Russians haven't gotten the chance since Ukraine is stuck in the grey zone. All the damaged Leopards were from mines/drones/artillery.
Maybe in two more weeks.
Yeah, they're "stuck" in the "grey zone" slaughtering Russians 10+:1, because said Russians have thrown all their defense forwards instead of actually using their vaunted Ziggfried Line. Now why would that be? (Hint: It's because the line is shit and they don't have enough units to man it anyway.)
>Trunion
It's as if Leopard designers weren't moronic, or something. You're supposed to shoot hull-down so that the hull is protected. Besides, I guarantee you, most armies don't even load up the hull compartment.
Because hohols are moronic and can't use them properly. I work in the military industry, and I know what our army guys think about how good ukries are when they were training them.
>put ammo behind the most protected part of the tank >have crew be trained to always seek to hide the hull of the tank behind stuff >somehow that's supposed to be a weakness
explain
no tank is indestructable, what the hell do you excpect? A tank that gets hit by multiple anti tank weapons/artillery and doesnt kill its crew/sends the turret towards the next spacelink satellite is now bad?
you are one of those guys that reads datasheets only and compares vehicles like its a fricking quartet card game. The reality is that anti tank weapons were designed to take out tanks, wow it worked that doesnt mean that Leopard tanks are bad you dungus. you want to say that the F-22 is a bad aircraft because a stinger can shoot it down?
you should rate the leopard in the role it was designed for: fighting other tanks without being a heavy tank (because germany isnt still allowed to build heavy tanks)
This photo is shit because leos aslo have ammo in the hull next to the driver
current leo versions use another propellant in its ammo that doesnt cook off, in older versions the lower ammo storage has a sealing that has some reactive stuff between extra layers that prevents cook offs due to removal of oxygen or something like that.
[...]
Tank doesnt get used in a fast paced maneuver, doesnt get infantry support, gets hit by anti tank weapon.....DURR THE TANK IS BAD
wtf is wrong you? are you some /btards that come here when you are done posting cuck pics on /b?
this is reality, not some stupid videogame where you dont take damage if you have a higher tier than your opponent. get a grip you fools.
I never understood why this is such a flaw of the T72. If your turret gets penned, you die, period.
The only difference is whether they'll have a body to bury
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This is actaully a T-14 Armata after getting hit by a direct impact from a HIMARS.
Only Russia could build a tank that could withstand such a devastating strike.
Wow, when did the Russians copy the EMES and the PERI?
https://i.imgur.com/dtcjKFu.jpg
>moron doesn't understand perspective
the gunner is behind the sight
That hole is exactly above the gun attachments to the turret. I don't know the exact term in English. If anything, probably the loader had a worse time, as the gunner is deep below the turret ring. From there, the gunner is pretty much shielded by the gun on its thickest part.
>Trunion
It's as if Leopard designers weren't moronic, or something. You're supposed to shoot hull-down so that the hull is protected. Besides, I guarantee you, most armies don't even load up the hull compartment.
Heh, I messed the reply up.
Trunion, yes. Seems about right
>Wow, when did the Russians copy the EMES and the PERI?
2023 model of the brand new T-14M. Just rolled off production line from the most recent batch. They redesigned it with this optics setup to mock hohols for their Leopard procurement.
>German anon demonstrates intimate knowledge of German tanks, while also taking seriously and correcting something that was obviously said in jest
Can't make this shit up lmao
I though that tank have regeneration like in battlefield 3. And after taking 2 hits from rpg it's destroyed. You tellin me that optics attached to turret also could be destroyed? Wow, don't know it, always learn something new
so on the Leo the gunner gets hit in the chest by the recoil, <iframe src='//players.brightcove.net/77374810001/o4XU32Njq_default/index.html?videoId=1042485432001' allowfullscreen frameborder=0></iframe>
it's becoming painfully clear that the concepts of crew survivability, mobility kill and mission kill are just unfathomable to the Russian. The only time they'd see this kind of damage to their vehicles would be after their procurement officers had had a go.
I think leopards are cringe but a shill thread is a shill thread
I mean, absolutely the ugliest modern MBT hands down, just a fricking ugly shitbox of a tank
NO
the lerclerc looks cool
the ariete looks cool
the fricking M-55S looks cool
the M60's weird fricked up modernizations look cool
the abrams isn't even in the same realm as these pleb tanks
When you stand one top of one, when you sit in one you know it's the best.
Btw these poor guys in the tank are probably dead, overpressure must have been real bad. You see the small rectangular mirror port for the gunner also gone, also all mirrors for thr commander.
The crack is not above any of the crew so they would only be hit by a deflected pressure wave.
The crew would have their bells rung pretty badly but it’s possible that they survived.
If it were directly hit by a heavy, meaning 155mm. minimum, artillery shell, it would have been completely assfricked like every other tank.
I spent a good few evenings sperging out about direct fire artillery and the effects of artillery on MBTs in general.
Taking a 155mm. shell to the turret cheek will bend the barrel, turret ring, lift the turret out of the hull, frick all optronics and potentially kill and probably maim the crew.
were this pics taken by russians? the other anons are saying it looks bad, but russians would have taken pics of the dead crew
[...]
When you stand one top of one, when you sit in one you know it's the best.
Btw these poor guys in the tank are probably dead, overpressure must have been real bad. You see the small rectangular mirror port for the gunner also gone, also all mirrors for thr commander.
