>be me >Russian Air Force Pilot >Fly high over Ukraine >gets raped by s-400 and s-300 >Fly low over Ukraine >Gets raped by Gepard and Manpads
Russian airfoce might aswell commit last ditch kamikaze attack so they can at least achieve something
>Be Caesar >Writing war accounts >"Ah yes, there I was in the thick of it, the battle was quick and fierce, but out of my hazy memory I can definitively recall JVHN SMYTH SON OF BENEFACTOR decapitating six barbarians at once! Hell of a man, that one, he is absolutely 100% Prime Roman and everyone should hear how cool he is. His father must be excellent quality as well."
>Americans: Take eyes watering aviation losses in Vietnam and spend the next fifty years perfecting how do wreck IADS >Russia: Take eye watering aviation losses in Afghanistan to randos with Manpads, learn nothing, just hope it doesn't happen again.
>Flug - Flight >Abwehr - Defence
Flugabwer = Air defence
>Kanonen - Cannons
Flugabwehrkanonen = Air defence cannons
There is nothing intimidating about the word when you know about the individual components. It's a logical extension and you can follow it as long as you want into absurd territories that no sane person would ever use.
>Flug >Abwehr >Kanonen >Panzer
Flugabwehrkanonenpanzer
It's just words Anon, the only difference to English is that you can stack them as long as you want instead of having to break them up.
We do the same in Norwegian, and there actually is a difference. If there's a space between the nouns, there's also a slight pause, and the tone and rhythm of the words change slightly.
A somewhat common grammatical error in Norway is to not combine nouns (called orddelingsfeil, which ironically is a combination of three words), and a common joke when people make this mistake is to say it like it's written, with a pause between the words and slightly different intonation.
Reminds me of the running joke from the 1970s comedy "Barney Miller", about a cop with some unspellable-to-Americans Polish name. People would ask him how to spell it, and he'd reply, "Wojciehowicz, you spell it just like it sounds!"
Thing is, Polish is spelled exactly as it is sounded out -- if you know how to speak Polish. So the joke line makes perfect sense to a Pole in all seriousness, but Americans just stare in bewilderment since it sounds like "Wojohowitz" to us.
Well, there are languages that are phonetically very similar to how things are spelled. Norwegian is like that with a few exception, as is Japanese. Intonation varies a bit, but it generally reads like it's spelled.
I can't speak for Polish, given that I don't speak the language.
English is certainly not like that, and you just have to memorize all the word, because the phonetics don't line up with the way it's written.
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Anonymous
Polish is like that, plus it also has constant stress (always on the penultimate syllable). Other Slavs say it makes us sound like robots.
2 years ago
Anonymous
That's because English simply steals words from other languages, particularly the ones that *don't* use phonetic spelling, plus half the languages also pronounce letters differently. On a more positive note, however, that's also what makes English useful as a lingua franca, beyond just the RN and USN dominating the seas for 200+ years: it's nigh-infinitely adaptable and anyone, anywhere can potentially contribute a new word to it.
2 years ago
Anonymous
yeah, english is a naturally evolved esperanto: clunky, but easy to learn.
The french should not be butthurt about it given the huge amount of their words there.
2 years ago
Anonymous
Many languages are adaptable and borrow heavily from other languages, with Latin having had a massive influence on all western European languages, as far as I'm aware.
As for English being a useful lingua franca, I don't think the language itself matters at all. It's simply a result of English and American influence, particularly after WW2.
I'm Norwegian, and before the war, I believe German was the most commonly spoken second language here. If not, it at least rivaled English.
English used to be like that too... because it had extra letters, just like how Germany has ä, ö, ü and ß.
But at some point it decided to get rid of those extra letters (such as Þ, which is the sound "th" does in English or Æ which would have been the A for apple) and just hammered other letters with a different but similar sound into it's place.
It's more that letters and combinations of letter can sound very differently based on what word it's used in, like "though" and "tough", or that they simply make no phonetic sense in relation to the letters used, like "cake" being pronounced "keik".
English also has strange vowels. Even when you say the vowels in the alphabet, they're not a single sound, but consist of multiple vowels.
A is ei
I is ai.
Y is wai.
In languages where the phonetics match the alphabet, it's a single sound. Japanese is a very good example, so if you look up their five vowel sounds, you'll hear it's a single sound, and it's the same sound when it's used in a word.
2 years ago
Anonymous
English used to be like that too... because it had extra letters, just like how Germany has ä, ö, ü and ß.
But at some point it decided to get rid of those extra letters (such as Þ, which is the sound "th" does in English or Æ which would have been the A for apple) and just hammered other letters with a different but similar sound into it's place.
