It’s funny how both sides are saying the whole point in fighting for bakhmut is because it’s mowing down the other side. We’ll find out who’s being truthful eventually.
Both statements can be true. If you look at Stalingrad, both the Germans and Russians threw a huge amount of man power and the losses were staggering for both, and even though the Soviets lost far more manpower, they could afford it in the end and came out on top. That's why the more capable NATO hardware cannot come fast enough, NATO seems to want Ukraine to fight this war with one hand behind its back it isn't right.
seeing as Bakhmut is mostly wagner forces who have limited recruitment and no where near as many men as the russian army, plus have recently consciously chose to stop recruiting from prisons, its pretty obvious its the Ukies who are lying.
They've been putting out ridiculous statistics like 7 russians killed for every ukie. If that was true, wagner would have no men left at this point, and they certainly would not be able to have caputured anymore of Bakhmut like they have. Drain out the propoganda on both sides and look at what is happening in reality. Ukraine is losing.
Additionally, most kills in this was are from artillery, something the russians outfire the ukies on in a day by 4x as much
>most kills in this was are from artillery, something the russians outfire the ukies on in a day by 4x as much
You can fire more and not hit anything at all.
>it cant be true because they would have run out of men despite clearly being low on men >Ukraine is losing despite Bakhmut not moving for another month >Russia fires more artillery therefor they win
It’s funny how both sides are saying the whole point in fighting for bakhmut is because it’s mowing down the other side. We’ll find out who’s being truthful eventually.
probably Verdun-style shit where no one really wins but the attacker has somewhat higher casualties
At this point I don't think Russians are doing anything on purpose. Their entire military is a bumbling mass of conscriptovitch troops following corruptovitch officers who have a vague idea of where to go and no idea how to get there.
Ukrainians have had all the time in the world to prepare defense-in-depth positions and have artillery already mapped for every grid square. Will Russia still win? Maybe, but at great cost as always. Question is when will the Russian people decide that their son's lives are worth more than a few meters of territory?
>ukraine has everything at bahkmut >russia doesn't just attack anywhere else along the front where they're weak >instead keeps throwing all their manpower at the largest troop concentration
They are advancing at other places though, this is the last map and Russians made some gains in avdeevka yesterday, but the bulk of Ukrainian forces are at bakhmut and the Russians have to concentrate there, very risky situation since the ukros are taking big losses just to come in and out of the city through muddy roads under fire
Also note that the pic with an alleged failed human wave has been proven to be false. Ukrainians concentrating on Bakhmut has it's effects, one might say this is Ukraine's Kharkov moment but in reverse.
>since the ukros are taking big losses just to come in and out of the city through muddy roads under fire
Perhaps you have pictures of fields full of Ukrainian corpses to back this up? The Ukrainians seem to have a fair amount of visual evidence that they're inflicting heavy casualties.
The chances of an encirclement are high enough. Unless something else happens, the supply lines will be threaten enough, and either the last defenders will fall due to attrition, or the Russians will push for an encirclement.
Really, this is what is going to happen, unless the UA pulls of something.
NATO C3 is so good some guy walked away from his post to take a shit gets his own marker. Meanwhile the Russians have entire brigades that are only noted as being somewhere in the general vicinity and that's if it actually exists at the strength the MOD is paying it to be at.
You keep the pot open so that the lambs for slaughter keep flooding in which is the whole point of the pot as stated by the wagner boss. Why take your own pot away?
https://www.rt.com/russia/572860-us-ukraine-relations-cracking/
>realize the "we basically won" cope doesn't work because it's going on 6+ months of ALMOST taking bakhmut, and they can't have another complete PR failure like Mariupol (how many times did they take that city again)?
>shift the cope to "it was a trap all along!"
what will come next? I'm thinking a gesture of goodwill
>It's over for hohols >"This time for really real, we promise"
Also why are chinks like this? I swear between the Russian overly-verbose, try-hard-poetry bloviation and Chinese melodramatic, self-important pseudo-prose WWIII is going to be a fucking drag for kids to study.
