This post has just btfo everyone on here... now take a knee.
>Objections are not welcome
Behold... The Carinthis XP 2 Plus Bivvy - The Ultimate Chad go to shelter
This post has just btfo everyone on here... now take a knee.
>Objections are not welcome
Carinthia*
You are a dumb Black person spammer. have a nice day.
cope & seethe
here's another pic from a different angle, just for you
What happens if there's heavy snow or rain, wouldnt this whole thing collect that on top of you? Genuinely curious as I was interested in bivvys for a while.
Even fits my entire pack in the hood part with room to spare. Still packs smaller than 99% of the tents out there.
>GORE-TEX® Gas Permeable Technology
Poorgays are seething
Holy shit shut the frick up
Did you get paid to shill this shit on here
they all have a boner for carinthia because its one of the only milsurp contractors that actually makes respectable gear actual backpackers might use.
infrared (IR) protection so the farmers can't spot you with their drones camping on their land at night. Used by special forces, made in Austria, pretty much indestructible and will last you a lifetime. Has a built in mosquito net for star gazing. How do people even cope without one of these bad boys? Guess I'll never know
Literally the Holy Grail of shelters
I wouldn't swap it out for anything else in existence
Alright I'll come clean, I got mine for £130 through the Facebook marketplace off of some SAS vet. I wouldn't have been able to afford it otherwise
It also adds 2-3*C of warmth to your sleep system if you have it fully zipped up
nice bodybag
I don't mean to brag, but whenever I see a shelter thread on here now I start to uncontrollably laugh ever since getting this bivvy. That's the only side-effect besides besides getting a 10/10 good nights sleep in one of these even during stormy weather
>600 usd
dafaq
Also:
>2.6lb
>can’t setup in the rain without getting your sleeping system wet
>no vestibule for cooking, storing things
>can’t sit up to read, check maps, jerk off, change clothes
>zero ventilation, massive condensation trap
>useless in warmer weather
This. Frick bivvys and swags.
Can't even sit up to have a drink of water, let alone literally anything else.
>useless in warmer weather
keeps 100% of the creepy bugs and out, regulates temperature and you can leave the hood with just a bug net open. Perfect shelter for backpacking around the middle east. What sandstorm? You can also fit all of your gear/bags inside so that no one can steal your shit when you're sleeping around in dodgy areas. Literally the comfiest set up
>2.6lb
Yeah and a trash bag is even lighter. This one surpasses the military grade demands and will last you forever. I don't care how light something is if it's only made to last you a couple of trips. You can get it down to 900grams if you leave out the poles. That will turn into into a Carinthia Combat bivvy which is a bit cheaper then this one
>it will last forever
Sorry newbie, but synthetic materials eventually delaminate, especially gortex.
>gortex is breathable
In a very limited number of environments, sure. Generally it’s a garbage marketing gimmick. You’re not immune to propaganda.
>look at this picture of it
Are you trying to show that it’s small, but can’t into dialogue because you’re a zoomer and that part of your brain has never developed? Well it’s a bivy, so I’d hope it was small. Looks about the same size as every single person non-freestanding tent out there.
Well obviously nothing lasts forever but it will still outlast you
This isn't any old Gore-Tex that's being used. It's like Polartec, they provide all sorts of materials under their brand name, each one of those materials has a different purpose. Same goes for Gore-Tex
This bivvy uses the GORE-TEX® Gas Permeable Technology which is a highly specialised mix of materials, only the high end premium mission purposed shelters includes it, hence the price tag. It's like listening to someone trying to explain how a VW Golf is just same as a BMW 7 Series car. I'm not saying that there's no moisture left behind on really humid days ever, but it performs much, much better than 99% of the stuff that's on the market right now. This bivvy bag easily tops any other of four Gore-tex bag that I've previously used. Keeps me dry and warm with minimal condensation
Here read this, the article even features the exact same Carinthia bivvy
>https://www.goretexprofessional.com/technologies/gore-tex/sleep-system-shelter
+ Made using a 3-layer Gore-Tex laminate
>non-waterproof shelter
LARP harder
To be fair, anything gore-tex related, doesn't matter if it gtx pro or what will require a fresh layer of DWR treatment after 3-5 years depending on how much you use it. So yeah GTX is a joke in that sense
I mean what's even the point of it being GTX, if it's actually the WDR treatment (spray) that keeps the water out. The only shit that won't soak up water is polyester and dyneema (which in itself is pretty much reinforced polyester)
>So yeah GTX is a joke in that sense
gore tex is a brand. they sell products like shakedry that don't use dwr at all.
