I mean, when the opponents are as incompetent and corrupt and all around useless as the Saudi military you could give them the best gear and they'd still be blown away.
>Houthi rebels
It is disingenuous to say this when these 'rebels' are also include literally the entire INTACT Yemenis Armed Forces with the country's entire arsenal of modern-ish Western, Russian and Chinese equipment which became the 'rebels' overnight when the legitimate(*) government was declared to be illegitimate by the ~~*West*~~. The conflict is straight up a conventional war between Yemen and Saudi Arabia and both's supporters. Western Govs and Media just refuse to frame it as such because it freaks out investors and also doesn't fit the Narrative.
Yemenis Forces are completely capable of knocking out any Western Armor with their capabilities, which most likely include now American military aid that has been resold to Yemen and Iran. Just wait for the first leak of a Saudi Air Power or Armor asset knocked out by a Javelin or Stinger to hit the Intel community.
US Intel actually. And I have to explain all this to policy makers who don't understand the nature of the situation and why the Saudi's aren't able to simply steamroll Yemen with US supplied gear and advisors. The Arabs can't fight meme is fact. They can buy all the shit we'll sell them, doesn't mean they can use it to even half its potential because they are more concerned with petty politics instead of accomplishing any policy goal. Neither can the Iranians but they are pretty good at terrorism at least. Guarantee you one of the consequences of Ukraine is that IRGC, Hezbollah, etc will end up with gear we'd really REALLY not wish they had gotten. Just the fact that they end up with any at all means down the line everything has to be planned assuming they might actually use it, even if they are just going to sit on the asset forever because it is too valuable to otherwise use.
Okay so I'm reading into this because frankly I didn't care a lot about Yemen previously but I can't see how the Houtis aren't at least 80% the bad guys here, even if the Saudis are incompetent and malevolent m
1 year ago
Anonymous
I never said they weren't the bad guys. In a perfect world we would have just nuked the entire Middle East a long time ago (yes including Israel). All I am saying is the politicians and press label them the "Houthi rebels", which denotes sandal-clad rag heads with AKs. While half the rebels are just as such, the other half is the completely intact Yemen Regular Army. The story behind the conflict is way to complicated to explain here and who fricking cares anyways, frick all of them. But you should recognize what is what and just call them the fricking former Yemeni military, complete with modern military assets, including fricking TBMs (the legit stuff, not just shitty Iranian buzzbombs although they have plenty of those too). Which is why the Saudis got fricking curbstomped, they weren't facing citizen insurgents but a modern conventional military fighting in their homeland.
The point being that way you aren't so fricking surprised when we are going to start seeing our own export models getting torn apart by our own fricking weaponry very soon.
He's right tough. If you filter unnecessary /misc/ buzzwords his assessment is correct.
The civil war was initially orchestrated by Saudis for various geopolitical reasons and Iran could not resist opportunity to have some proxy war against their main regional opponent.
Half the time it isn’t no, and when pressed they will just move the goalposts. There is or was a thread up on pol right now of a destroyed truck that’s not actually a himars though claimed to be and another of an abrams in Ukraine that’s actually a video from 2021 where the same style of posting was used. Just spam the site all day for .02 rubles per post is all these people do.
the only one claiming brads are invulnerable are vatnigs, simply so they can be smug at pictures of damaged/wrecked brads saying how they're not so invulnerable after all.
everyone with even half a brain knows of the relatively low armor of a naked brad
>it's not invulnerable as claimed.
Keep fighting the good fight, Anon. Someday you'll prove to those voices in your head that you were right all along!
My hate would honestly be less if they were competent or actual fearsome. Instead what I see is >'We just destroyed this super modern western super weapon!'
with a mix of lies (it wasn't destroyed) and cargo cult (it's actually 40-50 year old equipment).
>the point was that it's not invulnerable as claimed.
Anon, it's an armored vehicle.
No armored vehicle is invulnerable.