Why do the Ruskies chatter so much about Bakhmut? They're having demonstrably more success in the North near Kamianka and yet the froth is all around totally-not-pinned Wagnerites in the AZOM complex.
People are dying for fucking nothing and this insufferable gay is making blowjob faces for clickbait on Youtube while cheerleading the aggressor. I hope he has a beautiful young daughter that dies of cancer.
Because these are shitty false-flag threads made by Russians who can do nothing apart from try to make pro-Ukraine people look bad. Your average pro-Ukrainian person isn't someone who is terminally online and possessing a bunch of retarded and radical views like pro-Russians are, they are just simply normal people who believe that all nations have a right to exist and that Russia is clearly in the wrong for the suffering its inflicting on Ukrainian people.
I really don't like these kinds of posts because its essentially smearing shit all over something because other people are enjoying it and you aren't. This board was so fucking kino in the first 6 months of the war, and awesome during the Kharkiv and Kherson counter offensive, however it really frustrates me that pro-Russian people are actually succeeding in the task of making the board so shit it becomes unusable, and people are forced to go to other war forums (and i never thought i'd say this) like Reddit who actually are capable of policing this shit.
However imo PrepHole is too blame for this partly as well. People posting bait threads before the war just got told to fuck off, however now any pro-Russian post gets 15 replies instantly. If PrepHole didn't feed the trolls this much then there wouldn't be this problem in the first place.
>If PrepHole didn't feed the trolls this much then there wouldn't be this problem in the first place.
This all day; if you're engaging some glavset fucker and attempting debate you're literally justifying his job while making the board shittier. Low effort mockery and derision sure, but keep it dismissive, stop feeding these cocksuckers.
I blame the newfags who don’t understand PrepHole options and the jannies who warn people for even so much as mentioning a particular option that all PrepHole users SHOULD understand.
>Your average pro-Ukrainian person isn't someone who is terminally online and possessing a bunch of retarded and radical views like pro-Russians are, they are just simply normal people who believe that all nations have a right to exist
Simply looking at the shit hohols post on here proves you wrong dipshit.
I will give you those stupid ass cringe NAFO dogs in twitter, but other than that it´s the cumchuggers posting e-bois and having "comfy" circlejerk threads that tell me otherwise.
>pro-ukraine
this guy is the opposite of pro-ukraine tho. He is like Jihad Julian. Claims to be, but champions the other side and claims he is being 'objective'.
The calculations are complete. Victory has been secured. The only thing left is to cleanse the land with fire and molten lead. Hohols this is your final warning.
yeah and Russia is no USSR and they aren't recieving massive amounts of material aid. the fact they are unable to take a smaller country on their border speaks volumes
It’s funny how both sides are saying the whole point in fighting for bakhmut is because it’s mowing down the other side. We’ll find out who’s being truthful eventually.
Both statements can be true. If you look at Stalingrad, both the Germans and Russians threw a huge amount of man power and the losses were staggering for both, and even though the Soviets lost far more manpower, they could afford it in the end and came out on top. That's why the more capable NATO hardware cannot come fast enough, NATO seems to want Ukraine to fight this war with one hand behind its back it isn't right.
seeing as Bakhmut is mostly wagner forces who have limited recruitment and no where near as many men as the russian army, plus have recently consciously chose to stop recruiting from prisons, its pretty obvious its the Ukies who are lying.
They've been putting out ridiculous statistics like 7 russians killed for every ukie. If that was true, wagner would have no men left at this point, and they certainly would not be able to have caputured anymore of Bakhmut like they have. Drain out the propoganda on both sides and look at what is happening in reality. Ukraine is losing.
Additionally, most kills in this was are from artillery, something the russians outfire the ukies on in a day by 4x as much
>most kills in this was are from artillery, something the russians outfire the ukies on in a day by 4x as much
You can fire more and not hit anything at all.
>it cant be true because they would have run out of men despite clearly being low on men
>Ukraine is losing despite Bakhmut not moving for another month
>Russia fires more artillery therefor they win
Nice PrepHoleope map, khokhol.
