>CNN says patriot shot down an aircraft recently
>the only russian aircraft shot down recently were the 4 over Bryansk
Did the ukies really drive a Patriot right up to the border and ambush them? Imagine the panicked final moments of the pilots.
Every time a Russian pilot gets into a Russian plane he experiences panicked final moments.
Sometimes he doesn't die that time tho
>roadside launch with a Patriot battery HIMARS style
>the only russian aircraft shot down recently were the 4 over Bryansk
That we know of. Because these fell down inside Russia and were photographed by civilians. This doesn't happen with every bird that goes down
no one ever confirmed what happened there, that said, i don't think i can believe it. no way they fucking did a drive by with a billion dollar patriot system on the border to smoke 2 jets and 2 helis. that's just crazy, right? if nothing else the sheer coordination involved seems implausible
Yeah sounds like bullshit. The patriot doesnt have the range to shoot down jets operating from inside russian or belarussian airspace from kyiv and its highly unlikely they moved the system to the border
They have two systems/batteries - one's in Kyiv, where's the other?. The Russian Fighterbomber group would have doomposted if other aircraft were shot down. US classified intel aligns perfectly with the OSINT count of downed aircraft- they're pretty much always recorded.
I assume both are guarding kyiv, since thats where missile defence is desperately needed the most and is what the patriots primary purpose is
The launchers aren't billion dollar it's a fucking box on a truck holding 1-4 missiles.
Literally who gives a shit if they did.
A launcher can hold up to 16 Pac3 missiles. It also needs a radar and a command vehicle in reasonable vicinity to work
Also you need to risk your most experienced AA crew
Aight guys, I have this figured out.
1. Remember Strelkov and other telegram ziggers said that ULTRA MEGA DEATH STACK of HATO hardware on the border?
2. This death stack escort patriot to the border.
3. One of the helis was a jammer that provided jamming for the attack
4. Ukie observes jamming presses launch
oh yeah I forgot now ultra mega cope + attack on the patriot for the driveby
you're talking about the Ukie who literally put 155mm L52 howitzer trucks on a barge and floating them out the black sea to target Snake Island.
the Ukies probably literally used the trucks that were transporting the Patriots
Yesterday it was trusted by 4chan.
You have to make up your mind vatnik kun. When CNN reported on damaged patriot it was taken as a gospel by polcels
It was also dismissed as unreliable be nafoshills
Yes but if you're a polcel you should believe it too. Sources say after all
No no no, we must name the source and have it officially confirmed by the pentagon with timestamped pictures of the wreck, according to PrepHole standards
We have videos of the shot down and Sukhoi wreckage. RuMod officially confirmed the loss, as did western sources.
See the difference?
Russian pilots need to be in a state of constant panic. If the enemy AA doesn't get you, your own will.
Patriot launchers can be wirelessly distributed over 50km on paper via microwave relay and likely beyond that in practice. It's possible they drove a single launcher up to the border to ambush the jets. It wouldn't be necessary to bring the entire system over. PAC3 has an active radar seeker on the missile itself so the radar unit doesn't even have to remain in range for intercept.
>Imagine the panicked final moments of the pilots.
If PAC3 was used, it can home into the "head" of a target during terminal phase. Pilots probably got a face full of "lethality enhancers" and died instantly.
PAC-2 has 160km range they probably used that.
Yeah, pac2 seems better suited to ensure the crews die
It's possible and supported by 4 vehicles shot down simultaneously since a launcher only holds 4 missiles, but it would mean they rolled the radar unit close to the border since the PAC-2 missiles don't have their own active radar seeker.
PrepHole told me for a week with 100% confidence that russia shot down 4 of their own aircraft in panic
Now apparently they are 100% confident it was actually a patriot system packed up and moved to the border
either way, 5 (not 4) planes got deleted. Does it matter how?
