>Australia, the US and Ukraine are discussing sending 41 Royal Australian Air Force F/A-18 Hornets to Kyiv helping fulfil part of President Volodymyr Zelensky’srequest for fighter jets,rather than sending them to the scrapheap as planned.
>The retired F/A-18s are sitting in a hangar at the Williamtown RAAF base outside Newcastle and unless sent to Ukraine, will either be scrapped or sold to a private sector aviation company, RAVN Aerospace, to use in the US as “enemies” for military aviators to train against
>Robert Potter, an Australian security expert advising the Ukrainian government, confirmed negotiations were underway, but a specific deal is yet to be finalised.
>“However, the United States and Ukraine have an active and specific interest in the acquisition of fourth generation fighters for the Ukrainian Air Force,” he said.
https://www.afr.com/politics/federal/retired-raaf-fighter-jets-could-be-sent-to-ukraine-20230605-p5de0h
I'm disappointed that these aren't killing chinese but I guess the orcs are the next best thing.
Why did (do?) the Aussies have carrier aircraft if they have no carriers?
Because frick you, that's why
because Aussieland wanted a long range multi-role fighter and the hornets have a much longer range then F-16s
homosexual
Holy shit
I am amazed at your stupidity
F/A-18 has a much wider combat range.
Aussies have the Super Hornet version, right?
Yes we got them as a stop gap between F-18 retiring and F-35 being delivered.
They were in place of the F-111, not the F/A-18As, and then we decided to keep them anyway.
Arabs weren't going to bomb themselves anon
Because the F/A-18 had BVR capability a couple of years before the F-16, if the F-16 could have carried the Sparrow in 1982 the RAAF probably would have bought it instead.
Hornet had two engines, Australia had lost quite a lot of Mirage IIIs and wanted redundancy. Hornet had BVR at a time when F-16 did not.
The F/A-18 has longer range and better anti-ship capabilities than the F-16, but is cheaper and can operate from dusty/dirty environments better than the F-15.
For the same reason our F-111's had tail hooks and were fully nuke capable.
You just never know.
?t=26
The pacific is full of dinky little unsinkable islands with short runways.
Why do the Finns? Or the Swiss? Or Kuwait?
F/a-18 was adopted as a land based fighter by;
Australia
Canada
Finland
Kuwait
Malaysia
Spain
Switzerland
they cheaped out and went with F-18s instead of F-15s. Same reason anyone got the F-18 who isn't a carrier operator.
>cheaped out
Our procurements have always been lowball to try to prevent an arms race with Indonesia. Arms races are bad for everyone.
F 16s are like go carts with shorter range and better fighters but f 18 has better range better overall platform if by itself. The f 16 is something you need to have other things with generally. F 18s can do souch so well it can make up a fighter and bomber sections
>no carriers
Their LHDs have ramps. Why would you buy an LHD and keep the ramp if you never intended to use it?
Because it was cheaper and required less work to get it into service faster.
The ramp is structural, we can't take it off. Blame the Spaniards who designed the thing.
>Why would you buy an LHD and keep the ramp if you never intended to use it?
Because their only used for humanitarian and disaster relief they're useless in a war
>he doesn't know about HMAS Warrawong
Crikey
they have two light carriers that could operate f-35b's, if they decided to acquire them.
aussies are actually moronic
I think all the sun fries their brains
Several countries fly the F/A18 (or used to) because it was th3 better multirole attack fighter evailable back in the days before the f16 got upgraded. Also interoperability with the USN was a big factor for the Aussies, I'm sure. Aus is a strategic regional partner for the south Pacific.
Potter, an Australian security expert advising the Ukrainian government, confirmed negotiations were underway, but a specific deal is yet to be finalised.
Rumour is that this gets announced at next NATO meeting in July. It will also include 40 hawkei and a few other things. Rumour has it Australia not providing Abrams.