Nice PrepHoleope map cockhole
>only one Leibstandarte Adolf Hitler
>only four biomutant brigades
>special palletized divisions not pictured
hohol propaganda
not enough space marines
probably Verdun-style shit where no one really wins but the attacker has somewhat higher casualties
>slightly higher
yeah, like 7:1 russians are 'slightly' getting massacred into mince meat lmao
Nice PrepHoleope map, Piggies XD
Learn how NATO symbols work, dumbass moskal
>historylegends
At this point I don't think Russians are doing anything on purpose. Their entire military is a bumbling mass of conscriptovitch troops following corruptovitch officers who have a vague idea of where to go and no idea how to get there.
Ukrainians have had all the time in the world to prepare defense-in-depth positions and have artillery already mapped for every grid square. Will Russia still win? Maybe, but at great cost as always. Question is when will the Russian people decide that their son's lives are worth more than a few meters of territory?
Test
>ukraine has everything at bahkmut
>russia doesn't just attack anywhere else along the front where they're weak
>instead keeps throwing all their manpower at the largest troop concentration
explain
Vatniks don’t understand NATO symbology and assume more rectangles automatically means more troops
Ukrainian troops are artillery fodder, especially when they’re bunched up like that
Russia has fewer troops but like 4x more arty firepower
They are advancing at other places though, this is the last map and Russians made some gains in avdeevka yesterday, but the bulk of Ukrainian forces are at bakhmut and the Russians have to concentrate there, very risky situation since the ukros are taking big losses just to come in and out of the city through muddy roads under fire
Also note that the pic with an alleged failed human wave has been proven to be false. Ukrainians concentrating on Bakhmut has it's effects, one might say this is Ukraine's Kharkov moment but in reverse.
https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/1634954899808215041.html
Thanks for that site thread.
Thanks for Correcting The Record™, Sir.
>since the ukros are taking big losses just to come in and out of the city through muddy roads under fire
Perhaps you have pictures of fields full of Ukrainian corpses to back this up? The Ukrainians seem to have a fair amount of visual evidence that they're inflicting heavy casualties.
The chances of an encirclement are high enough. Unless something else happens, the supply lines will be threaten enough, and either the last defenders will fall due to attrition, or the Russians will push for an encirclement.
Really, this is what is going to happen, unless the UA pulls of something.
NATO C3 is so good some guy walked away from his post to take a shit gets his own marker. Meanwhile the Russians have entire brigades that are only noted as being somewhere in the general vicinity and that's if it actually exists at the strength the MOD is paying it to be at.
You keep the pot open so that the lambs for slaughter keep flooding in which is the whole point of the pot as stated by the wagner boss. Why take your own pot away?
https://www.rt.com/russia/572860-us-ukraine-relations-cracking/
US, British relations strained, Lend Lease likely to end, reports Völkischer Beobachter
Look how they all gathered inside. Lambs for slaughter.
lmao. that is assuming Russians aren't sending waves of meat. that is assuming this will cease happening any time soon
His face has become more optimistic more smiley. Not going well for piggies and other useful goys.
>even the concept of cope is foreign to the russian, so used to vanryo they are
After advancing so many Miles in the North and south of bakhmut is totally normal to stop and reinforce the defence lines and logistic.
Why would they be crippled? The town has zero strategic importance.
>realize the "we basically won" cope doesn't work because it's going on 6+ months of ALMOST taking bakhmut, and they can't have another complete PR failure like Mariupol (how many times did they take that city again)?
>shift the cope to "it was a trap all along!"
what will come next? I'm thinking a gesture of goodwill
>2 more months
Will they make it?
>PR failure like Mariupol (how many times did they take that city again)?
Some say it is still falling, every single day.
The secret army is being prepared, just like Prigozin said.
57467646
Didn't read lol
I'm not suprised the ignorance of the western states also manifests itself on the individual level of its subjects.
>It's over for hohols
>"This time for really real, we promise"
Also why are chinks like this? I swear between the Russian overly-verbose, try-hard-poetry bloviation and Chinese melodramatic, self-important pseudo-prose WWIII is going to be a fucking drag for kids to study.