Thanks for sharing the picture, Castle Martin asin pembrokeshire UK? How did you like it?
Thats cool my friend was based at Sennelager in the early 90s he drove Scimitars though he loved his time in Germany.
Was cool. Ride in patched up transall was.. interesting. We were the last germoids there so we had the order to use up all 120 mm ammo, which we happily obliged to do. Coast behind the targets was nice scenery but I think some landmarks have since then been destroyed by nature. Did a weekend trip to London in british bus (no room for knees in these). Very nice.
British food was questionable, they had a toast machine there, conveyer belt thing, which kinda turned their white stuff into toasted bread you could put into the leg pocket and eat later in the tank w/o it turning into crumbs. But it was mostly german palate oriented. We also got custom-free vouchers to bring back some alcohol.
Some other group from our unit got into a fight with the locals boys in a pub, something about the chicks trying to get knocked up by germs for child support, which didn't sit well with the locals. I had the "pleasure" to be in the room when the battalion commander chewed them out. Akward.
All in all it was nice state sponsored trip. Being conscripted into a tank unit was swell (I explicitly stated that I wanted to be tanks or artillery). Had some fun, earned money and could collect unemployment benefits afterwards until I started my studies. Good times.
Simply unscrew the nuts after the electric valves for bottles 3 and 4 (they are manually activated) and you can extinguish the crew cabin at will. But you better take a deep breath.
Roof ERA is dumb for a very wide variety of reasons. The only reason Russia uses it is because half their tank design doctrine has been traumatized by Chechens putting shitty early-production RPG rockets through their tank roofs.
Spall protection only comes with the premium trim. NO REFUNDS.
And no one lines turret roofs with kevlar because they're not expecting AP hits on the turret roof.
>This coming from the Black folk that spammed the same 4 images for a week straight while their 1st line of defense kept moving further and further back.
It makes perfect sense. If something breaks at the weld joints that's typically because the weld is the weakest spot so it gives in first.
If a welded structure fails anywhere else, that means the welds are good enough that they are almost as strong as the rest of the structure.
>If it's just the optics and roof they can patch it in a week.
There are no spare parts for those optics, haven't been made in over 20 years. Ask Poland or any other 2A4 user.
They will have to strip down some other damaged tank.
They made plenty of spare parts for those tanks, especially optics. External prisms are expected to break and made to be easily replaced, even in the field of needed.
I know you’re a vatBlack person or even worse, brown, so I don’t expect you to understand how over pressure or blast waves actually behave.
The thing is, if you breach a plate with an explosion much of the blast wave is still deflected.
Listen thirdie, university study is available to pretty much everyone who wants it in the West. Having a degree isn’t much of a flex. It’s just you being poor and brown.
I think an HE shell exploded right there where the metal caved in. There are some gauges near the front, dunno about thar, one of the lifting hooks is completely sheared off, mirrors are all gone, MG3 mount ring on commanders hatch is all bent.
My bet is on HE shell impact. If the crew survived, I doubt it.
Also no spall liner in A4.
No tank has roof armor thick enough to survive any modern top attack munitions nor 152mm HE hit. ERA vatniks put on top of their tanks won't help for shit either.
The hull ammo stowage in the leopard is protected and designed to reduce the risk of sympathetic ignition; the cartridges are stored in metal tubes surrounded by water, that provide some protection from spall and slow down the spread of ammunition fires.
All modern tank ammunition uses combustible cartridges that burn up along with the propellant, this increases the possible chamber pressure and prevents empty casings from piling up inside the tank.
These cartridges, effectively made from gun cotton, that burn up completely inside the gun, are a serious fire risk, even compared to alder brass/steel cased ammunition.
In T-64 and T-72 derived tanks they are completely exposed inside the autoloader system and in the hull stowage, there is nothing to stop sparks and spall from igniting the flammable casings.
It's this that makes them even more dangerous than older designs like the T-55, T-62 that stored metal cased ammo all over the inside of the tank.
Those are metal case T-62 ammunition, the packaging has rotted away but the actual case is fine.
The thing to worry about here is the condition of the propellant after potential improper storage.
>after potential improper storage >potential
I'd say it's highly likely they were improperly stored. I've seen that look before, it's when someone left something out in the rain or a really damp area.
if the shells were exposed to shit conditions and moisture to do that to the paper containers, I think the propellent is not going to be that great of shape too. This is like that surplus tok ammo that came in about 10 years ago, the spam cans had corrosion similar to what you see there, and the ammo was plagued with issues, hang fires and lots of duds
Maybe 1-2 days after it's hauled from the front, put on a train, and shipped to a Polish maintenance facility where they can finally look at it. Not to mention it probably will be in back logged until they can get to it
you could probably replace the optics there and just go with hole in the roof
we, in the military i served in, we would bring a specialist to weld it up and from the pictures it would be done
He's just talking out of his ass. Proof: he blames "the Germans" for "thinning it too much" while literally every other tank has a similarly thin roof armor.
There's a reason Ukrainians recovered this vehicle - because it's salvageable.
>There's a reason Ukrainians recovered this vehicle - because it's salvageable.
Not true, even if a vehicle is irreparable it's extremely valuable for replacement parts
Yes, it goes into the fighting compartment. A direct hit with large artillery is NOT going to end well for any tank.
That turret is fricked, the only saving grace would be if any of the crew survived. It was a good hit for the Russian gunners and an unfortunate one for the Ukrainian crew. It happens.
