>CNN says patriot shot down an aircraft recently

>CNN says patriot shot down an aircraft recently
>the only russian aircraft shot down recently were the 4 over Bryansk

Did the ukies really drive a Patriot right up to the border and ambush them? Imagine the panicked final moments of the pilots.

https://edition.cnn.com/2023/05/18/politics/us-allies-f-16-jets-ukraine/index.html

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  1. 10 months ago
    Anonymous

    Every time a Russian pilot gets into a Russian plane he experiences panicked final moments.
    Sometimes he doesn't die that time tho

  2. 10 months ago
    Anonymous

    >roadside launch with a Patriot battery HIMARS style
    holy kino

  3. 10 months ago
    Anonymous

    >the only russian aircraft shot down recently were the 4 over Bryansk
    That we know of. Because these fell down inside Russia and were photographed by civilians. This doesn't happen with every bird that goes down

  4. 10 months ago
    Anonymous

    no one ever confirmed what happened there, that said, i don't think i can believe it. no way they fricking did a drive by with a billion dollar patriot system on the border to smoke 2 jets and 2 helis. that's just crazy, right? if nothing else the sheer coordination involved seems implausible

    • 10 months ago
      Anonymous

      Yeah sounds like bullshit. The patriot doesnt have the range to shoot down jets operating from inside russian or belarussian airspace from kyiv and its highly unlikely they moved the system to the border

      • 10 months ago
        Anonymous

        >the only russian aircraft shot down recently were the 4 over Bryansk
        That we know of. Because these fell down inside Russia and were photographed by civilians. This doesn't happen with every bird that goes down

        They have two systems/batteries - one's in Kyiv, where's the other?. The Russian Fighterbomber group would have doomposted if other aircraft were shot down. US classified intel aligns perfectly with the OSINT count of downed aircraft- they're pretty much always recorded.

        • 10 months ago
          Anonymous

          I assume both are guarding kyiv, since thats where missile defence is desperately needed the most and is what the patriots primary purpose is

    • 10 months ago
      Anonymous

      The launchers aren't billion dollar it's a fricking box on a truck holding 1-4 missiles.
      Literally who gives a shit if they did.

      • 10 months ago
        Anonymous

        A launcher can hold up to 16 Pac3 missiles. It also needs a radar and a command vehicle in reasonable vicinity to work

        • 10 months ago
          Anonymous

          Also you need to risk your most experienced AA crew

    • 10 months ago
      Anonymous

      Yeah sounds like bullshit. The patriot doesnt have the range to shoot down jets operating from inside russian or belarussian airspace from kyiv and its highly unlikely they moved the system to the border

      [...]

      They have two systems/batteries - one's in Kyiv, where's the other?. The Russian Fighterbomber group would have doomposted if other aircraft were shot down. US classified intel aligns perfectly with the OSINT count of downed aircraft- they're pretty much always recorded.

      Patriot launchers can be wirelessly distributed over 50km on paper via microwave relay and likely beyond that in practice. It's possible they drove a single launcher up to the border to ambush the jets. It wouldn't be necessary to bring the entire system over. PAC3 has an active radar seeker on the missile itself so the radar unit doesn't even have to remain in range for intercept.

      >Imagine the panicked final moments of the pilots.
      If PAC3 was used, it can home into the "head" of a target during terminal phase. Pilots probably got a face full of "lethality enhancers" and died instantly.

      Aight guys, I have this figured out.
      1. Remember Strelkov and other telegram ziggers said that ULTRA MEGA DEATH STACK of HATO hardware on the border?
      2. This death stack escort patriot to the border.
      3. One of the helis was a jammer that provided jamming for the attack
      4. Ukie observes jamming presses launch
      5. ???
      6. Profit

      • 10 months ago
        Anonymous

        oh yeah I forgot now ultra mega cope + attack on the patriot for the driveby

    • 10 months ago
      Anonymous

      you're talking about the Ukie who literally put 155mm L52 howitzer trucks on a barge and floating them out the black sea to target Snake Island.

      the Ukies probably literally used the trucks that were transporting the Patriots

  5. 10 months ago
    Anonymous

    >CNN

    • 10 months ago
      Anonymous

      Yesterday it was trusted by /misc/.

