Ah that's for the new autonomous drones that attack exposed troops.
Close Human-Unsupervised Combatant Killer
When the drones still required operators, they were called Supervised Near-Enemy Explosive Delivery
[...] >SEAD
This. I knew that the Russian ground forces were going to be completely disarmed via destruction of everything but it looks like the G7/USA/EU/NATO is going for the bonus level and removing the entire Russian airforce as well.
[...]
The truth is it is enough to erase all Russia fighter, ground attack, helicopter and strategic bombers forces as well as ripping apart Russian air defences. I for one am happy that Russia over.
>SEAD
I'm very interested to see how much of a difference these aircraft will actually make. As far as I know the primary issue is that Russian aircraft can fly CAP from within Russia because their missiles outrange what the Ukrainians have. These F-16s aren't going to change that, so they might not be able to use them to do much SEAD.
>These F-16s aren't going to change that
AIM-120C's completely outrange R-27's, and going to out-range the R-77 in most conditions. My guess is that the primary A2A missile of the russochimps is STILL the R-27.
See this promo pic from before the war, when they couldn't get R-77's for even a propaganda shot, and had to arm their "Raptor-killer" Su-35 with basically a worse Sparrow.
SEAD doesnt actually need to destroy enemy batteries to succeed, otherwise it is DEAD
F-16s flying in the air and denying the enemy airspace also keeps russian AA from firing in the first place, because thjey light themselves up like a christmas tree once they fire
a relatively small number of aircraft that overmatch the defenders aircraft can control a massive battlespace as the enemy is forced to keep strict radar silence and only fire when absolutely necessary to reduce getting hit
this allows aircraft to fly without fear of AA, since the batteries are always under threat
>batteries that completely outrange them
Mind that range is something that's jotted down on paper for propaganda and export sales.
The S-400 max range is basically measured with the target at high altitude, heading towards the site, and not taking evasive action.
The double height masts for radar in the S-300 system put it at 38 meters AGL, which means that max range for a target at 5k ft is 180km with refraction taken into account. Those masts limit mobility because they take an hour to erect and take down. Let's bring the radar back down to 7 meters (guesstimation) and the aircraft to 3,000 feet. Max range for that target is 135 km.
Obviously fighters have to fly carefully around SAMs, but that was always the reality.
>SEAD
This. I knew that the Russian ground forces were going to be completely disarmed via destruction of everything but it looks like the G7/USA/EU/NATO is going for the bonus level and removing the entire Russian airforce as well.
SEAD
The truth is it is enough to erase all Russia fighter, ground attack, helicopter and strategic bombers forces as well as ripping apart Russian air defences. I for one am happy that Russia over.
No it's not. An SU-35 is perfectly capable of going toe to toe with an F-16, even in BVR as long as it has Fox 3s. It has a more powerful radar than the block 15/20 F-16s up for grabs, a longer range, and it carries more missiles. It just means the ukies have a fighting chance in such a situation. SEAD with HARMs is probably the biggest boon for them. If they can reduce the airspace denial the Russians have, it would significantly benefit ukraine in terms of landing cruise misiles on targets and doing strikes with aircraft
Depends, >supplied with HARMs, MALDs and SDBs
SNEED the Russian GBAD, then drive them out of the country >not supplied with the above
Dodge S-300s and potshots from MiG-31s without being able to retaliate.
Checked and true...
Look at all these bootlicking retards
The Mig-31 fleet will fall apart before any F-16s reach Ukraine
Russia already had issues maintaining their air assets before the war, imagine how much worse the problem is now
[...] >SEAD
I'm very interested to see how much of a difference these aircraft will actually make. As far as I know the primary issue is that Russian aircraft can fly CAP from within Russia because their missiles outrange what the Ukrainians have. These F-16s aren't going to change that, so they might not be able to use them to do much SEAD.
Forcing the Foxhounds to the air as often as possible will eventually cause maintenance issues. Also, if decoys such as towable targets were used, even without the Vipers, you get the Russians to waste R-37s.
>Forcing the Foxhounds to the air as often as possible will eventually cause maintenance issues.
This is a good point, didn't really consider that to be honest. >decoys
We know they have ADM-160 MALDs from that strike a little while ago, those will probably be a huge help for SEAD.
https://i.imgur.com/eNzswB0.jpg
>These F-16s aren't going to change that
AIM-120C's completely outrange R-27's, and going to out-range the R-77 in most conditions. My guess is that the primary A2A missile of the russochimps is STILL the R-27.
See this promo pic from before the war, when they couldn't get R-77's for even a propaganda shot, and had to arm their "Raptor-killer" Su-35 with basically a worse Sparrow.
>AIM-120C's completely outrange R-27's, and going to out-range the R-77 in most conditions.
Do we know what kind of A2A missiles they're getting with the F-16s? Also, like the first anon I replied to said, R-37s have been a pretty substantial threat to Ukrainian air. Not the most accurate/maneuverable, but they still have enough range to be dangerous until you can force the Russians to deplete their stocks.
SEAD doesnt actually need to destroy enemy batteries to succeed, otherwise it is DEAD
F-16s flying in the air and denying the enemy airspace also keeps russian AA from firing in the first place, because thjey light themselves up like a christmas tree once they fire
a relatively small number of aircraft that overmatch the defenders aircraft can control a massive battlespace as the enemy is forced to keep strict radar silence and only fire when absolutely necessary to reduce getting hit
this allows aircraft to fly without fear of AA, since the batteries are always under threat
>SEAD doesnt actually need to destroy enemy batteries to succeed, otherwise it is DEAD
Good point, and Ukraine has been able to achieve this to some degree already with what they have. Still, they haven't been able to do much about long range A2A from within Russia. It seems to me that this is what's really preventing them from having free reign in the air, and I don't know that F-16s will be enough to change that.
They're already upgraded to block 50/52, and the Dutch are claiming they will be upgraded before they're sent. Your guess is as good as mine as to what that means.
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The Mig-31 fleet will fall apart before any F-16s reach Ukraine
Russia already had issues maintaining their air assets before the war, imagine how much worse the problem is now
Cool, so you don't really need the F-16s then, huh?
This.
Early block F-16s are nicer than clapped out MiG-29s but they'll be staring down R-37s. They're really only interesting for being able to fire AMRAAMs to at least give themselves a fighting chance.