>They didn't have this already
Jesus Christ I'm so happy the EU didn't have to deal with an actual direct War because this war is pretty much showing how much supply and logistic shit needs to be fixed.
The war is literally handholding the EU into getting a competent military industry
I swear I was in another thread made by a chugger of some sort and I think the same one made this. Getting laughed at and made fun of for the exact same shit he did in the last thread. Now he's getting even angrier and more butthurt.
Knowing the orcoid subhumans, if this had so much as caused a nosebleed they'd be posting pics of it non-stop. No way that this killed someone and they didn't take photos of it.
moron read who I'm replying to, he's the lying shitter saying the driver is dead.
There is no way it was a large artillery shell unless it went off on some branch above the tank, it was far more likely indirect 100mm HE or something similar.
"Ouch! Commander, look! Precious tank has hit on turret and me has headache!"
"Don't worry, Gunner Michaelowicz. Is german tank. Has good medic-box on board with headache-pills from Ratiopharm."
"But comrade commander, roof has dent. German freinds will be angry!"
"Never mind, Gunner Michaelowicz. Leopard ist stronk. More stronk than Lada and has better german car-insurance. Now giddy up, comrade: there are another twenty T-90 to bust until lunch!"
"Slawa ukraini, commander!"
Friendly reminder: the most vocal "german" and "poles", who threw shit at the other side, in Germany vs Poland weapon thread, were usually very evasive when pressed to say something in german or polish, or even answer to questions in these languages. When you think that sound awful like falseflagging vatniks, then you might be onto something. I doubt it is much different here.
it's not a TOS, check the video and you see it's the M113/Leo 2a6-2a4 convoy. Unconfirmed what the thing blowing up is, but there's a flaming 2A4 at the scene later when the smoke clears
>check the video and you see it's the M113/Leo 2a6-2a4 convoy.
NTA, I have checked it 5 times and I can't see with so low quality, anon if you are not doing this out of malice genuinely ask for better quality images because if you told me 6 himars were in that convoy I would still see the same 4 pixels, I can't see shit
Okay wait, so a week into the offensive with supposedly catastrophic losses for western armor we have a grand total of one actually destroyed Leopard 2. That was getting hit by mines, artillery, Lancets, ATGMs and who the frick knows what else. Also at least 3 of the crew members escaped. Everything else is shit like dropped tracks, fricked optics or cracked roof.
And in the same period we got videos with at least a dozen of vatnik tanks exploding in fireballs.
I thought defending side was supposed to suffer fewer losses?
>akchually akhchually akhcuallyy
Just admit the frickup and take the L already you shills. I thought western militaries values data in the field so they can constantly be improved, well this is it
Why do people keep saying this is a direct hit to the roof? It's very clearly not a direct hit at the very least. Nowhere near enough surface damage, and lets be real if it took a direct hit from artillery, which it didn't, and the turret was actually breached... the crew is paste.
>survives a direct hit from the top
>doesn't completely disassemble and launch the turret into space
>crew likely survived
it's shit!!!1
>>crew likely survived
The driver probably did not the rest
The crew are standing on top of it.
Someone is standing on it
What caused the damage?
Also it that the crew standing on top of it because if yes; yeah that is some real German quality.
That's not a direct hit from anything other an the pressure of a large 152 mm arty round going off near it.
Cool story, bro. That shit went off right on the roof. And still didn't kill anyone.
>no burn marks or scratches
Cool story bro
>pressure
Ah, yes, the famous pressure waves that punch holes into steel (cf. the TRP-1A sight's shroud), who doesn't know 'em?
Cum/chug/gers aren't sending us their best.
i'm so happy for you
It's so funny that some goat herders can do this, but the entire russian army cant
Russians haven't gotten the chance since Ukraine is stuck in the grey zone. All the damaged Leopards were from mines/drones/artillery.
Maybe in two more weeks.
The grey zone which keeps getting larger every day.
Yes, Ukrainains can't seem to take that one barn they show as a village lmao
Yeah, they're "stuck" in the "grey zone" slaughtering Russians 10+:1, because said Russians have thrown all their defense forwards instead of actually using their vaunted Ziggfried Line. Now why would that be? (Hint: It's because the line is shit and they don't have enough units to man it anyway.)
If this is from Artillery, that's fricking impressive.
ITS CONFIREM TOTAL LOSS.....LEO 2A4 HAVE SHIT ARMOR AND THATS A FACT
confirem by who
>tank doesn't cooked up to space
>ITS SHIT!
Do you morons assume that tanks get sent to the atmosphere everytime they get hit??
>Do you morons assume that tanks get sent to the atmosphere everytime they get hit??
No, just a well-defined subset of tanks.
This photo is shit because leos aslo have ammo in the hull next to the driver
Ugh... about that...
>Trunion
It's as if Leopard designers weren't moronic, or something. You're supposed to shoot hull-down so that the hull is protected. Besides, I guarantee you, most armies don't even load up the hull compartment.
You're talking about some idealized, non-existent static defence scenario cooked up by Tom Clancy.
These Leopards are getting wrecked from all directions, and they're advancing.
Because hohols are moronic and can't use them properly. I work in the military industry, and I know what our army guys think about how good ukries are when they were training them.
And what do they think? I live in Germany too
why havent we seen leopards fly, then?
We have.
