto an IFV. An ifv that is good at swatting down drones isn’t going to be good at suppressing a treeline or killing infantry. Airbursting munitions are great if infantry are bunched up but would suck for infantry that are spread out where each guy would require a frickhuge 40mm shell. There’s a reason only Sweden and South Korea use 40mm IFVs and that reason is that they already produce the 40mm gun. I know it hurts to hear because you seem laser focused on people liking the 40mm but it is what it is

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Laserfocused is a bit much - but the 40mm airburst is still a much better option than a 130mm cannon round for targets like that, so given the choice, I'd still engage them with 40mm over 130mm. If you have infantry on an open field and you can see that there is a couple of guys moving with enough space between them that you need to pick them off with a 40mm round for each one, you'd let the accompanying infantrymen shot them with a DMR if they're willing to stay targets like that for an entire engagement.

          But that's only realistic when you fight a war against paper plates. Against human enemies, i'd wager that you have crew served weapons in the mix and targets close enough at some point that the significant radius of a 40mm airburst round will get more than one per round.

          I'm mostly arguing for 40mm vs something really big, not 40mm vs something smaller. The standard on these is a 20mm gun I believe.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >It wouldn't surprise me if this thing could share rounds with the MANTIS
        Seems to have the muzzle velocity reader/fuze setter already installed (the cylindrical bit right at the end).

  3. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    I assume the gun is for some sort of air burst anti drone nonsense?

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      no, an anti-drone vehicle needs a proper sensor fit to find the drones as well as the guns to kill it.
      this is essentially a wheeled assault gun.

  4. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    It trägs schwere waffens

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      schwuchtel beat me to it

  5. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >another fricking LAV chassis
    This shit is going to be the MT-LB of the 2070s, isn't it?

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      more like the BTR but modern
      MT-LBs are artillery tractors
      LAV-25 and similar are APCs or IFVs

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >LAV chassis
      moron

  6. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >30mm
    Cuck calibre.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      30mm would frick a CV90 up plus you can store more ammo.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        That isn’t a cuckv-90

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Ironically the Cv90's have level 6 protection

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          On paper sure. In practice that haven’t demonstrated any special survivability.

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Yeah but the CV90 is pretty shit for an IFV. Redback or puma is the gold standard. Euros but CV90 because Sweden will let them build it.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Must suck not having any combat footage to post. People just don’t like using the 40

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      The accuracy when compared to Ruzzian trash.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      i love 40mm so much its unreal
      its just such a kino caliber

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        God that’s so ineffective. No wonder no one wants 40 on their IFV

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          true they all want 50mm now which is even more.. ineffective?

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >they all
            You mean a single vehicle the US is working on? Are you alright? And also that 50mm is a necked up 35mm so you can carry even more than you could 40mm. Bofors is the laughing stock of the IFV world and you keep making threads about it to let us know how upset you are

            • 3 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              B-BUT MUH 3P

  7. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Good. We will use them against poolacks soon

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