According to USA trials 155mm DPICM is seven times more effective at killing people than unitary shells. Soon blowing up vatniks at 4k HD near you
According to USA trials 155mm DPICM is seven times more effective at killing people than unitary shells.
TOTAL
ZIGGER
DEATH
Oh look even more Bradley's then ukies lost while russia has to pull out t-55/54 out of storage I fricking hope there a btr50 coming soon
I love living in the GHPC timeline
in the previous package they also got another 15 replacement bradleys
so its actually 47 Bradleys
The last digit of your reply to this post is the response of the worthless /misc/gay.
If your post ends in:
1 - "This information is wrong and Ukraine is actually losing vehicles faster"
2 - "Russia has more / is building more tanks than is being destroyed so this information is bullshit."
3 - "Tanks destroyed are being counted multiple times"
4 - "something something israelite Black person troony plebbit something something rent free"
5 - "These are normal figures and Ukraine is still losing"
6 - "ohh look biden we're winning please send another 500 billion in aid so we can bomb more Donbas children."
7 - "butwhatabout Americans in Afghanistan/Iraq?"
8 - "China will just give Russia more gear to replace losses."
9 - "tanks are obsolete in warfare anyway "
0 - (basedwojak post with no text)
Also, every reply to this post is 4500 dead vatBlack folk
Replying for dead vatBlack folk.
I hope to see Russians mobilize MS-1 Tanks soon.
You forgot to mention troonys
he actually didn't, see 4
Rolling for dead ziggers
Thats a parody website, right?
rolling for starving chinks
>no ATACMS
Ameribros... Please...
ATACMS and F-16 are locked until next year.
f-16 is actually supposed to arrive late september from what I have read
Yeah, I wasn't sure about F-16, but as far as I know ATACMS is planned for the next year. But it would be ok to give them traits ASAP.
is it really pronounced attack em's
Do I understand correctly that a regular 155mm shell does a single good blast but covers a small area, meanwhile cluster 155mm shell sprinkle a few dozen small bombs which cover big area?
It makes more meat for the cube.
Does the kube grows or does he multiply ?
Yes. Point target -> HE; Area target -> DPCIM.
Then all the M270 derivatives will really come in handy. Also, for M26 family rockets, base M270s would work, which opens up huge stocks of stored launchers all over NATO.
yes. If you need to take out a command hq or an ammo bunker then a salvo of unitary is your choice. if you need to delete a few km of trenches or a 20km long supply convoy then you reach for the dpicm.
ngl the US is fricking drip feeding these packages for too long. just send more shit without admitting it, not like the pentagon didn't have the money from the accounting error to do it
The Biden admin has an escalation-management strategy that feels very frustrating to people who aren’t boomers indoctrinated to believe the zigs are peers
Another Christmas in July.
The real giveaway is in the vagueness of the "additional ammunition for HIMARS." It's M26A1.
Why didn’t they just provide these at the beginning? I’m really wondering if Biden is actually just led around by career bureaucrats.
>Biden is actually just led around by career bureaucrats.
of course he is. how else is he gonna find the toilet in time?
Because a slow, safe, controlled escalation has kept NATO unified through this whole shitshow.
Because waiting for consensus keeps the public from balking at yet another expensive military intervention.
Because boots on the ground, a No-Fly zone, or high-level weaponry is possible militarily, don't make it possible politically. They've been very good at toeing the line and letting the ziggers break conduct first.
His own party's pissed at him for giving cluster munitions. Give the man credit here.
Sleepy Joe may be sleepy, but he still kills commies in his dreams.
Yeah yeah, very graceful and politically adroit. But when are they gonna fricking step it up already so the Ukrainians won't have to fight with their fricking arms tied behind their back?
1:
there is an election in a year and he doesn't want to look like an idiot throwing money across the atlantic ocean
2: america is paranoid about giving away too much stuff
3: cluster munitions and shit like that are unpopular because they kill civilians
Brinkmanship 101. UA is given more tools of war after Russia crosses another red line.
>election (US) / scandal (UK) causes a change in political climate that necessitates speeding things up
>Belarus attacks (Lukashenko is convinced/forced)
>Zelensky/UA government is successfully assassinated
>attacking NATO supply hubs, territories, or convoys
>commandeering/sinking civilian cargo ships in the black sea
>firing on NATO aircraft/drones
>"accidentally" shooting down another civilian airliner
>attacking any future breakaway province
>attacking the dam upriver of Kiev, potentially killing hundreds of thousands of people
>China beings supplying lethal aid
>causing a continent-scale disaster at the ZNPP
>using nukes
You would think shelling out entire cities, abducting and raping civilians en mass, and using thermobaric weapons would be enough, but war is war.
>Because waiting for consensus keeps the public from balking at yet another expensive military intervention.
This is key. The 20% of us who want to go all-in are the 20% who are paying attention. 20% are actively contrarian buttholes or being purposefully agitated by homosexuals like pic rel. The remaining 30-50% need things to become super obvious because they're too busy scheduling brunches or going to pickleball. This is how it has to work. Even if it costs excess lives, in the long run it works out.