Here's one:
>put ammo behind the most protected part of the tank
>have crew be trained to always seek to hide the hull of the tank behind stuff
>somehow that's supposed to be a weakness
explain
no tank is indestructable, what the hell do you excpect? A tank that gets hit by multiple anti tank weapons/artillery and doesnt kill its crew/sends the turret towards the next spacelink satellite is now bad?
you are one of those guys that reads datasheets only and compares vehicles like its a fricking quartet card game. The reality is that anti tank weapons were designed to take out tanks, wow it worked that doesnt mean that Leopard tanks are bad you dungus. you want to say that the F-22 is a bad aircraft because a stinger can shoot it down?
you should rate the leopard in the role it was designed for: fighting other tanks without being a heavy tank (because germany isnt still allowed to build heavy tanks)
current leo versions use another propellant in its ammo that doesnt cook off, in older versions the lower ammo storage has a sealing that has some reactive stuff between extra layers that prevents cook offs due to removal of oxygen or something like that.
Tank doesnt get used in a fast paced maneuver, doesnt get infantry support, gets hit by anti tank weapon.....DURR THE TANK IS BAD
wtf is wrong you? are you some /btards that come here when you are done posting cuck pics on /b?
this is reality, not some stupid videogame where you dont take damage if you have a higher tier than your opponent. get a grip you fools.
I never understood why this is such a flaw of the T72. If your turret gets penned, you die, period.
The only difference is whether they'll have a body to bury
even a vatBlack person such as yourself should understand replacement crews
Wrong,crew fatalities are usually 1.1 to 1.2 per penetration.So if western MBT gets hit,1 guy dies;if T-xx gets hit all 3 die.
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>russoids test NATO equipment FOR FREE and gloat about it
kek
The one thing that has surprised me is China not sending their 100% untested shit into this war. Something tells me they may regret that.
This is actaully a T-14 Armata after getting hit by a direct impact from a HIMARS.
Only Russia could build a tank that could withstand such a devastating strike.
Wow, when did the Russians copy the EMES and the PERI?
That hole is exactly above the gun attachments to the turret. I don't know the exact term in English. If anything, probably the loader had a worse time, as the gunner is deep below the turret ring. From there, the gunner is pretty much shielded by the gun on its thickest part.
>That hole is exactly above the gun attachments to the turret. I don't know the exact term in English
Trunion
Heh, I messed the reply up.
Trunion, yes. Seems about right
>Wow, when did the Russians copy the EMES and the PERI?
2023 model of the brand new T-14M. Just rolled off production line from the most recent batch. They redesigned it with this optics setup to mock hohols for their Leopard procurement.
>German anon demonstrates intimate knowledge of German tanks, while also taking seriously and correcting something that was obviously said in jest
Can't make this shit up lmao
You simply don't understand German humor. Mine's a jest too.
Tell me what hit it first
I sat on it
you’re a big guy
I though that tank have regeneration like in battlefield 3. And after taking 2 hits from rpg it's destroyed. You tellin me that optics attached to turret also could be destroyed? Wow, don't know it, always learn something new
>moron doesn't understand perspective
the gunner is behind the sight
gunner sits in front of the commander, this breach is above the breech
Your graphic is moronic. The gunner and commander are right in the path of the gun breech.
If that diagram was real the recoil of the gun would be killing both the gunner and the commander every time a shot was fired.
>Gunner aims by looking through the gun barrel
SOUL tank design
so on the Leo the gunner gets hit in the chest by the recoil, <iframe src='//players.brightcove.net/77374810001/o4XU32Njq_default/index.html?videoId=1042485432001' allowfullscreen frameborder=0></iframe>
Those are Ukrainian boot right? Do you have a source?
>russoids so used to tanks completely disintegrating from a single shot they assume that's just what they're supposed to do
lmao
it's becoming painfully clear that the concepts of crew survivability, mobility kill and mission kill are just unfathomable to the Russian. The only time they'd see this kind of damage to their vehicles would be after their procurement officers had had a go.
I think leopards are cringe but a shill thread is a shill thread
I mean, absolutely the ugliest modern MBT hands down, just a fricking ugly shitbox of a tank
i think it looks cool 🙂
NO
the lerclerc looks cool
the ariete looks cool
the fricking M-55S looks cool
the M60's weird fricked up modernizations look cool
the abrams isn't even in the same realm as these pleb tanks
the leopard? trash
I like it
Snap we posted the same image
Looks like shit without the armor packages that the later models have.
it looks like a ww2 german tank which is what a german should look like
It's not 1942 anymore Gramps. Tanks have evolved.
Old good
New bad
Simple as
Nah
2a4 is my favroute looking tank, closely followed by the Challenger 1. I know the turret design isnt optimal but the flat face looks cool to me.
>Challenger 1
My homie. I love the low-profile look of the turret compared to the Chally 2. It makes it look more like a stocky cruiserweight boxer.
Leo2A4 is peak SOVL you degenerate.
>just a box
truly a foul design
the leopard 1 had so much going on and they turned it into a fricking box
yes, the leo1 looked better but you are still wrong
When you stand one top of one, when you sit in one you know it's the best.
Btw these poor guys in the tank are probably dead, overpressure must have been real bad. You see the small rectangular mirror port for the gunner also gone, also all mirrors for thr commander.
t. Leo2A4 gunner
I think that the EMES simply died because the glass is too close to the impact. However, the gunner periscope being gone is a good point.
