i have an even better question.
in the entire sad history of the russian country, did they ever win even 1 offensive war, EVER?
i swear every time i hear russia invaded somebody - anybody, it always ended with a complete fricking disaster for the russians.
>Does NATO posses the capability of stopping a Russian invasion of Europe without resorting to nukes?
hypothetically, in feb 23 2022, without the US, i don't think so, russia may suck but they have tons of shit. now with everyone rearming themselves and Poland being there with all the cool new toys, no chance.
ofc they did. russia became the biggest country on earth like every other empire and they genocided everyone who they managed to conquer. they may be shitty in warfare but always had quantity advantage and complete disregard for human life.
look at ukraine and you have every answer you need at how they operate and operated for ages >grab land >kill everyone who resists >kill everyone in politics/art/literature who wasn't willing to collaborate >force everyone to speak and write russian >rewrite history
and there you have it, new territory, resources and fricking nobody to tell how that happened. and now in 2023 you have tons of morons saying pidorashkas dindu nuffin they were the most peaceful country on the planet and always fought defensive wars
and it's just so happened they have borders from europe to fricking china.
My man, they didn’t even make it half way through Ukraine before collapsing spectacularly. How would they make it to the Vistula river, let alone the Rhine? They may have made it half way through the baltic countries and that’s about it.
>My man, they didn’t even make it half way through Ukraine before collapsing spectacularly.
don't dismiss ukies, they were willing to fight and were ready. they fought on their own in first fase of war with their own old ass soviet shit.
how many countries in eu you can name that have enough supplies for like at least month of fighting? enough ammo/155 shells? or maybe ready to fight tanks and armored vehicles? and most important, people ready for a fight, ukrainians had army with experience of conventinal fighting.
europe in terms of military force fricking sucked on 23 feb 2022 and i'm not even starting to talk about politics. how many euro politicians would be willing to just give monke some territory so he fricks off? or like how many times someone like hungary will just veto some eu parliament decision to send forces to fight ruskies. as we saw with ukraine, eu and nato are slow as frick in decision making. also let's assume ruskies weren't expecting everyone to greet them with open arms and were ready for a fight. and the moment about air defense, it's cool to joke "what air defense doing" but russian AD is no joke itself, ukrainian planes and helis are not flying close to it.
idk man, without the US i don't believe euros had high chances to repel russian advances or resist long enough.
>idk man, without the US i don't believe euros had high chances to repel russian advances or resist long enough.
But "without the US" was never a realistic scenario. Also while it is true that the countries closer to Russia are more militaristic, you shouldn't forget that there is a causal relation between these two factors. The closer you are to Russia, the more military you need to feel safe. If Russia succesfully invaded Ukraine, Poland or the Baltics, you bet your ass militarism in Germany, France, Benelux would rise accordingly. Would that be enough to stop a strong Russia? I don't know. But people act like these things are completely static.
Nobody who knows will tell you how much of what is at what state of readiness. Because, you know, those are military secrets. Russia couldn’t even achieve air superiority over Ukraine. How would they achieve air superiority over say, Poland? They would have been bombed into oblivion, even without the USAF.
Do you really think that NATO planners sat on their asses since 91 and did not produce defensive plans for literally every conceivable scenario involving Russia attacking one or more of their members?
Russia turned out to be a paper tiger incapable of performing large scale maneuver warfare right at their border.
poland has more AA launchers in their forests than trees, any enemy flying over poland would get its air force deleted in 15 seconds, and its hilarious.
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>any enemy
The USAF has entered the chat.
1 year ago
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>USAF launches its 9000 fighter jets from its carrier groups and fly over poland to eliminate designated targets >lock on detected >lock on detected >lock on detected >lock on detected >lock on detected >unit lost >unit lost >unit lost >unit lost >unit lost >unit lost
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> russian AA
How's Engels air base?
1 year ago
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>russian aa >poland
you can pick one, but only one.
1 year ago
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>russian AA
1 year ago
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>
>russian aa >poland
you can pick one, but only one.
1 year ago
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1 year ago
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I guess by >unit lost here you mean HARMs hitting AA installations?
Black person, read up on SEAD. How many fricking lock-ons in an EA-18G Growler environment do you think would be capable of doing anything?
1 year ago
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>HARM >SEAD
im totally clueless what it is, but im guessing its one of those magical wunderwaffe things that are supposed to do *a thing*, but in reality the last time it was tested was against ANYTHING was in 1980 against an iraqi in flip flips, lmao.
1 year ago
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VatBlack person unable to understand modern warfare more news at 11
1 year ago
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HARMs have been blowing up vatBlack person AA left and right in Ukraine over the last couple months, once the Ukies found a way to integrate them into their sov vintage birds.
As for SEAD? Well, if you're so ignorant that you don't know about basic concepts of aerial warfare, why not try to shut the frick up instead of displaying your ignorance to everyone?
1 year ago
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>proud of being a moronic Black person
lol
I guess by >unit lost here you mean HARMs hitting AA installations?
Black person, read up on SEAD. How many fricking lock-ons in an EA-18G Growler environment do you think would be capable of doing anything?
Navy planes aren’t shit for SEAD, USAF would be doing the heavy lifting with F-35s and wild weasel F-16s
1 year ago
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Yet Poland needs Yurop to send fighters to protect its skies.
Explain.
Oh no, them weathering and breaking the first attacks is absolutely their own achievement. If Zelensky fled the country you'd have like 5-6 Kherson treacheries from undecided opportunists, if they lost Kyiv they'd get frick-all for military aid, only humanitarian aid for refugees and that's it.
>If Zelensky fled the country
Call him a israelite or whatever, but you gotta give him credit where it's due.
Any other corrupt politician would have fled to a safer place, and maybe command from there. Instead he hunkered down along with his country, and even visited the frontlines several times. His morale boost and gibs begging can be mocked, but it does work.
It's funny how a comedian became the right person for the job at, if you tell me this before the war I would've laughed it off.
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I'll gladly give him the credit for the massive effort he does, he's a morale and media man and he's doing an excellent job with that.
1 year ago
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>you gotta give him credit where it's due.
Absolutely, I don't think anybody has ever murdered a few hundred thousand moronic goyem as easy as our boy Z.
