>in keeping with the rest of our israeli dominated administrations, we are so cheap that we keep around ancient pieces of shit so we can sell them in bulk to moronic third worlders, enslaving them too under our globohomosexual world hegemony enforced under a rainbow banner of McFreedom and Diversity
I heard that they’re still occasionally used by armored vehicle crews, especially since they’re more compact than an M4. Although they look crude and outdated, the M3 is actually a really well thought out design (other than the charging handle on the early models). I’m pretty sure it’s a case of “if it ain’t broke, don’t fix it”, and “idk it just came the tank”
They were all supposed to be removed from service after the Gulf War, but I believe some NG and Reserve tank units had them locked away deep in their armories until around 9/11
In terms of ancient small arms that are confirmed to still be in use, the Air Force still issues an original Colt 603 as a DMR to missile security at one of the nuke bases, I think it was Malmstrom. Note the armory bar code on the magwell
For real. One of my high school friends dad owned a grease gun and damn that guy loved his grease gun. He invited everyone and their brother to go shoot it with him.
"In service" on Wikipedia means it's used by at least one military power. The Mosin is still listed as "In service" for example.
Though the M3 did have an unusually long service life in the American army, mostly as a crew gun for tankers. Though Delta Force actually used it for a time, apparently it was stupid quiet when suppressed.
Having fired both, I disagree. The M3 has better ergos, more accurate, and more controlable. The M3 would be my 2nd top WW2 pick for best SMG behind the KP31.
sten was an absolute piece of shit. it took like 5 man-hours to produce and was worth about 100 quid in today's money. imagine the quality that came with it.
>it took like 5 man-hours to produce and was worth about 100 quid in today's money.
Isn't that a quality of its own?
The Jerries were so impressed they made their own clone.
Yeah but it was a weapon of desperate necessity, hence why the germans made it at the end.
While I haven't shot one I'm sure the PPS-43 is a much better economy-SMG than the STEN was. I feel like there's a decent list of SMGs that come out ahead of the STEN in anything but "ideal to make in desperate situations"
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>BEF doesn't have the STEN in 1940 and loses >BEF has the STEN in 1944 and wins
'nuff said
I shot a Canadian STEN with the tube stock and I wasn't that happy with it. The grip wasn't comfortable at all and the mags didn't run well on that particular gun. I think a Mk V with good mags wouldn't be too bad.
It was a weapon designed around a fairly desperate war time economy. There were far better designs already in use like the Lanchester, but they were short on key materials and skilled mechanics and were hoping to make something that worked and could be manufactured everywhere by anyone. They succeeded in that. It is possibly the crudest weapon of WW2 but it meant at least one guy in the squad had something that went dakka dakka.
sten was an absolute piece of shit. it took like 5 man-hours to produce and was worth about 100 quid in today's money. imagine the quality that came with it.
I would literally trust my cheap cast-zinc Ring of Fire pistol with my life over a Sten. They kind of work, and often put bullets where you point them. The mags suck, and if you hold the gun wrong or catch it on your clothes/fat ass while moving they fire exactly one round and then need slapping around until they work again. Plus they hurt to shoot. You know a gun is bad when third-world hellholes are cutting them up and dumping them in favor of home-made shit.
This. Pinoys still use the Grease Gun, to very good effect. .45 is still as potent in 2022 as it was in 1943. Grease gun is honestly a good weapon, especially for the cost of production. I wish someone would make a modern M3 repro.
In the 90s they used to give them to tank crews and the like as a gun they could use if they had to abandon the tank. I don't know what they're using them for now.
They work though, they're reliable, they don't weight too much and they have a slow controllable rate of full auto fire which makes them decent for suppressive fire.
Somewhere designed to the sten mags
Some were Chinese copies that didn't do it correctly before they moved to Taiwan.
And some people just wanted it to fit just right.
It's not the most accurate, nor the most comfortable, nor has the best rate of fire, but it's sturdy enough to beat a man to death with and still spit bullets after.
bro there's no comparison when it comes to the big man himself. A design that can endure long enough to even be compared to something of Brownings is more of a compliment than anything else
The US hasn't had them in inventory since the 90's, the Philippines and some other nations still use and modernize them from ancient donor stockpiles.
They look pretty sweet too
thats kinda hot
it would be hot if they didn't put a walmart red dot on it
Kyle only needed a sightmark
Because frick you this is America and we can keep or force our allies to keep whatever guns we want in service as long as we want
>in keeping with the rest of our israeli dominated administrations, we are so cheap that we keep around ancient pieces of shit so we can sell them in bulk to moronic third worlders, enslaving them too under our globohomosexual world hegemony enforced under a rainbow banner of McFreedom and Diversity
Amurika
I heard that they’re still occasionally used by armored vehicle crews, especially since they’re more compact than an M4. Although they look crude and outdated, the M3 is actually a really well thought out design (other than the charging handle on the early models). I’m pretty sure it’s a case of “if it ain’t broke, don’t fix it”, and “idk it just came the tank”
They were all supposed to be removed from service after the Gulf War, but I believe some NG and Reserve tank units had them locked away deep in their armories until around 9/11
In terms of ancient small arms that are confirmed to still be in use, the Air Force still issues an original Colt 603 as a DMR to missile security at one of the nuke bases, I think it was Malmstrom. Note the armory bar code on the magwell
Damn I want that
Love nothing more than scopes mounted ontop of carry handles
its cool it works and you are a homosexual
this would literally be perfect riot defense why cant we have them?