The crack is not above any of the crew so they would only be hit by a deflected pressure wave.
The crew would have their bells rung pretty badly but it’s possible that they survived.
Fricking ugly piece of shit
what? it's very handsome, what tank do you think is the best lookin
abrams
100%
literally the peak of tank design
its neither bad nor really good looking. Its just there. Its like the default option of a mmo character or something
It has asymmetric cheeks.
nta but Leclerc, it's got those sexy curves without being as fat as Challenger
the leopard tanks (all of them) make me feel something in my chest that I dont quite know how to describe.
heartburn from acid reflux
Tumor
You have shit taste good sir
>mean, absolutely the ugliest modern MBT hands down
The point of tank is not to look pretty in your selfie
>anti-German shitposter
>namegay
>pedophile
3 strikes.
>just a fricking ugly shitbox of a tank
So was the Tiger. Your point being?
my point is that it's fricking ugly
>troony polak meme tank asiatic shit coper
>Roof caves in
What in the absolute frick...
Heavy artillery shell landing right on top. Anything short of a western MBT would be a torn-apart wreck after that.
If it were directly hit by a heavy, meaning 155mm. minimum, artillery shell, it would have been completely assfricked like every other tank.
I spent a good few evenings sperging out about direct fire artillery and the effects of artillery on MBTs in general.
Taking a 155mm. shell to the turret cheek will bend the barrel, turret ring, lift the turret out of the hull, frick all optronics and potentially kill and probably maim the crew.
Good old, expired, degraded 152 ammo to the rescue?
LMAO, western tanks are just built differently, Vanya.
>155mm.
>.
Black person
>There's a fracture in the Leopard tank after a direct hit from the top, it's fricking over.
>Meanwhile...
One year old 'succeses' status?
lol is this the vaunted lancet damage?
lol
What ever hit if fricked it up big time.
caved by mortar?
Leopard is based
You are a degenerate if you don't like the old one. Period
>Gif related
we can only try to imagine how much fear and panic this evokes in vatniks
It's completely dry with no residue, so the fire extinguishing system didn't even spring into action.
Looks like the interior is undamaged
were this pics taken by russians? the other anons are saying it looks bad, but russians would have taken pics of the dead crew
can you guys talk it out?
>Can you guys talk it out
This, also 2a4 gunner post a pic of the gun sight reticle pls
Sorry didn't take many photos.. old analogue cameras sucked.. here a photo from Castle Martin.
Also you can see the mirror must on top between both sight systems. So you you can put the gunners head compared to OPs picture.
Thanks for sharing the picture, Castle Martin asin pembrokeshire UK? How did you like it?
Thats cool my friend was based at Sennelager in the early 90s he drove Scimitars though he loved his time in Germany.
Was cool. Ride in patched up transall was.. interesting. We were the last germoids there so we had the order to use up all 120 mm ammo, which we happily obliged to do. Coast behind the targets was nice scenery but I think some landmarks have since then been destroyed by nature. Did a weekend trip to London in british bus (no room for knees in these). Very nice.
British food was questionable, they had a toast machine there, conveyer belt thing, which kinda turned their white stuff into toasted bread you could put into the leg pocket and eat later in the tank w/o it turning into crumbs. But it was mostly german palate oriented. We also got custom-free vouchers to bring back some alcohol.
Some other group from our unit got into a fight with the locals boys in a pub, something about the chicks trying to get knocked up by germs for child support, which didn't sit well with the locals. I had the "pleasure" to be in the room when the battalion commander chewed them out. Akward.
All in all it was nice state sponsored trip. Being conscripted into a tank unit was swell (I explicitly stated that I wanted to be tanks or artillery). Had some fun, earned money and could collect unemployment benefits afterwards until I started my studies. Good times.
The boots with the funny zigzag look like Lowa zephyrs, which I don't think the soviets would be wearing.
Boots and camo pattern look Ukrainian.
both guys are wearing multicam pants
>can you guys talk it out?
No need to. I said the interior is probably undamaged. The crew probably got their ears and lungs blasted
Leopard 2A4 only has automated extinguishing system for the engine bay. Fighting compartment only has handheld extinguishers
Simply unscrew the nuts after the electric valves for bottles 3 and 4 (they are manually activated) and you can extinguish the crew cabin at will. But you better take a deep breath.
Look at that fricking paper-thin roof armor...Why aren't they covering that thing with ERA FFS?!
Roof armor only for A5 model, cost extra, only the swedes bought it.
Lol this.
Should bought the premium roof armour package homosexuals! NO REFUNDS.
All tank roofs are like that you new c**t
>All tank roofs are like that
That's why you put ERA on it you dumb Hispanic homosexual.
At least make a better joke, dumb child.
Do you even speak English, you dumb Unitedstatian wetback?
Roof ERA is dumb for a very wide variety of reasons. The only reason Russia uses it is because half their tank design doctrine has been traumatized by Chechens putting shitty early-production RPG rockets through their tank roofs.
>Roof ERA is dumb
Says some anonymous jerking off idiot who didn't even go to college.
Literally no roof ERA in sight. Perhaps the pic is a bad angle, but all i see here is a single diagonal array of Era above the gun
show me just ONE case in ukraine the ukraine war where ERA worked, just one!
do you have any idea how ERA works?