PS: you missed Girkin's take that there were infiltrators with manpads
Infiltrators with manpads sounds a lot more plausible
It doesn't, missiles were way too big and manpads wouldn't kill every single crewmen
Su-34 and Su-35 are big machines with armored pilot compartment. While it's entirely possible to down them, they are unlikely too all die from a manpads attack
Ukraine have shot down several jets with manpads so far in the war
As i said, it's entirely possible, but a manpads hit is very unlikely to kill the pilots. We've seen videos where this happened and they catapulted. Often the plan can even make it back to friendly territory, for example on 1 engine working out of 2.
Manpads missiles have very small warheads
manpads wouldn't instantly kill the pilots you retard.
I got a chuckle out of that too but that's because I have the big tism for propaganda as a whole. Stuff like what gets dismissed and why, what gets accepted as truth and why, what spins can be put on the same base information in the hopes to steer a narrative, what gets memoryholed and why. Its fascinating.
Yes, this past week or so has seen some incredible bullshit spun, from all sides
>Le both sides meme
Why even live tourist.
>he actually believes his side is the noblebright ray of truth that is 100% transparent and would never engage in their own propaganda war
cute kid. binary thinking is a sign of low intelligence though
Yes for once in the last 80 year there’s a war that has a clear good/bad side, and no matter how much you suck rus cock they aren’t a “shade of grey”
that doesnt mean your side isnt engaging in propaganda. propaganda is not limited to moral imperative
Factually speaking, it is both sides you insufferable gay. That's literally how propaganda warfare works. You have to engage in your own to mitigate enemy propaganda. Even with the patriot missile battery in kiev we saw this plainly. Ukies claimed all missiles intercepted, everything is fine. Russia claimed no missiles intercepted, patriot destroyed.
The truth was the middle ground between the two statements. "Most missiles intercepted, a near miss from the one that made it through slightly damaged the missile battery". I know it's hard but use your fucking head for once in your pathetic life. You. Absolute. gay.
(Verification not required)
>Ukies claimed all missiles intercepted, everything is fine. Russia claimed no missiles intercepted, patriot destroyed.
>The truth was the middle ground between the two statements. "Most missiles intercepted, a near miss from the one that made it through slightly damaged the missile battery
fuck knows I'm no vatnik, but I'm a big fan of Oryx's work
at least that shit's more or less verifiable
I agree with the people shitting on you or your programmer.
Propaganda is a tool of war and only a fool would assume it is not being used by both sides in this case
sometimes both sides are the same person
>What in fact has been created here? An international community
you mean /cum/chug ? afaik its was pretty murky all the time. just like ther kremlin drones. its was all memes guessing
PrepHole also tells you that smoking accidents are the leading cause of exploding stuff in russian-occupied areas.
>PrepHole also tells you that smoking accidents are the leading cause of exploding stuff in russian-occupied areas.
That's called sarcasm and mockery
Given how Russia reacted to it I'm more in line with it was friendly fire than anything.
They were notably embarassed in that they didn't even try to spin anything. If it was Ukraine in any context they would have spun it as azov nazi collaborators infiltrated Russia to commit terrorist acts but were killed.
i was literally saying it was patriots from day 1
I was hoping it was AMRAAMs nig rigged to a MiG-29
I’ve been hoping they use the patriots as moron rigged ATACMS to hit sevastopol
I'm pretty sure even when Ukie gets F-16 they still won't get amraams. Do we have some sparrows left?
NASAMS that they already have has AAMRAMs.
Undoubtedly the us MIC will want to use/test them against live targets.
No, it was Russians claiming it was a friendly fire incident.
In hindsight, that should've been a big clue in that something even more embarrassing had happened.
And then afterwards russians went crazy throwing every missile they had at the Patriot system. As usual with Russians, their actions betray their desperation.
Well to be fair we assumed the Russian SEAD and EW system worked so we kind of assumed there was no way allied SAM could pierce the EW fog to get a proper lock so only Russian AA was close enough to overcome it.
If true we vastly overestimated the Russian military again.
>Pilots probably got a face full of "lethality enhancers" and died instantly.
The video of heli has exactly that, missle that rams frontal seats.
>Patriot launchers can be wirelessly distributed over 50km on paper via microwave relay and likely beyond that in practice.