Ukraine has been lobbying for these for months, including with billboards on major highways in Canberra. Frick knows why they want them (the anti-AA) version, but here we are. I understand why they want the bushmaster but the hawkei is dogshit and I have no doubt some slav will pull it a part and sell plans to chinks. I'm not surprised about the Abrams though. I think army would be fricking super salty since they just got their IFV program cut.
Black person I'm ukie and I can tell you chinks are next on the chopping block after vatniks. WE ARE GOING TO SLAUTHER THEM
>why
Highly mobile AA is useful for the same reasons highly mobile arty is useful. Shoot and scoot, don't get hit by retaliatory / follow-on fires. Also potentially TEMPO related purposes.
Is there even such a variant though? I know they've been talking about slapping some NSM on these but I've never seen anything concrete?
I remember reading something recently that they are but I can't find the source atm
Yes, it's not developed yet though. Will have a 4-rail launcher for NASAMs (like this humvee concept). The HX 8x8 truck will carry the 6-round launcher.
This is a fricking stupid idea
Barebacking your mom is a stupid idea, but your dad did it
Kinda, but not really. It allows for lower footprint SRGBAD.
There will be a radar Hawkei but I don't think there will be a fire-control Haekei (the FC module is too big).
or onto the Hawkei
NSM has dogshit range, and then, say you deploy these in remote areas how do you resupply them after they've pooted out their two piss weak and low range NSM. This is coastal defence shit at best.
We've been talking about NASAMS (National Advanced Surface to Air Missile System), which fires anti-air AMRAAM and AIM 9-X.
NSM (Naval Strike Missile) is anti-ship.
Yes I didn't read due to being moronic.
All good. It sucks that it takes so long for Australia to get military hardware into service
The old Abrams have to be returned to the US as part of the deal for new ones, we don't really own them.
No moron they are being upgraded. We absolutely own them.
>No moron they are being upgraded.
No, the US is pulling old hulls from storage and the current ones are being returned.
>https://adbr.com.au/new-m1a2-tanks-and-engineering-vehicles-for-australian-army-confirmed/
My speculation.
They want to jury rig them for EW. Why? Because the French have drawn conclusion that a light vehicle with compute and a gorrillion kW of spare electricity generation could do EW but haven't worked out how to steal the IP through Thales because 5 Eyes can into defensive opec and are in extreme seethe and mald mode about it. Hawkei going to Ukraine gives an opportunity to try to get the info another way, perhaps in return for other materiel.
Alternative speculation. The French want it deployed to Ukraine so they can get a third party to say "It's really good." to insure against Thales getting butt fricked in court for damages by the Commonwealth for fricking up Hawkei.
>Alternative speculation. The French want it deployed to Ukraine so they can get a third party to say "It's really good." to insure against Thales getting butt fricked in court for damages by the Commonwealth for fricking up Hawkei.
Thales Australia is an Australian business, it's an Australian design and we fricked it. As much as I'd like to blame the French the frickup known as hawkei was our fault.
I don't doubt the EW shit. It's clearly not wanted for the role they want since the variant doesn't exist. There's frickery for sure.
>Thales Australia is an Australian business, it's an Australian design and we fricked it. As much as I'd like to blame the French the frickup known as hawkei was our fault.
Thales Australia is a French owned Australian business. The French own the profit/loss. Australia owns stuff indigenously developed by it. If Thales Australia gets bent over and fricked for damages it hurts the bottom line of big daddy Thales France, and the frogs are pissed over their submarine grifting bluff getting called.
>They want to jury rig them for EW
How do you do that though? I mean without massive R&D?
>build an antenna
>pass so much power into it that it glows in every band, including visible
>no one can hear transmissions on any frequency
>jammerman.jpg
People think EW is an inscrutably complex black art, and EW practitioners are happy to let them do that. In reality it's just like anything else: It has varying levels of complexity that depend on what you want to do, from moronicly simple all the way to arcane black arts.
>I think army would be fricking super salty since they just got their IFV program cut.