R-37s aren't an existential threat. they're meant to shoot down AWACS and tanker aircraft so they aren't all that maneuverable, a fighter should be able to evade them well enough. Still, they are enough of a danger that the Ukrainians will probably be pretty cautious about where and when they use these planes.
https://static.rusi.org/SR-Russian-Air-War-Ukraine-web-final.pdf >The VKS has been firing up to six R-37Ms per day during October, and the extremely high speed of the weapon, coupled with very long effective range and a seeker designed for engaging low-altitude targets, makes it particularly difficult to evade.76 >76: Author interview D with four senior Ukrainian Air Force commanders representing the aviation branch of the service, Ukraine, October 2022
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
>the extremely high speed of the weapon, coupled with very long effective range and a seeker designed for engaging low-altitude targets
Meaning it's tough to see it coming until it's too late(using Soviet/Russian RWR that's not terribly surprising), and staying low doesn't really confuse it, not that it's highly maneuverable. I agree though, it's kinda the one threat to air assets that Ukraine doesn't really have a good counter for.
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
>six R-37Ms per day
How many of those do they have? We're into the four digits by now
https://static.rusi.org/SR-Russian-Air-War-Ukraine-web-final.pdf >The VKS has been firing up to six R-37Ms per day during October, and the extremely high speed of the weapon, coupled with very long effective range and a seeker designed for engaging low-altitude targets, makes it particularly difficult to evade.76 >76: Author interview D with four senior Ukrainian Air Force commanders representing the aviation branch of the service, Ukraine, October 2022
Interesting. The UAF has lost 5 fighters since October that were either to missiles or unconfirmed reasons (GBAD and shrapnel from UAVs being other causes). Now if they are firing 6 of these a day (or even half of that) then clearly the "menacing" from your report is incredibly operative as they aren't getting many connections. It would seem that it is difficult but still possible to avoid as that seems the only logical explantion. Now, we could say that the Ukrainian pilots or gods or that the Russian equipment is ogshit but I think its more likely that its just munitions being pressed into a role they were not designed for. Even still, it seems clear its affecting the UAF's ability to carry out strike missions. >The long range of the R-37M, in conjunction with the very high performance and
high operating altitude of the Mig-31BM also allows it significant freedom to menace Ukrainian
aircraft near the frontlines from outside the range of Ukrainian defences. >menace
stfu retard. a burn-and-coast (which is most of them) missile gets exponentially harder to dodge the closer you get. sure, you can always go defensive before getting too close to the enemy kill zone but that still means you fail your mission.
open a fucking book.
2 weeks ago
Anonymous
Why are you pretending we aren't in agreement? Are you that hard up for someone to argue with? >Even still, it seems clear its affecting the UAF's ability to carry out strike missions.
Exactly this. They will not give Ukraine any air superiority, they are fucking old. People joke about the Russians using soviet era stuff, this is the western equivalent of that. They will still significantly improve the ability to do long range strikes (which can also disrupt Russian attacks from the black sea), and it'll be easier to get replacement parts than for the current soviet shit they have now.
They aren't going to be doing much SEAD, they are mainly there to be used as part of Ukraine's AD network, part of a replacement for the S-300s that are running low on missiles, since NATO does not produce similar SAMs in the same quantity.
A lot of what they will be doing is just shooting down cruise missiles/strategic drones and lobbing SDB/JDAM from low altitudes.
From the looks of things these will likely be the F-16 MLU, so not the best radar in the world, technically not even PESA.
They will still be a lot more threatening to Russian CAP and potential strike packages than MiG-29s though.
>so not the best radar in the world, technically not even PESA. >I know nothing but am going to pretend to be an expert and state my opinion with unearned authority
Fucking idiot
No. Only future equivalent is AIM-260 but Ukraine wouldn’t be getting that after it comes out in 2025.
The Navy is dicking around with Air-launched SM-6, probably as a stopgap to the PL-15 situation. The drawback is pretty visible, SM-6 is a huge 1800 pound missile (50% heavier than R-37M) that turns any plane carrying it into a fat pig and you can carry at most 2 of them. However integration would be pretty easy since SM-6 uses a lot of AIM-120C parts, so theoretically any plane that can shoot and datalink 120C can do so with SM-6. With the advantage of height and possibly a supersonic launch, I would expect AL SM-6 go go well over 300km.
The Navy is dicking around with Air-launched SM-6, probably as a stopgap to the PL-15 situation. The drawback is pretty visible, SM-6 is a huge 1800 pound missile (50% heavier than R-37M) that turns any plane carrying it into a fat pig and you can carry at most 2 of them. However integration would be pretty easy since SM-6 uses a lot of AIM-120C parts, so theoretically any plane that can shoot and datalink 120C can do so with SM-6. With the advantage of height and possibly a supersonic launch, I would expect AL SM-6 go go well over 300km.
that would be the aim-54 phoenix but those arent around anymore kek
No. Only future equivalent is AIM-260 but Ukraine wouldn’t be getting that after it comes out in 2025.
https://i.imgur.com/kAzx7tv.jpg
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The Navy is dicking around with Air-launched SM-6, probably as a stopgap to the PL-15 situation. The drawback is pretty visible, SM-6 is a huge 1800 pound missile (50% heavier than R-37M) that turns any plane carrying it into a fat pig and you can carry at most 2 of them. However integration would be pretty easy since SM-6 uses a lot of AIM-120C parts, so theoretically any plane that can shoot and datalink 120C can do so with SM-6. With the advantage of height and possibly a supersonic launch, I would expect AL SM-6 go go well over 300km.
>Ukraine will never get <insert western weapons system here>! >If Ukraine gets <weapons system>, it will change nothing! >>>YOU ARE HERE<<< >Russia destroyed all of Ukraine's new <weapon system>! NATO cope! ><weapon system> isn't that effective actually!
This has happened like a hundred times now and I'm starting to get bored with it.
>literally no one said they would never receive those things
You double moron there was piles of asshurt over Germany and Swedish fuck-fuck games regarding just the Gepard, let alone any MBTs. There was so much >"well supply lines and maintenance pipelines..."
regarding Bradleys for *months*. No one has forgotten all the hemming a hawing over Abrams' being too heavy for Ukrainian infrastructure.
Storm Shadows were for a good long time under the same long-range munitions "taboo" the West larped under and which the US still larps under w/r/t/ ATCAMS.
Who the fuck are you trying to lie to here?
Oh so you're a retarded tourist. >https://www.reuters.com/business/aerospace-defense/swiss-veto-german-request-re-export-tank-ammunition-ukraine-2022-04-26/
That's just for the Gepard and the Swiss (I said Swedish on fuck up) fuckery. You're on a board full of fuckers that have better memories than (You), dumbfuck.
>Storm Shadow
https://desuarchive.org/k/thread/55894676/#55897448
https://desuarchive.org/k/thread/55894676/#q55897518 >HIMARS
https://desuarchive.org/k/thread/53754715/#53755212
https://desuarchive.org/k/thread/53644432/#q53644675 >Patriot
https://desuarchive.org/k/thread/52908714/#q52909109
Someone else can dig up the rest, but you're full of shit.