Kudos to him for backing away from reasonable negotiations.
1 year ago
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this much salt is bad for your health...
its really impressive that he did not fold - if he did Russia would have its buffer zone...
1 year ago
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Jews are fighters. Being screwed over countless times over the centuries tends to make people pretty fricking stubborn. If war ever came to my country, I'd want a israelite leading us.
>how many countries in eu you can name that have enough ammo/155 shells? or maybe ready to fight tanks and armored vehicles?
Instead of 155 shells, ask about how many JDAMs they have. How many GBUs? How many F-35s, F-15s, Typhoons, Rafales?
>how many countries in eu you can name that have enough supplies for like at least month of fighting?
I dunno. Countries like Poland? The new Polish war doctrine hinges on the idea that they would have to fight Russia solo, because they flat out assume Germany and France will fold the second Russia enters NATO territory. The other Polish war doctrine is "in case you chucklefricks try to outsmart us and attack the Baltics instead, we are calling dibs on Koningsberg".
>hypothetically, in feb 23 2022, without the US, i don't think so, russia
How would this work out? They stumbled down a proverbial flight of stairs with Ukraine, which at the time was one of the less prepared countries in Europe.
The Russian armed forces were widely dysfunctional enough in tactics and logistics that they quickly faced serious hardships in a land invasion right across their borders, the mile long columns of bogged down armor exemplifies bad tactical planning, bad logistics, and bad preparedness. This was something which should not have happened.
They do damage, and they take ground, sure, but incredibly inefficiently, with great losses in manpower, equipment, and other resources. The Russian offensive peaked a very long time ago, and I have no reason to believe it wouldn't be the same against Poland, Finland, Serbia, etc. They have large quantities of military hardware, but much of it is old and has been poorly stored or serviced, a lot has been stolen, and widespread failures in practicing combined arms make much of the modest advantages this would provide as basically null.
This absolutely Africa tier in terms of waging war.
>against [...] Serbia
Serbia is friendly towards Russia so there's no need to include them. Doing so proves your lack of knowledge on the subject, yet you are right in that they couldn't push more than a quarter of the way into eastern euro NATO. Their european allies wouldn't start shit anyway, they couldn't rely on the serbian military to start a balkan front at the same time they start a polish front, because the serbian army would be surrounded by NATO forces and melted in a week of pure combined arms combat. I don't know if they have any say in Macedonia, but I doubt it, and it would be useless. They need a third of european armies as allies to stand a chance at reaching Warsaw or Bucharest. Also, no air superiority and no fleets, all NATO navies would finally get to do their job and destroy the Baltic/Black Sea/Med russian fleets. Drones and air superiority is the new meta, combined arms + basically. Else you get stuck in trenches, apparently. Russia has neither of those, and NATO has the best drones/airplanes/aa defense in the world, it's very stacked against them, and would lead to their loss, although not instantly.
>They stumbled down a proverbial flight of stairs with Ukraine, which at the time was one of the less prepared countries in Europe.
How was Ukraine unprepared? They anticipated this invasion for years.
>against [...] Serbia
Serbia is friendly towards Russia so there's no need to include them. Doing so proves your lack of knowledge on the subject, yet you are right in that they couldn't push more than a quarter of the way into eastern euro NATO. Their european allies wouldn't start shit anyway, they couldn't rely on the serbian military to start a balkan front at the same time they start a polish front, because the serbian army would be surrounded by NATO forces and melted in a week of pure combined arms combat. I don't know if they have any say in Macedonia, but I doubt it, and it would be useless. They need a third of european armies as allies to stand a chance at reaching Warsaw or Bucharest. Also, no air superiority and no fleets, all NATO navies would finally get to do their job and destroy the Baltic/Black Sea/Med russian fleets. Drones and air superiority is the new meta, combined arms + basically. Else you get stuck in trenches, apparently. Russia has neither of those, and NATO has the best drones/airplanes/aa defense in the world, it's very stacked against them, and would lead to their loss, although not instantly.
It's less about them going against Serbia (they probably wouldn't, no), and more that they wouldn't do any better against them if they ever were to.
>Does NATO posses the capability of stopping a Russian invasion of Europe without resorting to nukes?
hypothetically, in feb 23 2022, without the US, i don't think so, russia may suck but they have tons of shit. now with everyone rearming themselves and Poland being there with all the cool new toys, no chance.
ofc they did. russia became the biggest country on earth like every other empire and they genocided everyone who they managed to conquer. they may be shitty in warfare but always had quantity advantage and complete disregard for human life.
look at ukraine and you have every answer you need at how they operate and operated for ages >grab land >kill everyone who resists >kill everyone in politics/art/literature who wasn't willing to collaborate >force everyone to speak and write russian >rewrite history
and there you have it, new territory, resources and fricking nobody to tell how that happened. and now in 2023 you have tons of morons saying pidorashkas dindu nuffin they were the most peaceful country on the planet and always fought defensive wars
and it's just so happened they have borders from europe to fricking china.
>How do you think they got all that territory, lmao?
isnt it just all empty steppes, populated with a few asians? >google european borders between 1000-1800 >russia always started somewhere near moscow and stretched far east into mordor
as far as i can tell, russia has zero legal rights to demand anything in europe thats west from moscow.
They were on the defensive against Napoleon, so it doesn't count towards that anon's argument. Russia can not win offensivelly, especially against 80% of Europe.
well yeah, the main reason napoleon lost was the russian invasion (and spain), but then the sixth coalition offensive decisively ended napoleon's streak, so you kind of have to give it to them
They were on the defensive against Napoleon, so it doesn't count towards that anon's argument. Russia can not win offensivelly, especially against 80% of Europe.
Correction, they fricked up Napoleon with the rest of Europe helping, after losing the battles they fought against Napoleon, who successfully took Moscow.
They also lucked out with uncommonly early and intense winter weather and Napoleon being ill and beset by other problems.
Only against much weaker underdogs and even that not always. Usually by the same playbook.
The Twitter thread (yeah yeah I know, still useful as a list of events) about "Russian colonialism" has a huge list of wikipedia links and that's only from 20th century.
americans didn't take america, lol.
they just came on empty land.
they were actually fed by the two locals who saw them starving.
pussy b***h mongrel nation.
has it ever legit won a war?