that being said i don't think anybody makes a bivy out of a breathable non dwr material such as shakedry or outdry. i imagine the market would be tiny, the bivy would cost a couple thousand bucks, and it wouldn't be very durable.
you need a waterproof bivy to breathe. condensation is their biggest downside and all bivys on the market suffer from condensation issues just varying degrees of it. so dwr fabrics make sense.
cope
>can’t setup in the rain without getting your sleeping bag wet
Mien Black person, follow this simple 6 step program
1. Put sleeping bag in its own separate dry bag
2. Put bivy in own separate dry bag
3. Take out bivy and set up
4. Take out bag with sleeping bag in it and immediately transfer inside of the bivy
5. Unpack sleeping bag inside of the bivy
6. Reverse the process to pack up
>dry sleeping bag
Alternatively a tarp can be set up overhead, you should be carrying some sort of a tarp anyways.
i'll add, most of the regions bivy tents are really popular don't really have to deal with torrential downpours very often. sort of a non issue for most owners and users of them i see.
Yeah your sleeping bag is getting wet in step 4 or 5.
Yeah they're £700 but somehow a lot of them have sold out, my only guess is that the special forces are stocking up on them before going off to fight for Ukraine
Euros buy shit like this because they aren't stockpiling ammo.
That's Carinthias thing
They list their products to commercial, retail, and military buyers at the same time. They don't separate their products, you're all buying from the same warehouse
Retail customers get no discount, commercial buyers get some discount, military buyers get a substantial discount
You're saving for a bivvy and then the Austrian army bulk buys them all
Don't buy directly from Carinthia because of this markup. It's usually cheaper to include the middle man, because commercial discount + retail markup is usually cheaper than just buying from Carinthia.
IIRC they also have some clause in their contracts that any military surplus has to be destroyed
They're like the Ferrari of PrepHole
the german army surp bivvies are also by carinthia, made out of 3 layer goretex.
They can be found for less then 100€ but they lack the head compartment, so they are less comfortable.
Might want to grab a bottle of goretex impregnation spray, hard to know how well the grunts treated them.
>IIRC they also have some clause in their contracts that any military surplus has to be destroyed
that triggers me, some high end fashion brands like LV do that crap too
Lmao just stop being poor
great advice, thanks anon
you don't need some fancy jerkoff shit to PrepHole ignore these consoooooomers and just get a silpoly/silnylon tent it will last you a long time and do fine.
Everyone will hear u fapping; assert your dominance on the trail
That's why I sleep with layers of tin foil and cheap plastic tarp as a blanket. Maximum noise.
this Chad gets it
>zero ventilation, massive condensation trap
kek he doesn't even know that GORE-TEX® Gas Permeable Technology exists. How do poorgays even cope this days?
Lol dont address the dozen other issues that only fools would look over
Bearrito.
What an overpriced piece of shit. You can literally get a tent that weighs less, costs less and is comfier than this.
Also goretex is a marketing buzzword for morons who know nothing about it. Fact is, if the fabric is any way waterproof at all - it won't be "breathable" to any satisfactory degree, let alone "extremely breathable" as the website says. Literally ask anyone that goes outside, not some geargay marketer
Sounds like you're the one who don't know anything. Actually the price tag reflects the quality in this case. Carinthia is literally the best shit going. Used it during heavy rain, storms and high humidity. Kept me dry with little to no condensation. That's why Carinthia is the go to choice for special forces and professional explorers world wide, their life depends on it which is why the quality is second to none.
Carinthia also manufactures shelters/sleeping bags for the German army. It's like an expensive camera lens or a supercar in other words, sure your Walmart shetler still works but it's by no means a Ferrari. Had mine for close to two years now and I've got nothing but good things to say about it, hasn't let me down once.