JDAM truck which is still useful on its own and still better than nothing. Anyone saying SEAD is dreaming and thinks it's a magic ability they can learn in a few months of training among NATO allies. Maybe in a few years if the war is still ongoing because it becomes Syria-tier and the west is still willing to support them
>Ziggers can't stop thinking about anything but cocks.
The more likely scenario is a SU-57 getting slapped from across the border because they are nothing but hyped-up trash that only vatniks believe is worth the money that got laundered in its development.
>russia destroying itself demographically >dooming itself to become a resource colony of soulless Chinese bug people in the long run >betrayed European roots to be a Chinese bug people vassal >Russian culture will cease to exist outside wherever immigrants set up shop like Alaska >this is what winning looks like
I'm not even Russian but it's depressing to see a country self destruct like this
[...] >Ziggers can't stop thinking about anything but cocks.
The more likely scenario is a SU-57 getting slapped from across the border because they are nothing but hyped-up trash that only vatniks believe is worth the money that got laundered in its development.
https://i.imgur.com/txdzDOg.gif
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someone post the webm
have you tried not talking about cock?
luv me ukraine
luv me people's servant (ave all seasons on pirated dvd)
luv me bandera
ate putin
ate russians (not racist just not like em)
ate suckin todgers an otha buggery
simple as
>Soledar and Bakhmut are the only two major gains Russia has made in the last six to eight months.
You're gloating over the second army of the world taking two cities for 100k casualties while according to Murz and Rybar the Ukrainians never employed any of their strategic reserve personnel and no new equipment was used in the defense. Your shitting up the board with spam is unironically cope.
Now call me a glowie chud zogbot and say your favorite cope line about Ukraine still being occupied while Russia isn't lmao
its not about the planes, its about the munitions they can fire
NATO plane means NATO missiles, long range air-surface and air-air missiles, russian planes being shot down well inside russia territory, if Ukraine and NATO says "fuck it, lets shoot down the few russian planes that can deliver long range missiles"
You disregard Murz and Rybar but show me a screenshot of some literal who twitter rando with a Ukraine flag in his name?
Also look at picrel and tell me how exactly it'll be easy for the force that spent itself in and around Bakhmut and which is due for operational pause is going to assault westwards with great ease, against a defender which, again, according to even Russian sources, hasn't even dipped into their reserve personnel nor any of their new NATO equipment for the defense of the city? You're on PrepHole, you know things about military strategy, you can do that, right?
Noticed that as well. You'd think they'd be elated after taking the hyperdimentional fortress of Bakhmut in just 10 months, but there's massive zigger sneeding in this thread somehow.
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You disregard Murz and Rybar but show me a screenshot of some literal who twitter rando with a Ukraine flag in his name?
Also look at picrel and tell me how exactly it'll be easy for the force that spent itself in and around Bakhmut and which is due for operational pause is going to assault westwards with great ease, against a defender which, again, according to even Russian sources, hasn't even dipped into their reserve personnel nor any of their new NATO equipment for the defense of the city? You're on PrepHole, you know things about military strategy, you can do that, right?
>he thinks wagner is the only force russia dedicated to take bakhmut even though priggy has bitched about how shit the russians they fight with in bakhmut and that guerd their flanks are fucking worthless >wagner was decimated enough to require penal battalions and are rumored to be running away to sudan
i dont even need to say anymore because if you are so fucking stupid you think that wagner accounts for all casualties in bakhmut you are not worth the effort
cope and seethe gay. soon the western mbts and jets are gonna be shitting allll over the russoids. i hope they die slow.
>vatnigs coping and going full argument ad retardum
Who knew the little ole F-16 could cause such astronomical levels of ass pain. Maybe even worse than institutional conscript rape!?
Probably an amazing amount of stuff. They can use standoff munitions and safely fly over Ukrainian controlled territory, supported by all radars and AWACS, and protected by Ukrainian AA.
Russians will probably not even get a fix long enough in order to shoot down many.
>I'm just stoking the fire for the death of westcucks cowards like you
it's ukranians and russians that are dying >your AIDS
russia has the highest per capita of aids in europe and north america.
russia couldn't even achieve air surpremacy against Ukraine with their Mig-29 and Su-27. A bunch of F-16 will be enough to create a no fly zone to the Urals.
>Proof
US said so. The same people who said there was going to be a war 6 months before it started and we're right about everything that happened since then. >Yeah, that's still PMC
Then it's a useless qualifier as there is no difference from an army.
>win like in Bakhmut?
During the time it took for Russia to take Bakhmut (47 square miles) Russia lost 20k square miles and a bunch of cities that were magnitudes larger than Bakhmut. So yes, like in Bakhmut.
>a single victory >almost a year ago
20k square miles. During the time they were taking Bakhmut, which is 47 square miles. Russia traded 20k for 47. It's almost impossible to win harder than Ukraine does right now.
>They're just guessing.
Lol what? They guessed about Russia invading Ukraine in February? They were guessing for 6 months? They guessed about Russian northern flank collapsing a week before it happened? And literally everything else they said about this war? Again, they haven't been wrong once about anything in this whole war.
Well the predictions were right: announcing that the very strategic and significant town of Bakhmut was taken really bolstered the vatniks morale. Just look at them all fired up in this thread, they started throwing around the "globohomo" and "garden gnomes" again like it's february 2022. Nature really is healing.
So I’m betting on three squadrons of F-16s, that fair? Or do we think Ukie AF is gonna get 4 squadrons? 36 modern fighters is a pretty huge boost in capes for them, but with 4-5 squadrons they can actually establish air superiority
How is Ukraine going to deal with Mig-31s launching R-37s? Is there any way to counter this? It seems to me like they are extremely dangerous if the F-16s get caught in the no escape zone. >inb4 zigger
If this was a problem they didn't know a solution to Ukraine wouldn't get f16s in the first place. I will not claim to know how they will deal with it but I'm more than sure that nobody would give Ukraine those planes, if they were going to turn into R37 food.
The defense against this is simply don't be in the NEZ, which is simple to do since a lot of the fighting happens well within Ukraine's borders. The Russians don't dare to fly their precious Mig-31's deep into Ukrainian territory due to Ukrainian IADS. From long range the R-37M has very poor pk against agile fighters.
The R-37 is designed for big targets or other fighters at high altitude. In dense air it won't track a defensive fighter.
Just because it's a death ray in DCS doesn't mean it is IRL
>How is Ukraine going to deal with Mig-31s launching R-37s? Is there any way to counter this? It seems to me like they are extremely dangerous if the F-16s get caught in the no escape zone.
The biggest factor will be that the F-16 will probably have substantially better early warning systems than Ukraine's older Mig-29s. The more warning time a fighter has, the more the R-37's poor maneuverability handicaps its kill probability.
