i really want to know how exactly ukraine is supposed to properly utilize all the random surplus shit the western nations are throwing at them
like, how do they integrate a dozen vastly different vehicles into their supply chains??? the US sends Bradleys and the UK sends Challanger 2s, how does this increase the capabilities of the Ukranian forces? When will these new units be ready for combat? Training a competent tank-crew takes years!
who has ever made that argument you homosexual moron? the problem is that russia consistently lies and overstates their kills, in some cases completely fabricating kills such as how they supposedly killed 600 Ukrainians in Kramatorsk by hitting an empty patch of land; or how they've destroyed every HIMARS; or how they've already destroyed Bradlys despite them not being there.
1 year ago
Anonymous
if you get to be moronic then so do it
6 gorillion dead russians
not a single dead ukranian
1 year ago
Anonymous
> not a single dead ukranian
Again, who is making that argument?
1 year ago
Anonymous
you argument is that everything the russians say is a lie, and the russians say they have killed ukranian soldiers so that must be a lie, just like they say they've destroyed himars
1 year ago
Anonymous
> you argument is that everything the russians say is a lie, and the russians say they have killed ukranian soldiers so that must be a lie, just like they say they've destroyed himars
You are actually moronic. My argument like I said in
who has ever made that argument you homosexual moron? the problem is that russia consistently lies and overstates their kills, in some cases completely fabricating kills such as how they supposedly killed 600 Ukrainians in Kramatorsk by hitting an empty patch of land; or how they've destroyed every HIMARS; or how they've already destroyed Bradlys despite them not being there.
is that Russia is an unreliable source that consistently lies about its kill count, purposely inflating their kill count, not that they have never killed a Ukrainian. Just show me proof they have wiped out 100% of the HIMARs in Ukraine because that is what Russia claims; just show me proof that Russia has already destroyed Bradlys because that is what Russia claims; just show me proof that Russia killed 600 in Kramatorsk with a missile strike because that is what Russia claims. We have proof to the contrary for all of those so that’s how I know Russia lies about its kill count. Russia has killed Ukrainians just not as many as they claim.
1 year ago
Anonymous
Only a moronic vatBlack person is capable of mental gymnastics like this.
why am i even bothering with you people?
1 year ago
Anonymous
don't play the put-upon rational actor you silly Black person, you're the one making the strawman arguments and deliberately ignoring genuine responses
1 year ago
Anonymous
Only a moronic vatBlack person is capable of mental gymnastics like this.
Victory in this war seem an issue of artillery supply. Soldiers are just the people that haul around the guns. Ukraine has access to the global shell manufacturing capacity even if their own industry was destroyed. It isn't just NATO, they are getting shells from the third world and east asia. Literally reverse Lord of war
I'm no expert on old tools but that looks a lot like my Miller Falls 2A. I prefer an egg beater over a power drill for some drilling tasks, mistakes happen a lot slower with hand tools.
>Roughly 90–110 kills and several dozen damaged are attributed to Strela-2/2M hits between April 1972 and the Fall of Saigon in April 1975, almost all against helicopters and propeller-driven aircraft. As in the War of Attrition, the missile's speed and range proved insufficient against fast jets and results were poor: only one U.S A-4 Skyhawk, one U.S F-4 Phantom and three South Vietnamese F-5 Freedom Fighter are known to have been shot down with Strela-2s during the conflict.
You'll have to pump them out but yes.
>self-reporting
Obviously posted by someone who hasn't read about the Vietnam War.
OH-6s were the worst. I've heard reports of units being sent helicopters before they lost any. One of the first things you were taught was how to pick a good crash landing spot. You could get shot down, rescued one day and be flying a brand new helicopter the next. Apparently they sent out some helicopters without even putting proper unit markings on them because they were given them an hour before a mission was to start. Pilots would report coming over some trees and ducking into a clearing, startling a Vietnamese man who would begin shooting at them from less than 10 meters away, then flipping them the bird and flying away.
moron. The vietnam war had almost as many MANPADS shootdowns as the Russo-afghan war. The strela hit American helis almost as hard as stinger hit Russians
They got owned by a bunch of Vietnamese.
How do you think they would fair against a modern military force?
They're an easy target.
Wait, is this a Dennis thread? Am I being baited?
For fricks sake, Dennis..
I don't have them to hand, but about 5500 (ish).
That's a record that will never be beaten. I think it's the world leader in 'shot down by peasants'.
Anyone stupid enough to suggest that they should be deployed to Ukraine should enlist in the US army. They'll feel right at home.
The Huey is completely fine. It's still in widespread use and UH-1 derived helicopters are still in use all over the world in the Bell 200 and 400 series of helicopters. Only an idiot would say that a reliable and widespread utility helicopter is bad.