Doesn't matter who produced it, if you hit it with a big enough explosive, it's toast.
The single-warhead RPG-7 also shouldn't penetrate if it hits ERA
1 year ago
Anonymous
That was included in the "not a tank or atgm" statement
1 year ago
Anonymous
>Never heard about PG-7R warhead for RPG-7, or Kitolov 122mm and Krasnopol 152mm artillery shells
The latter two have been the main killer of tanks, IFVs, APCs and fortifications of this war since they outrange the main gun and ATGM mounted on any ground vehicle except other artillery
1 year ago
Anonymous
It's PG-7VR, but those have a laughably short range. 100m is the expressed maximum effective range kind of short. It would be handy in city fighting but that's about it
1 year ago
Anonymous
>100m is the expressed maximum effective range kind of short.
that is far closer than I would ever like to be to an armored vehicle
1 year ago
Anonymous
Yeah well soviet doctrine is to have 5 guys with RPGs so maybe one can get close enough to get a shot off before the thermal equipped 25mm cannon rips them to shreds
1 year ago
Anonymous
>The latter two have been the main killer of tanks, IFVs, APCs and fortifications
you again
show any prove krasnopol is used in larger number
>They got all 50 of them already?
Actually, they got all 5,000 of them. 25 HATO generals were in each one. Absolutely devastating setback. No way to recover, so we're giving them Poland as a Gesture of Good Will.
My estimation of Ukraine intel services fricking plummeted when I found out they didn't kidnap and execute this worthless homemade FSB propagandist like the shills were saying.
Contrarian NPCs with no ideals or values beyond "current thing bad"
1 year ago
Anonymous
This, if the world decided to vote Republican they would choose to vote Democrat is to be brainlessly contrarian.
1 year ago
Anonymous
They aren’t even that. They’re effeminates acting like women b***hing at you to “do something!” When in reality they mean >”do what I want! Who cares if I’m/what I want is moronic!”
or worse, they effeminate 5th columnists who are doing the same thing but knowingly and purposefully to the detriment of all that is good in this world and to the “benefit” of their irrelevant subhuman shithole.
PolBlack folk became subverted by trump and literal Russian psyops circa 2016. Remember manafort? He was balls deep in supporting the old regime of pro Russian Ukrainians. Nowadays pol does whatever Russia or china says and opposes whatever democrats like
/misc/ today is full of boomers who don't want National Socialism, but rather, want muh yankee-doodle apple-pie conservatism and have no problem being ruled over by oligarchic israelites as long as free markets and israelite-on-a-stick worship are preserved.
Bradleys are going to wreck T-72s and T-62s in Ukraine. Some number of Bradleys will probably be lost. It's an IFV, not a tank, anyone pretending it's invincible is moronic.
>Bradleys are going to wreck T-72s and T-62s in Ukraine. Some number of Bradleys will probably be lost. It's an IFV, not a tank, anyone pretending it's invincible is moronic.
Some? Just about every anti tank missile in Ukraine will punch trough the armor.
>there is no 14.5mm APDS that was in service in the 80s
Precisely! But the world has changed. And worse, 30 mm APDS should go straight trough the turret front at ranges below 1000 meters. And any anti tank missile, at any range. Applique armor can help a bit with anti tank missiles, not by blocking penetration, but by reducing post penetration effects by siphoning away explosive gasses. And the Bradley is a perfectly average modern IFV, which means that this entire class of vehicle was and is obsolete upon introduction.
Black person the war is currently being fought mainly by BMP-1s and BMP-2s in the IFV category. The Bradley is a fricking spaceship in comparison. Stop playing War Thunder or at least shut the frick up if that is your only source of knowledge on the matter
https://i.imgur.com/ISi7ygF.jpg
No, yours (she does anal, btw).
Cool now compile the list for infantry. While you do it, maybe consider suicide
>And any anti tank missile, at any range.