>Really fricking like the Gepard, probably one of the most sexy looking vehicles >Finally get my wish and god lets it see some action against the russians in a full on war >But now all of them are either sold to other countries or given to Ukraine, which means that there is basically a 0% chance that it will reenter service here
And the monkey's paw curled. Skyranger 30 just isn't the same.
I love the Gepard too but there is simply no space for a cold war SPAAG on the modern battlefield. C-RAM can do near-field protection just as well, more efficient and can even shoot down mortar rounds, artillery and missiles. For everything else you have MANPAD's and ultra-short range Anti Air missiles. It's just so much better on the logistics and upkeep compared to a Gepard. Fricking stick the tube in or slide a missile in the launch platform -> done. No painting graphite on the shells, no fricking reloading the belts, nothing.
>break Germany in half and gut their military again for 80 years >why aren't you helping with military matters
The industry is gone and the tactical acumen everyone jerks Germany off over is still somewhere around Danzig
It most certainly has cultural roots in allied postwar reeducation and the cult of german guilt. Especially the total abandonment of strategic thought in german politics. Geostrategy, that's what nazis did and therefore evil. Germany must act friendly to everyone and treat them as a nonthreat and give money if they want. That we have to be unfriendly to the one to be friendly to the other simply did not compute for the german public or the political class.
>They look pretty cool in a brutalist battletech kinda way.
If only we didnt repurpose all of our Marksman turrets to our Leopards, and instead sent them as military aid since they were on Polish T-55 hulls.
The fricking boner i would have.
How the hell are Gepards useful in this day and age. Aren't missiles more or less a requirement to take out jets?
Do they have some kind of auto tracking feature for low flying aircraft?
Yep, it calculates the speed and direction and adjusts. Not really needed that much with AHEAD ammo, but with the old Gepard ammos (FAP, I think) you need to actually hit the target directly.
You're both right and wrong.
The Gepard has a radar with a very good tracking feature for the guns and 35mm proximity fused rounds. However, the range is limited. You know why all the gun based defense systems of the Cold war vanished outside of Russia? Because missiles have much longer range.
Hey that's what the Bundeswehr thought when they got rid of it.
The things is >long range air defense to force jets to fly low >Gepard to take out low flying jets
They also absolutely shred slow flying drones.
>Western equipment untested in real war gets sent to ukraine >Promptly kicks russian ass like it was designed to do >Russian equipment untested in real war gets sent to ukraine >Totally underperforms, doesn't work at all, gets destroyed by ukrainians
I'm detecting a pattern here.
BAVARIANS, I KNEEL
This man is your friend. He fights for beer, pretzels, and to spill russian blood.
Yes
Bavarians aren't Germans.
>be me
>Russian Air Force Pilot
>Fly high over Ukraine
>gets raped by s-400 and s-300
>Fly low over Ukraine
>Gets raped by Gepard and Manpads
Russian airfoce might aswell commit last ditch kamikaze attack so they can at least achieve something
Yeah they should kamikaze straight into the Kremlin.
dakkadakkadakka
would this waffen really outpreform something like the osa?
It´s far better suited to supporting some sort of armored push
>has threads and can go exactely where the tanks go
>doesn´t have a 5 minute set up time
No, it's more Shilka, Tunguska analog.
>Be Caesar
>Writing war accounts
>"Ah yes, there I was in the thick of it, the battle was quick and fierce, but out of my hazy memory I can definitively recall JVHN SMYTH SON OF BENEFACTOR decapitating six barbarians at once! Hell of a man, that one, he is absolutely 100% Prime Roman and everyone should hear how cool he is. His father must be excellent quality as well."
Underrated
It's not like they are even trying to sell the Gepard. The thing has long been phased out.
Okay Kraut, chill out, it works. German army still wont procooor tho
German army has no need, NATO air forces dunk on russia by default.
Based! Seeing my cute Gepard still going strong long after being replaced. I wish we could give Roland some playtime too.
VGH IM SORRY DEVTSCHLAND
>Americans: Take eyes watering aviation losses in Vietnam and spend the next fifty years perfecting how do wreck IADS
>Russia: Take eye watering aviation losses in Afghanistan to randos with Manpads, learn nothing, just hope it doesn't happen again.
Pottery
Fricking crazy isn't it?
> FlugabwehrkanonenpanzerGepard
Jesus Christ I stopped reading halfway through...
German is a language for people with decent sized working memories.
German's the language you yell at your horse in, you Hun
You can't kill her she died peacefully in her lizard bed.