If you want realistic chances of killing Mig-31's? You're probably talking about how long it'll take western defense industry types to get the F-16 compatible with Meteors.
Remember those HARM missiles they got?
They weren't operating them to their full potential because they had to improvise a way to get them working on their MiG-29's.
and let's not forget every other nato Air mounted missile that can now be donated with ease.
they have billions of KG of old Aim-120Bs and Cs, SDB-1s, dumb bombs rusting in Germany somewhere need to be disposed, Harpoons converted to ground attack called SLAM-ER AGM-84H, all about to go bad, but now gloriously released in the crisp spring air over eastern Ukraine before plunging into rotting carcass of the Russian military.
the F-16 can fire anything, and during the cold war, billions of kg of anything were built and stored and that's the fuck why Prigozhin is getting the hell out of doge. bakhmut will be a parking lot if sizeable units are caught within by F-16s
Biden was right to release them now the old cunt because it would have scared the Russians off earlier and not killed so many
>haven't read the thread but I;m sure some idiot brought it up
The Irbis-E is a piece of crap and the radar in the MLUed F-16s is actually superior in most ways despite it not being PESA/AESA.
The jeets need to start thinking hard about what a war with the Chinese would look like and what sort of equipment they'd need to fight it. Using military procurement simply as an avenue for foreign diplomacy without other consideration is gonna lead them to ruin.
At least it’ll help keep the air contested like now. Ukraine started with such a tiny and terrible air force compared to Russia that they could probably all get shot down eventually.
That would probably have made it a bit easier for Russia to attack on the ground.
Can you use an air to air missile to destroy another air to air missile? Could you protect one of these older aircraft by giving it really modern missiles?
>Can you use an air to air missile to destroy another air to air missile?
In theory, yes. We have had AA munition collisons recorded in that past. Functionally though it isn't nearly reliable enough. One of the major issues to that is that up until the recent introduction of offbore release you'd have to be flying directly at it which is probably one of the worst defensive postures.
The Dutch had like 200 f16s and have pawned most of them off but I think they still have a few and are fully going in on the f35 so theyll probably give them 40 or 50 f16s.
Assuming several means like 4-ish and ukrainians could keep 1/3rd of the fleet in the air at all times...
48x6x1/3 is 96 AMRAAMs or almost as many HARMs ready to beat the shit out of soviet junk at any given moment
Imagine being a military engineer who worked on cold war stuff. All you work barely got used for what I was meant to, you where affraid it was going to go to waste.
Then, in retirement, you switch your TV on some day, and you can see dozen of vids of your little guys, crafted with love, being used in a war against Russia. Must bring a tear to the eyes.
Another Ukraine shill cope thread to deflect losing the most vital city of the war. 99% sure this entire thread is Biden bots trying to accelerate the west neutering itself selling advanced NATO hardware to China by way of Ukraine. Funny US is about to bankrupt. Turns out selling McDonald’s to yourself isn’t an actual economy.
Strike
CAP
OCA
CAS
All kinds of fun stuff.
SEAD
Perhaps even...
SNEED
Wait I think I've got it
>Suppression or Neutralization of Enemy Elements of Defense
Suppression & Neutralization of Enemy Elements and Defenses
stealing and naturalization of enemy equipment and defenses
for when an s-400 complex mysteriously appears in nellis
You think you're right but you're wrong fucking ruskie bitch
Superiority
Not
Endangered
Engaging
Dedovshchinaniks
nice
But what about CHUCK?
Ah that's for the new autonomous drones that attack exposed troops.
Close Human-Unsupervised Combatant Killer
When the drones still required operators, they were called Supervised Near-Enemy Explosive Delivery
>SEAD
I'm very interested to see how much of a difference these aircraft will actually make. As far as I know the primary issue is that Russian aircraft can fly CAP from within Russia because their missiles outrange what the Ukrainians have. These F-16s aren't going to change that, so they might not be able to use them to do much SEAD.
>These F-16s aren't going to change that
AIM-120C's completely outrange R-27's, and going to out-range the R-77 in most conditions. My guess is that the primary A2A missile of the russochimps is STILL the R-27.
See this promo pic from before the war, when they couldn't get R-77's for even a propaganda shot, and had to arm their "Raptor-killer" Su-35 with basically a worse Sparrow.
SEAD doesnt actually need to destroy enemy batteries to succeed, otherwise it is DEAD
F-16s flying in the air and denying the enemy airspace also keeps russian AA from firing in the first place, because thjey light themselves up like a christmas tree once they fire
a relatively small number of aircraft that overmatch the defenders aircraft can control a massive battlespace as the enemy is forced to keep strict radar silence and only fire when absolutely necessary to reduce getting hit
this allows aircraft to fly without fear of AA, since the batteries are always under threat
you have no idea what you are talking about
the f16s are going to be the ones flying very carefully, since there are huge amounts of s300 and s400 batteries that completely outrange them
>batteries that completely outrange them
Mind that range is something that's jotted down on paper for propaganda and export sales.
The S-400 max range is basically measured with the target at high altitude, heading towards the site, and not taking evasive action.
The double height masts for radar in the S-300 system put it at 38 meters AGL, which means that max range for a target at 5k ft is 180km with refraction taken into account. Those masts limit mobility because they take an hour to erect and take down. Let's bring the radar back down to 7 meters (guesstimation) and the aircraft to 3,000 feet. Max range for that target is 135 km.
Obviously fighters have to fly carefully around SAMs, but that was always the reality.
>SEAD
This. I knew that the Russian ground forces were going to be completely disarmed via destruction of everything but it looks like the G7/USA/EU/NATO is going for the bonus level and removing the entire Russian airforce as well.
The truth is it is enough to erase all Russia fighter, ground attack, helicopter and strategic bombers forces as well as ripping apart Russian air defences. I for one am happy that Russia over.
Nice coping. K will be fun in a year or 2.
No it's not. An SU-35 is perfectly capable of going toe to toe with an F-16, even in BVR as long as it has Fox 3s. It has a more powerful radar than the block 15/20 F-16s up for grabs, a longer range, and it carries more missiles. It just means the ukies have a fighting chance in such a situation. SEAD with HARMs is probably the biggest boon for them. If they can reduce the airspace denial the Russians have, it would significantly benefit ukraine in terms of landing cruise misiles on targets and doing strikes with aircraft
Depends,
>supplied with HARMs, MALDs and SDBs
SNEED the Russian GBAD, then drive them out of the country
>not supplied with the above
Dodge S-300s and potshots from MiG-31s without being able to retaliate.
None of this is possible without
probably destroy the whole russian military
kill vatnigs and dpr gays
Probably nothing - these are old ass planes with shitty non-AESA radars that are already outgunned by MiG-31s and Su-35s
Checked and true...