>It was literally founded by winning a war
usa is not a country. there's no founding.
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pretty soon Russia won't be a country, good fricking riddance
1 year ago
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mutt envy. why am I not surprised?
1 year ago
Anonymous
again with the projection, its Russians who are not an ethnicity
1 year ago
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>mutt projects insecurity onto others
imagine my shock
1 year ago
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the Russians literally have an ancient document listing all the founder races of Russia and Russians are it.
1 year ago
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yeah
1 year ago
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And they will all die soon, vatBlack folk will go extinct and we will achieve global peace. Your people are rapists and thieves, you are a threat to humanity and you will be put down like the rabid animals you are.
Let's see, on the Donbass eastern most front, Russia has made a grand total of 20-30 miles advancement in the past year, and is now bogged down in a small town called Bakhmut. So, I wouldn't worry about it tbf
Before their invasion of Ukraine, after 30 years of NATO complacency and disarmament, and the image of the invincible Soviet military still maintained, possibly. Their Baltic plan still hinges on a whole bunch of NATO forces giving up without a fight. A single holdout would potentially frick up the plan.
Now though, after the Russian military has been exposed as a badly managed, obsolete joke and with NATO forces on high alert and with Europe beginning the process of remilitarization? Not a chance in hell. The Russians had one chance to pull off something like this and they blew it.
They wouldn't even reach the Danube, even in february conditions, they wouldn't have been able to use air assets over Romania or Moldova and the black sea fleet would have been wiped by the american/turkish/british fleets, so no coastal bombardments. They would also need 4 giant fronts, 1 for Scandinavia, 2-3 for Poland/Romania and 1 for Turkey, which would mean somehow passing the Caucasus, where they have enemies and shittier terrain than imaginable. Western countries woulf quickly print fighting equipment, and there are 60k american soldiers just in eastern europe, and 100k more would arrive in 24hrs after they start their movements. Tldr no way homosexual. It would be a disaster.
Russia will attack Europe a few months after China invades Taiwan.
With the whole US military baited into the Pacific, Russian-Chinese troops will swarm out of what is now Ukraine and Belarus and overrun all of undefended Europe before America can even move in to match.
There are already US troops stationed permanently in Europe, you would have to attack Turkey through Caucasus as well, and you just lost your only ally there 4 months ago. Your fleet would be rubble in the first minutes, and the German, Polish, Romanian, Czech, Hungarian, Slovak combined force can defend Europe indefinitely with some minor French help, while every other NATO member can support USA overseas (Great Britain will help in the Pacific don't worry Chang). >undefended Europe
You were lulled into a false sense of superiority which will be your downfall. Shitskins see self-criticism and believe it to be a sign of weakness, they can not improve unless the white man kicks them forward.
Well you can drop the vdv and they'll prolly get slaughtered soon after, but hey, they have been to Berlin. No one specified for how long will said being in Berlin last.
VDVs will be slaughter by Turkish and Arabs gangs if they drop into the wrong district of Berlin. These families won't give away their territorial power easily.
>DVD Drops into Berlin >after a month of shuffling troops and producing ammo, the Bundeswehr finally starts their reclamation of Berlin. >Only to find out that the Arabs and Roaches exterminated the Russians and the turks also killed all the Kurds as a bonus
LMAO, they'll be lucky if the hooligans and the horde of public workers tilting out because of all the scheduling chaos leave anything left for them. Like, seriously, german public workers whose schedule you jsut ruined? That shit's scary, man.
Poland on its own probably could stop a Russian invasion and possibly take kaliningrad and overthrow lukashenko. NATO would rapidly repel an invasion and within 6 months have invaded and gained control of major Russian cities in the west and on the pacific coasts. There would also be no Russian air force or navy.
We need to exterminate russians, notice how it's not the polish that have started wars in the past 2 centuries. Wars are bad, polish people are peaceful, therefore they are good, unlike you.
>Does NATO posses the capability of stopping a Russian invasion of Europe without resorting to nukes?
Estonia alone has capacity of stopping Russian invasion even without NATO help.
that poolacks invaded USSR back in 1920 >no they didnt.
Yes they did. They invaded ukraine and lithuania too.
that poolacks started ww2 with invasion of germany
no they didnt.
1919-1921 they did, unless you also believe Russia played no part in the conflict in ukraine for the 8 years prior to the 2022 invasion.
1939 there wasn't an invasion but there was a shit ton of violence against ukranian, belarussian, and german minorities in poland along with dozens of small scale skirmishes along the border with germany, along with poland violating international treaties repeatedly within the city of danzig itself, shooting at german civilian passenger planes overhead, closing down minority schools, denying minorities jobs or education, refusing to prosecute crimes of rape and murder against minorities, all of whom were forced into poland either by polish military conquest or via post ww1 treaties
danzig wasn't even polish, not by international law (league of nations mandate) or by population (>90% german and who wanted to join germany, repeatedly)
Poles refused to negotiate during the week before the war so germs had to go through Britain, who sent Germany a list of demands and conditions before danzig could go to Germany on behalf of Poland, but also on their advice poland refused to send any negotiators
An interesting note is that Roosevelt knew ahead of time about the secret accord to divide Poland between Germany and Russia but the poles didn't, yet he didn't tell anyone.
No, because God and righteousness are on the side of Russia. Homos and trannies are beaten in public in Russia, so God will favor them and give them victory in the end. It's really that simple.
Dunno really. With the current Russia/Ukraine shit it seems Modern Warfare(tm) went full circle back to WW1 but that could just be a bad combo of tweaked Soviet tactics duking it out with modern tech that's just the same shit from WW2 but spray painted tacticool tan and more accurate.
Germany, Italy, Austria etc? Not a chance. Their military readiness is total dogshit and they've been making full use of the fact that they know the US will bail them out (even though Austria isn't in NATO)
UK and France? Would hold up decently. Strong enough to not fold, but lack meaningfully large reserves.
Unfortunately for Russia, there is one angry motherfricker between him and the perpetually demilitarizing shitters in west Europe, and it's Poland, who has been building up its military like crazy for a decade now, has both modern equipment and modern manufacturing capability, and gets a stiffy at the thought of seeing a mobik disembowled by a 155mm shrapnel shard.
