CGs is based from the recent leaked footage.
Confirmed features:
>ETC Main Cannon of unknown caliber
>Two Man Crew in Chassis
>Unmanned Turret
>Lightweight, High Mobility
>Turret APS with 360° coverage (Trophy style)
>Active Electromagnetic ERA (detonates before round hits by radio frequency trigger, useful vs kinetic rounds)
Looks like a pretty rad contender to the next generation of tanks other countries are developing.
why don't they just make a 5th or 6th gen tank
Source of leaked footage:
https://twitter.com/i/status/1613518559090708483
Screengrab shows the ERA exploding before the round hits, intercepting it.
Working principle: RF sensors inside each tile detect incoming rounds and trigger the charge
this ERA is designated as FY-5, apparently.
FY-4 is the one that equips the current Chinese tankline.
Also in the footages; side-arrays for the APS radar system.
Apparently, same as the GL-6 shown in the 2022 Zhuhai Airshow.
are they seriously using Sprocket for official purposes?
Sprocket's come a long way.
I'm not knocking Sprocket, just voicing my amazement that they'd be using it.
Probably a decent tool to use just in terms of working on a early/quick concept for a new vehicle but I would never expect that to be for anything but internal use
take a look at the wheels.They still use derivative of soviet design, even in their CGI fantasy.
>RF sensor
Sounds like you could use a microwave or something to set these off at range. What would happen to a tank if all the ERA detonated at once? Just scare the crew or damage the suspension?
Yeah, rf sensor activated era panels seem to give a limited gain for whatever cost you put in.
Money is better spent on soft and hard kill systems. Something like DIRCM to throw off javalin type missiles coupled with an APS like trophy.
Also, stylistically this tank looks oddly similar to the t14…more so than any resemblance to western style next gen MBTs. Interesting
>you could use a microwave or something to set these off at range.
This is very stupid on so many levels
Not him, but if the rf sensors would be tuned to a specific frequency. You could potentially trip or delay the trigger if you hit it with a concentrated beam of rf waves, which is what microwave weapons are designed to do
https://www.researchgate.net/publication/257777095_Detection_and_identification_of_objects_based_on_radio-frequency_signatures
>Emitting in an active warzone
Kek
APS radars are also emitting in an active warzone, friendo.
what if you made the APS radar emitters little disposable drones that fly around a hundreds meters from the tank and also talk to all the other tanks to create one giant distributed radar network over your armor formation, which can then task ERA and multiple types of APS systems with engaging targets, and since we're making these drones so loud EM wise let's also make them EW platforms
At that point you can just add CIWS on top of every tank.
Yeah and
>Screengrab shows the ERA exploding before the round hits
what if you run at the tank at great speeds
I think the triggering system has a simple CPU that discriminates against small (bullet/autogun sized) and slow targets beneath a certain threshold. This is simple enough that even WWII era RF fuze could do by mechanics
If you can run at the speed of a missile, glowies are gonna black bag you and ship you off to a vivisection becuase you're clearly a fricking alien or some shit.
How are they supposed to catch you if you can run that fast.
it has no barrel stabilization so they cant fire on the move. this tank is clearly the dig it into the ground t72 style and hope for the best
>it has no barrel stabilization
Source on that? The ZTZ-99 and previous 96 model and all the pimped out T-55 clones before that all had it. Makes 0 sense unless you are making shit up.
Hate how hard it is to have a rational discussion on Chinese stuff on /k/, literally every post devolves into reactionary shit flinging and literally making shit up.
Probably because the PLA is more focused around being a regional power, don't really need armor when at worst you're gonna be fighting moronic Pajeets in T-72's and whatever crap Russia could scrape up.
>every post devolves into reactionary shit flinging
NTA but it's PrepHole for frick sake. What do you expect from the denizens of mongolian horse milking forum.
>Probably because the PLA is more focused around being a regional power,
No, the PLA ground force just don't consider tank that important. The core of PLA ground forces is artillery, the rest is to support that.
>Makes 0 sense unless you are making shit up.
NCD post Ukraine invasion loves making up bizarre, easily disproven lies about the Chinese military which spread to /k/.
as opposed to the PLA itself which is an accurate source of their own capabilities?
At least don't make shit up that can be easily disproven
VT-5 light tank (export Type 15) tested by Bangladesh.
At circa 0:40 you see the stabilization working.
Any other dumb claims I need to disprove?
Unmanned turret, two man crew (three man might be better for infoproc, but the space is better) seems like a good idea
tonk on Tonk side shots, what is this 1991 lmao? Pretty hopeless against top attack EFP ie the main tank killer in this day and age. Trophy is easily overwhelmed by multishot. Mech cucks deserve to eat molten metal
2 man seems like a fricking awful idea. No situational awareness, no redundancy, no ability to do meaningful field repairs. Fixing a slipped track with 2 manlet chinks sounds like a special kind of hell.