Look at all these bootlicking retards
The Mig-31 fleet will fall apart before any F-16s reach Ukraine
Russia already had issues maintaining their air assets before the war, imagine how much worse the problem is now
I see you omitted the sukhois lmao
Because the sukhois aren't doing the brunt of russia's air to air work anon, it's Mig-31s firing from inside russia
Forcing the Foxhounds to the air as often as possible will eventually cause maintenance issues. Also, if decoys such as towable targets were used, even without the Vipers, you get the Russians to waste R-37s.
>Forcing the Foxhounds to the air as often as possible will eventually cause maintenance issues.
This is a good point, didn't really consider that to be honest.
>decoys
We know they have ADM-160 MALDs from that strike a little while ago, those will probably be a huge help for SEAD.
>AIM-120C's completely outrange R-27's, and going to out-range the R-77 in most conditions.
Do we know what kind of A2A missiles they're getting with the F-16s? Also, like the first anon I replied to said, R-37s have been a pretty substantial threat to Ukrainian air. Not the most accurate/maneuverable, but they still have enough range to be dangerous until you can force the Russians to deplete their stocks.
>SEAD doesnt actually need to destroy enemy batteries to succeed, otherwise it is DEAD
Good point, and Ukraine has been able to achieve this to some degree already with what they have. Still, they haven't been able to do much about long range A2A from within Russia. It seems to me that this is what's really preventing them from having free reign in the air, and I don't know that F-16s will be enough to change that.
They're getting upgraded before they're sent, which most likely means AESA is included. Rumor has it AIM-120D is on the table too.
Lol they are not upgrading the busted ass euro block 20 F16s to block 70
They're already upgraded to block 50/52, and the Dutch are claiming they will be upgraded before they're sent. Your guess is as good as mine as to what that means.
They are not sticking Aesa’s on 30 year old F16Cs. SEAD/Nav/targeting/jamming pods, full HARM integration, and sdb1 spam is a nasty combo tho
Any soviet junk that gets within these planes will also get lit up by Patriot or IRIS-T. Nobody is planning to fly to Vladivostok
Cool, so you don't really need the F-16s then, huh?
This.
Early block F-16s are nicer than clapped out MiG-29s but they'll be staring down R-37s. They're really only interesting for being able to fire AMRAAMs to at least give themselves a fighting chance.
R-37s aren't an existential threat. they're meant to shoot down AWACS and tanker aircraft so they aren't all that maneuverable, a fighter should be able to evade them well enough. Still, they are enough of a danger that the Ukrainians will probably be pretty cautious about where and when they use these planes.
>a fighter should be able to evade them well enough
Per RUSI interviews, that's wrong. R-37's are particularly difficult to evade.
>Per RUSI interviews
This is where you link it alongside your claims
https://static.rusi.org/SR-Russian-Air-War-Ukraine-web-final.pdf
>The VKS has been firing up to six R-37Ms per day during October, and the extremely high speed of the weapon, coupled with very long effective range and a seeker designed for engaging low-altitude targets, makes it particularly difficult to evade.76
>76: Author interview D with four senior Ukrainian Air Force commanders representing the aviation branch of the service, Ukraine, October 2022
>the extremely high speed of the weapon, coupled with very long effective range and a seeker designed for engaging low-altitude targets
Meaning it's tough to see it coming until it's too late(using Soviet/Russian RWR that's not terribly surprising), and staying low doesn't really confuse it, not that it's highly maneuverable. I agree though, it's kinda the one threat to air assets that Ukraine doesn't really have a good counter for.
>six R-37Ms per day
How many of those do they have? We're into the four digits by now
Interesting. The UAF has lost 5 fighters since October that were either to missiles or unconfirmed reasons (GBAD and shrapnel from UAVs being other causes). Now if they are firing 6 of these a day (or even half of that) then clearly the "menacing" from your report is incredibly operative as they aren't getting many connections. It would seem that it is difficult but still possible to avoid as that seems the only logical explantion. Now, we could say that the Ukrainian pilots or gods or that the Russian equipment is ogshit but I think its more likely that its just munitions being pressed into a role they were not designed for. Even still, it seems clear its affecting the UAF's ability to carry out strike missions.
>The long range of the R-37M, in conjunction with the very high performance and
high operating altitude of the Mig-31BM also allows it significant freedom to menace Ukrainian
aircraft near the frontlines from outside the range of Ukrainian defences.
>menace
stfu retard. a burn-and-coast (which is most of them) missile gets exponentially harder to dodge the closer you get. sure, you can always go defensive before getting too close to the enemy kill zone but that still means you fail your mission.
open a fucking book.
Why are you pretending we aren't in agreement? Are you that hard up for someone to argue with?
>Even still, it seems clear its affecting the UAF's ability to carry out strike missions.
The real game changer is the meteor missile that has the range to stop russia from using glide bombs
Is Ukriane getting them? (or equivalent US missiles)
No one is giving them those
LMAO, you wanna bet? The bongs are going to give 'em those, jsut liek they gave 'em everything else you shills said nobody would give 'em..
No. No one has given them anything resembling their latest and greatest best shit. The US wont even put DU armor in the tanks they are sending.
Probably the most advanced tech they have been sent so far are storm shadows or brimstones, and thats because russia already has their own equivalents
Well, we sent PAC-3 CRI from the pictures of wreckage we've seen. DU armored tanks require an act of congress to export.
Russia has no equivalent of either retard
>brimstones
>Russian equivalent
>No one is giving them those
I bet you said the same for Storm Shadow lmao
>No one is giving them those
>SU-57
>>>PrepHole
4+ combat kills known,
>F-22: 0
May I see them?
idk looks pretty confirmed to me, moron
I don't even know why you are entertaining his retarded logic
Nothing since Armata flies faster and further and carriers thiccer ordnance. The toe is on the other foot.
The only reason they are getting F16's is to use as platform for cruise missiles
Exactly this. They will not give Ukraine any air superiority, they are fucking old. People joke about the Russians using soviet era stuff, this is the western equivalent of that. They will still significantly improve the ability to do long range strikes (which can also disrupt Russian attacks from the black sea), and it'll be easier to get replacement parts than for the current soviet shit they have now.
They aren't going to be doing much SEAD, they are mainly there to be used as part of Ukraine's AD network, part of a replacement for the S-300s that are running low on missiles, since NATO does not produce similar SAMs in the same quantity.
A lot of what they will be doing is just shooting down cruise missiles/strategic drones and lobbing SDB/JDAM from low altitudes.
From the looks of things these will likely be the F-16 MLU, so not the best radar in the world, technically not even PESA.
They will still be a lot more threatening to Russian CAP and potential strike packages than MiG-29s though.