>They got owned by a bunch of Vietnamese
Oh really? >In 1995, the Vietnamese government released its estimate of war deaths for the more lengthy period of 1955–75. PAVN and VC losses were reported as 1.1 million dead >1.1 million dead
>Muh K/D ratio
Yeah absolutely true, just like ghost of kyeev shot down 40 aircraft and million russians dead while 10 ukrainian deaths.
Out of all things, this war has proved that numbers that media publishes are literally inflated horseshit and propaganda that should be disregarded in every conflict that involves western powers
>They got owned by a bunch of Vietnamese
Oh really? >In 1995, the Vietnamese government released its estimate of war deaths for the more lengthy period of 1955–75. PAVN and VC losses were reported as 1.1 million dead >1.1 million dead
>Vietnamese government released its estimate of war deaths
Just because (You) think you're *pretending* doesn't mean that (You) aren't.
Losses in Vietnam were extremely asymmetric though, while in Ukraine they are nearly 1 for 1 (probably closer to 1 to 2 in Ukraine's favor considering russia's human wave tactics).
This. It's an effective, battle tested helicopter that is cheap, powerful, can carry a USMC squad and is just generally a good helicopter.
Of the 1970s, mind you. A Black Hawk would spank it but it isn't a Black Hawk.
They got owned by a bunch of Vietnamese.
How do you think they would fair against a modern military force?
They're an easy target.
Wait, is this a Dennis thread? Am I being baited?
For fricks sake, Dennis..
>owned by a bunch of Vietnamese
Literally any helicopter flying below 1,000 ft is vulnerable to being shot at anon. A lot of Hueys died because their pilots or engines were shot out with machine guns.
>How do you think they would fair against a modern military force?
Same with Black Hawks, fine as long as you realize they're extremely fragile things that you can't have the enemy directing effective fire at.
>Wait, is this a Dennis thread?
No, this isn't a Dennis thread. He's far more annoying.
They actually did, as an initial jump into the airborne cavalry style of war, they presented a huge improvement in the rate of deployed forces and recovered wounded.
Of all the things that didn't work out as planned in Vietnam, the UH-1 was not one of them.
They got owned by a bunch of Vietnamese.
How do you think they would fair against a modern military force?
They're an easy target.
Wait, is this a Dennis thread? Am I being baited?
For fricks sake, Dennis..
i will put it this way
what changed in modern helicopters that made them more viable?
Yes. but not for combat. At most casevac in areas that they've already secured, if for whatever reason moving the person by land isn't possible, and dropping in supplies. But it's a utility helicopter so they can use it like you normally use utility helicopters.
A blackhawk would be cheaper and more reliable to maintain at this point. My local police department got rid of theirs 10 years ago because parts were becoming unobtanium.
Of course. Especially in the numbers countries have them in reserve. Bell makes enough replacement parts to sustain their use, also.
I little bit like m113 variants are the inevitable platform that will be used for most things, I think hueys will end up being the helo. It's just a matter of the West waking up to what they have fricking heaps of.
Bell makes new airframes and the modern equivalent of the HU-1 is still produced. The point is there is enough quantity out there available if need be.
More attention needs to be paid to what the UK just did with their aid package.
They bought foreign hardware from friendly non-nato states, and probably in sufficient numbers to be useful. That's how we have to think. If we are replacing warsaw pact stuff with Western, all well and good, but we should be supplying ENOUGH Western, with lots of instructions on how to modify it to work with whatever possible configuration of weapons Ukraine may wish to use.
They can’t make use of anything they’ve been getting lmao
Face it moron, Russia won
>Face it moron, Russia won
frick, this is haunting
Nah, but for a moment I thought it was the one with the guy actually missing half of the face.
War and being moronic really removes humanity from one.
I'm only sad they couldn't ID his face and send this to his family. It'd be really funny.
might be able to identify him on dental records if his teeth aren't destroyed
>if his teeth aren't destroyed
chechen wiener does that sometimes
womp womp
I'm tired of watching people die.
I shouldn’t have watched that
shoulda worn a helmet
i really want to know how exactly ukraine is supposed to properly utilize all the random surplus shit the western nations are throwing at them
like, how do they integrate a dozen vastly different vehicles into their supply chains??? the US sends Bradleys and the UK sends Challanger 2s, how does this increase the capabilities of the Ukranian forces? When will these new units be ready for combat? Training a competent tank-crew takes years!
has russia managed to blow up even a single himars yet?
Yes, multiple according to Russia. The US neither confirms nor denies.
But then again, the US has yet to confirm how many B-52 bombers it really lost during Operation Linebacker II.
>Yes, multiple according to Russia.