For real. One of my high school friends dad owned a grease gun and damn that guy loved his grease gun. He invited everyone and their brother to go shoot it with him.
"In service" on Wikipedia means it's used by at least one military power. The Mosin is still listed as "In service" for example.
Though the M3 did have an unusually long service life in the American army, mostly as a crew gun for tankers. Though Delta Force actually used it for a time, apparently it was stupid quiet when suppressed.
>The Mosin is still listed as "In service" for example.
It kinda is tho
>It kinda is
what's ambiguous about the Russians issuing them out in Ukraine? that seems pretty "in service" to me
>captcha: No KKK
Considering we’re seeing mosins pop up in ukraine yes, theyre definitely still in service.
Swedish K is better
Having fired both, I disagree. The M3 has better ergos, more accurate, and more controlable. The M3 would be my 2nd top WW2 pick for best SMG behind the KP31.
What about the Sterling?
Not really fair to compare weapons of war period manufacture with postwar ones.
I was like 9 when I shot a Sterling so I don't think I could judge it fairly.
What about the Sten?
sten was an absolute piece of shit. it took like 5 man-hours to produce and was worth about 100 quid in today's money. imagine the quality that came with it.
>it took like 5 man-hours to produce and was worth about 100 quid in today's money.
Isn't that a quality of its own?
The Jerries were so impressed they made their own clone.
Yeah but it was a weapon of desperate necessity, hence why the germans made it at the end.
While I haven't shot one I'm sure the PPS-43 is a much better economy-SMG than the STEN was. I feel like there's a decent list of SMGs that come out ahead of the STEN in anything but "ideal to make in desperate situations"
>BEF doesn't have the STEN in 1940 and loses
>BEF has the STEN in 1944 and wins
'nuff said
I shot a Canadian STEN with the tube stock and I wasn't that happy with it. The grip wasn't comfortable at all and the mags didn't run well on that particular gun. I think a Mk V with good mags wouldn't be too bad.
It was a weapon designed around a fairly desperate war time economy. There were far better designs already in use like the Lanchester, but they were short on key materials and skilled mechanics and were hoping to make something that worked and could be manufactured everywhere by anyone. They succeeded in that. It is possibly the crudest weapon of WW2 but it meant at least one guy in the squad had something that went dakka dakka.
I would literally trust my cheap cast-zinc Ring of Fire pistol with my life over a Sten. They kind of work, and often put bullets where you point them. The mags suck, and if you hold the gun wrong or catch it on your clothes/fat ass while moving they fire exactly one round and then need slapping around until they work again. Plus they hurt to shoot. You know a gun is bad when third-world hellholes are cutting them up and dumping them in favor of home-made shit.
Ian get out
How about the Owen?
It works.
Does anyone make semi auto clones?
Not so much Burgers, more like Pinoys. Their navy still uses them for shipboard security.
This. Pinoys still use the Grease Gun, to very good effect. .45 is still as potent in 2022 as it was in 1943. Grease gun is honestly a good weapon, especially for the cost of production. I wish someone would make a modern M3 repro.
it's funny because .45 was invented to kill flips
.45 ACP was invented to duplicate the performance of the .45 caliber revolver cartridge the Army was using (was it .45 Schofield at that point lol)
If the US used them 'till the Gulf War you bet your ass some shithole will be using it for the next 50 years
>thinks the service life section only refers to the service in its country of origin
European education
Someone's about to use one in a mass shooting so they can ban c&r guns, huh?
That's not the only m3 still in service 😉
>You have 10 seconds to explain this
In the 90s they used to give them to tank crews and the like as a gun they could use if they had to abandon the tank. I don't know what they're using them for now.
They work though, they're reliable, they don't weight too much and they have a slow controllable rate of full auto fire which makes them decent for suppressive fire.
Wish I owned one, I think they're really neat.
>the smile
Same when i got to shoot one. They're just fun
what was the obsession with making gun sights occlude so much of your peripheral vision?
It just figgin works, agr on a gun is just a number the M2 has been in use since 1918, if you can't fix it.. it isn't broke
holy shit!!!!
we are still using the greese gun??? hella frickin based
can we bring back the Iowa Class battlship again?
Somewhere designed to the sten mags
Some were Chinese copies that didn't do it correctly before they moved to Taiwan.
And some people just wanted it to fit just right.
It's not the most accurate, nor the most comfortable, nor has the best rate of fire, but it's sturdy enough to beat a man to death with and still spit bullets after.
>1933
m3sisters... how the FRICK do we reply to these m2chads?!?!
bro there's no comparison when it comes to the big man himself. A design that can endure long enough to even be compared to something of Brownings is more of a compliment than anything else
obligatory ‘if it ain’t broke, don’t fix it.’