>day 334: Mexico reports receipt of downgraded J-15s, which should delete American air defenses along the border
>so not the best radar in the world, technically not even PESA.
>I know nothing but am going to pretend to be an expert and state my opinion with unearned authority
Fucking idiot
Excellent source you have there
Mind sending me another one? Eurasian Times perhaps?
Troll hundreds of thousands of Russians..
No they're fucking NOT. They aren't even confirmed.
Didn’t you watch top gun? Su 57 can’t even beat a decrepit f14.. like cope and seethe ruskie
Ability to use western ALCM and SEAD and BVRAAM
According to this woman, not that much
https://twitter.com/BrynnTannehill/status/1660261077026762753
Women aren't allowed to be fighter pilots lmao that whole thing is fake vatnik FUD
>Women aren't allowed to be fighter pilots
In whose air force?
Literally who?
She is former naval aviator. I think she is credible
>listening to women
Anon….
lots.
I hope they just strafe the trenches with the Vulcan. Then make another pass to drop leaflets to the survivors, but it's just dicks drawn on paper
Nothing. This is not an escalation. There is nothing to worry about.
>Actual Su-57 kills confirmed in these articles: 0
Stop lying, vatmoron.
Is their a western answer to the R-37 and R-37M? Something that would actually be shared with Ukraine that is (so no stealth obviously).
No. Only future equivalent is AIM-260 but Ukraine wouldn’t be getting that after it comes out in 2025.
The Navy is dicking around with Air-launched SM-6, probably as a stopgap to the PL-15 situation. The drawback is pretty visible, SM-6 is a huge 1800 pound missile (50% heavier than R-37M) that turns any plane carrying it into a fat pig and you can carry at most 2 of them. However integration would be pretty easy since SM-6 uses a lot of AIM-120C parts, so theoretically any plane that can shoot and datalink 120C can do so with SM-6. With the advantage of height and possibly a supersonic launch, I would expect AL SM-6 go go well over 300km.
SM-6 is not for planes. It is for missiles
SM-6 is for both, SM-3 is only for missiles.
that would be the aim-54 phoenix but those arent around anymore kek
Can't a rocket booster be strapped to an AMRAAM?
yeah but that's probably more work than strapping an SM-6 to a hornet as a test. the AIM-260 is supposed to be operational really soon anyway
>the SU-57
At least you correctly stated there's a singular one
>Ukraine will never get <insert western weapons system here>!
>If Ukraine gets <weapons system>, it will change nothing!
>>>YOU ARE HERE<<<
>Russia destroyed all of Ukraine's new <weapon system>! NATO cope!
><weapon system> isn't that effective actually!
This has happened like a hundred times now and I'm starting to get bored with it.
List 5 examples
No u
>HIMARS
>FGM-148/NLAW
>HARMs/Storm Shadow/MALD
>M777
>Gepard
Forgot to include Patriot and NASAMS with Gepard
literally no one said they would never receive those things
its only been the jets that have been the major discussion, from near day 1
>literally no one said they would never receive those things
You double moron there was piles of asshurt over Germany and Swedish fuck-fuck games regarding just the Gepard, let alone any MBTs. There was so much
>"well supply lines and maintenance pipelines..."
regarding Bradleys for *months*. No one has forgotten all the hemming a hawing over Abrams' being too heavy for Ukrainian infrastructure.
Storm Shadows were for a good long time under the same long-range munitions "taboo" the West larped under and which the US still larps under w/r/t/ ATCAMS.
Who the fuck are you trying to lie to here?
you are lying and full of shit
Oh so you're a retarded tourist.
>https://www.reuters.com/business/aerospace-defense/swiss-veto-german-request-re-export-tank-ammunition-ukraine-2022-04-26/
That's just for the Gepard and the Swiss (I said Swedish on fuck up) fuckery. You're on a board full of fuckers that have better memories than (You), dumbfuck.
you are liar
Vranyo only works if we play along, retard.
>Storm Shadow
https://desuarchive.org/k/thread/55894676/#55897448
https://desuarchive.org/k/thread/55894676/#q55897518
>HIMARS
https://desuarchive.org/k/thread/53754715/#53755212
https://desuarchive.org/k/thread/53644432/#q53644675
>Patriot
https://desuarchive.org/k/thread/52908714/#q52909109
Someone else can dig up the rest, but you're full of shit.
Lying again doesn’t stop us from seeing through those same lies
>Patriot
>Storm Shadow
>Bradleys
>Abrams
>HARM
HIMARs
HARMs
Western AA
Western Tanks
Western IFVs
Western Cruise Missiles
JDAM truck which is still useful on its own and still better than nothing. Anyone saying SEAD is dreaming and thinks it's a magic ability they can learn in a few months of training among NATO allies. Maybe in a few years if the war is still ongoing because it becomes Syria-tier and the west is still willing to support them
>Ziggers can't stop thinking about anything but cocks.
The more likely scenario is a SU-57 getting slapped from across the border because they are nothing but hyped-up trash that only vatniks believe is worth the money that got laundered in its development.
you'll notice that they can only imagine social exchanges in the context of prison rape, that is how mind broken they are
The Soviets were receiving lend-lease from ‘41 to ‘45.
The Russians can have Heraclea.
>losing one (1) town of 50,000 after 9 months
Just another 2 weeks and puccia might move the line forward another 6 inches!
someone post the webm
have you tried not talking about cock?
192
>russia destroying itself demographically
>dooming itself to become a resource colony of soulless Chinese bug people in the long run
>betrayed European roots to be a Chinese bug people vassal
>Russian culture will cease to exist outside wherever immigrants set up shop like Alaska
>this is what winning looks like
I'm not even Russian but it's depressing to see a country self destruct like this
Russia barely was a real country. It's a prison
luv me ukraine
luv me people's servant (ave all seasons on pirated dvd)
luv me bandera
ate putin
ate russians (not racist just not like em)
ate suckin todgers an otha buggery
simple as
t. Big Blyazza from Dneperstershire
>BIG RED COCK
>GET PRISON FUCKED
You can't help yourself can you?
>The mighty red rocket cock of the ass will be inside the ass of the ukrane boy ahahaha
>Soledar and Bakhmut are the only two major gains Russia has made in the last six to eight months.
You're gloating over the second army of the world taking two cities for 100k casualties while according to Murz and Rybar the Ukrainians never employed any of their strategic reserve personnel and no new equipment was used in the defense. Your shitting up the board with spam is unironically cope.
Now call me a glowie chud zogbot and say your favorite cope line about Ukraine still being occupied while Russia isn't lmao
Are they going to surrender now? What's next after Bakhmut?