We need an upgrade of the meme where the two Ukrainians are angrily throwing Kontrakt-1 at the terrified German officer
ERA only helps against non tandem shaped charges, which no one uses anymore so its kinda pointless
Extra metal plates and pockets of empty space help in general.
thats a different kind of armor called chobham, not ERA
ERA + thin roof = just more explosions into the gunners head
>The side of a Panther tank turret, cracked by three glancing blows of 75 mm HE from 3rd/4th County Shermans. The Turret crew were killed.
At least one person died in that Leopard.
>what is spall protection
Lol
Lemao even.
Spall protection only comes with the premium trim. NO REFUNDS.
And no one lines turret roofs with kevlar because they're not expecting AP hits on the turret roof.
>doesn't understand what spall lining looks like or how it works
Holy shit TOURISTS GET OFF MY BOARD YOU Black folk
LEARN WHAT A FRICKING SPALL LINER IS YOU REDDIT FRICKS
found the poltard
It’s a weapons board so shitting up the thread with the most moronic comments imaginable can be annoying you fricking tourists
kys moron
>no one lines turret roofs with kevlar because they're not expecting AP hits on the turret roof
>spall protection
>AP hits
What did he mean by this?
this moron actually thinks a spall liner is some sort of fuzzy material instead of baked into the armor array
>They called out my cope.
>Quick! Bring out more cope!
The difference is that we're on the good team.
It just makes you look stupid and desperate for a propaganda win.
>This coming from the Black folk that spammed the same 4 images for a week straight while their 1st line of defense kept moving further and further back.
where do you see weld seams in the damaged section?
You realize that if it fractured not along the welds that's an even poorer reflection of the armour?
No that speaks for the welding jobs and for the insane exploding power of a artillery shell
That makes no sense. Go sit in the corner. Pablo.
It makes perfect sense. If something breaks at the weld joints that's typically because the weld is the weakest spot so it gives in first.
If a welded structure fails anywhere else, that means the welds are good enough that they are almost as strong as the rest of the structure.
at the end we both still dont know what arty it his, where it exploded, etc. A video would be perfect
You probably won't see one because it would show a Leopard getting a direct hit from russian artillery and still drive away from it
Pictures not telling much but it doesnt look like the metal oxidized like any tank that was on fire.
Spoiler: that's because it wasn't on fire.
russian channels claim a 2S19 Msta-S achieved a direct bit on a Leopard 2. Guess this is the one
152mm straight into the roof and it still stands.
plus, aren't leos the least armored of all modern western MBTs?
>direct hit to the roof
>didn't explode
>will be fine after a week of repairs
Now compare this to vatnik tanks.
It doesn't matter if you destroy one T-34. New ones can be made from scrap iron and wagon wheels.
And russians can't even do that
>T-34
Russia had to buy those from Laos and Vietnam.
True. I like T-34s better when they're made from bamboo and bicycle parts.
Don’t forget the punji sticks.
>one week
No, that turret needs to be sent back to a factory to be repaired
We don't know what really got damaged. If it's just the optics and roof they can patch it in a week.
>The roof is clearly caved in and open like vanya's butthole
>we don't know what is damaged
>If it's just the optics and roof they can patch it in a week.
There are no spare parts for those optics, haven't been made in over 20 years. Ask Poland or any other 2A4 user.
They will have to strip down some other damaged tank.
They made plenty of spare parts for those tanks, especially optics. External prisms are expected to break and made to be easily replaced, even in the field of needed.
Wat? Of course you can still get PERI R17A3L4
>Of course you can still get PERI R17A3L4
May we see it?
Poland just modernized their Leo 2PL's with it in 2020
Poland makes their own optics that can be put on those.
Ohnononononononono
Look at the top of his head! Look at the armor!
AHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
I know you’re a vatBlack person or even worse, brown, so I don’t expect you to understand how over pressure or blast waves actually behave.
The thing is, if you breach a plate with an explosion much of the blast wave is still deflected.
You didn't even go to college homosexual. Lmao.
>laughs in engineering degree
Post hand.
My dad works at Nintendo.
Listen thirdie, university study is available to pretty much everyone who wants it in the West. Having a degree isn’t much of a flex. It’s just you being poor and brown.
I think an HE shell exploded right there where the metal caved in. There are some gauges near the front, dunno about thar, one of the lifting hooks is completely sheared off, mirrors are all gone, MG3 mount ring on commanders hatch is all bent.
My bet is on HE shell impact. If the crew survived, I doubt it.
Also no spall liner in A4.
Pretty much matches
FOUR (4) FRICKING CM OF UNSUPPORTED UNIFORM STEEL
THE ABSOLUTE STATE
How does that compare to other tanks?
The M1 Abrams has 1 inch/25.4mm.
Abrahams is about the same.
Maybe we shouldn't send them to Ukraine after all....
No tank has roof armor thick enough to survive any modern top attack munitions nor 152mm HE hit. ERA vatniks put on top of their tanks won't help for shit either.
Kneel, mortals.
Back in the 70s top attack wasn't a thing. At least not by the SU.
Actually, that might not even be the part that caved in. Then photo looks a LOT thinner than 4 cm. Might even be the 20 mm plate further back.
>Might even be the 20 mm plate further back.
Definitely, you can see the 4cm portion is next to the cutout for the optics and is slightly angled.
Abrams roof is 1 to 1.5 inch thick. This is completely normal.
>Not covering this bullshit in ERA
It's like they think the myth of NATO wunderwaffe will protect them.... Instead they are just getting Ukranians killed.