Cope harder next time
>Used it during heavy rain, storms and high humidity. Kept me dry with little to no condensation.
>it defies the laws of physics!
The moisture exhaled in your breath had nowhere to go, especially when the relative humidity was over 90%. The inside of the bivy was warmer than the outside, so moisture condensed on the cool surface, and you got wet. Either that or you’re just making stuff up and fricking around.
>not waterproof in any way at all
>not breathable
Fact is, you're wrong. I actually own one. Watch some reviews on it or something +
Marketer, please tell me how I'm wrong. I want to watch you regurgitate the marketing terms and whatever your line manager told you to say. Actually, isn't it time to clock off yet?
kek, I bet you would also say that that my titanium canteen set is an overpriced piece of shit too
Not him, but honestly yeah lol
>poorgay spotted
>jealousy detected
>opinion rejected
>titanium canteen set haters decimated
next
here's a pic for reference
Are these durable and light? Ive been wanting one, but the price tag is moronic.
They're super light. BUT the lid is pretty loud when you undo it because it's metal on metal. That said, if you're out in freezing temperatures then the bottle won't crack + you can just boil the water straight from it. It's worth it for the weight and durability but other then that just stick with a Nalgene Oasis one. I love the canteen cup however (lid included - saves time boiling water). I just stick my Nalgene Oasis canteen into the titanium cup when I go backpacking/camping. I would say it's "sort of" worth it
Haven't used it during snow, only used it during heavy rainfall. Kept me dry (with a groundsheet - that's a must have) with little to no condensation. Really cozy and all. This guy did a review on a different Carinthia bivy (same materials and all), talks about condensation and what not, skip to: 6:55 in the video
But the reason they're so expensive is bc of the type of GTX materials they use like he says. Said that myself earlier but the majority of people on /out don't understand that Gore-Tex is just a brand name that produces all sorts of materials for all spectrums of activities. So Gore-Tex in itself varies heavily. No, a used US army Gore-TEx bivvy bag for $20 is not on the same level as someone thought previously nor are the British Army ones. All three are different in terms of materials even though they are all under the brand name of "Gore-Tex".
erhhh alright, will do tomorrow morning
I wanted one for ages myself, one day I just went ehh frick it and ordered it off Amazon. They look "light grey" in the photos but as soon as you get them out the box they turn into a dark gun metal grey colour. Looks much, much cooler then
+ It's literally one of the most breathable things out there. The lack of knowledge for "GORE-TEX® Gas Permeable Technology" in this thread really shows
I think I’ll stick to my Snugpak Ionosphere
Too expensive. Get the army surplus bivis for <$200
Its unusable on long tours on its own when you expect continuous damp or rain.
Its ok in the summer, if you can dry off your sleeping bag and the inside of the bivi every day or two.
Yeah I believe the German army Gore-Tex bivvy sack is made by Carinthia and also uses the same technology (GORE-TEX® Gas Permeable Technology)
>https://www.goretexprofessional.com/technologies/gore-tex/sleep-system-shelter
People can just get a used one for around £150, however you won't be able to fit your pack inside with you, it's a lot less roomy
Is that a Carinthia Observer bivvy by the way?
In addition to GORE-TEX® Gas Permeable Technology it it also uses GORE‑TEX PRO which is the absolute cream of the crop
>https://www.gore-tex.com/en_uk/technology/original-gore-tex-products/pro
Bruh - You can buy US military surplus ACU camo bivys for $71.99. It says GORE - TEX with the little tm trademark thing too.
Since the US Army switched out of ACU camo all of that stuff is cheap and plentiful.