>What can you do with dozens of F16s?
its not about the planes, its about the munitions they can fire
NATO plane means NATO missiles, long range air-surface and air-air missiles, russian planes being shot down well inside russia territory, if Ukraine and NATO says "fuck it, lets shoot down the few russian planes that can deliver long range missiles"
>Spriter
I could piss in your mouth and call it rain, gay.
then post actual proofs not schizo ramblings, you absolute retard.
You disregard Murz and Rybar but show me a screenshot of some literal who twitter rando with a Ukraine flag in his name?
Also look at picrel and tell me how exactly it'll be easy for the force that spent itself in and around Bakhmut and which is due for operational pause is going to assault westwards with great ease, against a defender which, again, according to even Russian sources, hasn't even dipped into their reserve personnel nor any of their new NATO equipment for the defense of the city? You're on PrepHole, you know things about military strategy, you can do that, right?
>that image
vatniks really are reaching into the bottom depths of cope
>PRISON FUCK
>BIG RED COCK
yep, genuine russian poster confirmed
The ass is in the ass
do you talk about anything other than gay anal sex and trannies?
Honestly impressed twitter botnets still just use random numbers after thier name.
Also no sure how people havent picked how easy it is to spot.
>YOU'RE A garden gnome
>NO YOU'RE A garden gnome
>NUH UH YOU'RE A garden gnome
ffs
Imagine fucking up an invasion so bad the country you were supposed to be 440 days ago is getting fighter jet squadrons as a birthday present.
Kill Russkies, the reason F-16 was conceived and born
No wonder Prigorzhin wants to get the fuck out of town
LMAO at the vatmorons shitting their pants ITT
Noticed that as well. You'd think they'd be elated after taking the hyperdimentional fortress of Bakhmut in just 10 months, but there's massive zigger sneeding in this thread somehow.
Answer this anon ->
[...]
You disregard Murz and Rybar but show me a screenshot of some literal who twitter rando with a Ukraine flag in his name?
Also look at picrel and tell me how exactly it'll be easy for the force that spent itself in and around Bakhmut and which is due for operational pause is going to assault westwards with great ease, against a defender which, again, according to even Russian sources, hasn't even dipped into their reserve personnel nor any of their new NATO equipment for the defense of the city? You're on PrepHole, you know things about military strategy, you can do that, right?
>he thinks wagner is the only force russia dedicated to take bakhmut even though priggy has bitched about how shit the russians they fight with in bakhmut and that guerd their flanks are fucking worthless
>wagner was decimated enough to require penal battalions and are rumored to be running away to sudan
i dont even need to say anymore because if you are so fucking stupid you think that wagner accounts for all casualties in bakhmut you are not worth the effort
cope and seethe gay. soon the western mbts and jets are gonna be shitting allll over the russoids. i hope they die slow.
>they can't even start a counteroffensive, that's over
Man I remember where you called Kherson a twitter offensive. How did that work out?
Blow up the bridge connecting Crimea to Russia.
>vatnigs coping and going full argument ad retardum
Who knew the little ole F-16 could cause such astronomical levels of ass pain. Maybe even worse than institutional conscript rape!?
>they are winning!!11!!111
Lmao then why do they need the jets so bad?? Why is that moron always begging for shit?
So they can win harder. A better question is why are Russians crying about all these weapons if they don't do anything?
You guys are really scared of a jet from the 80’s huh… are MiGs really that bad??
Probably an amazing amount of stuff. They can use standoff munitions and safely fly over Ukrainian controlled territory, supported by all radars and AWACS, and protected by Ukrainian AA.
Russians will probably not even get a fix long enough in order to shoot down many.
pure copium
an f16 is not a stealth plane, its just as much of a target as a shitty old mig is
I'm thinking this is trolling, but it's russians we're talking about and they can really be this fucking stupid
>a PMC that has 100k men to lose, tanks, enough artillery to level a city and air force
lol, lmao
>I'm just stoking the fire for the death of westcucks cowards like you :3 But you're finished with your AIDS, cuckolditor
F16 is ancient. What can it do against modern Russian planes and AA?
go ask russia
they are the ones calling it a red line.
It can carry bombs and good missiles and a 45 year old plane is enough to deal with Russia (and anyone else in the world for that matter).
>I'm just stoking the fire for the death of westcucks cowards like you
it's ukranians and russians that are dying
>your AIDS
russia has the highest per capita of aids in europe and north america.
russia couldn't even achieve air surpremacy against Ukraine with their Mig-29 and Su-27. A bunch of F-16 will be enough to create a no fly zone to the Urals.
there has been little to no air combat since the first few weeks. we are in the age of aid defense, get with the program
>But you're finished with your AIDS, cuckolditor
Big words from the highest aids rates in europe
>Proof
US said so. The same people who said there was going to be a war 6 months before it started and we're right about everything that happened since then.
>Yeah, that's still PMC
Then it's a useless qualifier as there is no difference from an army.
Win like in Kyiv, Kherson (forever Russian btw), Kharkiv, and a dozen other small towns roughly the size of Backmut :^)
>win like in Bakhmut?
During the time it took for Russia to take Bakhmut (47 square miles) Russia lost 20k square miles and a bunch of cities that were magnitudes larger than Bakhmut. So yes, like in Bakhmut.
>Sometimes
They were right about everything they said about this war since before it started.
>Do you know the meaning of PMC
Yeah, and Wagner doesn't qualify by any metric. Just because you call part of your army a PMC doesn't make it so.
>no one is interested in the opinion of these shitskin morons
He wrote in a language he learned in order to understand us lmao
dozen is a squadron in ukrainian military doctrine, i remember there was a video explaining why it's 12 but i can't find it
target practice
Lol U didn't think a few old planes would scare the vatnicks so much.
These few old planes will make Russian military defeat inevitable. Of course they are scared.
>a single victory
>almost a year ago
20k square miles. During the time they were taking Bakhmut, which is 47 square miles. Russia traded 20k for 47. It's almost impossible to win harder than Ukraine does right now.
>GET PRISON FUCKED
You would love to, wouldn't you?
>They're just guessing.
Lol what? They guessed about Russia invading Ukraine in February? They were guessing for 6 months? They guessed about Russian northern flank collapsing a week before it happened? And literally everything else they said about this war? Again, they haven't been wrong once about anything in this whole war.
>best soldiers
their best soldiers have western gear, which was not present at bakhmut
It could. You know exactly like Russians did during Napoleonic wars and during WW2.
>The area of the territory does not matter
>And more than 20% of Ukraine is still controlled by Russia
lol, lmao
Is that what you're being told? Do you think it makes sense that attacking into enemy positions incurs more losses to them than the attacker?
>the Russians just abandoned and ran away
They abandoned hundreds of tanks and piece of artillery in Kharkiv. Without battle.