That is honestly the main problem european countries have; its not ammunition, its reservists. Revoking the draft was a fricking mistake on several levels
Ok I've figured it out Soledar held hence why we geting a full force shiting up the board with no lube or breaks prob ukies inflicted critical losses to ruskies in a process
Everything that's being reported from Soledar is that fighting is brutal and while Ukraine is losing many soldiers, Russia is losing even more. Safely ignore any "according to RT." The town isn't being surrounded, isn't at risk of being surrounded, and isn't being overrun. The only thing that has changed is they've pivoted from throwing meat at Bakhmut to throwing meat at Soledar hoping they caught Ukrainian forces there by surprise.
Then why does the US have a strong economy and the most powerful military might in all of human history, while Russia is incredibly poor, has an army of ill equipped and ill supported cavemen, and hit an absolute wall trying to do a land invasion right across the border against a post-Soviet shithole like Ukraine? Why the Africa tier rates of AIDS and rape? Why the wide illiteracy and lack of indoor plumbing or internet?
America has Black folk, sure, but Russia manages to act like they're a country of Africa style Black folk in spite of being comparatively whiter (ostensibly, I won't get into churkas and what not). Seems like things aren't adding up.
>muh economy
what do you make except bombs? everything you need is imported from china.
you have no identity, no history.
everything you make is low iq trash.
fast food. consumerist music, ooga booga movies.
you have nothing of value.
I'm sure the Russians will have a laugh about all the trannies in the American military as their brains are splattering on the floor from an AGM-88 explosion.
How’s is this even a topic that deserves discussion in the current day? You homosexuals even read the news? Russia can’t even get past a hodgepodge of 30 year old NATO and Soviet equipment in eastern Ukraine
In all seriousness 2022 was a huge revelation. It is now obvious to any observer that Russia cannot match NATO ground forces. Even the idea of a Russian attack is laughable. Their strategic parity with the West is based only on nuclear weapons.
As this new reality slowly sets in I actually expect to see some European governments argue for decreased defence spending again. We'll see.
I talked with this former gunnery sergeant once while I was in military school. He did one of the first joint training things with the russians after the USSR collapsed. He was amazed at how little range time the soviet troops received. they got maybe 10-20% of the range time US troops get in basic training. he knew russia and the USSR was a paper tiger after that.
Easily. There's a reason why NATO hasn't once mentioned its own nuclear arsenal while the Monke Tsar constantly shitflings about his own. We don't need it to kick his arse.
Whirlpool will make as many Washing Machines as it takes to make a roadblock the likes the world has never seen!
The infighting as Comrade Conscriptovich is stopped by Colonel Kelptovisky which is then taken by General Oligarkov will be epic. Russia will lose with NATO Forces firing a single shot.
Oh, and this all assumes that they burst out of Koenigsburg, since the Ukies have kept Russia nice and buttoned up otherwise.
I simply can’t see a scenario where the Russian air defense network is able to hold up indefinitely under the amount of SEAD and tactical missile strikes that NATO could put up, and once it crumbles, it would be all ogre for Russia once for all. Not that I would expect Russia to be supreme in ground warfare either, not a chance, but at least on that front they probably could hold the line for a while due to sheer numbers, as it probably would take time for NATO forces to reach full numbers in the frontline, and I don’t see NATO doing any suicide-risk attacks as everyone knows that in the long game NATOs supreme power would come from the air superiority and crushing Russians through exact long-range fire, not massive assaults.
To add to this, imagine how the Ukraine front would look now if every single major Russian war asset hanging around behind the combat lines got ATACMS’d, Tomahawked or stealth bombed to oblivion.
homie have you been paying attention? A non nuclear conventional war wouldn’t even reach Poland before Russia gets annihilated.
pov you dont know what total war means
POV: you unironically think Russia is holding back
>pov you dont know what total war means
you don't know what canister and grape shot does to human wave attacks
>peepeepoopoo zoomer meme total war something something
You're a fricking moron.
no
russia has the advantage in every statistic that matters
Agreed, Russia has by far the most raped and most killed unarmed conscript peasants available
Indeed.
Russia should immediately proceed with invasion.
There's no way they could lose and then be rolled back to Vladivostok.
Which statistics matter?
All Russians are Black folk that just happen to be the wrong color, tho.
Can Russia advance further than 40 km without their logistics becoming a complete shambles?
not after bahkmut is captured, entirety of nato hinges on bahkmut not falling into the hands of the free world.
tik tok.
2 more days.
Then paris.
You are joking right ? Fricking russian b***hes are daying like pigs and i like it ! Frick them
i have an even better question.
in the entire sad history of the russian country, did they ever win even 1 offensive war, EVER?
i swear every time i hear russia invaded somebody - anybody, it always ended with a complete fricking disaster for the russians.
>Does NATO posses the capability of stopping a Russian invasion of Europe without resorting to nukes?
hypothetically, in feb 23 2022, without the US, i don't think so, russia may suck but they have tons of shit. now with everyone rearming themselves and Poland being there with all the cool new toys, no chance.
ofc they did. russia became the biggest country on earth like every other empire and they genocided everyone who they managed to conquer. they may be shitty in warfare but always had quantity advantage and complete disregard for human life.
look at ukraine and you have every answer you need at how they operate and operated for ages
>grab land
>kill everyone who resists
>kill everyone in politics/art/literature who wasn't willing to collaborate
>force everyone to speak and write russian
>rewrite history
and there you have it, new territory, resources and fricking nobody to tell how that happened. and now in 2023 you have tons of morons saying pidorashkas dindu nuffin they were the most peaceful country on the planet and always fought defensive wars
and it's just so happened they have borders from europe to fricking china.
My man, they didn’t even make it half way through Ukraine before collapsing spectacularly. How would they make it to the Vistula river, let alone the Rhine? They may have made it half way through the baltic countries and that’s about it.