Just a few weeks ago, a video showing an NLAW failing to punch through a thinner-armored BMP-2 just dropped. In reality, you need multiple to reliably take out any half-decent IFV, and in that time the Bradley can mog you with its bushmaster.
1 year ago
Anonymous
>failing to punch through a thinner-armored BMP-2
then plese tell me why it never moved after the hit
Why the frick would you ever aim at the launcher? If you're at the distance you can pick that out the frickin 242 is going to turn you into meat after it detonates. Just put the round in the hull and actually kill it. Also your entire advise is 'shoot it in the sides and rear' as if that isn't literally the standard for dealing with armor
And? It clearly drove over a anti tank mine ment to shread a MBT what did you expect to happen. What's next? >Oh no body armor bros! >Picture of a grunt cut in half via 35mm auto cannon
Maybe I should start making threads going with pictures of migs that got atomised by 2000lb JDAMs in their hangers in order to prove that they can be shot down
Ruskies already prepared trophy for first confirmed Bradley kill.
It's like big game hunting expedition in Africa only more ethical one where you don't hunt down lions and rhinos but Bradleys.
>Saudi
Big deal.
These Houthi rebels man, I remember they also shot down Saudi F-15s, F-16s, Mirage 2000s, and Tornados using Iranian supplied SAMs
Did they? I thought some of those got knocked out through general failure, I know a few got killed via SAMS tbf
What I tell ya, watch your wiener around these desert people
CAZZATA ZELENSKYY
I mean, when the opponents are as incompetent and corrupt and all around useless as the Saudi military you could give them the best gear and they'd still be blown away.
>Houthi rebels
It is disingenuous to say this when these 'rebels' are also include literally the entire INTACT Yemenis Armed Forces with the country's entire arsenal of modern-ish Western, Russian and Chinese equipment which became the 'rebels' overnight when the legitimate(*) government was declared to be illegitimate by the ~~*West*~~. The conflict is straight up a conventional war between Yemen and Saudi Arabia and both's supporters. Western Govs and Media just refuse to frame it as such because it freaks out investors and also doesn't fit the Narrative.
Yemenis Forces are completely capable of knocking out any Western Armor with their capabilities, which most likely include now American military aid that has been resold to Yemen and Iran. Just wait for the first leak of a Saudi Air Power or Armor asset knocked out by a Javelin or Stinger to hit the Intel community.
Iranian claws typed this post
US Intel actually. And I have to explain all this to policy makers who don't understand the nature of the situation and why the Saudi's aren't able to simply steamroll Yemen with US supplied gear and advisors. The Arabs can't fight meme is fact. They can buy all the shit we'll sell them, doesn't mean they can use it to even half its potential because they are more concerned with petty politics instead of accomplishing any policy goal. Neither can the Iranians but they are pretty good at terrorism at least. Guarantee you one of the consequences of Ukraine is that IRGC, Hezbollah, etc will end up with gear we'd really REALLY not wish they had gotten. Just the fact that they end up with any at all means down the line everything has to be planned assuming they might actually use it, even if they are just going to sit on the asset forever because it is too valuable to otherwise use.
Okay so I'm reading into this because frankly I didn't care a lot about Yemen previously but I can't see how the Houtis aren't at least 80% the bad guys here, even if the Saudis are incompetent and malevolent m
I never said they weren't the bad guys. In a perfect world we would have just nuked the entire Middle East a long time ago (yes including Israel). All I am saying is the politicians and press label them the "Houthi rebels", which denotes sandal-clad rag heads with AKs. While half the rebels are just as such, the other half is the completely intact Yemen Regular Army. The story behind the conflict is way to complicated to explain here and who fricking cares anyways, frick all of them. But you should recognize what is what and just call them the fricking former Yemeni military, complete with modern military assets, including fricking TBMs (the legit stuff, not just shitty Iranian buzzbombs although they have plenty of those too). Which is why the Saudis got fricking curbstomped, they weren't facing citizen insurgents but a modern conventional military fighting in their homeland.