They're getting new tanks, HIMARS, NASAMS, black hawks, Independent Littoral Manoeuvre Vessel all they actually lost was the artillery
>all they actually lost was the artillery
They lost nearly all of their biggest and most important project. IFV being gutted restructures the entire Army in extremely degenerate and deatructive ways. It means the digital backbone of everything else is gone, it means the infantry units and brigades are no longer like, it means there's no strategic depth in the Army at all.
It was a gigantic frick you, you will never be a functional military service even though you're the only one we ever actually deploy to fight, to the Army
t. Butthurt Army homosexual.
You live on an island, Navy and Airforce are infinitely more important than a bunch of IFVs that you can't move anywhere. Inb4 muh close with and destroy inb4 take and hold ground.
Army's secondary primary project is all new and expanded numbers of littoral maneuver vessels
>New IFVs (Lynx/Redback)
>New LMVs (Light, Medium and Heavy versions)
>New SPGs (K9 Thunder aka AS9 Huntsman)
>New LRPF (HIMARS)
>New SRGBAD (NASAMS Mk2)
>New LBASMS (NSM mounted on as yet undecided platform)
>New CRV (Boxer - manufacturing started)
Not a bad update for Army by any means.
>All they lost were SPH
Yes and hundreds of IFV. What a tosser.
Yeah, but by the time number 129 rolls off the production line (which hasn't been built yet) of the winner (which hasn't been decided yet), it could be 2035.
There is a lot of time to decide to order more.
>There is a lot of time to decide to order more
Not many anons seem to grasp this. Bushmasters went through this. original order was 370 then reduced to 299 then increased to 400 now there is 1000 of them
Only because Canberra keeps buying more to support jobs st ADI Bendigo.
ADF doesnt want or need any more Bushmasters, but its a marginal independant electorate, so they cant sack any workers.
And Hawkies are a failed shit design.
ADF doesnt want them, it will be a drag on Ukies if they get them, but Thales is pushing them with the advertising campaign to justify their frickup.
Same with the fake GCI Hawkei-Nasams.
Its more PR bullshit to push Nasams by pretending it will prop up more Hawkei building for those jobz.
Can we please all take a moment to appreciate just how perfectly the colors on the right vehicle fit the background?
>the straw color
>grass color
>dark distant foliage color
God it's perfect
enjoy
Do Aussies really have kangaroo's on their aircraft?
Yes and for 100 years. It's our no bullshit national emblem (that we also grill occasionally). Kangaroo meat is alright though. I mean in steak form it's ok. The tasty part is knowing some c**t killed it. Fricking kangaroos are c**ts.
You gotta season the shit out of it, and basically charcoal the bastard with some butter and garlic. Apply chicken salt if you're a chad.
>chicken salt on meat
Absolute degenerate
Jokes on you homosexual because it's delicious
Kangaroo is mad tasty, but goddamn does it fricking stink when you cook it.
kanga bangas frick hard
>kanga bangas
God I wish I was Australian.
They're not bad I'll tell you
I would be all over those.
Check out what every German supermarket has. Made from beef and lamb, with garlic and a a bit spicy.
A cultural present from our Turkish population, but a welcome one.
Merguez are from North Africa though
I stand corrected then.
Do yourself a favor a go to your local turkish/arab supermarket with a butcher and buy some better ones, Michel.
>The tasty part is knowing some c**t killed it
As opposed to?
I wonder how many ex-USN, RAAF, RCAF, etc. pilots and ground crew the Ukies could recruit to get these going quickly? I'm sure there are a bunch of retired servicepeople in Western militaries that'd love to finally put their training to test.
How are they going to pain these b***hes?
Here's the blank template.
i want some flame decals on mine
how can the pilot see if the wienerpit glass is painted blue?
I'd assume something like this.
I just want a kangaroo on the jet somewhere
>ROO'D
>Using taxpayer money to kill more russians instead of scrapping costs
Nah this little coconut has dragged his feet on Ukraine aid. The first two tranches of aid came from Morrison. The fact that his going to wait until July so he can get a phtotop at some NATO shit while announcing these tells you everything. Let's also not forget this is being provided because Ukraine and US lobbied him.