Does ERA even help against Artillery shells?
no it doesn't, ERA only protects against HEAT jets and APFSDS penetrators
Armor is armor.
This is what happens when you put that into practice
pefect tank for ukraine. why arent we sending those?
Ukraine? Why should it go back to Ukraine? The 'madlad' Maus is already in Russia.
Kino
When Ukraine flattens Russia, I hope they can safely rescue historic vehicles like that from the clutches of those filthy ruskies.
Nah, Russians will just get more updated editions in their museums.
Weird cope
No need to project buddy.
The hull ammo stowage in the leopard is protected and designed to reduce the risk of sympathetic ignition; the cartridges are stored in metal tubes surrounded by water, that provide some protection from spall and slow down the spread of ammunition fires.
All modern tank ammunition uses combustible cartridges that burn up along with the propellant, this increases the possible chamber pressure and prevents empty casings from piling up inside the tank.
These cartridges, effectively made from gun cotton, that burn up completely inside the gun, are a serious fire risk, even compared to alder brass/steel cased ammunition.
In T-64 and T-72 derived tanks they are completely exposed inside the autoloader system and in the hull stowage, there is nothing to stop sparks and spall from igniting the flammable casings.
It's this that makes them even more dangerous than older designs like the T-55, T-62 that stored metal cased ammo all over the inside of the tank.
the thread being flooded with more and more vatnik shill posts convinced me that Russia is winning.
>russia claims
>152mm
>implying that there's an iota of truth in that
Are k-anons that moronic?
Yeah there's no fricking way a Leo could be that undamaged after a direct hit from fricking 152mm
When the shell looks like this, it can.
Those are metal case T-62 ammunition, the packaging has rotted away but the actual case is fine.
The thing to worry about here is the condition of the propellant after potential improper storage.
>after potential improper storage
>potential
I'd say it's highly likely they were improperly stored. I've seen that look before, it's when someone left something out in the rain or a really damp area.
if the shells were exposed to shit conditions and moisture to do that to the paper containers, I think the propellent is not going to be that great of shape too. This is like that surplus tok ammo that came in about 10 years ago, the spam cans had corrosion similar to what you see there, and the ammo was plagued with issues, hang fires and lots of duds
its an about a 1-2 days to fix completely if we work chill
but we gonna need someone who can weld
t. fire control technician
Maybe 1-2 days after it's hauled from the front, put on a train, and shipped to a Polish maintenance facility where they can finally look at it. Not to mention it probably will be in back logged until they can get to it
you could probably replace the optics there and just go with hole in the roof
we, in the military i served in, we would bring a specialist to weld it up and from the pictures it would be done
>its an about a 1-2 days to fix completely if we work chill
Lolno.
The turret is a total write-off. As is the crew.
If the hull is still intact and the engine running they can maybe convert it into a tractor.
seen worse but not from explosives
Wolski confirms it's a total loss of vehicle.
>https://twitter.com/wolski_jaros/status/1669421059244687360
Well, maybe they can convert it into a tractor or something.
He's just talking out of his ass. Proof: he blames "the Germans" for "thinning it too much" while literally every other tank has a similarly thin roof armor.
There's a reason Ukrainians recovered this vehicle - because it's salvageable.
Bububububububububut the Russian cum chiggers said the loss is total victory for Russia!!!!!
>There's a reason Ukrainians recovered this vehicle - because it's salvageable.
Not true, even if a vehicle is irreparable it's extremely valuable for replacement parts
Never listen to poles.
Seriously, they're about 75% as bad as russians.
>t. Rheinmetall
Post Brown Turkish hands, Mehmet.
does that breach into the crew compartment? From the angle it almost looks like the roof has a standoff from the crew space.
Yes, it goes into the fighting compartment. A direct hit with large artillery is NOT going to end well for any tank.
That turret is fricked, the only saving grace would be if any of the crew survived. It was a good hit for the Russian gunners and an unfortunate one for the Ukrainian crew. It happens.
Black person, Hendsoldt literally markets PERI tank optics on their web page.
Read my lips Black person, THERE ARE NO SPARES OR NEW SIGHTS AVAILABLE FOR THE 2A4
How do you know that?
>https://www.thefirstnews.com/article/polish-mod-says-ukraine-needs-leopard-2a4-spare-parts-37034
They literally talking about opening a new factory that no longer exists to make spare parts for the 2A4.
>They didn't have this already
Jesus Christ I'm so happy the EU didn't have to deal with an actual direct War because this war is pretty much showing how much supply and logistic shit needs to be fixed.
The war is literally handholding the EU into getting a competent military industry
Source:
>dude trust me
Also, you mean that they don’t make many updated optics that can fit into 2a4s despite Hensoldt putting out brochures about the very same sights?
Does this mention optics in any form?
I swear I was in another thread made by a chugger of some sort and I think the same one made this. Getting laughed at and made fun of for the exact same shit he did in the last thread. Now he's getting even angrier and more butthurt.
Meh should be fine.
Pressure and spalling. I doubt it.
Tank crews survived far worse.
Cope. That over pressure alone at the minimum fricked up every one in the turret.
Knowing the orcoid subhumans, if this had so much as caused a nosebleed they'd be posting pics of it non-stop. No way that this killed someone and they didn't take photos of it.
if you going to recolour memes take some that would at least make sense
>Doesn't read the rules
>Whines like a lil b***h about his "on topic" post getting deleted
What rule does this post violate?