The point being that way you aren't so fricking surprised when we are going to start seeing our own export models getting torn apart by our own fricking weaponry very soon.
>geopolitics is about good guys and bad guys
>my side
>good
>your side
>gay, bad and moronic
He's right tough. If you filter unnecessary /misc/ buzzwords his assessment is correct.
The civil war was initially orchestrated by Saudis for various geopolitical reasons and Iran could not resist opportunity to have some proxy war against their main regional opponent.
>if a piece of equipment is destroyed it must be bad!
reminder that there is only 1 superior tank design of all time
New Zealand Chads, I kneel.
>you will never touch the corrugated side armor of a Heavy Semple MBT
Why live?
>Why live?
Because three words: Bob. Semple. II.
>the answer is Semple. Bob Semple
>None were lost
Name a better record. You can't.
This has probably been discussed
Want to discuss it again?
Wait do that picture isn’t from Ukraine? Lmao
Nope. It's one of the raghead ones.
Half the time it isn’t no, and when pressed they will just move the goalposts. There is or was a thread up on pol right now of a destroyed truck that’s not actually a himars though claimed to be and another of an abrams in Ukraine that’s actually a video from 2021 where the same style of posting was used. Just spam the site all day for .02 rubles per post is all these people do.
the point was that it's not invulnerable as claimed.
Who the frick is claiming that a lightly armored IFV is invulnerable?
Except that we know since the Bradley was created what it's protection values are
Inital variants vs 14.5mm
A2 and later vs 30mm
the only one claiming brads are invulnerable are vatnigs, simply so they can be smug at pictures of damaged/wrecked brads saying how they're not so invulnerable after all.
everyone with even half a brain knows of the relatively low armor of a naked brad
It's amazing projection tbh. They think like this becuse turd worlders genuinely believe their T-90s and shit were invincible
Post a single (1) destroyed HIMARS
umm sorry sweaty but all of them have been destroyed so there's no more to post.
I don't think anyone on /k/ thinks it's invincible.
Are you maybe moronic?
>the point was that it's not invulnerable as claimed.
Nobody in the history of mankind has ever made such a claim.
Props for the straw man bait.
>it's not invulnerable as claimed.
Keep fighting the good fight, Anon. Someday you'll prove to those voices in your head that you were right all along!
The most common claim about the Bradley is that it's a horrific death trap, usually made by people who thought Pentagon Wars was a documentary
god i hate russians so fricking much, it's unreal
My hate would honestly be less if they were competent or actual fearsome. Instead what I see is
>'We just destroyed this super modern western super weapon!'
with a mix of lies (it wasn't destroyed) and cargo cult (it's actually 40-50 year old equipment).
>the point was that it's not invulnerable as claimed.
Anon, it's an armored vehicle.
No armored vehicle is invulnerable.
Doesn't matter who produced it, if you hit it with a big enough explosive, it's toast.
post iraqi tanks that met this very vulnerable system
Slit your effeminate subhuman wrists you slant eyed homosexual
NATO lives in every corner of your head.
(You)
By who? Your prostitute mother?
No, yours (she does anal, btw).
Dropped out of school already huh? Or were you kicked out?
Why did they use a 3d render of the RPG-7? It's not like it's hard to find a picture of one. It's the AKM of anti-tank weapons.
>antitank weapons can kill IFVs
ok
Only thing there can kill it reliably are the tanks and the atgm's though. The AT mines won't even kill reliably, but it'll track it at least
The single-warhead RPG-7 also shouldn't penetrate if it hits ERA
That was included in the "not a tank or atgm" statement
>Never heard about PG-7R warhead for RPG-7, or Kitolov 122mm and Krasnopol 152mm artillery shells
The latter two have been the main killer of tanks, IFVs, APCs and fortifications of this war since they outrange the main gun and ATGM mounted on any ground vehicle except other artillery
It's PG-7VR, but those have a laughably short range. 100m is the expressed maximum effective range kind of short. It would be handy in city fighting but that's about it
>100m is the expressed maximum effective range kind of short.
that is far closer than I would ever like to be to an armored vehicle
Yeah well soviet doctrine is to have 5 guys with RPGs so maybe one can get close enough to get a shot off before the thermal equipped 25mm cannon rips them to shreds
>The latter two have been the main killer of tanks, IFVs, APCs and fortifications
you again
show any prove krasnopol is used in larger number
>Anti-armour munitions frick up armoured vehicles
Who could've FRICKING predicted this?