If he gave a frick about Ukraine then Ukraine would already have them plus the Hawkes plus more bushmasters etc,
You little partisan c**ts make me sick.
You gotta boil the frog slowly, anon. Haven't you noticed every country has been slow to escalate aid? You don't wanna spook a nuclear power, so you just ease it in until you're balls deep and they don't even realise.
>The retired F/A-18s are sitting in a hangar at the Williamtown RAAF base outside Newcastle and unless sent to Ukraine, will either be scrapped or sold to a private sector aviation company, RAVN Aerospace, to use in the US as “enemies” for military aviators to train against
Giving them to Ukraine is the only logical solution and anything else would be either moronic or malicious. I hope this goes through. Blessed Aussies
Ha! I knew it. The F-18 is the perfect candidate for Ukraine for the very same reasons the Finns chose F-18 over Gripen. F-18 > F-16. The only thing that can beat an F-18 is a F-18 with two F-16 engines.
Then Finns should also contribute their Hornets they're replacing with F-35. And Canadians. Spanish too.
Short and rough runway ability is a big advantage. They're just more rugged too.
>F-18 with two F-16 engines
So an F-15? Makes sense.
F-18 still has a bigger, more powerful radar. Depends on the upgrades if you're comparing, but F-18 just has more space for a better radar.
>Sea F-18
>CF-18
Those bastards really thought they were slick, huh
Not how you Carlospost. Please stop.
>Then Finns should also contribute their Hornets they're replacing with F-35.
Sure but not a day before the replacements actually arrive. You're not going to sell your car the moment you go to a dealership and buy a brand new one that takes a while to get to you.
The super hornet is ugly. There I said it. It's ugly as frick. It's like the F-15 had a moronic child and this was the result.
Why don't we skip the foreplay and just send the Hohols F35s
Because people want to keep the stuff they'd actually use come a conflict. It's not usually wise to just dump everything you would use to fight off an enemy when the threat to you isn't the person you're supporting a proxy war against.
china still exist and could invade taiwan tomorrow.
>Giving to Ukraine instead of Malaysia which is actually in Australia's region
SIR
PLEASE REDEEM THE HORNET
>giving a frick about Malaysia
They have good food. Not sure what food Ukraine has.
I doubt this will happen. Too many issues with Hornet maintenance, the F-16 ages much better. Doubtful source too
The issues with Hornet maintenance is probably more related to the fact that the primary operator, operates them in the worst conditions by necessity. (Constantly exposed to sea water, rough landings on a carrier deck etc).
Anecdotally I've heard private training companies prefer the Australian hornet's because they're generally in better condition thanks to being land based as opposed to carrier based.
Rust is only a small part. The air frame of the Hornet is really beat up due to the design of the landing gear, and an issue which was discovered back in the 80s with the planing link. That’s why the Super Hornet was designed after the vintage Hornet had been in service for like 5-7 years.
These 40 planes will become spare parts, it’s a waste of resources and time to bring in another western plane now that UA is starting to adopt the F-16. They need every crew they have
>The air frame of the Hornet is really beat up due to the design of the landing gear, and an issue which was discovered back in the 80s with the planing link.
The centre-barrels got replaced back in 2010. The airframes are in decent shape with a pretty decent chunk of hours left on them.
>Doubtful source too
They're one of the two most popular newspapers for leaks from the party that is currently in power, and that journalist is well connected to ministers in government.
They don't need to last for a decade, just long enough to drive Ivan out of Crimea.
Ukraine is gonna end up with a late cold war Ace Combat airforce at this rate
Video game when?!
give us all your jets, goy!
for the counteroffensive, right?
...what counteroffensive?
So I've read the Aussie hornets have the AN/APG-73 installed, how do they stack up to the APG-66(V)2's in the F-16A MLU?
why not sell them at market price to Ukraine?