Whoever made this is a homosexual thirdie.
Nobody tell this moron where the British royal house is from
>Flug - Flight
>Abwehr - Defence
Flugabwer = Air defence
>Kanonen - Cannons
Flugabwehrkanonen = Air defence cannons
There is nothing intimidating about the word when you know about the individual components. It's a logical extension and you can follow it as long as you want into absurd territories that no sane person would ever use.
>Flug
>Abwehr
>Kanonen
>Panzer
Flugabwehrkanonenpanzer
It's just words Anon, the only difference to English is that you can stack them as long as you want instead of having to break them up.
It actually isn't though, spaces only exist in writing not in real life.
"Airdefencecannon" vs "air defence cannon". It's pronounced the exact same way and speed.
We do the same in Norwegian, and there actually is a difference. If there's a space between the nouns, there's also a slight pause, and the tone and rhythm of the words change slightly.
A somewhat common grammatical error in Norway is to not combine nouns (called orddelingsfeil, which ironically is a combination of three words), and a common joke when people make this mistake is to say it like it's written, with a pause between the words and slightly different intonation.
Reminds me of the running joke from the 1970s comedy "Barney Miller", about a cop with some unspellable-to-Americans Polish name. People would ask him how to spell it, and he'd reply, "Wojciehowicz, you spell it just like it sounds!"
Thing is, Polish is spelled exactly as it is sounded out -- if you know how to speak Polish. So the joke line makes perfect sense to a Pole in all seriousness, but Americans just stare in bewilderment since it sounds like "Wojohowitz" to us.
Well, there are languages that are phonetically very similar to how things are spelled. Norwegian is like that with a few exception, as is Japanese. Intonation varies a bit, but it generally reads like it's spelled.
I can't speak for Polish, given that I don't speak the language.
English is certainly not like that, and you just have to memorize all the word, because the phonetics don't line up with the way it's written.
Polish is like that, plus it also has constant stress (always on the penultimate syllable). Other Slavs say it makes us sound like robots.
That's because English simply steals words from other languages, particularly the ones that *don't* use phonetic spelling, plus half the languages also pronounce letters differently. On a more positive note, however, that's also what makes English useful as a lingua franca, beyond just the RN and USN dominating the seas for 200+ years: it's nigh-infinitely adaptable and anyone, anywhere can potentially contribute a new word to it.
yeah, english is a naturally evolved esperanto: clunky, but easy to learn.
The french should not be butthurt about it given the huge amount of their words there.
Many languages are adaptable and borrow heavily from other languages, with Latin having had a massive influence on all western European languages, as far as I'm aware.
As for English being a useful lingua franca, I don't think the language itself matters at all. It's simply a result of English and American influence, particularly after WW2.
I'm Norwegian, and before the war, I believe German was the most commonly spoken second language here. If not, it at least rivaled English.
It's more that letters and combinations of letter can sound very differently based on what word it's used in, like "though" and "tough", or that they simply make no phonetic sense in relation to the letters used, like "cake" being pronounced "keik".
English also has strange vowels. Even when you say the vowels in the alphabet, they're not a single sound, but consist of multiple vowels.
A is ei
I is ai.
Y is wai.
In languages where the phonetics match the alphabet, it's a single sound. Japanese is a very good example, so if you look up their five vowel sounds, you'll hear it's a single sound, and it's the same sound when it's used in a word.
English used to be like that too... because it had extra letters, just like how Germany has ä, ö, ü and ß.
But at some point it decided to get rid of those extra letters (such as Þ, which is the sound "th" does in English or Æ which would have been the A for apple) and just hammered other letters with a different but similar sound into it's place.
I don't understand why we need to abbreviate Panzerkampfwagen as Panzer. Panzerkampfwagen was far more comprehensible.
FYI in german air defence cannon is shortened to flak and the gepard is usually called flakpanzer.
I need video. I need to hear those 35mm singing. I need to see the shattered remains of a Russian airframe burning as it slams into the ground.
I'M SORRY, I KNEEL KRAUTBROS
I'M SORRY GERMANY I'M SORRY I DIDN'T MEAN TO SAY THOSE THINGS
>Really fricking like the Gepard, probably one of the most sexy looking vehicles
>Finally get my wish and god lets it see some action against the russians in a full on war
>But now all of them are either sold to other countries or given to Ukraine, which means that there is basically a 0% chance that it will reenter service here
And the monkey's paw curled. Skyranger 30 just isn't the same.