    • 10 months ago
      Anonymous

      You have to make up your mind vatnik kun. When CNN reported on damaged patriot it was taken as a gospel by polcels

      • 10 months ago
        Anonymous

        It was also dismissed as unreliable be nafoshills

        • 10 months ago
          Anonymous

          Yes but if you're a polcel you should believe it too. Sources say after all

          • 10 months ago
            Anonymous

            No no no, we must name the source and have it officially confirmed by the pentagon with timestamped pictures of the wreck, according to /k/ standards

            • 10 months ago
              Anonymous

              We have videos of the shot down and Sukhoi wreckage. RuMod officially confirmed the loss, as did western sources.
              See the difference?

  6. 10 months ago
    Anonymous

    Russian pilots need to be in a state of constant panic. If the enemy AA doesn't get you, your own will.

  7. 10 months ago
    Anonymous

    Patriot launchers can be wirelessly distributed over 50km on paper via microwave relay and likely beyond that in practice. It's possible they drove a single launcher up to the border to ambush the jets. It wouldn't be necessary to bring the entire system over. PAC3 has an active radar seeker on the missile itself so the radar unit doesn't even have to remain in range for intercept.

    >Imagine the panicked final moments of the pilots.
    If PAC3 was used, it can home into the "head" of a target during terminal phase. Pilots probably got a face full of "lethality enhancers" and died instantly.

    • 10 months ago
      Anonymous

      PAC-2 has 160km range they probably used that.

      • 10 months ago
        Anonymous

        Yeah, pac2 seems better suited to ensure the crews die

      • 10 months ago
        Anonymous

        It's possible and supported by 4 vehicles shot down simultaneously since a launcher only holds 4 missiles, but it would mean they rolled the radar unit close to the border since the PAC-2 missiles don't have their own active radar seeker.

        • 10 months ago
          Anonymous

          /k/ told me for a week with 100% confidence that russia shot down 4 of their own aircraft in panic

          Now apparently they are 100% confident it was actually a patriot system packed up and moved to the border

          • 10 months ago
            Anonymous

            either way, 5 (not 4) planes got deleted. Does it matter how?

            PS: you missed Girkin's take that there were infiltrators with manpads

            • 10 months ago
              Anonymous

              Infiltrators with manpads sounds a lot more plausible

              • 10 months ago
                Anonymous

                It doesn't, missiles were way too big and manpads wouldn't kill every single crewmen

              • 10 months ago
                Anonymous

                Su-34 and Su-35 are big machines with armored pilot compartment. While it's entirely possible to down them, they are unlikely too all die from a manpads attack

              • 10 months ago
                Anonymous

                It doesn't, missiles were way too big and manpads wouldn't kill every single crewmen

                Ukraine have shot down several jets with manpads so far in the war

              • 10 months ago
                Anonymous

                As i said, it's entirely possible, but a manpads hit is very unlikely to kill the pilots. We've seen videos where this happened and they catapulted. Often the plan can even make it back to friendly territory, for example on 1 engine working out of 2.
                Manpads missiles have very small warheads

              • 10 months ago
                Anonymous

                manpads wouldn't instantly kill the pilots you moron.

          • 10 months ago
            Anonymous

            I got a chuckle out of that too but that's because I have the big tism for propaganda as a whole. Stuff like what gets dismissed and why, what gets accepted as truth and why, what spins can be put on the same base information in the hopes to steer a narrative, what gets memoryholed and why. Its fascinating.

            • 10 months ago
              Anonymous

              Yes, this past week or so has seen some incredible bullshit spun, from all sides

              • 10 months ago
                Anonymous

                >Le both sides meme
                Why even live tourist.

              • 10 months ago
                Anonymous

                >he actually believes his side is the noblebright ray of truth that is 100% transparent and would never engage in their own propaganda war

                cute kid. binary thinking is a sign of low intelligence though

              • 10 months ago
                Anonymous

                Yes for once in the last 80 year there’s a war that has a clear good/bad side, and no matter how much you suck rus wiener they aren’t a “shade of grey”

              • 10 months ago
                Anonymous

                that doesnt mean your side isnt engaging in propaganda. propaganda is not limited to moral imperative

              • 10 months ago
                Anonymous

                Factually speaking, it is both sides you insufferable homosexual. That's literally how propaganda warfare works. You have to engage in your own to mitigate enemy propaganda. Even with the patriot missile battery in kiev we saw this plainly. Ukies claimed all missiles intercepted, everything is fine. Russia claimed no missiles intercepted, patriot destroyed.
                The truth was the middle ground between the two statements. "Most missiles intercepted, a near miss from the one that made it through slightly damaged the missile battery". I know it's hard but use your fricking head for once in your pathetic life. You. Absolute. homosexual.
                (Verification not required)