So none in reality?
yes goy not a single ukranian soldier has died
who has ever made that argument you homosexual moron? the problem is that russia consistently lies and overstates their kills, in some cases completely fabricating kills such as how they supposedly killed 600 Ukrainians in Kramatorsk by hitting an empty patch of land; or how they've destroyed every HIMARS; or how they've already destroyed Bradlys despite them not being there.
if you get to be moronic then so do it
6 gorillion dead russians
not a single dead ukranian
> not a single dead ukranian
Again, who is making that argument?
you argument is that everything the russians say is a lie, and the russians say they have killed ukranian soldiers so that must be a lie, just like they say they've destroyed himars
> you argument is that everything the russians say is a lie, and the russians say they have killed ukranian soldiers so that must be a lie, just like they say they've destroyed himars
You are actually moronic. My argument like I said in
is that Russia is an unreliable source that consistently lies about its kill count, purposely inflating their kill count, not that they have never killed a Ukrainian. Just show me proof they have wiped out 100% of the HIMARs in Ukraine because that is what Russia claims; just show me proof that Russia has already destroyed Bradlys because that is what Russia claims; just show me proof that Russia killed 600 in Kramatorsk with a missile strike because that is what Russia claims. We have proof to the contrary for all of those so that’s how I know Russia lies about its kill count. Russia has killed Ukrainians just not as many as they claim.
why am i even bothering with you people?
don't play the put-upon rational actor you silly Black person, you're the one making the strawman arguments and deliberately ignoring genuine responses
Only a moronic vatBlack person is capable of mental gymnastics like this.
Victory in this war seem an issue of artillery supply. Soldiers are just the people that haul around the guns. Ukraine has access to the global shell manufacturing capacity even if their own industry was destroyed. It isn't just NATO, they are getting shells from the third world and east asia. Literally reverse Lord of war
>3 more weeks
They could, but transport helis are at the very bottom of their priority list.
Yes, mostly as rear echelon transport for high priority persons and medical evacuations.
Helicopters are AAA bait in this conflict because neither side can into combined arms warfare.
Kinda, though nothing near the front, still contested airspace.
Compared to the other sorts of systems like armor and arty, it's not as important.
>Logistics helos
>Can transport shit and medevac
Yes
no, because russian su-57s would shoot them down
Those things are crazy, as soon as they leave Russian airspace they go stealth mode, and it's so good nobody has ever seen them.
just need the wood screws to hold out
You kids will be so fricking surprised if you ever end up in military.
indeed, you kids would be
>someone saved my armatard asspain image and filename
based
one isnt claiming to be a 5th gen fighter
I'm no expert on old tools but that looks a lot like my Miller Falls 2A. I prefer an egg beater over a power drill for some drilling tasks, mistakes happen a lot slower with hand tools.
God, I hate Australians so much.
> Posts a non-stealth fighter from decades ago
> to try and defend a "stealth fighter" with exposed fricking philips
all 2 of them?
Ye just like the 100 they had. They out of them any moment now.
2 is enough to subdue xoxols
bait/10
>Roughly 90–110 kills and several dozen damaged are attributed to Strela-2/2M hits between April 1972 and the Fall of Saigon in April 1975, almost all against helicopters and propeller-driven aircraft. As in the War of Attrition, the missile's speed and range proved insufficient against fast jets and results were poor: only one U.S A-4 Skyhawk, one U.S F-4 Phantom and three South Vietnamese F-5 Freedom Fighter are known to have been shot down with Strela-2s during the conflict.
You'll have to pump them out but yes.
>Vietnamese self reporting
kek
>self-reporting
Obviously posted by someone who hasn't read about the Vietnam War.
OH-6s were the worst. I've heard reports of units being sent helicopters before they lost any. One of the first things you were taught was how to pick a good crash landing spot. You could get shot down, rescued one day and be flying a brand new helicopter the next. Apparently they sent out some helicopters without even putting proper unit markings on them because they were given them an hour before a mission was to start. Pilots would report coming over some trees and ducking into a clearing, startling a Vietnamese man who would begin shooting at them from less than 10 meters away, then flipping them the bird and flying away.
Those figures really aren't a joke anon.
The numbers were from Vietnamese self reporting. Is there video? Anything to corroborate the strela shootdowns?
moron. The vietnam war had almost as many MANPADS shootdowns as the Russo-afghan war. The strela hit American helis almost as hard as stinger hit Russians
>Could Ukrainians make use of Hueys?
Because they worked so well for Americans?
They did. It's an excellent helicopter that's served around the world in many countries and continues to do so even today.
They got owned by a bunch of Vietnamese.
How do you think they would fair against a modern military force?
They're an easy target.
Wait, is this a Dennis thread? Am I being baited?
For fricks sake, Dennis..
They owned a whole lot than a much more. Although nobody's used them in a combat role for decades now.