>vatmoron can’t count past 1
OOF
>bonus points for a single victory over 9 months (2nd army of the world btw)
Well the predictions were right: announcing that the very strategic and significant town of Bakhmut was taken really bolstered the vatniks morale. Just look at them all fired up in this thread, they started throwing around the "globohomo" and "garden gnomes" again like it's february 2022. Nature really is healing.
belgium has two wings of f-16 that haven't had the last block of upgrades
and they are getting f-35 so they won't need those two wings for much longer
So I’m betting on three squadrons of F-16s, that fair? Or do we think Ukie AF is gonna get 4 squadrons? 36 modern fighters is a pretty huge boost in capes for them, but with 4-5 squadrons they can actually establish air superiority
4 squadrons
4 X 18
Unlimited parts
Unlimited replacements
Unlimited ammo
Its like the christmas in-game special purchase
>What can you do with dozens of F16s?
they can carry B-61 nukes
How is Ukraine going to deal with Mig-31s launching R-37s? Is there any way to counter this? It seems to me like they are extremely dangerous if the F-16s get caught in the no escape zone.
>inb4 zigger
If this was a problem they didn't know a solution to Ukraine wouldn't get f16s in the first place. I will not claim to know how they will deal with it but I'm more than sure that nobody would give Ukraine those planes, if they were going to turn into R37 food.
The defense against this is simply don't be in the NEZ, which is simple to do since a lot of the fighting happens well within Ukraine's borders. The Russians don't dare to fly their precious Mig-31's deep into Ukrainian territory due to Ukrainian IADS. From long range the R-37M has very poor pk against agile fighters.
R-37s are expensive, they will deal with them by dodging them until Russia runs low and is forced to engage at closer ranges with R-77.
The R-37 is designed for big targets or other fighters at high altitude. In dense air it won't track a defensive fighter.
Just because it's a death ray in DCS doesn't mean it is IRL
>How is Ukraine going to deal with Mig-31s launching R-37s? Is there any way to counter this? It seems to me like they are extremely dangerous if the F-16s get caught in the no escape zone.
The biggest factor will be that the F-16 will probably have substantially better early warning systems than Ukraine's older Mig-29s. The more warning time a fighter has, the more the R-37's poor maneuverability handicaps its kill probability.
If you want realistic chances of killing Mig-31's? You're probably talking about how long it'll take western defense industry types to get the F-16 compatible with Meteors.
>And when they said shit, it doesn't count
What are you even talking about? When was the US ever verifiably wrong about anything in this conflict?
https://www.youtube.com/@Karaya1
>my boy Karaya is getting a F-16
Kino is on it's way guys
>Karaya
Lol, Karaya-1 was Erich Hartmann's callsign.
These bros just can't help themselves, can they?
Remember those HARM missiles they got?
They weren't operating them to their full potential because they had to improvise a way to get them working on their MiG-29's.
and let's not forget every other nato Air mounted missile that can now be donated with ease.
they have billions of KG of old Aim-120Bs and Cs, SDB-1s, dumb bombs rusting in Germany somewhere need to be disposed, Harpoons converted to ground attack called SLAM-ER AGM-84H, all about to go bad, but now gloriously released in the crisp spring air over eastern Ukraine before plunging into rotting carcass of the Russian military.
the F-16 can fire anything, and during the cold war, billions of kg of anything were built and stored and that's the fuck why Prigozhin is getting the hell out of doge. bakhmut will be a parking lot if sizeable units are caught within by F-16s
Biden was right to release them now the old cunt because it would have scared the Russians off earlier and not killed so many
I play DCS World, which strives to be 100% real-world accurate, so I can attest:
Total VVS death.
>haven't read the thread but I;m sure some idiot brought it up
The Irbis-E is a piece of crap and the radar in the MLUed F-16s is actually superior in most ways despite it not being PESA/AESA.
The Poos bought a lot of Irbis-E, the dumbfucks as usual
The jeets need to start thinking hard about what a war with the Chinese would look like and what sort of equipment they'd need to fight it. Using military procurement simply as an avenue for foreign diplomacy without other consideration is gonna lead them to ruin.
Blow up vatmorons
Strike some targets in Russia.
Pic unrelated.
I can't believe no one has said it yet so I'll do it. The correct answer, AHEM - Bomb Donetsk children.
Ooooo, so edgy, so cool.
I'd call you a gay but nice GET
WRONG! The correct answer is: "Bomb Luhansk babushkas"
The English will price pay for meddling with nations aircrafts. I suspect
Mate, we’re paying the price for being born on this hell island. Just a little gift 🙂
>What can you do with dozens of F16s?
Recapture Belgorod in the name of the Kievan Rus and Emperor Zelenskyy.
You can splash dozens of times, courtesy of one SU-57
>Early block F-16s are nicer than clapped out MiG-29s but they'll be staring down R-37s
Confirmed dumbass
>ur stoopid!
Confirmed PrepHoleoping.
At least it’ll help keep the air contested like now. Ukraine started with such a tiny and terrible air force compared to Russia that they could probably all get shot down eventually.
That would probably have made it a bit easier for Russia to attack on the ground.
And you are a retarded ESL turd worlder.
SPAMRAAM.
Can you use an air to air missile to destroy another air to air missile? Could you protect one of these older aircraft by giving it really modern missiles?
>Can you use an air to air missile to destroy another air to air missile?
In theory, yes. We have had AA munition collisons recorded in that past. Functionally though it isn't nearly reliable enough. One of the major issues to that is that up until the recent introduction of offbore release you'd have to be flying directly at it which is probably one of the worst defensive postures.
Which countries have come out and said they will give Ukraine F-16s? None as far as I know
Belgium and the Netherlands are moving onto the F-35 so have surplus F-16s
And Denmark
The Dutch had like 200 f16s and have pawned most of them off but I think they still have a few and are fully going in on the f35 so theyll probably give them 40 or 50 f16s.
Assuming several means like 4-ish and ukrainians could keep 1/3rd of the fleet in the air at all times...
48x6x1/3 is 96 AMRAAMs or almost as many HARMs ready to beat the shit out of soviet junk at any given moment
Imagine being a military engineer who worked on cold war stuff. All you work barely got used for what I was meant to, you where affraid it was going to go to waste.
Then, in retirement, you switch your TV on some day, and you can see dozen of vids of your little guys, crafted with love, being used in a war against Russia. Must bring a tear to the eyes.
Another Ukraine shill cope thread to deflect losing the most vital city of the war. 99% sure this entire thread is Biden bots trying to accelerate the west neutering itself selling advanced NATO hardware to China by way of Ukraine. Funny US is about to bankrupt. Turns out selling McDonald’s to yourself isn’t an actual economy.
>losing the most vital city of the war
Kiev?