I love the Gepard too but there is simply no space for a cold war SPAAG on the modern battlefield. C-RAM can do near-field protection just as well, more efficient and can even shoot down mortar rounds, artillery and missiles. For everything else you have MANPAD's and ultra-short range Anti Air missiles. It's just so much better on the logistics and upkeep compared to a Gepard. Fricking stick the tube in or slide a missile in the launch platform -> done. No painting graphite on the shells, no fricking reloading the belts, nothing.
I'm sorry Germanbros.
>20 old Gepards scared off the entire Russian Air Force
The Russian fear the Kraut high tech 1970s technology.
When is Germany starting to finally help Ukraine instead of stalling?
check the US list, its 10x value of that, and every 2 weeks
>Waah germany doesn't help
>...
>Waah germany doesn't help as much as americans
You people would be accusing germany no matter what it actually does.
>break Germany in half and gut their military again for 80 years
>why aren't you helping with military matters
The industry is gone and the tactical acumen everyone jerks Germany off over is still somewhere around Danzig
East and West Germany were the most militarized countries on the planet 30 years ago. This is a modern cuckening by the Kraut's own making
It most certainly has cultural roots in allied postwar reeducation and the cult of german guilt. Especially the total abandonment of strategic thought in german politics. Geostrategy, that's what nazis did and therefore evil. Germany must act friendly to everyone and treat them as a nonthreat and give money if they want. That we have to be unfriendly to the one to be friendly to the other simply did not compute for the german public or the political class.
They look pretty cool in a brutalist battletech kinda way. The skyranger looks too clean in comparison.
>i_heard_you_were_talking_shit_over_there.png
The thing really looks brutal.
Well, who doesn't like German military autism, particularly when you double the fun.
I want to see a Gepard light up a vatnik convoy in 4K 60fps. God please hear my pleas.
>They look pretty cool in a brutalist battletech kinda way.
If only we didnt repurpose all of our Marksman turrets to our Leopards, and instead sent them as military aid since they were on Polish T-55 hulls.
The fricking boner i would have.
How the hell are Gepards useful in this day and age. Aren't missiles more or less a requirement to take out jets?
Do they have some kind of auto tracking feature for low flying aircraft?
>Do they have some kind of auto tracking feature for low flying aircraft?
Yeah, it uses a radar.
So the cannon tracks the target automatically and is also able to lead it accurately?
Yep, it calculates the speed and direction and adjusts. Not really needed that much with AHEAD ammo, but with the old Gepard ammos (FAP, I think) you need to actually hit the target directly.
You're both right and wrong.
The Gepard has a radar with a very good tracking feature for the guns and 35mm proximity fused rounds. However, the range is limited. You know why all the gun based defense systems of the Cold war vanished outside of Russia? Because missiles have much longer range.
Gerpards are death on choppers, period. If a target is in range, it's getting hit no questions asked.
Hey that's what the Bundeswehr thought when they got rid of it.
The things is
>long range air defense to force jets to fly low
>Gepard to take out low flying jets
They also absolutely shred slow flying drones.
Would've been fun to see what Hostomel would have looked like if they had some of those when the invasion started.
praised be rob
so technically german panzers rolling towards kharkiv again?
Literally:
https://twitter.com/TpyxaNews/status/1567574689555402753
https://twitter.com/doge_techno5/status/1568205540693524480
https://twitter.com/ZMiST_Ua/status/1567945237263155200
Im in tears, its beautiful
in time the Dutch shall have their revenge
We'll accept a thank you from the Ukrainians in the shape of a video of them lining up a bunch of Russians and crushing their legs under a YPR-765.
>2 PzH 2000
>1 Humvee
Soul. What's the first vehicles though?
MT-LBu
and they say Ukrainian are ungrateful
They went out of their way to credit German aid
Thanks for the weapons, krautbros. I was kinda unfair to you in the beginning, and I was wrong.
I wish we had some footage.
>But muh NAMMO
I know the current ammo isn't from Orleikon, but NAMMO should have a similar selection.
Perhaps Romania donated some ammo, they still have active Gepards
Hey Sweden, you gonna get off your ASS and join the party?
Send Gripens to Ukraine! You're late to the fun!
>Western equipment untested in real war gets sent to ukraine
>Promptly kicks russian ass like it was designed to do
>Russian equipment untested in real war gets sent to ukraine
>Totally underperforms, doesn't work at all, gets destroyed by ukrainians
I'm detecting a pattern here.
Except the Ukrainians are mostly using Soviet equipment too.
Ukrainians were using Soviet equipment too though, in fact most of their tanks and IFV's are Soviet
>the pell-mell
The what?