>Although nobody's used them in a combat role for decades now.
Gee, I wonder why...
Someone bring up the stats.
Because US developed a new class of helicopters as a replacement. Was this supposed to be some gotcha moment right now?
I don't have them to hand, but about 5500 (ish).
That's a record that will never be beaten. I think it's the world leader in 'shot down by peasants'.
Anyone stupid enough to suggest that they should be deployed to Ukraine should enlist in the US army. They'll feel right at home.
way to tell everyone you're underage
Because other helicopters exist you tard
The Huey is completely fine. It's still in widespread use and UH-1 derived helicopters are still in use all over the world in the Bell 200 and 400 series of helicopters. Only an idiot would say that a reliable and widespread utility helicopter is bad.
>They got owned by a bunch of Vietnamese
Oh really?
>In 1995, the Vietnamese government released its estimate of war deaths for the more lengthy period of 1955–75. PAVN and VC losses were reported as 1.1 million dead
>1.1 million dead
>Muh K/D ratio
Yeah absolutely true, just like ghost of kyeev shot down 40 aircraft and million russians dead while 10 ukrainian deaths.
Out of all things, this war has proved that numbers that media publishes are literally inflated horseshit and propaganda that should be disregarded in every conflict that involves western powers
yes, the reality is wrong and puccia is truly stronk and doesn't just show it to us
>numbers that media publishes
>Vietnamese government released its estimate of war deaths
Just because (You) think you're *pretending* doesn't mean that (You) aren't.
Tbh if the ukraine war stretched on for 20 years I could easily see 1 million dead being the final number. That's only 50k per year
Losses in Vietnam were extremely asymmetric though, while in Ukraine they are nearly 1 for 1 (probably closer to 1 to 2 in Ukraine's favor considering russia's human wave tactics).
This. It's an effective, battle tested helicopter that is cheap, powerful, can carry a USMC squad and is just generally a good helicopter.
Of the 1970s, mind you. A Black Hawk would spank it but it isn't a Black Hawk.
>owned by a bunch of Vietnamese
Literally any helicopter flying below 1,000 ft is vulnerable to being shot at anon. A lot of Hueys died because their pilots or engines were shot out with machine guns.
>How do you think they would fair against a modern military force?
Same with Black Hawks, fine as long as you realize they're extremely fragile things that you can't have the enemy directing effective fire at.
>Wait, is this a Dennis thread?
No, this isn't a Dennis thread. He's far more annoying.
They actually did, as an initial jump into the airborne cavalry style of war, they presented a huge improvement in the rate of deployed forces and recovered wounded.
Of all the things that didn't work out as planned in Vietnam, the UH-1 was not one of them.
That’s true. The Bell family were huge donors to LBJ.
unironically, yes
i will put it this way
what changed in modern helicopters that made them more viable?
We no longer fly Helis into AA rich environments. That's what changed.
which isn’t a difference in the helicopters themselves
which is the point i was trying to make
Yes, currently mi8 from allies took the place of very old mi24, if it reliable it will be useful.
Yes. but not for combat. At most casevac in areas that they've already secured, if for whatever reason moving the person by land isn't possible, and dropping in supplies. But it's a utility helicopter so they can use it like you normally use utility helicopters.
What sort of waves do they get in the Black Sea? Does Ivan surf?
What people don't understand is that you can use helicopters as fast trucks that go over rivers and difficult terrain if you have a decent pilot.
Absolute Chad pilot
A blackhawk would be cheaper and more reliable to maintain at this point. My local police department got rid of theirs 10 years ago because parts were becoming unobtanium.
these things were shot down like flies over Vietnam
They'd be great in logistical roles.
Of course. Especially in the numbers countries have them in reserve. Bell makes enough replacement parts to sustain their use, also.
I little bit like m113 variants are the inevitable platform that will be used for most things, I think hueys will end up being the helo. It's just a matter of the West waking up to what they have fricking heaps of.
Doesn't airframe wear make old helos worse than old APCs?
Bell makes new airframes and the modern equivalent of the HU-1 is still produced. The point is there is enough quantity out there available if need be.
More attention needs to be paid to what the UK just did with their aid package.
They bought foreign hardware from friendly non-nato states, and probably in sufficient numbers to be useful. That's how we have to think. If we are replacing warsaw pact stuff with Western, all well and good, but we should be supplying ENOUGH Western, with lots of instructions on how to modify it to work with whatever possible configuration of weapons Ukraine may wish to use.
We don't have any Hueys, all the remaining inventory got upgrades to Super Hueys awhile back.
Are ukranian pilots insane enough to utilise Kiowa's?
You are kidding right?
They'd get shot down by Russian anti-air.
This would go worse than the M113s that we gave them.
This is what we are missing from the cold war set.