Well yeah, they dangle an 8 year old from a pole like a carrot.
>M26A1
518 of these little frickers.
Mine clearing stuff is most important…but even if they had the entire anti-mine inventory of the US they won’t be successful. Assaulting vs prepared defenses with mines is the most difficult thing a military does. For it to succeed you need close collaboration between army and air force and commanders at every level working together, able to react correctly and quickly, lots of rehearsals, etc. First thing you have to do is SEAD. Then bomb everything in sight, but especially arty. After enemy air and fire support is suppressed you can begin the assault. Enemy positions must be continuously smoked and suppressed to minimize their ability to target assaulting forces. Your arty must be ready to respond to any threats. Mine clearing itself is its own dance and your guys MUST be good at it.
Ukraine can’t do most of the above. Just having more mine-clearing equipment isn’t enough.
And armored vehicles.
Beautiful
>we still yet to see a single Stryker in action despite providing literally hundreds of them
Wtf bros?
I'm more annoyed they're not handing over any of the weapon variants.
they're just not using them yet, unlike what russians would have you believe, current russian attacks have absolutely been probing attacks and not full offensives, because they only used a small part of 2-3 different brigades so far, they have more of them and these brigades themselves have not been fully employed yet to begin with.
Are the guns SPGs or m777? If they are SPGs then that's huge because that means the ammo situation is sorted out
Italy just provided 25 SPGs
I think this war should have made the powers that be sit up over one thing - mines. I know in a theoretical war involving USA there would likely be air superiority and therefore clearing mines should be easier... but the fact both Russia and Ukraine have had their advances stopped by mine fields should be making nations go
>We should be investing in mine clearing vehicles
This kind of vehicle or system doesn't seem to be on any lists and it seems like one of the most important or needed systems for Ukraine. I don't even know if the West has any in numbers required. Ukraine lost the three dedicated mine clearing vehicles Finland donated in a single attack. So this seems to be a major problem.
>this seems to be a major problem
Because they don't have air or artillery superiority, which means their mine-clearing teams are tied down, lubed up, and ripe for getting assfricked by the defenders. The US didn't have any problems with the Iraqi defenses in GW1, and they were roughly as elaborate and dense as the current Russian defenses, the Iraqi's had recently come through a trench warfare slogfest with Iran; trench warfare and static defenses were their specialty by that point. Didn't help. US breezed through in a few hours.
>United States Army forces buried alive scores of Iraqi soldiers in their trenches in the early hours of the allied ground attack that ended the Persian Gulf war, Army commanders said this week.
>The deaths took place during the operation in which American M1-A1 tanks of the First Infantry Division cut lanes through a 10-mile-wide stretch of barbed wire, minefields, bunkers and trenches north of the Iraqi-Saudi Arabian border on Feb. 24 as the allied ground offensive unfolded.
>Army officials said the Iraqi soldiers who died remained in their trenches as plow-equipped tanks dumped tons of earth and sand onto them, filling the trenches to insure that they could not be used as cover from which to fire on allied units that were poised to pour through the gaps. Avoiding Hand-to-Hand Combat
>The Army said it knew the operation would kill Iraqis who did not surrender or otherwise get out of the way, but said the tactic spared the lives of American soldiers who would have had to leave the safety of their armored vehicles and fight Iraqi troops hand to hand in the trenches.
>"People somehow have the notion that burying guys alive is nastier than blowing them up with hand grenades or sticking them in gut with bayonets," said Col. Lon Maggart. "Well it's not."
My BiL was a Captain in one of the engineering units that did it.
Is the penguin the old ass antiship missile? Weird wording if so. But I can't think of any other US systems called penguin
https://edgeautonomy.io/solutions/penguin-c-2-5-vtol/
Why no sensor fuzed weapon instead? Kills the vatnik tanks/trucks/scooby doo vans faster.
>schitzo post
100% mad
>WUNDERWAFFLE
Why do ziggers call 40 year old DPICM wunderwaffe?
I mean it's sexy and designed for total zigger death, don't get me wrong, but it's hardly wondrous. Or is the fact that it's going to make vatnik soup out of your brothers the real problem here?
People call it that to make fun of you, anon.
a new 40 year old artillery shell is the latest thing for the Ukraine shills to hang their hopes and dreams on
>People call it that to make fun of you, anon.
Quote them
Post links if you have to. At least 3, should be easy if you're seething this much. Or do you just like to strawman and schizoid post without seeing anything?
I have yet to hear anything beyond "moderately more effective than HE for killing ziggers in open fields, their shitty meat-wave counter attacks are about to get shittier". Unironic "IT'S OVER" though, not so.
Go on, post them.
to create the narative that ukraine is losing by comparing these weapons to the v1&v2 that barely had no impact on the outcome of the 2nd world war.ziggers are are afraid of 40 year old NATO weapons
this is thread is kinda of old but I wonder if DPICM dud rate has improved since the gulf war.
Probably not. IIRC there's a conventional mechanical fuze from Israel invented since then which reduced duds significantly but it still didn't reach <1%.
yes, they now have redundant fuses which dropped the dud rate down to around 0.8%.