Google US military bivy cover.. it's just $71.99
a lot of people think gore tex is a type of fabric but its actually not. gore tex is the name of a company that manufactures proprietary waterproof membrane technologies. there's currently 8 different types of gore tex they make for jackets alone, and they are very very different from each other. you can tell right away if you compare them to each other. some of these membranes are cheap and some are expensive.
here's a list of all of them: https://www.gore-tex.com/technologies/outerwear
its also the same case with vibram if you don't know. i see it commonly said in boot threads to "get boots with vibram soles" and anons with work boots thinking they're good for hiking in them because they have a vibram branded sole. there's actually like 30+ different kinds of vibram soles on the market and only a few of them are particularly good for PrepHole. for example a boot/shoe with vibram megagrip soles will noticably kick the shit out of a pair of boots with vibram durastep soles.
these are the names of brands not the names of materials.
breathability otherwise you'd just wear a jacket made out of ziploc bag material.
which actually isn't necessarily bad. frog toggs are some of the highest end rain gear on the market ($20 and sold at wal mart btw) and they're basically just rubber with a thin lining of polypropylene fuzz like a lab coat.
>frog toggs are some of the highest end rain gear on the market
ultrakeks are fricking moronic lmao
worm for brains consoomer
they are. they're better than anything that uses dwr unless you're off trail by default, which means they mog almost everything on the market. the only rain gear outright better than frog toggs is outdry.
>worm for brains consoomer
sounds like you're coping you spend hundreds of dollars on a jacket worse than $20 frog toggs. i have a whole pile of them collecting dust in the closet too.
have you ever used the new frog toggs or only the old ass clammy ones? pls don't tell me you're a poorgay posting opinions about gear you haven't used.
https://www.halfwayanywhere.com/trails/pacific-crest-trail/pct-hiker-survey-2021/
Most Common PCT Shells
Outdoor Research Helium II (Men’s/Women’s)
Frogg Toggs Ultra-Lite 2
Montbell Versalite (Men’s/Women’s)
Marmot PreCip (Men’s/Women’s)
Arc’teryx Beta SL Hybrid (Men’s/Women’s)
REI Essential Rain Jacket (Men’s/Women’s)
Patagonia Torrentshell 3L (Men’s/Women’s)
Lightheart Gear Rain Jacket
Zpacks Vertice (Men’s/Women’s)
Enlightened Equipment Visp (Men’s/Women’s)
ultra light 2 is the only jacket on this list i'd want to have during the washington section. i have a helium, precip, sold a torrentshell, sold some arcteryx shell. about half that list.
Why would you sleep in a fricking bodybag when you can get yourself superlight comfortable tent?
He won’t do either.
Why is 1/3 of a tent that expensive ?.
I'd never ever be able to sleep in one since i am claustrophobic
Because there’s a moron born every minute.
>buy mega expensive shit gear
>take it on a two mile hike
>don’t die
>also don’t know any better
>put it in a closet for the next 8 months
>”guise it’s the best thing ever!”
Pretty typical, really.
Can you post a picture of yours with a timestamp?
Float hammock
I had one of these. Service washed it so hard that I had to sell it on facebook marketplace to some idiot who didn't know some things are better off new. I use a tarp now because my sleeping bag isn't shit.
>idiot who didn't know some things are better off new.
yup shelters are a thing i would never buy used without knowing and trusting its history. anything that's been used a lot of nights in the desert is going to have its hydrostatic head degrade fast from sand abrasion. an older tent that hasn't been used in the desert is probably fine, but how often can you trust the seller like that, presuming you don't live in a region with no deserts around?
backpacks, high end sleeping bags, sleeping pads, everything else in the "big 4"? i'll send hundreds of dollars to some random paypal account off reddit with a 1 sentence description and i've never been burned.
Practically speaking it helps to ask for a history of use and get the full story. Most people who sell really good stuff often can't do it anymore, due to time or priorities or maybe they have multiple. Anything like that is great. But really that's just my semantic shit. Just be sensible about getting good pictures and don't be afraid to say no. Sometimes the best deal is the one you feel best about.=
uhhhhoohhh... couldn't have been me...right?
ah shet checked, trips confirm it was actually me
sleeping bags over like $500 i'll only buy from people who list how it was washed dried and cared for in their post without asking tho. if i gotta ask i probably don't want to buy from that person.
How do you fit your dog inside with you? Looks pretty small to me.
>muh goretex
every goretex bivvy for sale on the internet has a gorillian reviews pointing out they still fricking suck for condensation.
every but Carinthia, this aint your normie shit, read the carinthia ones
Are there any quality bivvy's out there made for warm climates? Most bivvy's look like sauna's in anything over 10 celsius