Because killing Russians is so funny that we'll Do It For Free
We're taking payment in blood.
Because we're not fricking war profiteers, we actually value democracy, and the Russians have well pissed us off with
Why the frick would the US be involved in those discussions? They literally can't NOT be involved in everything.
Why would the person who writes all the cheques not have a say?
>buy jet
>person who sold it to you demands a say with what you do with it
What a bunch of pussy-whipped homosexuals . The US doesn't sign checks for aussie F18s. What are you on about?
The US signs cheques for the Ukraine for other things. The US doesn't need to sign the cheque fod F18 to be able to effectively veto F18.
>I have no idea what the terms of a contract mean.
(You) blithering shitwit. There are Terms of Service that govern tech transfer, and who is allowed to have it and who is not. There are grave consequences for violating contacts regarding sensitive military tech. Being allowed to purchase a system is predicated upon liability for allowing someone else to access it.
Fortunately, in the case of the U.S., if you are stupid enough to violate government contracts for transfer of sensitive tech, the U. Fricking S. of A. *WILL* rape the frick out of your ass for violations.
Go ahead and try it. homosexual.
Yeah for me and all of the F18s I own. You sound like a boot-licker. You could just re-neg the terms and go "frick you USA" like they try to do to everyone constantly. I suppose you also think China is entitled to Panda offspring if they are loaned to another country too, don't you?
>Yeah for me and all of the F18s I own. You sound like a boot-licker. You could just re-neg the terms and go "frick you USA" like they try to do to everyone constantly. I suppose you also think China is entitled to Panda offspring if they are loaned to another country too, don't you?
Good luck buying F-35s and submarines from them, now, dickhead. Anon, literally every military contract in the world is predicated on the basis of an "End User Certificate" that lays out exactly what you can and can't do with the thing after you're finished using it - that's why a number of Euro countries couldn't ship German-made artillery to Ukraine early in this war because Germany was being gays about it and they held the final say. It's the same reason the F-111s that didn't end up on Paddlepop sticks outside bases ended up cut up with machinery and buried.
I don't think you understand how Australia works when it comes to security.
>Buy our subs
Yes daddy
>Buy our tanks
Yes daddy
>Support the wars we support
Yes daddy
I guess the benefit is that the US will protect us, but it's pretty pathetic. You'd think our nation would actually become something given the natural resources and space we have instead of a housing market with a flag.
>Buy our subs
>Yes daddy
More like:
Give us nuke subs, also, we will build them
>Buy our tanks
>Yes daddy
More like:
We didn't like the Leopards, so we got Abrams, now give us new M1A2s
>Support the wars we support
>Yes daddy
Of course! Happy to! Ongoing war and combat experience for us to maintain our skills and maintain our best defence strategy: be best buddies with the US of A
T.
I mean not wrong. I think there's a bit of both in there. We definitely do get pressured into doing/buying things by the US, but it's not always a bad thing.
Yeah fair, not always a bad thing
US might be buying Australian made drones before too long.
https://www.boeing.com/features/innovation-quarterly/2021/11/boeings-loyal-wingman.page
You mean the US will buy the same drone designed by a US defense contractor build on Australian soil, which will be built on American soil if the US buys them?
>not understanding how weapons transfers work
Pls keys
Why do you pathetic c**ts do nothing but whinge? At least say whose submarines, or tanks we should get instead of b***hing about america
I'm not b***hing, I'm just saying that's how it is. I'd much rather be the US's b***h than any other country. As for what else we should get, there's plenty of options. We had Leopards, no reason we couldn't have gone Leopard 2s, although Abrams might be better in our climate. For the subs, I dunno anything about subs, but I know we originally had a deal for cheaper French subs that we cancelled.
>know we originally had a deal for cheaper French
Inferior products are often cheaper.
>I dunno anything about subs, but I know we originally had a deal for cheaper French subs that we cancelled.