ITS OVER FOR THE TANK
WW1BROS WE'RE FRICKING BACK
Can RPG-7 really knock out Bradley?
Let's post something that can kill T-90m
That pic makes me wonder if there is any ifv that can survive all of that?? Next gen ifv maybe?
Namer with Trophy
This picture does put up a good question: where the frick did all of Russia's RPGs go? You hardly see any being used by mobniks or even VDV.
These homies are goal post in front of my fricking eyes. Holy shit. How much is Gerasimov paying you for this?
32 years ago, in a desert far, far away ......
nice reddit repasta homosexual
Who the frick claims that Bradley is invulnerable? Are you moronic?
nah I'm good Agent Smith. Have a nice night!
>he tries to save face by using THAT defense
<in this context
>Henry krinkle
Id point out the fact that you cropped out the source but this is even worse than having no source
Dennis, get some sleep
Didn't know things were green in wintertime
Doesn't count, it's a monkey model without all the upgrade packages. Domestic versions are easily 3 to 5x more combat effective.
>They got all 50 of them already?
Actually, they got all 5,000 of them. 25 HATO generals were in each one. Absolutely devastating setback. No way to recover, so we're giving them Poland as a Gesture of Good Will.
Shit. Sorry. Obviously clicked on the wrong post to reply to this one
They got all 50 of them already? It's over NATObros. We should consider peace.
RIP Toyota Landcruiser
it's a Jeep!
My estimation of Ukraine intel services fricking plummeted when I found out they didn't kidnap and execute this worthless homemade FSB propagandist like the shills were saying.
to be fair, they got a lot of the other ones, they just decided that murdering lira wasn't worth it
>Actual rightwing death squads hunting down commie subversives
Wait, why doesn't /misc/ like these guys again?
They have been subverted years ago.
Contrarian NPCs with no ideals or values beyond "current thing bad"
This, if the world decided to vote Republican they would choose to vote Democrat is to be brainlessly contrarian.
They aren’t even that. They’re effeminates acting like women b***hing at you to “do something!” When in reality they mean
>”do what I want! Who cares if I’m/what I want is moronic!”
or worse, they effeminate 5th columnists who are doing the same thing but knowingly and purposefully to the detriment of all that is good in this world and to the “benefit” of their irrelevant subhuman shithole.
/misc/ isn't the same place or the same people it was in 2014 buddy, you should have gotten the memo months ago
israeli
PolBlack folk became subverted by trump and literal Russian psyops circa 2016. Remember manafort? He was balls deep in supporting the old regime of pro Russian Ukrainians. Nowadays pol does whatever Russia or china says and opposes whatever democrats like
Because reddit likes Ukraine.
/misc/ today is full of boomers who don't want National Socialism, but rather, want muh yankee-doodle apple-pie conservatism and have no problem being ruled over by oligarchic israelites as long as free markets and israelite-on-a-stick worship are preserved.
they probably just dismissed him as the mentally ill loser he is
I'm still hoping some Banderite saws his head off.
They pulled him in for investigation but found out no - he is not a kremlin shill. In fact he does it for free.
He does more harm to Russian side being alive than dead
Guess the SBU glows figured him for a special needs and let gonzo be
This -->>
>He does more harm to Russian side being alive than dead
Ukraine intelligence knows what they're doing in this case.