Moar CGs
Some sources say the ETC gun could be a 105mm caliber and it would have similiar power compared to the 125mm due to much higher velocities, but this is still unknown how much of it is true.
I feel like they're forgetting something important. The newest Western tanks do not neglect the usefulness of having a parasite craft/drone to launch for recon or other such purposes.
It feels like such an obvious advantage to have, but maybe they think they'll launch the drones from elsewhere, but that would force the tank to be used more rigidly in lockstep with their other units.
Yeah, it’s really odd considering, for the past 10 years China has shirked soviet weapons design cues and started unapologetically implementing NATO/WESTERN style weapons for everything from their rifle to their aircraft.
Now suddenly this leaked next gen MBT goes back to China using Slavic over western design philosophies. Maybe it’s weapons system is limited in range negating the need of a spotter drone?
I wouldnt be worried about the onboard UAV, since in the 2022 airshow they have shown exactly that as an upgrade package for their older tank models.
I'm more concerned about the seeming fact that the new tank is based on a modified light-tank chassis, albeit with thick MBT-class glacis to protect the crew there, but other than that, completely reliant on active means of defense.
China really wants a "high-speed low drag" kind of tank-force, while the rest of the world is going heavier again in anticipation of a great power conflict.
Maybe the intent is just to produce a ton of tanks so they can have lots of guns. It's kind of like the "chinese missile spam" strategy. They may not be able to win in quality but if they just saturate with enough guns to win, they think they'll be fine.
In a great power conflict the main killer of tanks are going to be laser guided artillery and DCIPM shells, only those who survive have the privilege to be knocked to by NLOS ATGMs, both of them have longer range than any MBTs APFSDS rounds
Eh, I feel like you could do that with just a modular launch canister that you bolt on as needed.
Aktshually Chieftain thinks that having an onboard drone (or any extraneous capability not integral to a tank's main role) is basically wasted space which could be better utilized for ammunition storage, more armor or weight savings, and that UAVs are better off handled by dedicated operator in a separate unit and not by the already overworked tank crew
I think a couple of tethered drones could act as an improved commanders periscope and could allow the commander to see over cover and things like that. I think the chieftain was concerned about drones needing an operator but if the drones just automatically hover they dont need an operator just an observer
I feel like this is a waste of space and the turret space should be used for more ammo instead. Rheinmetall itself even offers unmanned ground vehicles that can follow the KF51 and launch loitering ammunitions.
Finally, the true a next generation tank.
>(detonates before round hits by radio frequency trigger, useful vs kinetic rounds)
I don't think you know what KE is
Heavy APFSDS rod-breaking ERA do exactly that; breaking the rods by cutting them apart mid-air via multiple shaped charges.
The difference here is just that the ERA can "sense" the incoming round and doesnt need to get punctured to go off.
Implessive?
Implessive!
Crew view, I guess these are old simulators and the current version might have AR/VR google support.
I still dont like 2 man crews. At the very least there should be a 3rd guy as commander/drone operator.
3rd guy may be a bit better but it's also 50% more crew space. Might be a good tradeoff. That new Korean/Polish tank is also supposed to have 2 man crew.
>CONFIRMED FROM THIS CGI STILL IMAGE
end yourself homosexual
>ETC Main Cannon of unknown caliber
This doesn't inherently mean much. The improvements of ETC are limited, a 120mm ETC gun about equaled that of a 140mm conventional gun at a much higher price. Overall with the lightening of tanks however its doubtful increases in gun performance will be necessary, you will just have 40 ton tanks that can withstand a 50mm autocannon shell to the front sniping each other from 4 kilometers away.
>Two Man Crew in Chassis
>No commander
>Light RWS to engage enemies without turning the entire turret
>Gunner has to identify his own targets
LMAO
>Unmanned Turret
Fair. General trend of modern tank design.
>Lightweight, High Mobility
>Turret APS with 360° coverage (Trophy style)
Fair enough
>Active Electromagnetic ERA (detonates before round hits by radio frequency trigger, useful vs kinetic rounds)
Seems to be of doubtful utility and have a pointlessly high risk of failure.
The two man crew is really strange and either fully moronic and super ambitious, or they have extremely high confidence in their AI and automatization. Wouldnt be surprised if they think that their AI face recognition that they employ in their cities with that tank's FCS.
Yet again, we cant tell from the hatches how many crew members are inside. The Armata also just has 2 hatches, but 3 crew members.
Even if I did have a two man crew I would just have a commander and driver and have the gun slaved to whatever targets the commander painted. Point to something and move on, with the commander having a potentially wider field of vision and a turret (light 7.62-20mm RWS) able to rotate more quickly than the main turret.