>My man, they didn’t even make it half way through Ukraine before collapsing spectacularly.
don't dismiss ukies, they were willing to fight and were ready. they fought on their own in first fase of war with their own old ass soviet shit.
how many countries in eu you can name that have enough supplies for like at least month of fighting? enough ammo/155 shells? or maybe ready to fight tanks and armored vehicles? and most important, people ready for a fight, ukrainians had army with experience of conventinal fighting.
europe in terms of military force fricking sucked on 23 feb 2022 and i'm not even starting to talk about politics. how many euro politicians would be willing to just give monke some territory so he fricks off? or like how many times someone like hungary will just veto some eu parliament decision to send forces to fight ruskies. as we saw with ukraine, eu and nato are slow as frick in decision making. also let's assume ruskies weren't expecting everyone to greet them with open arms and were ready for a fight. and the moment about air defense, it's cool to joke "what air defense doing" but russian AD is no joke itself, ukrainian planes and helis are not flying close to it.
idk man, without the US i don't believe euros had high chances to repel russian advances or resist long enough.
>idk man, without the US i don't believe euros had high chances to repel russian advances or resist long enough.
But "without the US" was never a realistic scenario. Also while it is true that the countries closer to Russia are more militaristic, you shouldn't forget that there is a causal relation between these two factors. The closer you are to Russia, the more military you need to feel safe. If Russia succesfully invaded Ukraine, Poland or the Baltics, you bet your ass militarism in Germany, France, Benelux would rise accordingly. Would that be enough to stop a strong Russia? I don't know. But people act like these things are completely static.
to be honest i tend to agree, guess i just don't want to dismiss russia as a threat right away, they still have a lot of armored shit
Fair enough, I just wanted to clarify.
Nobody who knows will tell you how much of what is at what state of readiness. Because, you know, those are military secrets. Russia couldn’t even achieve air superiority over Ukraine. How would they achieve air superiority over say, Poland? They would have been bombed into oblivion, even without the USAF.
Do you really think that NATO planners sat on their asses since 91 and did not produce defensive plans for literally every conceivable scenario involving Russia attacking one or more of their members?
Russia turned out to be a paper tiger incapable of performing large scale maneuver warfare right at their border.
kek, the poles would ass rape the russkies on land and the air. god the kvetching from the vatniks would block out the sun.
poland has more AA launchers in their forests than trees, any enemy flying over poland would get its air force deleted in 15 seconds, and its hilarious.
>any enemy
The USAF has entered the chat.
>USAF launches its 9000 fighter jets from its carrier groups and fly over poland to eliminate designated targets
>lock on detected
>lock on detected
>lock on detected
>lock on detected
>lock on detected
>unit lost
>unit lost
>unit lost
>unit lost
>unit lost
>unit lost
> russian AA
How's Engels air base?
>russian aa
>poland
you can pick one, but only one.
>russian AA
>
I guess by >unit lost here you mean HARMs hitting AA installations?
Black person, read up on SEAD. How many fricking lock-ons in an EA-18G Growler environment do you think would be capable of doing anything?
>HARM
>SEAD
im totally clueless what it is, but im guessing its one of those magical wunderwaffe things that are supposed to do *a thing*, but in reality the last time it was tested was against ANYTHING was in 1980 against an iraqi in flip flips, lmao.
VatBlack person unable to understand modern warfare more news at 11
HARMs have been blowing up vatBlack person AA left and right in Ukraine over the last couple months, once the Ukies found a way to integrate them into their sov vintage birds.
As for SEAD? Well, if you're so ignorant that you don't know about basic concepts of aerial warfare, why not try to shut the frick up instead of displaying your ignorance to everyone?
>proud of being a moronic Black person
lol
Navy planes aren’t shit for SEAD, USAF would be doing the heavy lifting with F-35s and wild weasel F-16s
Yet Poland needs Yurop to send fighters to protect its skies.
Explain.
Oh no, them weathering and breaking the first attacks is absolutely their own achievement. If Zelensky fled the country you'd have like 5-6 Kherson treacheries from undecided opportunists, if they lost Kyiv they'd get frick-all for military aid, only humanitarian aid for refugees and that's it.
>If Zelensky fled the country
Call him a israelite or whatever, but you gotta give him credit where it's due.
Any other corrupt politician would have fled to a safer place, and maybe command from there. Instead he hunkered down along with his country, and even visited the frontlines several times. His morale boost and gibs begging can be mocked, but it does work.
It's funny how a comedian became the right person for the job at, if you tell me this before the war I would've laughed it off.
I'll gladly give him the credit for the massive effort he does, he's a morale and media man and he's doing an excellent job with that.
>you gotta give him credit where it's due.
Absolutely, I don't think anybody has ever murdered a few hundred thousand moronic goyem as easy as our boy Z.
Kudos to him for backing away from reasonable negotiations.
this much salt is bad for your health...
its really impressive that he did not fold - if he did Russia would have its buffer zone...
Jews are fighters. Being screwed over countless times over the centuries tends to make people pretty fricking stubborn. If war ever came to my country, I'd want a israelite leading us.
>how many countries in eu you can name that have enough ammo/155 shells? or maybe ready to fight tanks and armored vehicles?
Instead of 155 shells, ask about how many JDAMs they have. How many GBUs? How many F-35s, F-15s, Typhoons, Rafales?
>how many countries in eu you can name that have enough supplies for like at least month of fighting?
I dunno. Countries like Poland? The new Polish war doctrine hinges on the idea that they would have to fight Russia solo, because they flat out assume Germany and France will fold the second Russia enters NATO territory. The other Polish war doctrine is "in case you chucklefricks try to outsmart us and attack the Baltics instead, we are calling dibs on Koningsberg".
>How would they make it to the Vistula river
You might wanna look up the Polish-Soviet war.
>hypothetically, in feb 23 2022, without the US, i don't think so, russia
How would this work out? They stumbled down a proverbial flight of stairs with Ukraine, which at the time was one of the less prepared countries in Europe.
The Russian armed forces were widely dysfunctional enough in tactics and logistics that they quickly faced serious hardships in a land invasion right across their borders, the mile long columns of bogged down armor exemplifies bad tactical planning, bad logistics, and bad preparedness. This was something which should not have happened.
They do damage, and they take ground, sure, but incredibly inefficiently, with great losses in manpower, equipment, and other resources. The Russian offensive peaked a very long time ago, and I have no reason to believe it wouldn't be the same against Poland, Finland, Serbia, etc. They have large quantities of military hardware, but much of it is old and has been poorly stored or serviced, a lot has been stolen, and widespread failures in practicing combined arms make much of the modest advantages this would provide as basically null.