              • 10 months ago
                Anonymous

                >Ukies claimed all missiles intercepted, everything is fine. Russia claimed no missiles intercepted, patriot destroyed.
                >The truth was the middle ground between the two statements. "Most missiles intercepted, a near miss from the one that made it through slightly damaged the missile battery
                this
                frick knows I'm no vatnik, but I'm a big fan of Oryx's work
                at least that shit's more or less verifiable

              • 10 months ago
                Anonymous

                I agree with the people shitting on you or your programmer.
                Propaganda is a tool of war and only a fool would assume it is not being used by both sides in this case

              • 10 months ago
                Anonymous

                sometimes both sides are the same person

              • 10 months ago
                Anonymous

                >What in fact has been created here? An international community

            • 10 months ago
              Anonymous

              (why)

          • 10 months ago
            Anonymous

            you mean /cum/chug ? afaik its was pretty murky all the time. just like ther kremlin drones. its was all memes guessing

          • 10 months ago
            Anonymous

            /k/ also tells you that smoking accidents are the leading cause of exploding stuff in russian-occupied areas.

            • 10 months ago
              Anonymous

              >/k/ also tells you that smoking accidents are the leading cause of exploding stuff in russian-occupied areas.
              That's called sarcasm and mockery

          • 10 months ago
            Anonymous

            Given how Russia reacted to it I'm more in line with it was friendly fire than anything.
            They were notably embarassed in that they didn't even try to spin anything. If it was Ukraine in any context they would have spun it as azov nazi collaborators infiltrated Russia to commit terrorist acts but were killed.

          • 10 months ago
            Anonymous

            i was literally saying it was patriots from day 1

            • 10 months ago
              Anonymous

              I was hoping it was AMRAAMs nig rigged to a MiG-29

              • 10 months ago
                Anonymous

                I’ve been hoping they use the patriots as Black person rigged ATACMS to hit sevastopol

              • 10 months ago
                Anonymous

                I'm pretty sure even when Ukie gets F-16 they still won't get amraams. Do we have some sparrows left?

              • 10 months ago
                Anonymous

                NASAMS that they already have has AAMRAMs.
                Undoubtedly the us MIC will want to use/test them against live targets.

          • 10 months ago
            Anonymous

            No, it was Russians claiming it was a friendly fire incident.
            In hindsight, that should've been a big clue in that something even more embarrassing had happened.

            And then afterwards russians went crazy throwing every missile they had at the Patriot system. As usual with Russians, their actions betray their desperation.

          • 10 months ago
            Anonymous

            Well to be fair we assumed the Russian SEAD and EW system worked so we kind of assumed there was no way allied SAM could pierce the EW fog to get a proper lock so only Russian AA was close enough to overcome it.
            If true we vastly overestimated the Russian military again.

    • 10 months ago
      Anonymous

      HOLY KINO.

    • 10 months ago
      Anonymous

      >Pilots probably got a face full of "lethality enhancers" and died instantly.
      The video of heli has exactly that, missle that rams frontal seats.

    • 10 months ago
      Anonymous

      >Patriot launchers can be wirelessly distributed over 50km on paper via microwave relay and likely beyond that in practice.
      You got a source for that? I'm trying to win an argument elsewhere.

      • 10 months ago
        Anonymous

        different anon here: Strongly suggest visiting the wiki page:
        https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MIM-104_Patriot

        CTRL+F for microwave only generates one hit, and not for communications as suggested here

        Patriot launchers can be wirelessly distributed over 50km on paper via microwave relay and likely beyond that in practice. It's possible they drove a single launcher up to the border to ambush the jets. It wouldn't be necessary to bring the entire system over. PAC3 has an active radar seeker on the missile itself so the radar unit doesn't even have to remain in range for intercept.

        >Imagine the panicked final moments of the pilots.
        If PAC3 was used, it can home into the "head" of a target during terminal phase. Pilots probably got a face full of "lethality enhancers" and died instantly.

        .

        While the page was updated with news from 2023-05-19, a lot of the other information seems a few years out of date and is otherwise purposely vague. Maybe microwave communications have been added during hundreds (if not thousands) of upgrades over the last 20+ years. Microwave communications does seem like a very obvious upgrade that may not get a lot of discussion or attention.