Two crew seems too few for basic tank maintenance tasks
I suppose this could be fixed to some extent with higher battalion level maintenance or I suppose theoretically shifting maintenance entirely off of the crew and onto dedicated mechanics. Either way I don't trust the Chinese to actually pull either of those off effectively.
Eh, that's not that big an issue, you just increase your company or battalion-level maintenance crews accordingly. When the French went from 4 to 3 crew with the Leclerc, they just added an extra maintenance platoon with a couple trucks at battalion level and put all their old loaders into that.
What are those things?
Drones swarm?
Smoke grenades for spoofing javelins and such
In Ukraine right now both sides are using DJI drones to spot targets for their tanks and artillery. The eyes of a TC will never match a drone that can operate up to 10km away with thermals and laser designator
ETC now has quite a good synergy with hybrid electric drives. If you already have a robust supercapacitor setup in your tank pointing it at the gun isn't so hard. Its also small - weight and size have been critical issues since WWII - the most important issue. This tank will probably be 60 tonnes and on the limit of current realistic weight and size. The 2 man crew is also weight and size issue. The armor capsule could be genuine matched equal own weapon in this case - been a long time since such things were a thing
>>Two Man Crew in Chassis
How the frick are you going to communicate with the section lead, load 50 rnd and re-hook a track with 2 people.
You can't even separate the command designation function and the gunner sighting with 2 people.
Just have maintenance vehicles behind them?
Also I'm sure both crew members will have access to cameras and could designate targets. 3rd guy would probably be ideal but you are saving a lot of space with 2 man crew.
Drone carrier IFVs behind tanks could take care of most hunter killer stuff anyways.
The Strv103 could be operated by 1 crewman
The tank could be operated competently by 2 crewman (commander and driver-gunner)
They still put a 3rd crewman (who was the radiooperator-reverse driver
Every tank video game has one guy doing all the work. Now with shit like AI and drones overhead designating targets for you it's easier than ever.
You designate target and the tank AI does the shooting and stuff..
Communications is of course fricked.
>unmanned turret
>two manned crew
this is just not gonna work
3 man crew is the bare minimum
Look up Israel's Carmel experiments and America's pre-FCS prototype tanks. 2 is enough.
China beats America to 4th gen would be based.
It remains vanishingly unlikely, though. I have zero doubt the Army will [i]scream[/i] for more tank research programs, but we already HAVE an elaborate series of programs for new and more advanced and versatile armored vehicles.
China has a lot of shit T-72 like tanks they will have to replace if they want something capable of going against western tanks. There is less drive to innovate when you have Abrams.
They still have a few hundred T-55 clones in service.
>Some chang copies an old US concept and throws it on his weibo account
>Gee I'd better make a thread about this vital development
frick off
>some chong builds something neat
>burgers say its stupid and impossible
>its actually something burgers proposed themselves 40 years ago
every time
>Burgers realize an idea is stupid 40 years ago
>Chinese just now testing it out and thinking it's the best thing ever
Sometimes they get it right.
That high-pressure 40mm grenade sniper cannon they lifted from the Americans should have been something pursued further by China Lake or someone else.
It punches the operator in the face with each shot but it's still neat and useful.
Its pretty moronic from every level. Large, heavy, huge amounts of recoil, for a slightly better 40mm SAGM (range, and thats it)
who are you quoting chang
Someone post the Type 15 with the 30mm cannon, forgot the name.
Tanks should be unmanned - prove me wrong
Tesla wayfinding and more ammunition for drive bys
implessive! china takes another step into world hegemony
>Chinks are using literal ARMA footage as propaganda
Wouldn't it be better if the chinks modified their existing T99s and T96s with some of these new technologies and then iterate and refine them to work better then incorporating them on an completely new tank chassis?
I love how everyone just copies 1990 tank concepts from the General Dynamics yard.
Sorry Chinese supporters but Chinese metallurgy and Chinese computers SUCK
>Chinese metallurgy and Chinese computers SUCK
Right now, yes you are right. But in the future it will only get better.
and western tech will stagnant? chinee tech will always (at least in our lifetimes) be behind us.
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Pretty sure now that Moore's law is coming to an end and China has a sizable tech industry, there won't be such massive disparities in tech capabilities that have existed since the early 80s.
Much of the US tech supremacy has been riding on the coattails of the exponential gains in computing in general, that's over.
>ETC Main Cannon
Interesting, if true (it's not).
Remember that time china put a house sized "rail gun" on a landing ship that was made out to look like a turret but it never really could rotate? Remember when it never fired and china brought it back to port and dismantled it and called it a success?
Pepperidge farm remembers.
>Remember when it never fired and china brought it back to port and dismantled it and called it a success?