This absolutely Africa tier in terms of waging war.
>against [...] Serbia
Serbia is friendly towards Russia so there's no need to include them. Doing so proves your lack of knowledge on the subject, yet you are right in that they couldn't push more than a quarter of the way into eastern euro NATO. Their european allies wouldn't start shit anyway, they couldn't rely on the serbian military to start a balkan front at the same time they start a polish front, because the serbian army would be surrounded by NATO forces and melted in a week of pure combined arms combat. I don't know if they have any say in Macedonia, but I doubt it, and it would be useless. They need a third of european armies as allies to stand a chance at reaching Warsaw or Bucharest. Also, no air superiority and no fleets, all NATO navies would finally get to do their job and destroy the Baltic/Black Sea/Med russian fleets. Drones and air superiority is the new meta, combined arms + basically. Else you get stuck in trenches, apparently. Russia has neither of those, and NATO has the best drones/airplanes/aa defense in the world, it's very stacked against them, and would lead to their loss, although not instantly.
>They stumbled down a proverbial flight of stairs with Ukraine, which at the time was one of the less prepared countries in Europe.
How was Ukraine unprepared? They anticipated this invasion for years.
Not unprepared, but not as prepared as others.
It's less about them going against Serbia (they probably wouldn't, no), and more that they wouldn't do any better against them if they ever were to.
What others? Who was more prepared than Ukraine?
Almost all of Russia is uninhabited wastelands.
i have the same question
and no nomadic inuit tribes of siberia don't count
Does south Ossetia count?
>did they ever win even 1 offensive war, EVER?
How do you think they got all that territory, lmao?
By being the Mongols' lackeys and inheriting the spoils after infighting did them in?
>How do you think they got all that territory, lmao?
isnt it just all empty steppes, populated with a few asians?
>google european borders between 1000-1800
>russia always started somewhere near moscow and stretched far east into mordor
as far as i can tell, russia has zero legal rights to demand anything in europe thats west from moscow.
The vast majority of that is empty space populated by hunter-gatherer peoples.
Mighty Russian anus. Jk but it was basically cowboys and Indians: even drunker annd slower edition, + post WW2 landgrabbing.
they murdered entire towns in hungary in 56
ottomans?
they fricked napoleon up when the rest of europe couldn't, but it's kind of been a slow downhill for them ever since
Offensive war, Anon.
well yeah, the main reason napoleon lost was the russian invasion (and spain), but then the sixth coalition offensive decisively ended napoleon's streak, so you kind of have to give it to them
They were on the defensive against Napoleon, so it doesn't count towards that anon's argument. Russia can not win offensivelly, especially against 80% of Europe.
Correction, they fricked up Napoleon with the rest of Europe helping, after losing the battles they fought against Napoleon, who successfully took Moscow.
They also lucked out with uncommonly early and intense winter weather and Napoleon being ill and beset by other problems.
Only against much weaker underdogs and even that not always. Usually by the same playbook.
The Twitter thread (yeah yeah I know, still useful as a list of events) about "Russian colonialism" has a huge list of wikipedia links and that's only from 20th century.
https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/1495323069539405826.html
Tourist nerd
They successfully fricked up the Turks in 1876
I know the bar is very low but they won against turks
They rolled back the Japanese occupation of Manchuria, once they'd conquered Berlin
russia never won a war.
it got to its size just out of stupidity. dumb slavs, lol.
hail america.
It got to its size by taking a whole lot of empty wastelands that had at best the odd nomad tribe living in them.
americans didn't take america, lol.
they just came on empty land.
they were actually fed by the two locals who saw them starving.
pussy b***h mongrel nation.
has it ever legit won a war?
Russia even lost the Russian civil war
americans lost mutiple.
sad
And?
>has it ever legit won a war?
It was literally founded by winning a war.
?? Russia was created by the Mongols who crushed the Rus armies, Novgorod yielded without a fight
>It was literally founded by winning a war
usa is not a country. there's no founding.
pretty soon Russia won't be a country, good fricking riddance
mutt envy. why am I not surprised?
again with the projection, its Russians who are not an ethnicity
>mutt projects insecurity onto others
imagine my shock
the Russians literally have an ancient document listing all the founder races of Russia and Russians are it.
yeah
And they will all die soon, vatBlack folk will go extinct and we will achieve global peace. Your people are rapists and thieves, you are a threat to humanity and you will be put down like the rabid animals you are.
Russia is Africa tier, who envies them?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Conquest_of_the_Khanate_of_Sibir
>in the entire sad history of the russian country, did they ever win even 1 offensive war, EVER?
the conquest of the tribal peoples in siberia
As we see, Ukraine has enough power to stop a Russian invasion of Europe
Lol, LMAO even
Let's see, on the Donbass eastern most front, Russia has made a grand total of 20-30 miles advancement in the past year, and is now bogged down in a small town called Bakhmut. So, I wouldn't worry about it tbf
>Russia has made a grand total of 20-30 miles advancement in the past year,
That means The Red Army is just 50 years away from reaching the English Channel. King Charles should surrender now.
They can't even properly invade a country near them, what do you think?
Before their invasion of Ukraine, after 30 years of NATO complacency and disarmament, and the image of the invincible Soviet military still maintained, possibly. Their Baltic plan still hinges on a whole bunch of NATO forces giving up without a fight. A single holdout would potentially frick up the plan.
Now though, after the Russian military has been exposed as a badly managed, obsolete joke and with NATO forces on high alert and with Europe beginning the process of remilitarization? Not a chance in hell. The Russians had one chance to pull off something like this and they blew it.
they blew it by annexing the biggest country in europe gotcha
*failing to annex
Fixed that for you.
(you)
They can't even manage to take Ukraine in a year.
Now imagine them trying to invade just another country as well.
They are in the process of invading Belarus.
Oh wow. That has taken them what, almost 30 years?
Fantastic, just two more weeks, then.
Does Russia posses the capability of conquering Bakhmut without resorting to nukes?