        But ... it's a solid read for a lot of public info, with hundreds of links plus 200 citations. Whatever arguments you may get involved in, being familiar with at least the wiki page ... and following up on some of the many links ... will probably arm you very well for "discussions."

        After plowing through that, sharpen up your search-fu and you should be able to answer the microwave question yourself.

        >picrel - very interesting history & news summary for Patriot in Ukraine.
        There may be three entire Patriot batteries on the ground in Ukraine right now. The U.S. officially gave them one, but might have stealthed a second one in. Germany gave another. Plus, there are two more full Patriot batteries in Poland from the U.S.

        So, potentially five in the region, but a minimum of four. Which may involve approximately 3000 personnel to operate and support them all at peak efficiency (about 600 per battery). Seriously, it's a fairly critical read to get primed on Patriot basics. Highly recommended.

        • 10 months ago
          Anonymous

          >CTRL+F for microwave only generates one hit,

          Try "radio"

          >The DLT connects the ECS to Patriot's Launching Stations. It uses either a SINCGARS radio or fiber optic cables to transmit encrypted data between the ECS and the launchers.

          >The UHF communications array consists of three UHF radio "stacks" and their associated patching and encrypting equipment. These radios are connected to the antennas of the OE-349 Antenna Mast Group, which are used to create UHF "shots" between sister Patriot batteries and their associated ICC.

          >The M90x Launching Stations are remotely operated, self-contained units. The ECS controls operation of the launchers through each launcher's DLT, via fiber optic or VHF (SINCGARS) data link.

          TLDR ukies ran a cable

  8. 10 months ago
    Anonymous

    >panicked final moments of the pilots.
    LMAO

    >ACK!

  9. 10 months ago
    Anonymous

    >the only russian aircraft shot down recently were the 4 over Bryansk
    Shouldn't the S-400 be able to intercept missiles? false advertisement or bad placing?

    • 10 months ago
      Anonymous

      They would need to be in place and in range, with the radar activated. Active radar means risk of catching HARM. AA is way more complicated than you learn from Vidya or movies

  10. 10 months ago
    Anonymous

    >CNN

    • 10 months ago
      Anonymous

      They were right about the damaged patriot element. They never said it was destroyed, that was made up by ru trolls later

  11. 10 months ago
    Anonymous

    It's possible. According to the intel leaks Ukraine had six launchers delivered from the US in march, with a further 6 launchers promised from other allies. If those have been delivered they should operate 12 launchers even after the kinzhal strikes kek

  12. 10 months ago
    Anonymous

    The patriot has an extremely shit track record if you actually look into it. At least 3 counties have actively censored or been mute on info about how shit its performance really is, one of them then started making their own systems which were much better (Israel). Same shit is now happening here. Mute of its obvious failures and making up shit like bush sr did.

    • 10 months ago
      Anonymous

      PAC-2 worked fine in American hands.

      • 10 months ago
        Anonymous

        It's entire track record is dogshit, especially for the money. Even the Israeli ones fail to hit their targets about 1/3rd to more than half the time (better than 80% miss rate of the earlier models albeit), and this is per attempted intercept with a salvo and not an individual missile attempting intercept. The US is the one hush hushing everyone about its dogshit performance so that raytheon keeps selling them.

        • 10 months ago
          Anonymous

          All that shit was in the 90s and the Israeli military fricked up interceptions on purpose so they could get funding for their own domestic interceptor system, which eventually became Iron Dome.

          • 10 months ago
            Anonymous

            No, it's had misses in the last 5 years in combat (not staged tests) at the ratio I've mentioned. Saudi arabias systems have been just as garbage, so are the US ones.

            • 10 months ago
              Anonymous

              to be fair, i dont trust the track record of anything unless its in western hands. arabs are incredibly incompetent at literally everything they do

              has the u.s actually fired a patriot at something since desert storm?

    • 10 months ago
      Anonymous

      Same manufacturer is working with isreal on the "David's sling" (Patriot GenIV)

  13. 10 months ago
    Anonymous

    >Imagine

  14. 10 months ago
    Anonymous

    i think it's possible.

    Russia has been so damn horny to try and get the Patriot system the last few days.

  15. 10 months ago
    Anonymous

    RuBlack folk dropped FABs on Chernigiv region villages every day across the border.
    After mysterious incident 5 days ago there was not a single bombing.

  16. 10 months ago
    Anonymous

    Best use of the system. Better than using them to intercept cruise missiles.

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