You got a source for that? I'm trying to win an argument elsewhere.
different anon here: Strongly suggest visiting the wiki page:
CTRL+F for microwave only generates one hit, and not for communications as suggested here
While the page was updated with news from 2023-05-19, a lot of the other information seems a few years out of date and is otherwise purposely vague. Maybe microwave communications have been added during hundreds (if not thousands) of upgrades over the last 20+ years. Microwave communications does seem like a very obvious upgrade that may not get a lot of discussion or attention.
But ... it's a solid read for a lot of public info, with hundreds of links plus 200 citations. Whatever arguments you may get involved in, being familiar with at least the wiki page ... and following up on some of the many links ... will probably arm you very well for "discussions."
After plowing through that, sharpen up your search-fu and you should be able to answer the microwave question yourself.
>picrel - very interesting history & news summary for Patriot in Ukraine.
There may be three entire Patriot batteries on the ground in Ukraine right now. The U.S. officially gave them one, but might have stealthed a second one in. Germany gave another. Plus, there are two more full Patriot batteries in Poland from the U.S.
So, potentially five in the region, but a minimum of four. Which may involve approximately 3000 personnel to operate and support them all at peak efficiency (about 600 per battery). Seriously, it's a fairly critical read to get primed on Patriot basics. Highly recommended.
>CTRL+F for microwave only generates one hit,
>The DLT connects the ECS to Patriot's Launching Stations. It uses either a SINCGARS radio or fiber optic cables to transmit encrypted data between the ECS and the launchers.
>The UHF communications array consists of three UHF radio "stacks" and their associated patching and encrypting equipment. These radios are connected to the antennas of the OE-349 Antenna Mast Group, which are used to create UHF "shots" between sister Patriot batteries and their associated ICC.
>The M90x Launching Stations are remotely operated, self-contained units. The ECS controls operation of the launchers through each launcher's DLT, via fiber optic or VHF (SINCGARS) data link.
TLDR ukies ran a cable
>panicked final moments of the pilots.
>the only russian aircraft shot down recently were the 4 over Bryansk
Shouldn't the S-400 be able to intercept missiles? false advertisement or bad placing?
They would need to be in place and in range, with the radar activated. Active radar means risk of catching HARM. AA is way more complicated than you learn from Vidya or movies
They were right about the damaged patriot element. They never said it was destroyed, that was made up by ru trolls later
It's possible. According to the intel leaks Ukraine had six launchers delivered from the US in march, with a further 6 launchers promised from other allies. If those have been delivered they should operate 12 launchers even after the kinzhal strikes kek
The patriot has an extremely shit track record if you actually look into it. At least 3 counties have actively censored or been mute on info about how shit its performance really is, one of them then started making their own systems which were much better (Israel). Same shit is now happening here. Mute of its obvious failures and making up shit like bush sr did.
PAC-2 worked fine in American hands.
It's entire track record is dogshit, especially for the money. Even the Israeli ones fail to hit their targets about 1/3rd to more than half the time (better than 80% miss rate of the earlier models albeit), and this is per attempted intercept with a salvo and not an individual missile attempting intercept. The US is the one hush hushing everyone about its dogshit performance so that raytheon keeps selling them.
All that shit was in the 90s and the Israeli military fucked up interceptions on purpose so they could get funding for their own domestic interceptor system, which eventually became Iron Dome.
No, it's had misses in the last 5 years in combat (not staged tests) at the ratio I've mentioned. Saudi arabias systems have been just as garbage, so are the US ones.
to be fair, i dont trust the track record of anything unless its in western hands. arabs are incredibly incompetent at literally everything they do
has the u.s actually fired a patriot at something since desert storm?
Same manufacturer is working with isreal on the "David's sling" (Patriot GenIV)
i think it's possible.
Russia has been so damn horny to try and get the Patriot system the last few days.
Rumorons dropped FABs on Chernigiv region villages every day across the border.
After mysterious incident 5 days ago there was not a single bombing.
Best use of the system. Better than using them to intercept cruise missiles.