Anon the Florida air national guard can stop Russia let alone all of NATO
They wouldn't even reach the Danube, even in february conditions, they wouldn't have been able to use air assets over Romania or Moldova and the black sea fleet would have been wiped by the american/turkish/british fleets, so no coastal bombardments. They would also need 4 giant fronts, 1 for Scandinavia, 2-3 for Poland/Romania and 1 for Turkey, which would mean somehow passing the Caucasus, where they have enemies and shittier terrain than imaginable. Western countries woulf quickly print fighting equipment, and there are 60k american soldiers just in eastern europe, and 100k more would arrive in 24hrs after they start their movements. Tldr no way homosexual. It would be a disaster.
Yes.
the question you should first ask yourself is does russia have the capability to invade europe?
Russia will attack Europe a few months after China invades Taiwan.
With the whole US military baited into the Pacific, Russian-Chinese troops will swarm out of what is now Ukraine and Belarus and overrun all of undefended Europe before America can even move in to match.
There are already US troops stationed permanently in Europe, you would have to attack Turkey through Caucasus as well, and you just lost your only ally there 4 months ago. Your fleet would be rubble in the first minutes, and the German, Polish, Romanian, Czech, Hungarian, Slovak combined force can defend Europe indefinitely with some minor French help, while every other NATO member can support USA overseas (Great Britain will help in the Pacific don't worry Chang).
>undefended Europe
You were lulled into a false sense of superiority which will be your downfall. Shitskins see self-criticism and believe it to be a sign of weakness, they can not improve unless the white man kicks them forward.
Chniknig over there acting like it's 1910.
no Russia will be in Berlin in 1 week if they want to
Well you can drop the vdv and they'll prolly get slaughtered soon after, but hey, they have been to Berlin. No one specified for how long will said being in Berlin last.
VDVs will be slaughter by Turkish and Arabs gangs if they drop into the wrong district of Berlin. These families won't give away their territorial power easily.
>DVD Drops into Berlin
>after a month of shuffling troops and producing ammo, the Bundeswehr finally starts their reclamation of Berlin.
>Only to find out that the Arabs and Roaches exterminated the Russians and the turks also killed all the Kurds as a bonus
>Arabs and Roaches
LMAO, they'll be lucky if the hooligans and the horde of public workers tilting out because of all the scheduling chaos leave anything left for them. Like, seriously, german public workers whose schedule you jsut ruined? That shit's scary, man.
How many export tanks would they have to steal to achieve the goals laid out in this video?
>1800km is not a distance for a modern army
>gets stuck 100km in foreign territory for 9 months and counting
I'd argue we should use the nukes even if we can
Inshallah
Hey man, I've been in a coma since February 26th 2022, has Russia already started it's invasion of Poland?
They accidentlaly pushed too far, went all the way around the world, and ended up back at the Russo-Ukrainian border again
We will start within two weeks.
Huh, vatnik shills are active today. And they seem to be improving, plenty of good subtle shilling in this thread.
Poland on its own probably could stop a Russian invasion and possibly take kaliningrad and overthrow lukashenko. NATO would rapidly repel an invasion and within 6 months have invaded and gained control of major Russian cities in the west and on the pacific coasts. There would also be no Russian air force or navy.
In what kind of fantasy world are we where scandinavia is red?
Literally just offer a free bottle of Vodka to any Russian who turns around and leaves lmao
The Poles, Balts, and Brits alone could end Russia.
The better question is if the Russians could stop an Ukrainian invasion without resorting to nukes
Russia is hardly able to take one salt mine in the middle of fricking nowhere, I don't think NATO would have a problem holding them back.
Whats up with all your Himmler fantasies? Sure, the nazis looked good, but you dont need to suck their wieners because of it...
u ok /k/trannies?
Says the shitskin lel, at least the polish are in Europe.
We need to exterminate russians, notice how it's not the polish that have started wars in the past 2 centuries. Wars are bad, polish people are peaceful, therefore they are good, unlike you.
>Does NATO posses the capability of stopping a Russian invasion of Europe without resorting to nukes?
Estonia alone has capacity of stopping Russian invasion even without NATO help.
that poolacks invaded USSR back in 1920
no they didnt.
that poolacks started ww2 with invasion of germany
no they didnt.
that poolacks invaded USSR back in 1920
>no they didnt.
Yes they did. They invaded ukraine and lithuania too.
that poolacks started ww2 with invasion of germany
no they didnt.
1919-1921 they did, unless you also believe Russia played no part in the conflict in ukraine for the 8 years prior to the 2022 invasion.
1939 there wasn't an invasion but there was a shit ton of violence against ukranian, belarussian, and german minorities in poland along with dozens of small scale skirmishes along the border with germany, along with poland violating international treaties repeatedly within the city of danzig itself, shooting at german civilian passenger planes overhead, closing down minority schools, denying minorities jobs or education, refusing to prosecute crimes of rape and murder against minorities, all of whom were forced into poland either by polish military conquest or via post ww1 treaties
danzig wasn't even polish, not by international law (league of nations mandate) or by population (>90% german and who wanted to join germany, repeatedly)
Poles refused to negotiate during the week before the war so germs had to go through Britain, who sent Germany a list of demands and conditions before danzig could go to Germany on behalf of Poland, but also on their advice poland refused to send any negotiators
An interesting note is that Roosevelt knew ahead of time about the secret accord to divide Poland between Germany and Russia but the poles didn't, yet he didn't tell anyone.
>let me tell you my imaginary fairy tale version of history
nobody asked you for that.
I mean, he's probably Russian. Fairytale version of history is the only version they have.
Poland is part of Nato, and ontop of that hates the Black folks of europe (Russians) so they are on our side in this conflict.
Conniving Black folk but wrong color by accident, that is what you are. Mobilize yourself and die while sucking your CO's AIDS dick
>You are anti white traitor if you defend russhits
fixed that for ya, lad.
Do you possess the capability of not posting slide threads you stupid gorilla gopnik?
>much needed resources
Like dead Russians contribooting to demographic decline.
>only start wars, leech gibs, and cry victim
that sounds like russia lmao
a shitskin and a tankie, christ what a mess your life is
>importing crime and theft to the UK
are you talking about russians bro.
whhoaaaaa, really?!
no way, bro!
can you prove that?
no no no, the pol image you saved in 2002 doesnt count.
god you people are sad and pathetic.
literally nothing can be worse than a russhit Black person.