Labor voting homosexual detected
>Labor voting homosexual detected
Who else would you vote for? Voting Libs/Nats is voting against your own best interests unless you're in the Libs and Nats or one of their donor corporations. Greens are useless and unless you're in Kater's electorate, then independents are usually shit.
I drew a dick with a cowboy hat on the ballot, have done this for a decade now because I'm not a simping little homosexual who votes for parties that don't represent me.
>Gubment bad
>I will do nothing to improve it
Yeah mad. Thanks for letting me know you're not old enough to have been voting for 10 years. When you start paying your own bills or rent instead of living with mum, your attitude will change.
bad
>Not old enough
Boring response. I'm not even a millennial. I was wiping loads off your mum's back from before you were born. Please try again and don't do the predicable thing and mention education.
Hint: if you studied at UNSW you may have been my student, although I strongly doubt you made it through my class.
Sure thing, kid. What did you teach?
>being a parasite on society for decades
> bragging about it
Comparing you to a Black person woud be an insult to Black folk everywhere.
That's the low IQ retort I expected. Listen if you read political philosophy for a few years then study some economics I'm happy for you to come back to discuss the merits of donkey voting, until then, sit down and shut the frick up.
Holy shit, how big is your fedora?
I've done both. You're a fricking fool. I also have little in common with Labor, Liberals, or Greens but implying there's no point making a choice between them is fricking moronic. Reading political philosophy is not enough to make you informed. In fact, reading political philosophy does NOTHING to make you informed. Same with economics, to an extent. What you actually need to read are legal journals and high quality analytical reporting. Understanding the ins and outs of Keynesian economics or modern monetary theory is worth far less than knowing who's doing the pork-barrelling and how much.
The Liberal government towards the end was historically bad at governing. Not just "implementing policies I don't like" but actually bad at doing the core, bipartisan business of government like building hospitals in the right suburbs. Three separate inquiries have expressed utter disgust at the pork-barrelling that the Liberals did. It was really, really bad.
You will now say that all politicians are corrupt and it's all the same. That's wrong. It's never perfect and rarely even good, but corruption in politics is not some flat line stretching back and forward into eternity. It can get better and worse and in large part whether or not it does depends literally on the people involved, and so elections and voters can, and do, make a difference. For example, the primary push for reforms to pork-barrelling are coming from the new independent MPs on the crossbench (because they don't have the power to pork-barrel and they're the ones whose electorates get robbed, so they have nothing to gain from the system). That's something that voters made happen, and we might get reforms out of it. The corruption commission that was set up was, again, something that voters made happen, and it will pay dividends for years, maybe even decades, before it inevitably falls over and has to be remade.
You're a fricking moron and deserve a mercy-killing.
Exactly. People who donkey vote are the dumbest and laziest of all.
All they do is serve to reduce single party seats like Labor or Greens, which allows the Liberals and Nationals to combine their votes to form majority. Happens every time.
As the Greens continue to grow (hopefully not), they will further erode Labor's seat count and allow the Liberal and National Coalition to form a majority.
Stupid dumb people who donkey vote, cucking the slightly less stupid people who vote Labor/Green out of the Venezuelan Socialist Circus du Albo.
>Venezuelan Socialist Circus du Albo
Jesus, how deep down the Skynews hole have you gone? This is what actual brainwashing looks like.
>This is what actual brainwashing looks like
>Albo is just good ok?!? If you disagree you must be reading the bad-wrong newspaper
I could ask you the same thing. The last government was doing jack shit about climate change so the voters threw them out. Now we've got a new government that's triggered an inflation crisis, and continued to do jack shit about climate change, but the Fairfax/ABC/channel 10 clique is working overtime to tell me about "how that's actually a good thing".
>triggered an inflation crisis
more like inherited a global inflation crisis
>continued to do jack shit about climate change
well, except for the literal dozens of policies they've announced and already started implementing and allocating tens of billions of dollars to
>Nao uar stuooopid!