There was no new on that, stop making shit up
https://asiatimes.com/2022/02/chinas-railgun-tech-on-a-surprising-fast-track/
>In February 2018, China conducted the first successful test-firing of a railgun at sea, using its railgun prototype on the Type 072III Haiyang Shan landing ship testbed. The weapon was reported to have fired a 25-kilogram projectile at a target 250 kilometers away with a projectile velocity of 2,575 meters per second.
It doesn't said they dismantled lol. It say it was a success
Where is the ship, xao?
You said it was dismantled
where is the link saying it was dismantled moron ?
that shit was hilarious but china at least is likely capable of making a next gen tank as its much easier to just mismatch known russian designs and whatever western designs some CCP aligned female university student intern can get a hold of via a trade for a blowjob
wow vely implessive, it's over for western monkeys
>CG
>Confirmed
unstoppable murderquadcopters confirmed as well
tfw the reason shipping containers went up in price is the noble PLA is making millions of these and the world shall tremble
Oh sweet, what mobile game is this advertisement for?
Armor of God IV
How man MGs does it have?
They are much better suited for shooting at its primary adversary - unarmed protestors. The treads could be wider as well to make flattening them more efficient.
Color Revolution glowies deserve everything they got
yes, the chinese deserve the best the chinese government can throw at them.
more dead chinese either way, and its not like they are going to pose a threat to anyone else
Why MGs and not fighter-jets?
According to Biden, you use fighter jets to kill your own people during protests, not machine guns.
also
>believing in glowBlack person claims long disproven by wikileaks
of course you didnt even read the shit you a referencing you absolute Black person
>ALTHOUGH THEIR ACCOUNT GENERALLY FOLLOWS THOSE
PREVIOUSLY REPORTED[...]
Bro, it never happened like ZOG media wants you to think it happened.
Jan 6th police shooting-deaths are more unjustified than what happened on June 6th
again read the fricking wikileaks shit you are refering too Black person
>ALTHOUGH HE DID NOT ACTUALLY WITNESS ANY LARGE SCALE SHOOTINGS ON THE SQUARE PROPER, GALLO SAW MANY CASUALTIES BROUGHT INTO THE SQUARE AND DID
NOT DOUBT THAT HUNDREDS OF PEOPLE IN BEIJING WERE KILLED BY THE ARMY ON JUNE 3 AND 4
Yeah not surprising if the "protesters" were blocking the roads to the square and hanging the charred corpses of the 1st wave of unarmed soldiers on those barricades and bridges.
As said, Jan 6 deaths were more unjustified than June 6th.
you went from
>never happened
to
>they deserved it
real fricking fast lmao
>the tank crews actually crushed this protestor on a bike in selfdefense!
>1/5th the weight of a mk1
>1/4th the crew
>1 cannon or mg vs 5 guns
Shaving off one crew member in a modern vehicle is not going to make a huge difference in production.
Their population decline just kicked in, fifteen years earlier than projected
Tick tock chang
Wow you mean China will have less than 1.5B people soon? Like, 1.49B people? Gosh, this will ruin their total draftable population and rekt their supply of workers for their weapon factories!
Meanwhile
Ukraine Strong! Taiwan Strong!
17,8M people will flood out all invaders with their bravery!
holy frick wumao gets asshurt fast on this board
prove me wrong, NAFObot.
40M orginal population, 17M already fled and become prostitutes sucking wieners in Poland and Germany and the rest being drafted to war and being ground down into paste in Donbass and their earlier human wave assaults vs Kherson, are now left with some 3M total draftable population for the 9th wave of mobilization. And somehow you fricks claim that this will ensure their victory vs Russia.
At the same time, China's population will decline at the current trends from 1.5B to around 1 billion by the end of this century (which is still many times more than your cuckraine) and you are already declaring the end of the Chinese menace.
But logical thinking isnt you guy's strong suit anyway.
meds
Like 0 bugs left. True 0 of slant posting.
Best shit is that the same CCP that enforced One Child Policy through oppressive means could just as well enforce 10 child policy through the same means. Political power grows out from the barrel of a gun after all.
Yeah, shit's a non-issue for an authoritarian state.
The only dictator I can think of in history that ever actually attempted this was Ceausescu and according to the Romanian census it worked for like two years then somehow fertility got even worse
Communist Romania maintained an above replacement fertility until its collapse, so it worked by the main metric, same thing for the USSR which maintained 2+ fertility until it lifted the natalist policies.
>it worked
what happened in the 1990s, anon?
Something that had very little to do with that line spanning 1969 to 1989 you frickin' idiot
It indeed did stabilize the birthrates above replacement
thats cgi anon
It's ugly. Aesthetics are L I T E R A L L Y the only thing that matters when it comes to tanks.
seems like another light tank, maybe even lighter than the Type 15?
seems like they envision fighting the poos in the next few years