Polacks in UK prisons has a higher living standard then most russians, and that isnt even a meme
waiting until their columns run out of fuel 50 km from border would be enough
No, because God and righteousness are on the side of Russia. Homos and trannies are beaten in public in Russia, so God will favor them and give them victory in the end. It's really that simple.
Does Russia posses the capability of conquering Ukraine without resorting to nukes?
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHA
t:t
Hey OP, how long were you in a coma?
Dunno really. With the current Russia/Ukraine shit it seems Modern Warfare(tm) went full circle back to WW1 but that could just be a bad combo of tweaked Soviet tactics duking it out with modern tech that's just the same shit from WW2 but spray painted tacticool tan and more accurate.
Germany, Italy, Austria etc? Not a chance. Their military readiness is total dogshit and they've been making full use of the fact that they know the US will bail them out (even though Austria isn't in NATO)
UK and France? Would hold up decently. Strong enough to not fold, but lack meaningfully large reserves.
Unfortunately for Russia, there is one angry motherfricker between him and the perpetually demilitarizing shitters in west Europe, and it's Poland, who has been building up its military like crazy for a decade now, has both modern equipment and modern manufacturing capability, and gets a stiffy at the thought of seeing a mobik disembowled by a 155mm shrapnel shard.
That is honestly the main problem european countries have; its not ammunition, its reservists. Revoking the draft was a fricking mistake on several levels
Ok I've figured it out Soledar held hence why we geting a full force shiting up the board with no lube or breaks prob ukies inflicted critical losses to ruskies in a process
Everything that's being reported from Soledar is that fighting is brutal and while Ukraine is losing many soldiers, Russia is losing even more. Safely ignore any "according to RT." The town isn't being surrounded, isn't at risk of being surrounded, and isn't being overrun. The only thing that has changed is they've pivoted from throwing meat at Bakhmut to throwing meat at Soledar hoping they caught Ukrainian forces there by surprise.
hey russia, you suck
Go to bed, John Titor, you are drunk.
Then why does the US have a strong economy and the most powerful military might in all of human history, while Russia is incredibly poor, has an army of ill equipped and ill supported cavemen, and hit an absolute wall trying to do a land invasion right across the border against a post-Soviet shithole like Ukraine? Why the Africa tier rates of AIDS and rape? Why the wide illiteracy and lack of indoor plumbing or internet?
America has Black folk, sure, but Russia manages to act like they're a country of Africa style Black folk in spite of being comparatively whiter (ostensibly, I won't get into churkas and what not). Seems like things aren't adding up.
>muh economy
what do you make except bombs? everything you need is imported from china.
you have no identity, no history.
everything you make is low iq trash.
fast food. consumerist music, ooga booga movies.
you have nothing of value.
What does Russia make?
everything
Did you know Russia has oranges?
did you know russia has onions?
Wanna guess what is of value? The American military. Wsnt to guess has 0 value? The Russian military. Can't even invade their neighbor properly.
if russia has culture, name me three (3) cultural exports that anyone cares about
>pic related is stronger than the Russian military
Lol Russia is pathetic.
you admit america is fighting in ukraine?
guess it's losing, bucko.
I'm sure the Russians will have a laugh about all the trannies in the American military as their brains are splattering on the floor from an AGM-88 explosion.
the trannies will use the guns on them or on you.
you basedcuck homosexual.
If you say so.
you lost in iraq
How’s is this even a topic that deserves discussion in the current day? You homosexuals even read the news? Russia can’t even get past a hodgepodge of 30 year old NATO and Soviet equipment in eastern Ukraine
Russia would reach Lisbon in two weeks!
In all seriousness 2022 was a huge revelation. It is now obvious to any observer that Russia cannot match NATO ground forces. Even the idea of a Russian attack is laughable. Their strategic parity with the West is based only on nuclear weapons.
As this new reality slowly sets in I actually expect to see some European governments argue for decreased defence spending again. We'll see.
Yes, the American military.
May we see it?
>Denmark holds compared to nearly all of Europe
What the frick?
Of course not.
Why is the puny niche nation of Finland, with its 5.6 million people, able to resist the might of theRussian bear in this moron's head?
finland has satanist black magic seals all over the border meant to resurrect Simo Haya's undead corpse the moment the russian army trips them up
he's brown and third world
I talked with this former gunnery sergeant once while I was in military school. He did one of the first joint training things with the russians after the USSR collapsed. He was amazed at how little range time the soviet troops received. they got maybe 10-20% of the range time US troops get in basic training. he knew russia and the USSR was a paper tiger after that.
Easily. There's a reason why NATO hasn't once mentioned its own nuclear arsenal while the Monke Tsar constantly shitflings about his own. We don't need it to kick his arse.
Just did the math and, based on Russia's current rate of advance, they should be able to reach Paris in approximately 88 years.
NATO could feasibly invade the Russian Federation with almost 100% chances of success.
Better question, does Russia have the capability of capturing Bakhmut without resorting to nukes?
Easy.
Whirlpool will make as many Washing Machines as it takes to make a roadblock the likes the world has never seen!
The infighting as Comrade Conscriptovich is stopped by Colonel Kelptovisky which is then taken by General Oligarkov will be epic. Russia will lose with NATO Forces firing a single shot.
Oh, and this all assumes that they burst out of Koenigsburg, since the Ukies have kept Russia nice and buttoned up otherwise.
whithout China? France or the UK could face Russia alone and win, most of the ""big"" countries there too if Russia doesn't use nukes.
Short answer: yes. Long answer: yeeeeeeeeeessssssss.
>Europe
Black person they can't even take Bakhmut
I simply can’t see a scenario where the Russian air defense network is able to hold up indefinitely under the amount of SEAD and tactical missile strikes that NATO could put up, and once it crumbles, it would be all ogre for Russia once for all. Not that I would expect Russia to be supreme in ground warfare either, not a chance, but at least on that front they probably could hold the line for a while due to sheer numbers, as it probably would take time for NATO forces to reach full numbers in the frontline, and I don’t see NATO doing any suicide-risk attacks as everyone knows that in the long game NATOs supreme power would come from the air superiority and crushing Russians through exact long-range fire, not massive assaults.
To add to this, imagine how the Ukraine front would look now if every single major Russian war asset hanging around behind the combat lines got ATACMS’d, Tomahawked or stealth bombed to oblivion.