This guy does nothing more than argue with people with Pig avatars on youtube, he's not worth the bullet
Bradleys are going to wreck T-72s and T-62s in Ukraine. Some number of Bradleys will probably be lost. It's an IFV, not a tank, anyone pretending it's invincible is moronic.
Pajeets genuinely think their Arjun tanks are invincible kek
>Bradleys are going to wreck T-72s and T-62s in Ukraine. Some number of Bradleys will probably be lost. It's an IFV, not a tank, anyone pretending it's invincible is moronic.
Some? Just about every anti tank missile in Ukraine will punch trough the armor.
Someone should tell that to all the BMPs with even thinner armor and no thermals
How available do you think subcaliber APDS is in a force that struggles to supply food and 5.45?
Unsurprising, since even small arms penetrate their "armour".
>vulnerable to 14.5mm to the side.
This was not even true for the first variants
to 14.5mm to the side.
>This was not even true for the first variants
Resistant against full caliber 14.5 mm AP, not against subcaliber APDS.
there is no 14.5mm APDS that was in service in the 80s
>there is no 14.5mm APDS that was in service in the 80s
Precisely! But the world has changed. And worse, 30 mm APDS should go straight trough the turret front at ranges below 1000 meters. And any anti tank missile, at any range. Applique armor can help a bit with anti tank missiles, not by blocking penetration, but by reducing post penetration effects by siphoning away explosive gasses. And the Bradley is a perfectly average modern IFV, which means that this entire class of vehicle was and is obsolete upon introduction.
>30mm APDS
Pretty sure all the ammo i've seen on both sides has been 30mm AP
UBR8 APDS and UBR11 APFSDS are vapour like 90% of Russian stuff.
>X isn't invulnerable so it's obsolete
humans have been obsolete since the invention of the spear
Black person the war is currently being fought mainly by BMP-1s and BMP-2s in the IFV category. The Bradley is a fricking spaceship in comparison. Stop playing War Thunder or at least shut the frick up if that is your only source of knowledge on the matter
Cool now compile the list for infantry. While you do it, maybe consider suicide
>And any anti tank missile, at any range.
Just a few weeks ago, a video showing an NLAW failing to punch through a thinner-armored BMP-2 just dropped. In reality, you need multiple to reliably take out any half-decent IFV, and in that time the Bradley can mog you with its bushmaster.
>failing to punch through a thinner-armored BMP-2
then plese tell me why it never moved after the hit
Keep spreading this outdated infographic so it gets mobiks killed kek, please.
Why the frick would you ever aim at the launcher? If you're at the distance you can pick that out the frickin 242 is going to turn you into meat after it detonates. Just put the round in the hull and actually kill it. Also your entire advise is 'shoot it in the sides and rear' as if that isn't literally the standard for dealing with armor
I'd say they must be confusing the Bradley with the bmp, but that's already self evident with they want they never called it anything else
BMP just means IFV in slavrunes, it'll be really funny when Ukranians start calling Bradley "the best BMP"
Is this one of those "delete Sys32 folder" advice thing?
Classic. Excellent 20th anniversary Hall of Fame memes.
And? It clearly drove over a anti tank mine ment to shread a MBT what did you expect to happen. What's next?
>Oh no body armor bros!
>Picture of a grunt cut in half via 35mm auto cannon
Maybe I should start making threads going with pictures of migs that got atomised by 2000lb JDAMs in their hangers in order to prove that they can be shot down
SECOND TO NONE
https://streamable.com/66i2l2
bradley is such a gay name
It's know among adorant fans as the chadley
Why is this picture so weird? Something just isn't right.
It just means Russians are bad as Arabs at fighting wars.
Looks recoverable to me.
As a trophy
>Escape hatches open
Crew is safe, vehicle did its job
Ruskies already prepared trophy for first confirmed Bradley kill.
It's like big game hunting expedition in Africa only more ethical one where you don't hunt down lions and rhinos but Bradleys.
Another NATO wunderwaffen has mystique shatter.