>Its just a conspiracy by the media to make based Albo look bad
>Massively increasing immigration while the economy slows and there's a housing shortage is actually something that's global and not under the federal governments control
Ok Gentlemen.
Also, ahem, tactical implications of lefties seething about informal votes?
Nothing you replied to was incorrect, nice deflection though
>/k/ - Socialist Meltdowns
Can you take it to /misc/ please?
Those numbers are bullshit, besides all the other capacities that the F18 has including better hardware compatibility (when it was acquired), shorter runway requirements so it could be based in a hypothetical island hopping conflict and a better radar.
>Now we've got a new government that's triggered an inflation crisis, and continued to do jack shit about climate change
Didn't you say you were a professor at UNSW? How are you this fricking moronic. You know problems don't just magically go away when the government changes, right? It takes more than a year to fix a previous administration's mistakes when they've been in for as long as they had.
>but the Fairfax/ABC/channel 10 clique is working overtime to tell me about "how that's actually a good thing
This is just factually incorrect. Murdoch and faairfax still have a hard on for the Libs despite the people showing they overwhelmingly are done with them.
Your literally talking to a different anon
>I drew a dick with a cowboy hat on the ballot
Nice one. All you did was help the Liberals, Greens and Nationals.
>Thinks a donkey vote in a safe seat supports the liberals.
You really are fricking stupid.
I voted for the Libs and Nationals.
Nice one. All you did was help the Liberals and Nationals.
Sure did. My local member is a champ.
>we originally had a deal for cheaper French subs that we cancelled
Well, c**tson, yuo are now of becoming a manc**t.
You musty choose: shitty frog filthy diesel noisy sub that must surface every day?
Or, become a fricking nuclear power with Uncle Sam and your Own Royal Crown holding your hand and teaching you how to do nuke shit that can dive for 200 undetectable days at a time if needed?
Will yuo remain a c**t, son? Or will you man up and grow a fricking pair?
Besides, the frogs jerked you raw for almost 12 fricking years without even delivering a fricking design while demanding payment for doing nothing but smoking ciggies and dipping baguettes in espresso. The U.S. and the UK are helping you c**ts build an entire nuclear-capable shipyard with all the fat trimmings and an extra thick spread of vegemite that basically amounts to a Naval Academy of Nuclear Engineering.
But, y'know, go right ahead and beg France to deliver one diesel sub before 2065.
Blessed post.
The thought of Australia getting a Virginia Cass submarine fills me with joy.
you're gonna be filled with joy for many decades then anon because that's how long it's gonna remain a thought.
the timelines are bullshit, 100%.
Silly Pierre, seething won't bring back your submarine contract.
I have serous doubts about the claims in this article. While Australia's order of 72 F35A's is progressing towards the end, and the EA/18 Growlers suit the fighter needs of the RAAF, I wonder if they will decide to keep any FA/18 as attrition stock for WW3.
Perhaps the slack could be picked up by a new version of Ghost Bat, one that can actually carry missiles.
>I wonder if they will decide to keep any FA/18 as attrition stock for WW3.
not a chance. even if we could afford to store them it's not like we could restore them to operational capability all by ourselves.
I mean let's he honest Ukraine will have f 35s by 2030.
>I mean let's he honest Ukraine will have f 35s by 2030.
Probably. They'll need them to defend Vladivostok from the Chinese.
Australian planes are raining down hell in Ukraine.
let me guess,
the hohols are magically trained in 2 months
and for some reason the Ozzy airforce will be out of half their pilots when Putin shoots them all down in 3
The australian pilots won't be flying for Russia or in civilian air liners, so why would Russians shoot them down?
Lel, you russBlack folk can't even destroy ukraine's own airforce after an entire year. You can't even stop them from lobbing storm shadows at you.
BLIMEY, Kylie Minogue
https://www.afr.com/politics/federal/retired-raaf-fighter-jets-could-be-sent-to-ukraine-20230605-p5de0h