Enjoy the peace dividend while you still can, summer child.
>peace dividend
Shit's overrated, I wanna see dead chinks already.
>WWIII is going to be a fucking drag for kids to study
Doubt it, being that history is written by the victors and all, we need never read a word of Russian or Chinese drivel.
Why do the Ruskies chatter so much about Bakhmut? They're having demonstrably more success in the North near Kamianka and yet the froth is all around totally-not-pinned Wagnerites in the AZOM complex.
>Only 16 000 KIA russian soldiers
What did he mean by this?
>Wagner
>800 KIA
I have seen more Wagner bodies on Telegram.
>"daily russian fatalities"
>16,000
did someone proofread his slides before he clicked upload?
People are dying for fucking nothing and this insufferable gay is making blowjob faces for clickbait on Youtube while cheerleading the aggressor. I hope he has a beautiful young daughter that dies of cancer.
Are you angry?
To respond to your question, yes I was. I'm having a bad day.
Sorry to hear that, man. Not everyday is a good one. Hope it gets better.
Why are pro-ukraine threads a bunch of YouTube/tik tok/ Twitter bullshit?
Because these are shitty false-flag threads made by Russians who can do nothing apart from try to make pro-Ukraine people look bad. Your average pro-Ukrainian person isn't someone who is terminally online and possessing a bunch of retarded and radical views like pro-Russians are, they are just simply normal people who believe that all nations have a right to exist and that Russia is clearly in the wrong for the suffering its inflicting on Ukrainian people.
I really don't like these kinds of posts because its essentially smearing shit all over something because other people are enjoying it and you aren't. This board was so fucking kino in the first 6 months of the war, and awesome during the Kharkiv and Kherson counter offensive, however it really frustrates me that pro-Russian people are actually succeeding in the task of making the board so shit it becomes unusable, and people are forced to go to other war forums (and i never thought i'd say this) like Reddit who actually are capable of policing this shit.
However imo PrepHole is too blame for this partly as well. People posting bait threads before the war just got told to fuck off, however now any pro-Russian post gets 15 replies instantly. If PrepHole didn't feed the trolls this much then there wouldn't be this problem in the first place.
>If PrepHole didn't feed the trolls this much then there wouldn't be this problem in the first place.
This all day; if you're engaging some glavset fucker and attempting debate you're literally justifying his job while making the board shittier. Low effort mockery and derision sure, but keep it dismissive, stop feeding these cocksuckers.
I blame the newfags who don’t understand PrepHole options and the jannies who warn people for even so much as mentioning a particular option that all PrepHole users SHOULD understand.
>Your average pro-Ukrainian person isn't someone who is terminally online and possessing a bunch of retarded and radical views like pro-Russians are, they are just simply normal people who believe that all nations have a right to exist
Simply looking at the shit hohols post on here proves you wrong dipshit.
I will give you those stupid ass cringe NAFO dogs in twitter, but other than that it´s the cumchuggers posting e-bois and having "comfy" circlejerk threads that tell me otherwise.
>pro-ukraine
this guy is the opposite of pro-ukraine tho. He is like Jihad Julian. Claims to be, but champions the other side and claims he is being 'objective'.
>why <strawman>?
Twitter isn't real life.little guy
Why would the recipient of NATO advice fail to heed it?
Dying for your homeland is NPC behavior.
have a nice day pussy.
posting this image because i have it on my phone and i need to transfer it to my PC.
So i'm using PrepHole as an image transferring service.
But image fits the topic.
yeah
Did they forget you're supposed to link up both sides when you're trying to encircle something?
Yes the gloves are still on
HoWmAnYgLoVeS
Two more weeks worth
not again
>GLOVE STATUS: IN TRANSIT
The calculations are complete. Victory has been secured. The only thing left is to cleanse the land with fire and molten lead. Hohols this is your final warning.
yeah and Russia is no USSR and they aren't recieving massive amounts of material aid. the fact they are unable to take a smaller country on their border speaks volumes