Hurting your feelings?
>Purposefully obtuse in how he isn't whining about post being "on topic"
> Pulls the "no u" card
Its a 155mm HEAT rounds. Are the Russians really using HEAT rounds with artillery?
>Its a 155mm HEAT rounds
You just made that up.
No, your picture is an Abrams from a test where they fired a 155mm HEAT round at it.
>152mm HE
You think this was artillery kek? The leopard would be utterly gone from a 152 you lying sack of shit you're no tanker.
Cry more vatnik.
moron read who I'm replying to, he's the lying shitter saying the driver is dead.
There is no way it was a large artillery shell unless it went off on some branch above the tank, it was far more likely indirect 100mm HE or something similar.
I'm not the German tanker dude.
And you don't definitively know what hit that tank either.
Isn't this literally what Russians are claiming?
I don't listen to Russians you shouldn't either.
"Ouch! Commander, look! Precious tank has hit on turret and me has headache!"
"Don't worry, Gunner Michaelowicz. Is german tank. Has good medic-box on board with headache-pills from Ratiopharm."
"But comrade commander, roof has dent. German freinds will be angry!"
"Never mind, Gunner Michaelowicz. Leopard ist stronk. More stronk than Lada and has better german car-insurance. Now giddy up, comrade: there are another twenty T-90 to bust until lunch!"
"Slawa ukraini, commander!"
That SPG and its crew is most likely dead by now
feels good man
This is what 152mm HEAT would do to a tank 80 years ago.
recoverable?
Suspension looks fine.
>surprise anal
>recoverable?
Depends on lube status.
Anything is recoverable if you are determined enough.
>This is what 152mm HEAT would do to a tank 80 years ago.
that is clearly an internal sympathetic ammo detonation or a direct hit from a stuka bomb.
Maybe it was mobiks with shovels?
i thought that we're here to help ukraine, not to dick measure who gave the better toys?
Armatard will never allow actual conversation anon, everything must be adversarial
Friendly reminder: the most vocal "german" and "poles", who threw shit at the other side, in Germany vs Poland weapon thread, were usually very evasive when pressed to say something in german or polish, or even answer to questions in these languages. When you think that sound awful like falseflagging vatniks, then you might be onto something. I doubt it is much different here.
Where's the 2A4 ERA?
iirc 2A4 uses NERA
No I mean Ukies putting Nozh or Kontakt on top of that NERA
>"REEE UNKNOWN TECHNOLOGY!"
>he doesn´t know.
One thing is for certain, no one can know from this video.
Oh hey, it's the video of an exploding TOS-1 the ziggers tried to false-flag as a Leopard last week. Again.
it's not a TOS, check the video and you see it's the M113/Leo 2a6-2a4 convoy. Unconfirmed what the thing blowing up is, but there's a flaming 2A4 at the scene later when the smoke clears
>C'mon bro just trust me
>check the video and you see it's the M113/Leo 2a6-2a4 convoy.
NTA, I have checked it 5 times and I can't see with so low quality, anon if you are not doing this out of malice genuinely ask for better quality images because if you told me 6 himars were in that convoy I would still see the same 4 pixels, I can't see shit
Okay wait, so a week into the offensive with supposedly catastrophic losses for western armor we have a grand total of one actually destroyed Leopard 2. That was getting hit by mines, artillery, Lancets, ATGMs and who the frick knows what else. Also at least 3 of the crew members escaped. Everything else is shit like dropped tracks, fricked optics or cracked roof.
And in the same period we got videos with at least a dozen of vatnik tanks exploding in fireballs.
I thought defending side was supposed to suffer fewer losses?
It gets better, that Leo has ukies standing on it too. So it got recovered.
>Kevlar liner
>Baked into armour
What did this illiterate idiot mean by this?
>lose 54 tanks... that you admit to
>brag for two weeks for disabling two enemy tanks
This is why Russia is going to win in two more weeks.
Looks alright.
Also:
https://www.newsweek.com/vladimir-putin-russia-tank-losses-ukraine-counteroffensive-1806565
kek keep coping armatard
>akchually akhchually akhcuallyy
Just admit the frickup and take the L already you shills. I thought western militaries values data in the field so they can constantly be improved, well this is it
yes, I can see the outline of a leopard right there!
That would have not happened if they had cope cage.
Should also add some cope cubes while at it.
build quality
>lmao
>Leo eats the direct hit of an artillery round like a champ
>T54 through T90 launches turret and crew into orbit
???
Why is Zigger footage always so shit?
Cuz sometimes its fake other times they show the full fidelity of their sensors aka pic rel
Ziggers love fetal alcohol syndrome. Thankfully it's legal to beat any vodka drinking out of your mail order waifu.
Cant see shit, post the whole vehicle.
>German build quality
you mean Turk build quality
>buckbroken zigger cope
>no dead
>tank intact
>easily repaired and back on the front within the week
>zigger tank
>turret on mars
>vatniks atomized
>german steel
Why do people keep saying this is a direct hit to the roof? It's very clearly not a direct hit at the very least. Nowhere near enough surface damage, and lets be real if it took a direct hit from artillery, which it didn't, and the turret was actually breached... the crew is paste.
/k troonys.
>brownoid /misc/troon too moronic to even properly pluralize "trannies"
Shocker.
>but is the crew alive?
should unironically add cope cages
frick droneBlack folk